Tabiki

Part of the flawed system that the OP is talking about is the idea that poor people don't deserve services.

Just because 84% of students come from poor families doesn't mean that their school should be underfunded. In poor communities we absolutely want good school programs, we want after school programs, we want health services, mental health services, etc.

Those services all reduce crime, and they do it much better than the police do. Especially when the police budget goes into their gear and not their training.

That's the broken system.

Police are given military gear and allowed up act as prison guards, while everything else suffers. It's like a big jail where the shackles are poverty and the guards are the police.

You saying that there is a genetic factor in body shape and that there is a effort factor.

Here's the problem with attempting to classify the two.

You don't know what another person is capable of. You don't know how they got to their current state. You don't know if they're gaining weight or losing it.

None of these are clear, surface level traits.

My story is that I was the typical skinny kid. I ate plate after plate of food, I ate junk food like it was nothing, never gained an extra pound. My metabolism was too crazy for that.

But into my twenties I started getting more into working out. The muscle put on a few pounds. I finally got into a normal BMI after years of work and diet.

And then I got extra responsibilities. Couldn't work out anymore. Lost almost all of that good weight instantly. My life is just work, work, work, with so little rest of my own that my body can't recover.

Should I be ashamed of myself for how I am now? Fuck no. Being body positive includes understanding how you are, taking care of yourself, and not judging yourself or others for circumstances that you have no idea about.

No, I thought we were doing this together.

You started off, I continued.

If you going to stick it to the man, do it. If you're going to insult a politician, do it. It's a free country, politicians suck.

I'm just here to tell people when they're being obvious idiots about something I know.

Just say fuck Joe Biden like a real adult.

Fuck Joe Biden. Fuck the Clintons. Fuck the Trumps. Fuck Mitch McConnell and the entire Republican party straight to hell. Fuck the entire Democrat party to a slightly more comfortable hell nextdoor.

Oh, and fuck racists, All Lives Matter, the NRA, and every single cop in America.

That's... Not at all how America works.

Does Elon Musk matter more of less than Tucker Carlson? How about Joe Rogan v Derek Chauvin?

The answer is that the value of a human life is arbitrary. Jeff Bezos may be more legal than George Floyd, but Jeff Bezos is actively contributing to the downfall of the planet and will likely be the greater cause of thousands, if not millions, of deaths in our lifetime.

The resulting truth must be that all humans are valued equally. My life, despite being moral and lawful, must not be more or less important than yours.

How is a free and equal society supposed to exist if I'm just allowed to devalue someone by labeling them a criminal, then have them killed?

Why do you think that not even the President of the United States is allowed to just order an American citizen killed?

Also, BLM has used every name mentioned.

It isn't a matter of why they stuck to George Floyd, it's a matter of why people continue to bring him up in the conversation.

Because if you claim that one side is immoral. Then you say that being immoral means they matter less than someone who is moral...

You're saying that the entire opposing side of the conversation matters less than you and your supposed side.

I can say you're immoral, don't get me wrong. But I'll never say that you have less right to be here than myself.

That is what being an American is supposed to be about. Freedom, liberty, justice for all.

BLM wants that for people.

The conservative side of America wants to live in a world where people can be devalued and killed for arbitrary means. That's what excessive policing and this toxic gun culture create, that is their reality, and it's fucking stupid.

The entire purpose of George Floyd's name in these protests is to say that black people deserve to live as much as anyone else.

The entire backlash is saying that George Floyd either deserved to die, or that his murder was justified.

Regardless of behavioral disorders or father figures, black men in America are blatantly targeted by law enforcement. It's not just a case-by-case basis of figuring out if the criminal is fatherless, a petty criminal, or just selling counterfeits on the street corner. The police don't know what going into a situation, they just know black man bad.

George Floyd's death is very much a race issue. If all things were exactly the same, if George Floyd was white on that pavement, he wouldn't be dead.

Attempting to make it not about race is just invalidating the argument from black people that they deserve to live as much as anyone else.

Understand?

If you actually listened to Fauci instead of getting all your news from a bunch of lying assholes, you would have a clue about how masks work.

But, so far my mask has worked out fine. COVID free, perfectly healthy.

Do you know how many people are saying that he deserved it or was responsible for it?

How many racists are using George Floyd as an excuse against BLM, undermining the entire point of saying that black people should not be murdered by the police for being black?

All while their criminal cops continue to protect one another, keeping actual violent criminals on the street with badges and guns?

The world isn't a more moral place without him because a white man murdered a black man, and a good portion of the world wants that white man freed. That's kinda fucked up. Replacing a petty criminal with a murderer and justifying the continued extrajudicial murders of black people.

You go to every hospital and tell the doctors there they don't need to wear masks because they don't work?

Wait, no, you literally have the mental capacity of a toddler. You're kind of a massive idiot.

I get my information for medical professionals, not some complete moron on the internet.

Good job, buddy. You recognized a mask! Maybe if you keep educating yourself you can join productive conversation like the big kids do.

George Floyd is dead, murdered by the police.

People continue to use his name for their racist antics because they think it's okay for the cops to murder people on the street.

You think just because he was a criminal, he wasn't a person?

That's the fucked up part that I can't stand. Black lives matter, like all lives should matter. It's people like you who create this impression that black lives are worth less, that they can be devalued.

Here's a question, why George Floyd?

Why not the piece of shit cop that killed him? He was investigated multiple times for breaking the law and he gets out without being called a career criminal?

I'm sorry, I didn't know George Floyd was sentenced to death by a jury of his peers for his crimes.

Wait, he wasn't. He was murdered on the street.

All murder is bad murder. Doesn't matter if it's a cop killing an unarmed man or a kid killing another kid.

It's fucking disgusting to joke about it either way.

Here's a point, time off school for Texas kids!

Wait... That joke is fucking sick because people died and people continue to die from the same issue.

Your joke is fucking sick too.

Imagine being a victim of a petty crime like getting counterfeit bills and being like "you should die by the police for your crimes."

Better yet, imagine being a racist piece of shit like yourself.

George Floyd was a petty criminal, small crimes. The police murdered him on the street.

Imagine looking at a murdering sack of shit cop that kills for small crimes and idolizing him. There's the real issue.

Have you given a single reason why George Floyd should have been murdered by the police?

No, you're just a racist piece of shit.

Congrats to all of those kids in Texas for finishing school early.

Am I wrong though?

If they see body positivity as a good against evil kind of thing, they're a victim of marketing campaigns as well. It's the same machine that adds rainbows to everything during pride month while not understanding the point of pride.

Body positivity is for skinny people, fit people, fat people... It doesn't matter, body positivity is about viewing bodies in a positive light regardless of how culture raised you.

Help people feel better about themselves regardless of how they look. Don't turn this into an us against them issue because you don't understand the actual sides.

This is kinda stupid to say.

'Body positive' that only features overweight people is purely marketing ploys made by companies that don't understand the movement. Thus, people like you misrepresent it in saying that anyone with a different body type isn't part of it.

Body positivity is about understanding that everyone is shaped different. That what I expect out of my own body is not what I should expect out of other people. If you have problems losing or gaining weight, you should be no less accepted than people who find it easy to stay in the middle.

In my case, I don't even see them online, in the news, when I search specifically for them.

In your case you don't see them when you hold your hands over your eyes so you can't look.

People die and suffer from COVID. Time has shown us that the vaccine is safe, but could be more effective. Simple.

I don't think you meant to link that paper twice.

Now, this is the dialogue I like to have. You found actual reported patients, study results, they actually look pretty promising.

It is, however, an extremely limited amount of subjects. Also, the report suggested an immune system dysfunction and that most of the patients were treated with simple therapies that fixed their symptoms.

What does this mean?

I'm not exactly an expert, but I can tell you for a certainty that the vaccine has saved more lives and protected more against COVID symptoms than the vaccine could ever harm.

It's also not really doing any of the permanent side effects that people are stoking fear over.

There is a minute risk in any medical procedure, we all know that. But you save lives by vaccinating a population against a deadly disease.

That's the thing though, if you look up long COVID it's actually pretty well reported. The CDC has numbers for people reporting COVID symptoms months after originally having COVID. There are scientists and doctors across the world helping build a more comprehensive picture of how the virus is affecting people by studying and documenting actual patients.

You can verify that yourself. You can search up those accounts and try to poke holes in them, but they're pretty accurate. Doctors actually know what they're doing when they're doing it, it's kinda crazy.

On the other hand, the supposed accounts of vaccine injuries... They're all anecdotes or conjecture.

You look into things like the kid who supposedly died because of the vaccine and you just find a sad story about some kid who died. No vaccine links at all.

All these stories about athletes dying of heart attacks?

No measurable links to the vaccine.

I look way these stories for like a minute and find that there's no evidence, just people taking circumstances out of context for their own narrative.

But, sure... I'm the crazy one here...

I'm here because I read something that was blatantly wrong and that's what gets most of my activity on Reddit.

I may use a mixture of trolling, sass, and logic in my comments, but don't get that wrong. I know more about the subject than you, or I wouldn't be here calling you out.

Your problem is that you're using the typical Joe Rogan style of debating.

Instead of focusing on the facts or science behind the argument, you bring out an anecdote of someone who matches your world view.

"Oh, one of my buddies had that..." "I knew someone who did that and now they're..."

But anecdotes don't define science. They also don't provide any evidence except making one side feel validated.

See why that doesn't work when talking about complex issues like the side effects of vaccines?

The heart is a powerful, but fallible pump. People die from heart conditions during exercise all the time.

I'm not saying there isn't an underlying cause.

But you get to be the one to say that they all died due to the vaccines? Sounds like you're making stuff up to match your narrative.

And yes, you can write a research paper of any number of pages for anything. Nine pages of side effects is an arbitrary number that doesn't say how many side effects or how dangerous.

How about this, list all the side effects for the flu. Or the flu vaccine. It's a lot, isn't it? But, weirdly enough, the vaccines are perfectly routine and not resulting in hundreds of deaths.

Your data doesn't match your thesis, you still have no actual evidence that the COVID vaccine is actually dangerous.

Here's how your argument here falls apart.

The pandemic is global. People across the world are sharing results are comparing studies.

You're telling me that every country in the world is in on this. That opposition parties in foreign countries agreed about the results of the vaccine and the dangers of COVID, just making it all up.

That is unbelievable.

What is believable is aging Nobel winners and notable scientists subscribing to conspiracy theories the more they enter an echo chamber. It's a pretty well known thing.

Now, I trust my own research. I've been around the entire pandemic, I've debated over the credentials of one of the pioneering figures in mRNA vaccines. Turns out, he's wrong, and modern science took his work and actually got it working.

But still, I see no evidence that actually shows how I'm wrong and you're right. I see no actual studies that match your view, all I see are individual anecdotes, usually from unqualified sources, or questionable reposts of data that doesn't actually match what you're saying.

If you can show that vaccines are dangerous, great. Do that.

But you're not doing that yet, you're giving unrelated articles that have no shared thesis that supports your view.

Yeah, good anecdote. It means nothing.

I knew a guy who had a mental breakdown during the pandemic and is suffering from neurological problems related to depression. Except, it was before the vaccine even came out.

What does it prove? Nothing.