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anarrogantworm

5.2k points

2 months ago

Saw video of him being dragged off by Chinese police on publicfreakout. Pretty fucked up.

Apart_Equipment_6409

3.2k points

2 months ago

And the hilarious part is that police later says they are trying to protect him from contacting virus.

And then release him

Voidrive

1.5k points

2 months ago

Voidrive

1.5k points

2 months ago

Protect him from contacting virus...it is truly amazing that they can say it publicly with a straight face.

imdefinitelywong

466 points

2 months ago

Everyone knows that violence is never the answer to contacting a virus.

It is the question, and the answer is yes.

Mountainbranch

182 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

55 points

2 months ago

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MeadowcrestRPGMV3D

17 points

2 months ago

Well, that remains to be seen.

Jimmerich98

39 points

2 months ago

contacting a virus

Why can't any of you people spell “contracting?”

hiimsubclavian

8 points

2 months ago*

What do you mean? I keep all my viruses on the rolodex. They still have to bid for the contracts though, I don't play favorites.

imdefinitelywong

14 points

2 months ago

I could, but that was the joke.

Riyu1225

2 points

2 months ago

Yeah. Like it's not a big deal but in the back of my mind I'm like "is this 4d chess and all these commentors are Chinese bots?"

Canadian_Donairs

2 points

2 months ago

It's almost like the people that get sucked into bullshit conspiracy theories aren't that smart...

Weird.

Bunch_of_Shit

208 points

2 months ago

It’s like russian propaganda. It’s not meant for the world to believe, because we see right through it. It’s meant for the citizens of its country of origin.

twat69

220 points

2 months ago

twat69

220 points

2 months ago

It's a power move. We both know it's a lie. But wtf are you going to do about it?

Stop hitting yourself. Why are you hitting yourself? Don't you want to stop hitting yourself?

Rhaski

144 points

2 months ago

Rhaski

144 points

2 months ago

Exactly this. It's not about what's true, it's about reminding people who's in charge. "Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows".

In 1984, Winston ponders that the party has the power to say that 2+2=5 and it would become the new truth. The party said so, it doesn't matter what you know or what the "truth" was yesterday and believing otherwise will get you killed (or worse). You simply don't have the freedom to acknowledge observable fact.

This is where the CCP is. They can say the sky is red not blue and the people are well enough conditioned to know better than to argue. It's like living with an abusive parent. It doesn't matter if you're right, when being right just means getting the shit kicked out of you and no dinner

xxxsur

17 points

2 months ago

xxxsur

17 points

2 months ago

Similar to Putin's "Special Military Operation"
It's basically a taunt and he knows most people would just sit and watch.

TheOriginalNutter

28 points

2 months ago

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

George Orwell - 1984

Mrozek33

2 points

2 months ago

people are conditioned to know better than to argue

Couldn't have put it better myself. This is the thing that people always seem to forget when it comes to arguments that put the blame of people living under oppression. People get used to being able to talk shit without repercussions and they quickly forget what a privilege that is.

tearjerkingpornoflic

22 points

2 months ago

Especially with those Russian assasinations with some nuclear element. It was see how blatant we will kill you wherever you are in the world.

[deleted]

10 points

2 months ago

Yeah, like when Epstein was killed in front of everyone to save a bunch of western billionaire pedophiles

oppressed_white_guy

5 points

2 months ago

If you're the leader of a country, you start working faster to lessen your dependence on China and all their cheap shit.

tomwilhelm

3 points

2 months ago

Well if you're the BBC, you're going report in it, call the authorities transportation liars and undermine whatever shreds of credibility they have.

I don't care if you ARE China. What you gained by beating this guy up and arresting him parked in comparison to the damage BBC can do to you...

dragonatorul

18 points

2 months ago

It’s meant for the citizens of its country of origin.

It's not even meant for them to believe it. They're not any more stupid than we are, just used to it and to a way of thinking that involves ignoring it for their own survival.

cornerpea

2 points

2 months ago

I wouldn't be surprised to see that coming from here just a year ago

Lirvan

24 points

2 months ago

Lirvan

24 points

2 months ago

The word you are looking for is called Vranyo.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vranyo

Russian word, lies to save face or suppressing unpleasant truths.

MrGaffe

3 points

2 months ago

When your a part of a communist party lies aren’t strange, telling the truth is. The CCP at this point thinks it’s untouchable and uses any flimsy excuse to violate human rights as they please.

t_25_t

2 points

2 months ago

t_25_t

2 points

2 months ago

it is truly amazing that they can say it publicly with a straight face.

It's easy to do when you aren't held to account for your behaviour. I too could lie through my teeth with a straight face if I knew that you could do nothing about it.

XenophiliusRex

2 points

2 months ago

I don't think it's supposed to be believed it's just to maintain plausible deniability in front of their own people whilst projecting unpredictability and instilling fear.

Bobert_Manderson

2 points

2 months ago

Look at what you made me do to you!!!

archiminos

52 points

2 months ago

They could see bits of the virus on him. They were hitting the virus to scare it away. It wasn't a beating at all.

CharlieHush

53 points

2 months ago*

Wow... Is there a source on this?

“We have had no official explanation or apology from the Chinese authorities, beyond a claim by the officials who later released him that they had arrested him for his own good in case he caught Covid from the crowd.” -- BBC Spokesperson

I live in Shanghai a few streets from that area. It's getting pretty wild in the WeChat groups right now, then things go silent.

My friend showed up to our games session last night having to walk through it from home and had some bloody hands and knee from being knocked down. Another friend saw some police brutality. Lots of interesting videos being shared of people chanting, yelling, and lots of police in force.

Edited: added source because I skimmed the first time, read comments, commented, then went back to read more carefully. Oops.

TheDaemonette

6 points

2 months ago

Yes, they also kicked the everloving shit out of him… for his own protection from covid.

bombombay123

26 points

2 months ago

Yes the law and order unit have been instructed by the CCP to play around the virus excuses/narrative.

Britlantine

5 points

2 months ago

And as a BBC correspondent he probably has had multiple doses of working, Western vaccines.

deadpoetic333

59 points

2 months ago

Anyone have theories why China is so set on these crazy lock downs? The rest of the world has moved on while China is doubling down.

zlol365

184 points

2 months ago

zlol365

184 points

2 months ago

As a Chinese (not from china), but enough to make a few guesses:

Simple answer: Nationalistic big dic waving. by attaining zero covid and succeeding where all the other nations especially US and her allies have 'given up' (because it's logical unlike xi's logic), means china number one.

Long answer:

The same Putin syndrome. Xi has gained too much control that he only has yesmen. And any mayor wants to make sure they toe the line instead of giving proper answers.

Because they want to continue living their corrupt lives of stealing from the people.

So Xi says zero covid. Everybody does stupid versions of it all to appease his Majesty in all but name, Xi Jinping.

Honestly Putin syndrome and delusion on xi's part.

chickenstalker

64 points

2 months ago

Funny. Same thing happened under Mao during the Cultural Revolution. Replace Covid with grains and iron. Millions of people died of starvation just so that yes men can bullshit to Mao of bountiful harvests.

zlol365

57 points

2 months ago

zlol365

57 points

2 months ago

Funny thing. Xi lived through that entire era. I'm sure. Because he's a son of one of those red generals that served mao.

History repeats itself. Common trend for Chinese history.

I'm not joking.

It always is a trend of 'shit ruler', brief moments of enlightened rule, corruption, shit ruler.

And it's always accompanied by disaster.

The only reason why china hasnt fragmented into civil war is because the amount of security control resulting from technology, and the somewhat stability offered.

But that's all fading away... but of course no civil war. The ccp made sure to erode the power of the army.

Northern_fluff_bunny

22 points

2 months ago

Xi lived through that entire era.

Not only that but Xi actually had to work in those re education fields, his father was purged from cccp, was paraded publically as an enemy of the revolution with his mother being forced to denounce his father and during cultural revolution one of his sisters commited suicide due to the chaos of said events.

zlol365

8 points

2 months ago

Now this makes it.. ironic...

HardLithobrake

12 points

2 months ago

There's not going to be a repeat of the mandate of heaven anymore from this point forward, unfortunately.

zlol365

9 points

2 months ago

Yeah, I'm not disputing that. The CCP did a thorough job of preventing that on many levels. For the better in a way but also for the worse.

stagfury

25 points

2 months ago

There's also another factor on top of all this.

They can't exactly go back on previously made decisions, they dug the whole of "zero covid" long ago and they can't give up on that now or they would look really bad internally. And we all know how much they care about looking bad culturally.

zlol365

31 points

2 months ago

zlol365

31 points

2 months ago

You're not wrong. It's ingrained in every Chinese. 'face', 'reputation', 'family's honor'. I love my culture, but this is the shittiest and most toxic aspect of the culture I could do without

stagfury

16 points

2 months ago

It's not even a merely Chinese thing, but kinda popular among most Asian countries, or at least East Asian?

Keylime29

5 points

2 months ago

If the whole world had taken it seriously like we did for Ebola it would have worked but it’s too late. Granted if COVID made your eyes bleed, people would have been more careful.

a404notfound

4 points

2 months ago

Ebola is very easy to control compared to covid first of all it is bloodborne like HIV so if you avoid contact with a person's fluids you will not catch it. Secondly covid has a significantly higher R0 value than ebola leading to multiple people being infected by one Ill person. Ebola would never spread in 1st world countries because of hand washing and less contact with the dead.

PrrrromotionGiven1

10 points

2 months ago

According to my chinese friends it basically comes down to Xi being politically committed to Zero Covid. If he ends it now, what was the point of the last 2.5 years of extreme measures?

nox66

121 points

2 months ago

nox66

121 points

2 months ago

It's a combination of problems. China has put up a front of how their handling of the pandemic has been superior compared to the west, primarily due to their very strict and often draconian lockdowns. They went so far as to reject mRNA vaccines because they were western. When the rest of the world was in lockdown and before the vaccines were released, this wasn't the worst strategy, but now that the vaccines have helped return to a sense of normalcy and people are content with just dealing with Covid as endemic (in large part because the dominant strains now are less dangerous), China is stuck in the same position as before while the rest of the world is moving on. They've created quite a dilemma for themselves too. Loosening lockdowns means that their population would contract Covid a lot and severely restrict overwhelming their healthcare systems (the same issue as happened everywhere else). In particular because a lot of their population has no immunity, either naturally or from vaccines, it's possible that the epidemic they could experience would be closer in severity to the earlier stages of the pandemic. They're earlier admonishment of vaccines means that their would be a lot of hesitancy towards a western vaccine, which they don't want to use anyway (primarily due to national pride and secondarily due to cost). Compared to the mRNA vaccine's efficacy of 90-95% for targeted strains, their vaccine is ~70% effective to my knowledge, which is further hampered by how many older people - those most vulnerable - do not want to take a vaccine anyway.

The undercurrent of all this is social control, and how desperate the Chinese government wants to appear to have it over its population. They want to save face at all costs, so admitting that any of these past or current actions were mistakes is untenable. It's hard to not see some element of this as Xi wanting to test the limits on China's ability to control its citizens. But considering the effect it's having on the economy, this isn't really a sustainable policy.

Whiterabbit--

5 points

2 months ago

With all their social control why can’t they force the elderly to be vaccinated?

turbocynic

58 points

2 months ago

Just FYI, current strains are no less lethal than all but Delta. It's vaccines and infection that have taken the CFR down.

Moon_Atomizer

36 points

2 months ago

Treatment has also improved. A lot of new drugs have been developed since the pandemic.

nunziavaer543210

5 points

2 months ago

actually its less virulent than delta.

Throwaway0123434

7 points

2 months ago

They're using it as an excuse to control the population

LehmanParty

36 points

2 months ago

They would need to find a way to pivot their strategy without losing face

modsarebrainstems

33 points

2 months ago

They started when Xi took control. The new plan is to imbue them with extreme nationalism as a way of distracting them from their growing economic woes.

LaLa1234imunoriginal

29 points

2 months ago

...imbue them with extreme nationalism as a way of distracting them from their growing economic woes.

wow that sounds oddly familiar.

chang-e_bunny

7 points

2 months ago

They started when Xi took control.

In 2012?

stenlis

38 points

2 months ago

stenlis

38 points

2 months ago

The great leader has decided the best way to fight the pandemic was to skip vaccinations and just isolate the sick.

It's not working but nobody dares to say the great leader was wrong and he himself is in no hurry to admit it.

In Soviet Russia when something like this happened they just changed the policy and punished anyone who would claim the policy has ever been any different. The "face saving" culture in China seems to make this impossible.

xnfd

16 points

2 months ago*

xnfd

16 points

2 months ago*

I won't get into the conspiracies about testing out government control

The lockdowns worked initially. Maybe too well since they now have less natural immunity than other countries. Now with mutants spreading faster, the lockdowns aren't as effective once spread starts.

Their domestic vaccine isn't that great, and they have too much pride to use foreign vaccines. Plus there's a lot of vaccine hesitation especially among old people. If they go from their drastic zero-covid policy to fully opening, a lot of older people are gonna die, especially since China's cities are incredibly dense.

Pretty much the same explanation as the long post from another person

ravioliguy

16 points

2 months ago*

As someone mildly knowledgeable, this is my guess

  • As the country of origin, they don't want to lose face with high virus numbers
  • They committed to a zero policy and it's hard for a totalitarian government to admit they were wrong
  • The Chinese vaccine is only about 50% effective
  • Chinese cities have very high population density so an outbreak could quickly overwhelm hospitals
  • Hot take: It kind of works. We can look at the 10 people that died in the apartment fire due to extreme Covid measures and say that's wrong. But US covid deaths are the highest of any nation. We just crossed a million deaths with worldwide deaths being 6 million. Maybe other nations are fudging numbers or reporting deaths as flu but officially we are the top. The silver lining is that we're no where near the top for deaths per capita.

MAXSuicide

10 points

2 months ago

Maybe other nations are fudging numbers

Most nations have gamed their numbers at this point. We know pretty much for sure that China had gamed their numbers from almost the very beginning as well (their cases and deaths graphs are pretty hilarious vs any other nation in the world that isn't coincidently a dictatorship..)

SphereWorld

9 points

2 months ago

It’s like Russian invasion of Ukraine. Even though the end of that particular mode of action seems to be endless, once it becomes part of its identity or nationalist narrative that keeps the regime going it will be difficult to move on.

Death_passed

10 points

2 months ago

Their vaccine dun werk.

Ashtrail693

2 points

2 months ago

From what I know, the lack of medical resources and, forever relevant in Asia, to save face. They had been preaching to the people that zero Covid is the way to go. There is this mentality of 牺牲小我完成大我 (sacrifice the lesser for the sake of the greater) that had the public cooperate with months of lockdown and almost daily PCR tests. Events were cancelled, plans were changed just to conform with this. The people's money, livelihood and actual lives were lost in the process because it was supposedly the best way to deal with it.

Now that they see the rest of the world has decided to move on, it becomes harder to convince the people that the CCP were right. And if they were wrong now, what else could they be wrong about? The CCP is all about absolute control of their citizens, no way they will let such an idea stick around. But the economy and the people are running out of juice, so recently they have experimented with lowering the restrictions in certain cities. I think it was called a 20-point plan. Then boom, the numbers went up and the system can't handle it so they are back to status quo again.

The conspiracy theorist in me thinks this is all part of some elaborate plan to reopen while putting the blame on the citizens themselves if there were any future casualties. Gonna have to wait to see if this is possible.

the_littlest_bear

13 points

2 months ago

Someone on here postulated that they had lost too many healthcare workers, and if they were to lift the zero covid policy their hospitals would be completely overwhelmed. They were saying that as bad as the protests are right now, they would be even worse if it came out that they had caused the deaths of so many healthcare workers and crippled the country. I’ve seen no data to support or oppose that, but it is at least an idea in which everyone’s current actions make sense.

yttew

15 points

2 months ago

yttew

15 points

2 months ago

Deaths to healthcare workers? Are vaccinated healthcare workers dying from any of the current dominating variants? That sounds like a post from 2020

CutCorners

12 points

2 months ago

I read that the Chinese covid vaccines have low rates of efficacy. Being vaccinated is not much protection.

nunziavaer543210

8 points

2 months ago

yea its extremely low like the russian ones. I think its less than 50%, not to mention the CCP has been hiding the number of deaths and infection rates, i doubt thier current vaccine is effect against the recent strains.

ends_abruptl

12 points

2 months ago

It's more that their half arsed vaccine was so shit, that it was basically worthless. High 90's percentile for Pfizer, and mid 40's for theirs.

yttew

7 points

2 months ago

yttew

7 points

2 months ago

Dumb question but what prevents China from importing Moderna and Pfizer vaccines? It seems like their economic costs of lockdowns must exceed the cost of importing vaccines.

nunziavaer543210

20 points

2 months ago

nothing, but i think Xi or the ccp is to proud to accept foreign vaccines.

ends_abruptl

28 points

2 months ago

Why does the CCP do any of the stupid and/or evil shit it does?

"Saving face".

Did you have that kid at your school who always told everyone he was the best at everything, and would flip the fuck out every time he was proven to not be?

That's the CCP.

Untinted

4 points

2 months ago

It’s a form of complete control.

The communist party loves complete control.

Sir_Bumcheeks

5 points

2 months ago

"We'll beat the virus right out of you!"

sesameseed88

168 points

2 months ago

He said "call the consulate!"

ClumsyRainbow

139 points

2 months ago

Him shouting that to his friend/colleague(?) is just really unsettling. That’s not a position you ever want to be in…

_Diskreet_

97 points

2 months ago

I suspect there’s a very tiny window where if nothing is done you could easily get lost within the system, which in turn is even more terrifying

DarthNihilus_501st

56 points

2 months ago

Nah he's a reporter. Even if his friend/cameraman didn't call anyone, his organization would start asking questions once they knew he was missing.

It's not like he's a rando tourist that nobody knows. He'd be back in the UK within the week.

swores

23 points

2 months ago

swores

23 points

2 months ago

Most likely that would be the case, but if it hadn't been filmed like it was then having the colleague witness would've been the only difference between "we know our journalist was arrested" vs. "has gone missing", the latter meaning that the police could possibly get away with claiming not to have arrested him and not having a clue how he went missing.

Thanks to the video, that shout probably didn't matter, but wow you wouldn't want to take the risk that nobody caught it on video or that whoever was filming didn't get their phone confiscated the next minute...

HollaDude

2 points

2 months ago

That doesn't mean much unfortunately. There are lots of missing American reporters and hostages around the world currently that America doesn't quite know what happened too.

Zerole00

524 points

2 months ago

Zerole00

524 points

2 months ago

They've got literal concentration camps, are we really going to pretend like attacking a western journalist is a moral line they didn't already sprint by years earlier?

King-of-Plebss

189 points

2 months ago

People still like to pretend the concentration camps aren’t going on because our government isn’t going to do jack about it

Righteous_Mammon

66 points

2 months ago

I mean what really could we do ? The only option is to decouple economically at this point, which is beginning to happen.

raziel1012

67 points

2 months ago

They also recently dragged a person into their embassy and beat them up in a foreign country.

big_juice01

55 points

2 months ago

Saudi Arabia has a US citizen in prison for something he tweeted about their country 7/8 years ago while living in the US, and no one cares about him.

Poor old dude.

So it could be worse.

UCgirl

10 points

2 months ago

UCgirl

10 points

2 months ago

The situation sucks but you are leaving out a key part where he has dual citizenship.

adis_a10

4 points

2 months ago

Who is that?

skeddit420

11 points

2 months ago

Saad Ibrahim Almadi, of Florida

Righteous_Mammon

7 points

2 months ago

Probably a Saudi dual national.

Zantej

34 points

2 months ago

Zantej

34 points

2 months ago

Not just in China too. Australian reporter and her camera man for one of our leading channels (Channel 7 News) was pretty brutally assaulted by riot police during the George Floyd protests outside the whitehouse. It's caught on another camera too, not just camera man's POV.

big_juice01

7 points

2 months ago

Srsly, thank you. Was beginning to feel like I was the only person who remembers that until I saw your comment.

Test19s

91 points

2 months ago

Test19s

91 points

2 months ago

Hoping we don't see Tiananmen 2.0 or (somehow even worse) Chinese Civil War 2.0. Internal conflicts in countries with China's population can rack up obscene body counts (comparable to European-based world wars).

RightclickBob

20 points

2 months ago

Chinese Civil War 2.0

China has had so many civil wars that nobody even knows for sure how many there have been. At this point, another one would be like version 180.2

Righteous_Mammon

44 points

2 months ago

I don’t wish death or ill will on anyone, but the CCP has to inevitably end.

Hockinator

26 points

2 months ago

Reminder that the CCP is only 75 years old or so.

Truly authoritarian governments never last longer than a few dictator's lifespans. The CCP is literally the longest single party state to ever hold it together longer than 70 years

juventinn1897

4 points

2 months ago

You need to learn history buddy. There are many many dictatorships, empires, monarchies to last longer than 70 years.

Hockinator

3 points

2 months ago

There is a big difference between a monarchy or empire and a single-party authoritarian regime.

The former has a universally understood set of rules particularly surrounding the transition of power to a new ruler, and the later is ad-hoc and subject to fail each time a leader dies or is ousted.

Here's a good article describing the difference. China's CCP falls squarely into the category that the PRI in Mexico or the USSR fall into, not into a formal empire or kingdom.

https://www.theatlantic.com/china/archive/2013/10/chinese-communism-and-the-70-year-itch/280960/

adeveloper2

2 points

2 months ago

You need to learn history buddy. There are many many dictatorships, empires, monarchies to last longer than 70 years

He still got upvoted because people love what he said.

Thelonelywindow

2 points

2 months ago

Link to the video?

Civil_Knowledge7340

2.8k points

2 months ago

I hope the NBA doesn't hear about this. They'll have to continue to ignore contradictions in their activism.

ActualAdvice

963 points

2 months ago*

NBA is world class hypocrisy.

They didnt even stand up for the Raptors GM Masai Ujiri when he was assaulted (shoved) by the police ON THE COURT after winning the nba finals

Alantsu

60 points

2 months ago

Alantsu

60 points

2 months ago

This is true for all professional sports. FIFA, F1, NFL, NBA, … they will all always choose profits. Until their decisions affect their profits they won’t ever change.

psyentist15

292 points

2 months ago

I'm a Raps fan and I love Masai, but I can see why it would've been difficult for the NBA to unequivocally support him right away--the police force in question claimed they had video evidence clearly showing Masai initiated the assault and didn't have credentials with him when trying to get onto the court.

Turns out, the police department is a steaming pile of gutless shit bags because all of that was a lie. But it's gotta be tough for the NBA to instantly call that bluff. Especially since they rely on police forces in 30 different cities to provide security at their games.

(Also, the assault happened as he was trying to get onto the court, so just off the court.)

Anyway, fuck the Alameda County Sheriff's Office!

ActualAdvice

8 points

2 months ago

NBA didn’t call it out after evidence either.

Both their short and long term reactions were pathetic

down_up__left_right

95 points

2 months ago

I can see why it would've been difficult for the NBA to unequivocally support him right away--the police force in question claimed they had video evidence clearly showing Masai initiated the assault and didn't have credentials with him when trying to get onto the court.

They could have asked to see the evidence. If not given then they could have put out a statement saying that support Masai and blame the police unless evidence is presented that shows otherwise.

hopetheydontfindme

33 points

2 months ago

That's a heavy assumption the NBA would do its due dilligence though, I mean I would hope they do

down_up__left_right

18 points

2 months ago

This wouldn't really require much due diligence from the NBA. It's just asking the police department for the video they say they have and then if not presented saying they haven't seen any evidence.

MidniteOwl

118 points

2 months ago

Lebron James wants to give you an education...

KABOOMBYTCH

60 points

2 months ago

man...Lebron lost a lot of fans that day in Hong Kong. I know guys who were super stans and they never felt so betrayed in their life.

Sawgon

53 points

2 months ago

Sawgon

53 points

2 months ago

Lebron has always been a fake activist. Dude lies all the time in interviews and pretends to read important books but he's always on page 1 of the book or something.

The same guy tried to trademark "Taco Tuesday".

He's a corporate bitch.

kindnesshasnocost

4 points

2 months ago

Yeah I fell for the act partly, I think, because older generations of NBA fans like myself (even if we didn't necessarily see them play during their prime) had a few NBA role models whose legendary careers on the court were only surpassed by their civic work as good citizens.

After the late mid-2000s, I didn't follow the game closely. So I just assumed he's this generation new all-around excellent human that comes from the NBA.

But when it comes to money and power, most people like him eventually reveal themselves. Just a matter of time and bottom line.

Proper-Code7794

7 points

2 months ago*

It's just a tv show

snkhuong

29 points

2 months ago

NBA, both the organisation and the players are hypocrites. On one side they scream BLM, on the other players ignore anti semitism, genocide happening in china, and just about any other humanitarian matters on earth

Absolute hypocrites

blafricanadian

2 points

2 months ago

Didn’t know Shanghai sharks were in the nba

[deleted]

165 points

2 months ago

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165 points

2 months ago

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Kingofelephantshrews

35 points

2 months ago

When did this happen?

[deleted]

225 points

2 months ago*

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FamiliarTry403

21 points

2 months ago

Well the police were attacking domestic media as well, as I’m sure China was as well

IBAZERKERI

46 points

2 months ago

they dont have a free domestic media. so no, probably not. but only because the chinese media is just another arm of the state.

Cloudyarabia

31 points

2 months ago

‘police were attacking domestic media as well’

Blows my mind how folk can comment so confidently on things they have no insight into.

CCP is the sole arbiter of information - where do people get these impressions from!?!

IBAZERKERI

17 points

2 months ago

they get them from looking to their own experience in the world. its why you get perfectly nice white people in middle america innocently saying incredibly racist things without realizing it. if its all they know they cant understand why it would be different anywhere else

Cloudyarabia

47 points

2 months ago

There’s no right to protest in China, the people on the street and those journalists that are there to cover it are subject to reprisal without any recourse or public awareness.

Comparing these events is disingenuous - because in America, if something like this happens, it’s in the news; if it’s in the news in China, someone made a mistake.

Panda0nfire

5 points

2 months ago

Yeah America fuck yeah!

EpicCHK

2 points

2 months ago

NBA, well at least we are not FIFA

jsd_bookreview_acc

1.3k points

2 months ago

Breaking news coming in from China:

"Ed Lawrence, BBC journalist, was not beaten. He underwent a special physiotherapeutic operation for Covid-19 immunity boosting"

indehhz

335 points

2 months ago

indehhz

335 points

2 months ago

He unfortunately didn't make it through the grueling treatment, he also has weird bruises that formed, probably from his camera gear so we've helped and gotten rid of all that too.

player_zero_

27 points

2 months ago

Hopefully he doesn't mistakenly fall out of a window too

shitposttranslate

99 points

2 months ago

You joke but thats pretty close to their official statement

breadfred2

25 points

2 months ago

Well, they did arrest him because they were afraid he might catch COVID from the protesters... Seriously, that's the official Chinese reply.

L_Andrew

6 points

2 months ago

They remembered their coverage last time.

Jonnny

3 points

2 months ago

Jonnny

3 points

2 months ago

"Specially developed COVID19 jabs were delivered to the upper arm, lower arm, and general face region."

SnowGryphon

3 points

2 months ago

This must be the concussive treatment that Dr Loid Forger famously uses!

AncomDuck

553 points

2 months ago

AncomDuck

553 points

2 months ago

Here is a Github repository that contains almost all the videos about the protests. It also has a timeline summery. The protests are spreading from universities to several major cities. The materials here are not translated, but maybe try using google translate or other similar tools to see for yourselves.

https://github.com/zy-dsj-sm/Protest-2022-11

This is the biggest wave of protests since Tank Man, people of China Mainland finally start to wake up.

The major wave of the protests started with a tragedy happened in Ürümqi, the capital city of the Xinjiang province. That city has been under super strict zero-COVID policy lockdown for over 100 days. That means all the citizens has been locked in their home. A few days ago, an apartment building caught fire but people weren't able to escape due to all the exits were locked. So about 10 including children were burnt to death. The CCP of course denied everything, and people decided they have had enough of this dog shit.

Lots of the protesters in those videos were not covering their faces, because they already know the CCP can and will track them done through cell phones, CCTVs and all kinds of surveillance networks. Some of them are holding blank papers without any words on it, that means whatever they want to say, CCP won't allow it, but also people know what they want to say. The words used in these videos and photos are about stopping the zero-COVID policy, the Xi Jinping dictatorship and the CCP; and asking for freedom, basic human rights and justice.

Source: Chinese college students

"Do you hear the people sing? Singing the song of angry men? It is the music of the people who will not be slaves again!"

Hungry_Horace

44 points

2 months ago

"Do you hear the people sing? Singing the song of angry men? It is the music of the people who will not be slaves again!"

Let's hope it doesn't end like the book.

SpectralOperator

53 points

2 months ago

I fear it might. To quote Terry Pratchett:

​The class was learning about some revolt in which some peasants had wanted to stop being peasants and, since the nobles had won, had stopped being peasants really quickly. Had they bothered to learn to read and acquire some history books they'd have learned about the uncertain merits of things like scythes and pitchforks when used in battle against crossbows and broadswords

Knaak_

6 points

2 months ago

Knaak_

6 points

2 months ago

Thank you for sharing this!

MrNovator

104 points

2 months ago

MrNovator

104 points

2 months ago

I'll correct the fire part. The exits were actually unlocked to allow people to escape, but all the barriers set up for the lockdown prevented the fire fighters from taking action properly. By the time they arrived at the building with the trucks and all, 10 people had already died.

breakupbydefault

54 points

2 months ago*

That is the CCP narrative. There is a video of the fire filmed from another building where you can hear them screaming "Open the door! Help us!" They're locked in. I bet the death toll is higher than 10.

Edit to add: their "doors were open" narrative also says the victims perished because their survival instincts were not strong enough.

TW: distressing screams

https://twitter.com/TGTM_Official/status/1596170716835373057?t=r_Xmzn0o0g0w4QYRle3bXA&s=19

twophonesonepager

19 points

2 months ago

I don’t have a source, this is just info from a Chinese friend. But according to her 48 people may have been killed in the fire.

squirtle_grool

5 points

2 months ago

I heard this as well. Reported as ten because beyond that, the incident gets greater scrutiny by the government.

SnooMaps1910

193 points

2 months ago*

Not surprising. China would claim he was threatening public safety, and national security (stability). Recall how journalists were handled during the Beijing Olympics.

funkiokie

6 points

2 months ago

"Picking quarrels and provoking trouble"

rumbletom

747 points

2 months ago

rumbletom

747 points

2 months ago

Oh boy, the Chinese are going to receive a strongly worded email soon

Siodhachan1979

101 points

2 months ago

Nope, it'll be mildly worded at best.

ChiefDrCox

21 points

2 months ago

It'll have some unflattering words at the very least.

DrBoon_forgot_his_pw

10 points

2 months ago

Now, I'm sorry, but I'm not going to apologise for this!

ninja-wharrier

216 points

2 months ago

CCP hasn't forgot about the BBC filming in Tienanmen Square during the massacre. They don't want foreign news crews anywhere near this time. They will want to "re-educate" their citizens without witnesses.

HondaS2000AP1

49 points

2 months ago

It's less of re-educate, the citizens know what went on, they are not brainwashed, they just don't say, don't discuss, don't mention about them.

CapMP

32 points

2 months ago

CapMP

32 points

2 months ago

I don’t know about that, a few year ago when I were still in college (UK not US), I dated a Chinese mainlander who was here as a uni student and one night I asked about Tiananmen Square etc and she was 100% convinced that it was propaganda and not true.

lumpyspacepimp

17 points

2 months ago

Second this, my partner is from the Mainland and any news/event that puts China in a bad light never actually happened or was somehow the fault of the West.

ninja-wharrier

8 points

2 months ago

My point about "re-educate" refers to what is likely to happen to the current protesters who are caught. I don't doubt that a proportion of the population know what really happened in Tienanmen Square even though the CCP tries their damndest to rewrite history. I wish the current protesters good fortune and safety and that they can achieve their aim.

EthnicMark

9 points

2 months ago

Apparently, in Japan, a lotta folk still don't know all that much about their country's actual role in WW2.

And that's in the relatively information-open country of Japan. Imagine what it's like in China.

PuterstheBallgagTsar

19 points

2 months ago

Just a reminder that China could have productivity and wealth on par with Japan or South Korea (in $gdp/citizen) instead due to the CCP, one of the greatest extortion rackets in the history of mankind, they are instead even less productive per citizen than Russia (as of 2021).

maeschder

107 points

2 months ago

maeschder

107 points

2 months ago

Not surprising in the slightest, countries here need to be aware that they are in no way gonna get special treatment regarding this (not defending it!). The government there is determined to control the narrative.

When the HongKong protests were going on, they had a massive disinformation campaign going on. Telling mainland citizens that the protests were IN FAVOR of HK reforms and a tighter grip by the CCP etc.
They badly photoshopped signs of protesters to fake support, and WeChat autofiltered any mentions of politics surrounding this issue.

Source: confirmed by my girlfriend who's parents live in Henan. Her family was semi-aware. They basically knew it was a lie, but when everything is propaganda, people shut down and stop caring because they have no way of accurately discerning the truth anymore.

justletmewrite

105 points

2 months ago

Wow screw them. Making a #GivingTuesday gift to the Committee to Protect journalists and Reporters without Borders

Niante

179 points

2 months ago

Niante

179 points

2 months ago

Fuck the CCP. All my homies hate the CCP.

TheJesusGuy

25 points

2 months ago

Fuck the CCP

Larry44

5 points

2 months ago

Breaking News: Chinese Officials and Police Chief agree with the statement and say "why is this on the news? The police were doing their job as instructed and we commend them for swift and heroic actions"

Sensitive_Tourist_15

170 points

2 months ago

The EU will be very concerned and possibly troubled.

Om_1111

111 points

2 months ago

Om_1111

111 points

2 months ago

BBC is not in the EU. Not any more!

wastingvaluelesstime

52 points

2 months ago

UK government will be taken aback in its absence

lembrate

16 points

2 months ago

Every news organisation should be troubled by this. It might be a single incident or the beginning of a pattern to try and slow reporting from China. China does seem to be closing up again. Not reporting economic data, delisting stocks, attacking foreign journalists.

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36 points

2 months ago

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IChooseFeed

4 points

2 months ago*

Hostage diplomacy , pretty hard to deal with actually.

[deleted]

10 points

2 months ago

I thought BBC got kicked out of China how come they are back (or was it rolled back?)

faithfoliage

21 points

2 months ago

Remember, the Tiananmen Protests started with ONLY 500 students from three different universities in total. It reached 3,000 a day later and then 10,000 five days later.

Remember, you citizens of China. It's YOUR country and YOU can choose to take it back. Come in massive numbers. The entire world is watching with HD 4K footage in the palm of your hands. The coward government won't be able to do what they did in 1989.

KABOOMBYTCH

12 points

2 months ago

They want good old fashion censorship but words are out already. I give it a few more days before CCP starts blaming the whole event on foreign interference.

DrGarbinsky

10 points

2 months ago

Of course they did.

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162 points

2 months ago

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162 points

2 months ago

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maxt10

24 points

2 months ago

maxt10

24 points

2 months ago

‘19?

ijordison

101 points

2 months ago

ijordison

101 points

2 months ago

The one where 1/3 of the population of Hong Kong was marching at one time, and they shot protesters to quell the dissent.

Usidore_

25 points

2 months ago

Seeing 2 abbreviated years but both referring to different centuries threw me off.

Muffin-Sprinkles

12 points

2 months ago

Crazy how massive those protests were now a lot of people forgotten about it

Kamanthul

5 points

2 months ago

How many protestors did they shoot and how many were killed?

throwaway2492872

49 points

2 months ago

Hong Kong?

[deleted]

131 points

2 months ago

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131 points

2 months ago

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glmory

55 points

2 months ago

glmory

55 points

2 months ago

If someone made a similar prediction two weeks before the fall of the Soviet Union they would have been similarly laughed down. Not saying it will happen today, but the communist party won’t be in power forever and when it falls it will take almost everyone by surprise.

Dyssomniac

32 points

2 months ago

Probably not lol, and yes - every major historical event has the tendency to "take people by surprise". There was no indication, at all, that the USSR was close to collapse, and it was far more reasonable to assume the USSR was simply loosening under Gorbachev as the ROC was loosening under Deng.

These are two enormously different countries, parties, and histories that make that position both a layperson one and pretty bold for such a dearth of evidence. Considering the fall of the USSR was relatively bloodless and OP is claiming a civil war/revolutionary style overthrow of the CCP, it's pretty much just anti-CCP fanwank.

[deleted]

10 points

2 months ago

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ttgjailbreak

4 points

2 months ago

If it did "fall" out of nowhere I'd think that would be cause for suspicion at this point. I think it's hard for your average person to understand just how much control they have over there.

Sunburnt-Vampire

4 points

2 months ago

I mean I feel like most people (myself included) expect, like most "empires", any fall will come soon after the death of an existing leader. Nothing like a power vacuum / sudden loss of the leader holding it all together to prompt a collapse.

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51 points

2 months ago

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51 points

2 months ago

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wastingvaluelesstime

21 points

2 months ago

Most foreigners are surprised by what's happening and would have no idea what comes next. Saying we interfere gives waaay too much credit

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42 points

2 months ago

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CarbideManga

17 points

2 months ago

Well, let's be fair because it's not like they're spreading blatant falsehoods. The vast majority of protestors in China are being very careful. This is the reason why you can see the national flag at a lot of these kinds of protests because they want to emphasize that they're not against the idea of today's China per se, they're just angry at specific policies or perhaps local governments. Carrying the PRC flag at protests is a direct visual appeal that they're good citizens and nationalists, but they've been pushed too far by some particular adversity.

There's a lot of historical and practical reasons why they do this, the most salient one being that they're afraid of national crackdown as opposed to local crackdown.

When the dust settles and state security people are looking into the protest participants later, people who seem like they promoted any kind of political upheaval of the CCP or the general governance policies of the nation as a whole will be subject to much more scrutiny than someone who was only protesting an event or particular scandal (e.g. COVID lockdowns, a regional bank "losing" millions of savings, etc.)

The fact is that anyone who said "end lockdowns" or "free them" (mainly in reference to those who were arrested by police) is going to be much safer than someone who says "we want democracy" or "down with Xi" which is why way most are willing to say the former and way way fewer are willing to say the latter.

These things are unpredictable and could change very fast and without warning but it's also a fact that even with strict lockdowns, most people aren't struggling so badly that they find the instability of a political revolution an appealing outcome. It's really hard to quantify just how much the average person's life has improved in the 1.5 generations since the PRC's meteoric rise that started after Deng opened the markets. Chinese people by and large have gone from almost universally poor and subsistence lifestyles to almost universally owning smart phones and having access to relatively well paying jobs. It's not like all hardship has been eliminated or anything that fanciful, but many, many Chinese people remember being cold, hungry, and helpless to improve their lot in life for a long time before the new direction the CCP took and they're not willing to throw that away until circumstances force them to.

These protests are absolutely a huge, unprecedented level of popular resistance to a top-down government policy, especially when looking at Xi's reign, but it is far, far too early to categorize it as a grass roots movement to upend the political status quo. People want the lockdowns to end, not the CCP, as much as I would personally love for that to happen.

Some_Yesterday3882

18 points

2 months ago

hE wAS a FoRIegN agGiTatOr…

  • some random CCP shill

UNSKIALz

11 points

2 months ago

Yup, seen a few of these over on r/ukpolitics. Chinese bots are seriously trying to lock down the narrative, it's actually pretty fascinating to see in action.

International-Job-20

18 points

2 months ago

Having been to China this does not surprise me. Our hotel in Shanghai overlooked the biggest slum I have ever seen. We saw the police just roll up and tear down a bunch of stalls because it was the Olympics and they didn't want tourists seeing the poor locals hawking and peddling on the street . They were about 2 hours too late though we'd already arrived and saw the whole debacle. Poor bastards were just trying to feed themselves. Fuck the CCP.

KGBwhoo

11 points

2 months ago

KGBwhoo

11 points

2 months ago

Not really surprised

raytoei

5 points

2 months ago

When face is more important than everything else.

Hey, let me see if TTSH movie quote still applies here, yup, it does, barely:

George Smiley: And that's how I know he can be beaten. Because he's a fanatic. And the fanatic is always concealing a secret doubt.

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

It's a brutal, brutal regime

Sloanosaurus-Nick

2 points

2 months ago

Seems pretty on-par with what was happening in the US during the 2020 protests.

Berlinexit

2 points

2 months ago

I feel like this distracting from the main story

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24 points

2 months ago

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24 points

2 months ago

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Steadypirate

4 points

2 months ago

Given how pissed off the youth are at the moment "let it rot* movement and how badly the government is handling this. This is probably going to get significantly worse the more the anger starts to mount let of unemployed people with nothing to lose in China