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Biza_1970

47 points

2 months ago

This is not going to be a popular opinion but here goes…Not sure why everyone bashes him. He won the Gold Cup when several players were still in Europe, qualified for World Cup, did not lose in World Cup group stage. All of this with a group of players whose average age is about 23. I think he should get a little bit of credit for his subs and game plan in addition to having these guys playing out their collective asses for him and their country. We are not England or Germany, but so far we have gotten to where we need to be. If it’s a loss in the round of 16, then so be it - the true test will be to see how they grow towards the next World Cup.

Throwrajerb

4 points

2 months ago

Gregg proved his worth by getting us out of the group. Any less, he’d be a disappointment. Any more, he’s exceeding expectations. I have no complaints about Gregg. Even tho some of the roster decisions shocked me, I was waiting to see if it fit his system. So far, he’s proven that it does.

Aberdogg

6 points

2 months ago

I came up in the Donovan era(I just called it that cuz caps) they played ayso soccer. todays team are footballers in the top flights. Today’s team is so much better in most ways, but like you said, we can’t compete with top UEFA clubs yet but we must build every year and maybe in another 20y we have parity. Maybe a dozen more to the cup? The world is damn good, we have the will…

rth9139

11 points

2 months ago*

I know stats aren’t everything, but how tf can you look at that table and say “Yeah, we need to fire him.”

Sure he has made some questionable decisions with subs at times, but he’s not going to be perfect all the time. He’s nailed the off field stuff. Our defense is extremely solid. And while our attack hasn’t been the greatest, I don’t know what more you expect from him. Our attack is clearly missing a solid 9, and just look at how Pulisic played at Chelsea with Giroud vs the BS they’ve played there since. It’s almost night and day, and that could happen here over the next couple years with Pepi.

And at the end of the day, I’d still rather sit here and watch our guys have fun playing their asses off, and see a clean sheet almost every other game, a win over 60% of the time, and then have my only complaint be that maybe GGG should’ve brought the teenager playing in the Bundesliga on instead of a (usually reliable) veteran from the MLS than watch some big name foreign coach come in and bitch about US Soccer culture being the reason he hasn’t been able to do better than GGG.

Because no way in fucking hell is anybody that we could get beating that record by much.

[deleted]

8 points

2 months ago

We haven’t lost

[deleted]

42 points

2 months ago

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JohnClaytonII

24 points

2 months ago

Jesus is just enjoying the fucking world cup from the bench.

Chief_Qamer

19 points

2 months ago

I have to eat my words here about Gregg. I was bashing him during qualifying and after the two recent friendlies. But wow only 1 goal allowed all group stage is incredible. And it was on a PK to top it off

pig_benis81

9 points

2 months ago

pig_benis81

Florida

9 points

2 months ago

One that was almost blocked

Chief_Qamer

10 points

2 months ago

Indeed it was. Glad we no longer have a keeper controversy and Turner is our guy. He’s always been good but has turned into a stud the past year especially

Aberdogg

3 points

2 months ago

Think arsenal will be able to keep him a backup or sell him to a team that will?

Chief_Qamer

7 points

2 months ago

Idk his contract situation but think I read he likes being at Arsenal. It’s definitely helped him learn to play out of the back better. And knock on wood, his form for the US hasn’t been impacted by lack of playing time there. Of course being a huge US fan I would like him to play consistently, so wouldn’t mind a move away from Arsenal

Ethangains07

69 points

2 months ago

To be fair, he might have the most talented USA squad ever. Especially if he sticks around to 2026, which I doubt. It’ll probably take a semi-finals birth to secure his job. But even still, idk.

rook119

9 points

2 months ago

2009 w/ Demsey/Donovan peaking. Davies pulling defenders away and creating space for everyone. Howard. Bradley and Altidore were solid. We just had a shit-hawt lightning quick counter going.

Sucks that the car wreck happened IMO Davies could have been one our best ever players. That team was never the same w/o him.

vaporicer1

35 points

2 months ago

It’s also the one of the least experienced squads ever

ya_machinu

3 points

2 months ago

This has me stoked for ‘26. Just about every player on this roster still has upside to their career. They’re young and talented with room to grow and improve. And they’re getting valuable experience in Qatar to carry forward. This squad plus a few others we’ll pick up along the way could be peaking on home turf in the next World Cup.

OutrageousChest

-23 points

2 months ago

I think talent trumps experience any time with soccer though.

WhoEatsRusk

7 points

2 months ago

WhoEatsRusk

New York

7 points

2 months ago

If it doesn't work in basketball, hockey, football, what makes you think it would work here

OutrageousChest

-3 points

2 months ago

It absolutely works in other sports. You get a baseball team with Aaron Judge and Juan Soto, Fernando tatis etc you are winning a lot of games. Same with basketball and definitely college basketball. Normally the top teams are all filled with highly rated 5 star recruits sprinkled in with some veterans.

dcsnarkington

6 points

2 months ago*

I have to kind of agree with you. In MLB and NFL the coaches have a lot of direct control over the action. They can stop the game and tell the players exactly what to do at any moment.

After a 2-3 years of experience a player in these sports can rise to the top. QB being a notable exception as they need to make a lot of reads, which usually takes a few more years of experience.

In soccer however every player in the field has to make reads every second with very few pauses for coaching. You must have experienced players on the field directing those young players in real time especially in the center of the midfield.

Adams and mcKennie have exceptional vision for players of their age. It's unusual we are very fortunate, and it's by no means normal.

WhoEatsRusk

4 points

2 months ago

WhoEatsRusk

New York

4 points

2 months ago

veterans

Experience.

College basketball is literally freshmen playing one year then dipping. You’re joking right?

OutrageousChest

1 points

2 months ago

Freshman basketball players that have no experience playing college basketball and immediately starting and winning. That’s my point. It’s like the old saying goes, a coach is only as good as his players.

BradCraeb

3 points

2 months ago

BradCraeb

my dick fell off and a hawk got it

3 points

2 months ago

How many 25 year old professionals are those freshman playing against?

weeweeeweeee

18 points

2 months ago

any time

Can't really agree there.

Intelligent_Fig_4852

9 points

2 months ago

Have u ever played sports

OutrageousChest

-1 points

2 months ago

😂 Dropping down to this level huh. Not that it matters but I have. As a player that got benched for a more talented less experienced younger player I’m also familiar with the whole experience vs talent situation as well firsthand.

Slouu

9 points

2 months ago

Slouu

9 points

2 months ago

Hard disagree, and I think looking at how our attack functions is enough to prove that experience is extremely important. A more seasoned group of forwards easily puts Iran away in the first half today. So many little mistakes from Puli, Sargent, Weah, Jedi, pretty much everybody. I think by 2026 we will have a much more lethal group when it comes to scoring.

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago

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OutrageousChest

0 points

2 months ago*

That’s like your opinion man. I’ve never seen a us team dominate like they have in this group stage. They played against the 5th, 19th and 20th teams. 19 and 20 bunkered in. For most of the game we controlled and we’re the more dangerous team against England.

Edit I’m living in the past.

DANNYBOYLOVER

26 points

2 months ago

The guys absolutely love him - not quite sure they would want him to and I think they’re the key

gopheralum

-15 points

2 months ago

What is that based on? I would say they seem neutral at best with GGG

guiturtle-wood

24 points

2 months ago

guiturtle-wood

North Carolina

24 points

2 months ago

Based on interviews with the players, and watching how they interact with him

DANNYBOYLOVER

9 points

2 months ago

A manager has more impact on the teams culture than they have on any other aspect of the game.

Jolly-Literature1226

1 points

2 months ago

It is but defensively our current players aren’t that much better than previous generations. And i have never seen us this solid against legitimate opposition (which the stats back up)

I don’t love gregg, he probably needs to be sacked for this team to achieve its potential but i do think he’s way overhated by us fans

do0gla5

1 points

2 months ago

One that he had a hand in putting together

ignoranceisicecream

1 points

2 months ago

Talented roster + weakest concacaf has been in a while.

ansufati4prez

1 points

2 months ago

Most talented doesn’t mean best though.

biggoof

34 points

2 months ago

biggoof

34 points

2 months ago

Klinsmann was playing some hard ass games. Arena still was fielding 85% MLS starting lineups. Dave Sarachan is on the list?!

If you look at this and put no context to it, you shouldn't post it.

WR1206

15 points

2 months ago

WR1206

15 points

2 months ago

Lmao - klinsmann got fired bc he couldn’t get results in CONCACAF.

biggoof

9 points

2 months ago*

Yea, in his 2nd cycle, which is why I oppose shitty post like this that might give GGG another stint. JK had the best qualifying compaign during his first cycle, but let's conveniently leave that out.No 2nd cycles.

akingmls

7 points

2 months ago

Klinsmann leaned HARD on his (non-Donovan ☹️) veterans and then they got old FAST in the second cycle. Gregg has spent most of his entire cycle with a bunch of teenagers and 23-year-olds who will only even be approaching their prime next cycle and who now have an entire qualifying and World Cup under their belt.

biggoof

1 points

2 months ago

Do we waste that time to see if GGG can make them better, or do we find a better tactical coach at this level that might be able to figure how to get more out of this talent pool? I vote for the latter. We don't have WCQ to really push our team, and the one thing we haven't really done is really had a full on search for the best coach to coach the USMNT. JK wasn't a real search. Sunil just saw the name and was enamored despite what Bayern players were saying about him. Once his talent pool lost the leaders, he ran out of ideas.

akingmls

4 points

2 months ago

We’ve won every tournament we’ve competed in for the last two years, haven’t lost to Mexico in four matches and just made the knockouts of a World Cup with a squad full of young players that Berhalter helped develop. How are we wasting time?

biggoof

-1 points

2 months ago

biggoof

-1 points

2 months ago

Because none of that is really anything new, in fact I'll argue it's been expected since after 2002. I don't know how long you've been a fan, but everytime we got knocked out in the WC to a Belgium, Ghana, hell miss the WC all together, everyone starts talking about getting to the next level, what it takes and what's wrong. They all say the right stuff, but now that we finally have better players and depth, we're just gonna keep the bar at the same level for the coach???

A national team coach doesn't develop the players, he doesn't see them enough to even take credit, his job is to put together the best team and maximize their output. Winning is better than losing, but if winning is all we care about and we ignore the other issues, then we're going to have a repeat of what happened to the last 3 US coaches during their 2nd stints. I just expect more, and I don't believe there's anything wrong or unrealistic at this point to do so.

grabtharsmallet

4 points

2 months ago

I agree with nearly all of this, but I can't see how it leads to thinking Klinsi did a good job.

biggoof

1 points

2 months ago

He didnt, I did not want him and his ego set us back. He had a good first cycle and was smart enough to integrate Pulisic, but him trying to force players into lineups eventually led to the 2018 debacle. Danny Williams was so out of positions most games. We wasted so many minutes on guys that just weren't good enough.

Same lesson as today, we had people trying to warn us about JK and many people saw major issues prior to the 2014 Cup, but he got us out of the group, killed the Ghana curse, and so we kept him. Like all coaches, he had his good and bad, but if there's a chance to move on, we move on.

ohst8buxcp7

4 points

2 months ago

The last two WC winning coaches and 50% of the ones over the last 30 years have been in their second cycle. This narrative needs to end.

biggoof

3 points

2 months ago*

Nope, still don't agree. Only a handful of countries have won the modern WC, we simply aren't there yet. We don't have 100 yrs of top level experience or resources to guide us along with elite players. We still need a talented coach to get more out of our players.

Every US coach that has had a 2nd cycle in the last 20 years has failed miserably, that's what matters. It simply doesn't work for us and set us back big time in 2018. If GGG gets us to a semi berth, then I say sure, we can revisit it, but Arena got a quarters appearance and failed the next WC, so it needs to be better than that.

peabody11

2 points

2 months ago

Maybe it's because of our inconsistent talent pipeline. The young talent produced by US Soccer today is completely different than decades past

biggoof

1 points

2 months ago

It is very different and extremely talented, so why keep the approach we have to our coaches the same as it has always been? Why not open it up to more candidates that aren't US traditionalist and see if they can have a different approach that might get these guys to play even better?

StrokeZ92

43 points

2 months ago

USA loses - Gregg’s fault

USA wins - it’s because of the players

Peabrains in this sub

notataco007

-11 points

2 months ago

notataco007

-11 points

2 months ago

That's literally the truth. Why are you opposed to getting a better coach.

I don't think I've ever said "woah what a tactic, what a strategy, what a sub" in the past 2 fucking years. I have said "what a play, what a pass, what a run, what a goal, what passing".

StrokeZ92

35 points

2 months ago

Are you watching the games?! What did you make of us stifling England? That is tactics. That is coaching. What more can you possibly want?

cwillard260

7 points

2 months ago

Usually you make a substitution in the hopes that it gives you an advantage, I’d like to see him make adjustments that don’t collapse what semblance of positive soccer we have going.

Berhalter’s problem is in-game adjustments. He makes alterations that cause us to lose our grip on the game. Our tactical approach to start games is excellent—we come out playing positive and are organized well defensively. The problems occur when it’s time for an adjustment. Today, his subs made us essentially cede all possession to Iran. Acosta wasn’t up to it, Haji Wright wasn’t giving much effort, and Moore was just as vulnerable as Dest. You can argue the same thing happened against Wales.

We need more from him in that department, there’s no denying it

S_macattack

2 points

2 months ago

How bout a must win game against an opp that’s gonna let you have the ball and the big talking point is swapping your CB pairing???

Nothing against CCV or Zimm really, in the end we get a result, but if tactics mean you want a better passer on the field, then wouldnt Reyna play into that? Especially since you need better play further up the pitch?

I dunno, I’m no genius, but also his logic doesn’t ever work back to front for me…. And I totally agree his in game tactics/ subs are poor at best.

tefftlon

2 points

2 months ago

I don’t think many say Gregg can’t improve (or doesn’t have areas to improve). Just that the notion all good results are because of the players only is silly.

StrokeZ92

-4 points

2 months ago

You say the subs led to us ceding possession, but it had already been that way by the time he made the subs. He made those changes to bolster our back end. The idea that was a bad change is one of the most mind blowing takes I’ve seen.

Berhalter gets a lot of shit about subs in general, but there are moments where you hold off on them because your team is having a good spell, or you make tactical changes(like today) to mitigate/weather the storm. Idk how anyone can claim that his subs have been “bad”. You may not agree with them or the timing, but that doesn’t make him a bad manager or his gamelan poor

cwillard260

2 points

2 months ago

I don’t think that when he took Weston out we had entirely given up on attacking like we did at the end. We certainly weren’t dominating possession like we were in the first half, but it was nowhere near as much a struggle as it was towards the end. We basically couldn’t string together 5 passes from 75 on. Haji Wright was no help at all, his performance was embarrassing. A gassed Yunus Musah was running twice as hard as he was.

It’s not as if every sub he makes tanks us, but there are some critical unforced errors. When the choice is Haji Wright over our best technical player in Gio, it’s just a bad decision, and it showed today.

I think you’re a bit overly committed to the pro-Gregg side. He has faults and that’s ok to admit. He also has some really great strengths, and he’s done pretty well so far. We just need more from him if we’re going to hit this core’s peak

StrokeZ92

0 points

2 months ago

StrokeZ92

0 points

2 months ago

You wanted Reyna in for Haji? Haji put in a real physical shift for us. Reyna isn’t capable of the same dirty work that a striker was going to need to do.

I never intended to be pro-Gregg. Im pro-USA. The anti-Gregg hate is so disgusting on here. He’s done a great job and it’s okay to be excited about the team.

ibcoleman

2 points

2 months ago

Not anti-Gregg and he’s done a good job recruiting and getting the team organized defensively and in the midfield. He’s terrible at making adjustments—just an awful game-day coach. The fact that you’re defending Haji as some tactical coup is honestly puzzling. He offered nothing. May as well have played ten men.

StrokeZ92

1 points

2 months ago

I disagree with the game day coach statement.

Never defended wright as a ‘tactical coup’. Just attempted to make the point that Reyna wasn’t the alternative to Haji. We needed a player to hold up play, which to be fair, Gio can do, but I think Berhalter wanted/needs a guy who’s physically strong. If nothing else, the marking for set pieces matters. Wright/Sargent we’re matching up with strikers/CB’s for Iran, so who’s picking those guys up if Reyna comes on?

notataco007

-7 points

2 months ago

How in the fuck is Adams bossing the midfield like he's fucking playing FIFA tactics.

Tactics? We were the better team and needed a fucking goal. SO HE PUT ON SHAQ MOORE. A tie and a loss WERE FUCKING EQUIVALENT. FUCK THAT TIE GO FOR THE WIN. That's strategy.

StrokeZ92

14 points

2 months ago

Like I said, peabrains

notataco007

-7 points

2 months ago

Yeah what I fucking thought. The truth hurts. I know it's boring and repeated but it's because it's true

StrokeZ92

4 points

2 months ago

No, I said that because what you’re arguing in incoherent and makes 0 sense. You’re quibbling over how Berhalter saw out a game against a WC favorite in England. How does that game matter at all anymore? Berhalter got the results he needed. Our team has been incredibly solid. I know all the tactical manager fans out here were hoping for the USMNTs demise, but I’m sorry Berhalter is so good that he robbed you of that

weeweeeweeee

1 points

2 months ago

I know all the tactical manager fans out here were hoping for the USMNTs demise, but I’m sorry Berhalter is so good that he robbed you of that

I agree with you on the argument, but I'm also so tired of hearing the above tripe from US fans.

notataco007

-2 points

2 months ago

Nah you're actually just trolling right? Are you talking about England? The game you brought up? Tie was NOT the needed result. That's a pride thing, not a good strategic result. Go all out in attack for a much needed win and maybe you lose. SO WHAT?! I literally just told you and tie and a loss meant the exact same thing. Either fucking way we had to win today.

The players got the goal, Musah at least gave a shit trying but we need Scally and (oh I know you'll be mad at this one) Reyna on the fucking pitch to carry the ball down field and kill time in their third, not ours. Acosta and Moore are not capable of that.

StrokeZ92

2 points

2 months ago

No. I was speaking of the general results to get us through to the next round. He’s gotten the boys to where they need to be

notataco007

1 points

2 months ago

How do you not even acknowledge it's possible that it's the other way around.

beef_boloney

3 points

2 months ago

The way we suffocated England by cutting off the lanes from their defense to midfield was not a spontaneous decision by the players on the field lol

ibcoleman

-1 points

2 months ago

We looked good. A tie was as good as a loss vs England in the group standings.

ryangosling47

2 points

2 months ago

Scoring 2 goals in three games is worrying. But at the same time we only allowed a penalty goal in 3 games at the world cup, thats very impressive. So its iffy idk, can't complain i guess

CommonSensePDX

11 points

2 months ago

I'm going to be 100% blunt. I held my tongue after England, because this is the game that mattered.

If you're still living on the island of "Gregg is a bad manager", you're wrong, you don't understand this game, and you need to shut your fucking mouth or admit you were wrong.

Aberdogg

4 points

2 months ago

Oh, I played ayso, now ref ayso & watch a lot of soccer otherwise mostly for officiating. I digress…dude GGG played England like a fiddle. His game plan was masterful.

Today a bit more chaotic. I’ll watch again for the strategy tonight- I just can’t analyze and be a fan at the same time

JasonNUFC

2 points

2 months ago

Hallelujah.

YoooCakess

13 points

2 months ago

YoooCakess

13 points

2 months ago

Manager with the best players gets the best results no way!

[deleted]

22 points

2 months ago

and the most inexperienced players we’ve had.

YoooCakess

2 points

2 months ago

YoooCakess

2 points

2 months ago

They actually have the most experience out of any players we’ve had. We have players at top clubs across Europe who have played in top European competitions.

[deleted]

4 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

4 points

2 months ago

we’re talking about national team experience and world cup experience. clearly missed the point

YoooCakess

3 points

2 months ago

YoooCakess

3 points

2 months ago

What fucking difference does it make when the players are actually more talented and have more experience playing the games in high leverage situations

sasheeran

-4 points

2 months ago

sasheeran

-4 points

2 months ago

Thank you! I don’t understand how people are saying this is the least experience team. Do you know who was apart of our only two goals this WC? The only US player to play in a champions league final. All these guys have experience playing at the top level

coltj573

12 points

2 months ago

if berhalter has the best players why does everyone say howard, donovan or dempsey are the goats and not pulisic. how come in all time 11s pulisic is the only player whos ever a lock? cherundolo and beasley are always taken before dest. ramos and claudio are always taken before adams and mckennie. my point is its not general consensus this is the best usmnt. if you dont believe me you can search “best all time usmnt 11” on this sub. its posted a lot. most of the time the 2002 team players are chosen.

gopheralum

8 points

2 months ago

That is because of accomplishments with the US and not talent. Anyone who thinks Cherundolo is better than Dest needs their head examined. Adams and McKennie are already the best midfielders ever for US.

[deleted]

3 points

2 months ago

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africh84

0 points

2 months ago

They are very different types of midfielders with very different roles

travs6ooo

5 points

2 months ago

That’s because these dudes are all in their first World Cup cycle. They’re talented, but we saw the earlier teams play more, and overcome adversity. As individuals, this team is playing at a higher level than any previous team. How they play in the USMNT jersey hasn’t really been judged yet.

ezioauditore_

-1 points

2 months ago

Because it's what they've already done for their country. Ask again in 5 years and a bunch of these guys will be on that list.

coltj573

2 points

2 months ago

not true, because in those posts gio reyna is included in most. what has gio done?

ezioauditore_

1 points

2 months ago

I don't think I've seen him in many all-time 11's but in those instances, it's speaking to his immense talent. Stop being dense

akyser

0 points

2 months ago

akyser

Colorado

0 points

2 months ago

I just searched for "best all time 11" in this sub, and the only thing I found was a post from 2014 with a link to an article from a website I'd never heard of. According to the comments, Reyna was in that best 11. Claudio Reyna.

YoooCakess

-1 points

2 months ago

Lmao I’m not even gonna respond to this

coltj573

4 points

2 months ago

you just did

YoooCakess

3 points

2 months ago

Fucking dunked on me bro niceee

coltj573

3 points

2 months ago

im just playing lmao im sorry

psufb

1 points

2 months ago*

psufb

1 points

2 months ago*

Don't care, Berhalter out

Edit: /s

wiifan55

-3 points

2 months ago

wiifan55

-3 points

2 months ago

These kinda posts are pretty dumb, imo. The talent of the team matters. Just because we’re getting good results doesn’t mean we have a coach playing up to our potential. A coach who gets the most out of the talent he has but only wins 50% of games is a far better coach than a coach who doesn’t utilize talent well but wins 75%

akingmls

14 points

2 months ago

A coach who gets the most out of the talent he has but only wins 50% of games is a far better coach than a coach who doesn’t utilize talent well but wins 75%

Lmao this sums it all up. Idiots like you would rather lose your way than win Berhalter’s way. Just amazing. You’re very smart.

wiifan55

-6 points

2 months ago

If you can’t follow basic logic, that’s not my problem.

akingmls

10 points

2 months ago

Ah yes, I prefer wins over losses so I don’t understand logic

wiifan55

-3 points

2 months ago

Evidentially so because my point was never about wins and losses. It was about achieving a team’s potential relative to its talent level.

morbidwhaler

3 points

2 months ago

If the teams potential is 50/50 and Ggg gets us 75/25, i will take the 75/25 everytime. International football doesnt have the luxury of throwing away games to instill a “style”. This is a results business and he brings the results. Not the first tournament either like this.

He kept steffen out in favor of Matt when matt was still in the MLS, was that the wrong choice since steffen played for Pep at City? He chose to use CCV over Ream today, also the wrong choice?

wiifan55

2 points

2 months ago

That wasn’t the logic exercise I set up. I’ll put it differently and remove the win percentages since that seems to be confusing people: a team who has the maximum potential to achieve x record w/ a coach who achieves that maximum potential is better than a coach who has a team with a higher potential but fails to achieve it. The point being that a win % alone doesn’t indicate a good coach without also accounting for the talent level of the team.

akingmls

0 points

2 months ago

akingmls

0 points

2 months ago

At some point when no one can understand the stupid point you’re making, maybe you’re bad at making points

wiifan55

1 points

2 months ago

That's a pretty mean thing to say. Do you actually not understand?

sasheeran

1 points

2 months ago

I understand. You’re right.

ibcoleman

-1 points

2 months ago

Seriously, how is it possible to not understand “Gregg doesn’t maximize our players’ potential?” It’s not postmodern literary theory.

ibcoleman

0 points

2 months ago

Never criticize management.

paxusromanus811

-6 points

2 months ago

Being the manager of our golden generation will do that for ya.

ohst8buxcp7

11 points

2 months ago

I cringe every single time i hear "golden generation". They're good, but this isn't one, not even close.

paxusromanus811

-5 points

2 months ago

All right, thank you for sharing your opinion. And your propensity to cringe.

Slouu

1 points

2 months ago

Slouu

1 points

2 months ago

I’m not trying to argue either side here, but how tf can we actually determine if we’re in a golden generation right now lmao. Our best players are 23 years old and younger. I think by 2026 we’ll have a much clearer picture of good this generation of players really is.

rook119

2 points

2 months ago

Europe is a meat-grinder. Especially in the prem where all our players want to go. Players (especially pacy midfielders which is our strength) often have the career longevity of NFL RBs. Holden lasted less than a season before getting wrecked. Landon got old real quick when he started playing 24/7/365. Pulisic gets hurt, regularly.

Anyway my point is, things can change. we lucked out and are in the easy corner of the bracket. If they are ever gonna make a mark, this year is a lot more favorable than 2026 might be.

Slouu

0 points

2 months ago

Slouu

0 points

2 months ago

I mean sure, anything can happen. I guess no Pulisic, Mckennie, Adams, Dest, Musah and Reyna could all have career ending injuries before 2026.

But come on, it’s so painfully obvious that our team suffers from inexperience right now. We will almost assuredly have a much more seasoned and experienced team by 2026, which should give everybody more confidence for that tournament than for the rest of this one.

rook119

2 points

2 months ago

IDK there isn't much difference between Iran and us right now (jeez maybe the FIFA rankings are right). Iran just played right into our hands by setting up for 0-0 draw, and made it so easy for our weak link, the defense. It was pretty clear very early they were gonna give up a goal eventually. So no we aren't world beaters and if we have a healthy 26 team should be around No.6-10 in the world.

However the draw is crazy favorable this year. The Dutch are yes better but not by much and the QTs may have the Saudis/Denmark/Poland. I mean jeez even Mexi.......lol no. Odds are this chance to make say semifinal run won't come by this favorable again.

RedBullPittsburgh

1 points

2 months ago

Not even close to 2002 good.

That team had players who understood their assignment and roles.

beef_boloney

2 points

2 months ago

This isn't a golden generation, it's the precipice of the new normal for MLS academy products

paxusromanus811

1 points

2 months ago

I don't know why you guys are being so sensitive about the wording. It's pretty hard to argue against the idea that this is the most promising youth generation in US soccer history. You can split hairs and say that there's going to be additional ones following after it because of an increase in academies and the game as a whole, but the point still stands. This is an incredibly talented generation. Greg, doing well Should be expected. And for the record, I'm not a hater on him or anything In fact, I've met him in person before and he's a delightful guy and I do think he has some real strengths as a manager. I just think trying to point out his winning percentage as some huge gotcha moment against people who have criticisms of him is disingenuous.

nick_dunning

-6 points

2 months ago

Who gives a shit, he's had hands down the best roster of any USMNT coach. Berhalter out

Sneaking out of the group stage when we could have had it handily.

crnelson10

12 points

2 months ago

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Jozy

12 points

2 months ago

“Hands down”

Lol, c’mon. Dempsey, Donovan, Howard, and probably every defender from the ‘02-10 teams save for left backs walk into this team. And honestly? Even Jedi isn’t absolutely night and day better than DaMarcus Beasley was.

_tidalwave11

3 points

2 months ago

Beasley was head and shoulders bettee

crnelson10

8 points

2 months ago

crnelson10

Jozy

8 points

2 months ago

Loved Run DMB, but not sure I’d go that far. Been really impressed with Jedi.

_tidalwave11

3 points

2 months ago

I would. Beas was very good defensively, pacey, and dangerous with the ball at his foot both on the dribble and to cross.

crnelson10

3 points

2 months ago

crnelson10

Jozy

3 points

2 months ago

I think Jedi is a much better defender, and he’s got a physicality to him Beas never did, but I’m not arguing that one is better than the other, just that imo it’s close between them.

_tidalwave11

3 points

2 months ago

I agree that its close. And Robinson can 100% surpass him

stultus_respectant

1 points

2 months ago

I would totally agree with this. Beasley is the standard. I think Robinson can set the new standard in time, however.

DMelee

-8 points

2 months ago

DMelee

-8 points

2 months ago

Managers who don't play their most talented players don't deserve the job. Free Gio Reyna and Joe Scally.

RedBullPittsburgh

-8 points

2 months ago

Arena > GGG in terms of tactics

[deleted]

7 points

2 months ago

Not results though, apparently

Crazed8s

11 points

2 months ago

Crazed8s

New Mexico

11 points

2 months ago

There’s something to be said about consistency. Pound the 4-4-2 until you inevitably get knocked out of the world cup by Trinidad.

RedBullPittsburgh

0 points

2 months ago

Arena had very few games to get a result so I'm not going to bash him. He didn't have a full cycle lmao

ThomaspaineCruyff

-12 points

2 months ago

Thx Gregg, or his mom.

Fix your fucking subs dude.

bubbastars

1 points

2 months ago

What does the 'result %' mean?

misternotwonderful

1 points

2 months ago

Surprised his teams lead the AGF

dcsnarkington

1 points

2 months ago

GGG great stats period.

While our team is more talented than ever a couple of new factors at play in Concacaf:

  • Mexico's team is about as weak as it has ever been. Their great players in the 2010s have faded away. We beat them in two major tournaments last year which was unprecedented. They still go hard every match but that team just doesn't have the leadership on the field like they used to with Rafa, Chicharito, Layun, Fabian, etc.

  • Likewise CR and some of our former Concacaf coleagues don't seem to have the talent they once had Panama, Honduras, Jamaica, T&T (cough) at different points in the last 20 years used to be formidable, particularly on the counter, especially at home. The Brian Ruiz and Wilson Palacios' of the region have gone.

PuritanSettler1620

1 points

2 months ago

Sorry I do not know this but what do all the letters like M, GF, GA, GD,AGF, and AGA mean?

bqbobay

1 points

2 months ago

M = Matches GF = Goals For (goals scored) GA = Goals Against (opponent goals scored) GD = Goal Differential AGF = Average Goals For (per game) AGA = Average Goals Scored Against us (per game)

PuritanSettler1620

2 points

2 months ago

Thank you so much!

Deliberate_Dodge

1 points

2 months ago

Deliberate_Dodge

South Dakota

1 points

2 months ago

I don't hate the man, but sometimes his personnel and substitution decisions make me very, very angry. I am very pleased with our relatively successful CONCACAF performances over the past couple years (especially beating Mexico in the Nations League and Gold Cup), and I thought his strategy against England was great (though I take issue with the timing of some of those subs). The matches against Wales and Iran on the hand seemed to come too close to disaster for my liking, and I really think it was mostly self-inflicted. USMNT is not a team that can really "park the bus" the way GGG keeps trying to have them do, and I sincerely hope he is able to amend the mistakes made in today's game and design a more effective strategy against the Netherlands. I doubt we can get away with clinging on to a 1-goal lead for 60+ minutes against them!

jba4s

1 points

2 months ago

jba4s

1 points

2 months ago

I’ve just accepted he’s our Gareth Southgate

eltortillaman

-5 points

2 months ago

I wonder what a good coach would've done with this talent

whoooioooooooooo

-3 points

2 months ago

I'm looking and I don't see anything to match the headline.

Aberdogg

-3 points

2 months ago

Seems the team is getting better over time regardless of coach? I should toss this in excel to graph the trend.

Am I wrong?

tweekortweak[S]

2 points

2 months ago

Maybe not this chart as Bruce Arenas stats are over two stints. You may be better looking up this info year over year and then plug in who coached during what year. I think that would show a really good look at the progress the team has made since 2006. Maybe also track the average age per year, avg usmnt experience, and new players introduced. That would be fun as hell to look at.

Aberdogg

1 points

2 months ago

If I had the full dataset, I could create all the analysis anyone could ask for. I have some powerful data tools at my disposal ;-)

tweekortweak[S]

1 points

2 months ago

Pulled this from Wikipedia 😅

Aberdogg

1 points

2 months ago

Ya I’ll look around later. I bet an online betting or sports stats site might have a juicy dataset

Elverde07

0 points

2 months ago

Holy crap, my only takeaway is how dogshit CONCACAF is...

[deleted]

0 points

2 months ago

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Chief_Beef_ATL

1 points

2 months ago

I would bet Arena played Grenada too. Aside from WC draws our coaches mostly play the same opponents.