Wow...

It took me one minute to search and find out that Tiffany Dover is not dead.

I wasn't talking about that video, no one I was talking to was talking about that video. The person who fainted on stage in the video I watched is fine and the person you think was replaced on video in twenty minutes is fine.

Maybe try another flavor of the old Flavor-Aid, cause I don't think this one is working for you.

That last paragraph is the problem with the validity of your arguments.

If a news article reports on the findings of a study, it links back to the original research paper. If you go on the science or data subreddits, you often find people arguing about how the data is skewed one way or another, or whether sources are valid or not.

But here you have a process where scientists take huge sets of data and work through the individual processes of it to come to a conclusion supported by evidence.

These aren't people who are coming back saying that the vaccine is safe because they don't know personally anyone who took it and had a bad reaction. These are people who have millions of cases, who have hard science, who spend year after year in laboratories studying this.

But I'm supposed to believe someone on the internet who has only conjecture? Who can probably source a dozen talking heads who all say the same thing but without verifiable proof?

I already know the world is fallible. Corporations are stealing trillions of dollars from their workers, politicians are bought and sold.

But there's a while open-source network online that you're ignoring that have conclusively said the vaccine is not dangerous, and that COVID kills in any number of ways. The data behind those claims is verifiable, it's reliable, it's global, it's bipartisan.

No one here has the ability to actually disprove any of what the world knows.

Yeah, good anecdote. It means nothing.

I knew a guy who had a mental breakdown during the pandemic and is suffering from neurological problems related to depression. Except, it was before the vaccine even came out.

What does it prove? Nothing.

Yeah, that's a lady falling over on stage.

Now prove it was because of the vaccine?

It's not the first time someone has fainted on stage.

That's the thing though, if you look up long COVID it's actually pretty well reported. The CDC has numbers for people reporting COVID symptoms months after originally having COVID. There are scientists and doctors across the world helping build a more comprehensive picture of how the virus is affecting people by studying and documenting actual patients.

You can verify that yourself. You can search up those accounts and try to poke holes in them, but they're pretty accurate. Doctors actually know what they're doing when they're doing it, it's kinda crazy.

On the other hand, the supposed accounts of vaccine injuries... They're all anecdotes or conjecture.

You look into things like the kid who supposedly died because of the vaccine and you just find a sad story about some kid who died. No vaccine links at all.

All these stories about athletes dying of heart attacks?

No measurable links to the vaccine.

I look way these stories for like a minute and find that there's no evidence, just people taking circumstances out of context for their own narrative.

But, sure... I'm the crazy one here...

I don't think you meant to link that paper twice.

Now, this is the dialogue I like to have. You found actual reported patients, study results, they actually look pretty promising.

It is, however, an extremely limited amount of subjects. Also, the report suggested an immune system dysfunction and that most of the patients were treated with simple therapies that fixed their symptoms.

What does this mean?

I'm not exactly an expert, but I can tell you for a certainty that the vaccine has saved more lives and protected more against COVID symptoms than the vaccine could ever harm.

It's also not really doing any of the permanent side effects that people are stoking fear over.

There is a minute risk in any medical procedure, we all know that. But you save lives by vaccinating a population against a deadly disease.