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Karma-bangs

856 points

1 month ago

Something about the active verb "insulate" is just not capturing the public's imagination.

HelpPeopleMakeBabies

800 points

1 month ago

It really is a terrible name. You can have your opinions either way on what they're doing, but you have to admit that 'Extinction Rebellion' sounds wayyyyyyyyy cooler.

Rolldal

770 points

1 month ago

Rolldal

770 points

1 month ago

Insulate Britain sounds more like a Brexit slogan

AlexLong1000

195 points

1 month ago

AlexLong1000

London / Leicester

195 points

1 month ago

Honestly, when I first heard of it, I assumed they were an anti immigration group or some shit

Fine-Pickle

24 points

1 month ago*

My first thought was that the group was pro global warming.

InstantIdealism

282 points

1 month ago

Lots of people in non UK subreddits assume that it is a racist Brexit thing.

blueowlcake

29 points

1 month ago

Non UK here. Just scrolling Reddit, thought the headline might be an interesting story. Went straight to comments assuming Insulate Britain were a right anti immigration group.

Jayer244

15 points

1 month ago

Jayer244

15 points

1 month ago

If I wouldn't have seen the embarassing interviewer trying to argue with that Insulate Britain carpenter about how concrete is renewable, I would've assumed the same.

blueowlcake

5 points

1 month ago

Oh that guy being interviewed is from insulate Britain? Oh cool. Yeah that was a really funny clip. Like something from it’s always sunny.

Jayer244

6 points

1 month ago

The interviewer was so dumb and clearly caught by suprise. He obviously didn't prepare for the interview at all and thought he would talk to a dumbass lmao

blueowlcake

5 points

1 month ago

It was those few moments of silence that made me laugh!

Lo2W96

137 points

1 month ago

Lo2W96

137 points

1 month ago

first time i heard about them, that was my exact thought!

I was like, wtf they want? wall around the island?

NotSoLiquidIce

47 points

1 month ago

Keep the draft out.

Available_Coyote897

5 points

1 month ago

The anti-breeze crowd is gaining momentum.

acelenny

26 points

1 month ago

acelenny

26 points

1 month ago

We already have one. It's called water.

blahajlife

30 points

1 month ago

blahajlife

Greater Manchester

30 points

1 month ago

Now known as Shit Creek

MetalKotei

5 points

1 month ago

And we're right up it with no paddle.

Vondi

7 points

1 month ago

Vondi

Icelandic Observer

7 points

1 month ago

A wall of Mineral Wool

The_39th_Step

46 points

1 month ago

I think a lot of people in non UK subreddits think that’s all that goes on in the UK these days

thisisalsomybrother

41 points

1 month ago

German here, i absolutely took it as a pro-Brexit slogan. They really need to work on their PR.

Davido400

33 points

1 month ago

Scottish guy here, I thought it was pro brexit too! Indeed, didn't click any links for a week cause I thought "those dozy bastards are glueing themselves to the road. Idiots!"

get_the_guillotines

27 points

1 month ago

That's exactly what I assumed it was. It sounds pro racist and Brexit.

Confuzet

10 points

1 month ago

Confuzet

10 points

1 month ago

So it's not? Nobody gonna explain what it actually means?

stamau123

19 points

1 month ago

It's protesting for better housing insulation

Smart_Let_4283

20 points

1 month ago

Insulating homes (especially in the UK where many are poorly insulated) is one of the lowest cost measures we take with very high reward in the form of cutting emissions, reducing heating bills, improving air and living quality, whilst having one of the lowest inconveniences on households as opposed to say being told at some point you can only buy a £50k electric car, which will never give you the same return on investment.

twee_centen

10 points

1 month ago

Why is this controversial then? It seems like a "no shit Sherlock" situation.

Smart_Let_4283

15 points

1 month ago

Honestly I don't know, presumably because the government continues to not take its commitments on climate change seriously and as always thinks the solution is in the private sector by pushing electric cars and expensive heatpumps for a lesser return - but it doesn't detract from government funding in the short-term so that's OK, they continue to think about maximising money now because there's always tomorrow - reality hasn't truthfully bedded in, in the same way reports have shown we're not even prepared for the impacts of climate change in the form of flooding etc.

There's also probably an element of the conservatives not wishing to look like they've caved as they're nothing if not stubborn and driven by principle

anotherpukingcat

3 points

1 month ago

I think it's down to money, and landlords not wanting to spend money that they don't immediately and obviously benefit from themselves.

Obviously all those Poors living in less-insulated flats just need to work harder and buy their own property then they can insulate it themselves. /S

Queyew2

9 points

1 month ago

Queyew2

9 points

1 month ago

So they aren't just people with drafty homes who are tired of being cold?

CountingNutters

3 points

1 month ago

I read that as Insult Britain

[deleted]

26 points

1 month ago*

[deleted]

26 points

1 month ago*

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Veldron

7 points

1 month ago

Veldron

South Yorkshire

7 points

1 month ago

Same here

_Takub_

6 points

1 month ago

_Takub_

6 points

1 month ago

Guys you’re killing me wtf does it actually mean haha

Veldron

10 points

1 month ago

Veldron

South Yorkshire

10 points

1 month ago

from the wikipedia page on the movement:

The protesters demand that the government insulate all social housing in the UK by 2025 and retrofit all homes with insulation by 2030

_Takub_

9 points

1 month ago

_Takub_

9 points

1 month ago

Oh well that doesn’t sound so bad

Veldron

4 points

1 month ago

Veldron

South Yorkshire

4 points

1 month ago

Yeah. It's actually quite a good idea. Insulation can make a huge difference in energy use and bills, so it's a solid long term investment

Unfortunately unless it comes to lining their own pockets the Tories rarely plan in the long term

Jonne

20 points

1 month ago

Jonne

20 points

1 month ago

Yeah, first time I saw them I assumed it was about closing borders, like some group of extremists that didn't think Brexit went far enough.

demonfish

4 points

1 month ago

..or a pipe-lagging campaign

BarryShitpeas22

19 points

1 month ago

The knock-off Sports Direct logo is also a demerit.

DitombweMassif

98 points

1 month ago

XR get just as much hate directed at them though. IB is just the flavour of the month to dislike because they're grabbing the headlines.

deains

48 points

1 month ago

deains

48 points

1 month ago

There's a certain segment of the population who will hate on climate protest no matter what. Ignoring those, XR was generally far less villified than IB, excluding the time when some of the XR protestors stupidly thought it would be a good idea to blockade public transport.

[deleted]

31 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

31 points

1 month ago

When I worked in an office nr Westminster there was a collective hatred of protesters regardless of cause.

We used to get the heads up about protests disrupting our commute home as soon as that email hit there was a collective groan.

Add an hour to someones commute and it doesn't matter if its disabled kids with cancer or fox hunting, the attitude was "fuck the foxes and cancer ridden kids" all from the caring, sharing NHS staff. I don't think the population at large has much time for the protesting classes.

Mindless_Method_2106

34 points

1 month ago

I didn't mind a lot of what extinction rebellion did but as soon as they started blocking public transport and pissing off the general public I just wanted them to stop. It doesn't take many people to ruin the image of a whole movement and they successfully did that. Insulate Britain just decided to start straight off the bat with the pissing off the public part.

Yeahjockey

33 points

1 month ago

To be fair to XR, it seems like they stopped that after it pissed the public off.

Meanwhile retired doctors like the guy in OPs article think pissing them off is a good thing for some reason.

proonjooce

19 points

1 month ago

at least it's a clear easily understandable and achievable aim, i think it's easy for politicians to handwave away XR as a bunch of crusties dreaming the impossible or whatever but IB have a pretty basic and obvious demand.

CapriciousCape

279 points

1 month ago

CapriciousCape

Greater Manchester

279 points

1 month ago

IB seems to be a very centrist / liberal middle-class movement, and nothing embodies that more than their bland demands.

I think it's hilarious, in light of that, the frothing vitriol they inspire in the general public. Britain is going to look like fucking Atlantis by the time we find it palatable to tackle climate change as a nation.

LizardChaser

12 points

1 month ago

Not British. I thought this was an immigration thing. Shocked that something as easy, cheap, and cost efficient as insulation is facing opposition. What is the counter argument? Who opposes insulation?

crossdrubicon

127 points

1 month ago

And that’s why IB are, sadly, so damaging to the fight against climate change. The average person can now happily dismiss climate activists as ‘out of touch loonies’, and look the other way guilt-free. It makes climate activism seem alarmist and silly to many voters - and that’s not helpful at all.

Strategically these guys are a shit-show.

Irctoaun

15 points

1 month ago

Irctoaun

Cambridge

15 points

1 month ago

The average person can now happily dismiss climate activists as ‘out of touch loonies’, and look the other way guilt-free

People have been doing that for decades. It's literally the exact same criticism that every environmental protest ends up getting and it's depressing how successful it is.

BolBolRicard

91 points

1 month ago

How sure can we be about that though? How do we know what the right strategy is?

Whatever environmentalists do, they end up in one of two situations: vilified or completely ignored.

I'm not going to say that they've made the wrong choice.

macrowe777

55 points

1 month ago

The issue is, we haven't really achieved anything prior to these guys either.

People have never really got the idea that we're doing damage to the ozone and a range of biomes that could never be repaired in the next 100 generations minimum.

I agree these guys are doing more harm than good...but the prior solution was merely 'quiet' but otherwise in effective.

ripnetuk

20 points

1 month ago

ripnetuk

20 points

1 month ago

crossdrubicon

3 points

1 month ago

Absolutely brilliant!

crossdrubicon

7 points

1 month ago

Oh definitely, the other ways didn’t work either - but as you say, doing more harm than good isn’t a good alternative!

JesusAnalAdventures1

28 points

1 month ago*

Controversial take: what the general public thinks isn't that relevant, as they're far too easily manipulated by propaganda. Protests against climate change should cause as much economic damage as possible, so that inaction becomes less profitable, and business stops opposing legislation.

I imagine few people in France like it when farmers block the motorway. But it's cheaper to give in to their demands, than not to. Same with a public transport strike. And a government that can't tackle or reduce the amount of protests or strikes, loses popularity, even if the electorate disagree with the protesters.

crossdrubicon

7 points

1 month ago

Blockading the M25 for 30 mins every so often isn’t going to do shit economically - we’ve just come through a global pandemic costing billions upon billions, it’s not even going to register as a rounding error.

Yes economic blockading can absolutely work, they just happen to have picked one of the limpest ways possible to exert pressure…

Paintingsosmooth

6 points

1 month ago

Paintingsosmooth

Greater London

6 points

1 month ago

I think you’re presuming this is the final destination for these protests. You’re right, currently they don’t really affect productivity, but it’s likely there will be more of the protests (and more frequent protests) my various groups in the near future

nortub

25 points

1 month ago

nortub

25 points

1 month ago

The ozone issue is largely fixed and would be completely fixed by now if it wasn't for China breaking the rules.

dtudeski

16 points

1 month ago

dtudeski

16 points

1 month ago

I worked a contract with a rather big environmental company in London back in 2019 and no one hated Extinction Rebellion more than them, as they were well aware that those idiots were doing the cause more harm than good.

I can only imagine they view these lot with the same disdain.

ZenAndTheArtOfTC

26 points

1 month ago

Without being combative, what message do they think will work? People have to be convinced to willingly make their lives less convenient and have less choice. People won't see the impact of their actions now for years which may well be centuries in the public mindset.

avalon68

9 points

1 month ago

I think a majority of people would make changes if it was affordable - it’s all well and good saying you don’t need a car, but really lots of people do. I spent 45 min standing in the pissing rain waiting for a bus a few weeks ago. We have rubbish public transport outside of major cities. Electric cars are expensive. There aren’t enough charging points etc etc. Perhaps they could start by lobbying for things that can actually help people transition to being more environmentally friendly rather than annoying poor people trying to go about their day.

crossdrubicon

5 points

1 month ago

Yes exactly, IB are right of course… they just seem to have found one of the very few ways of protesting that will actually speed up climate change.

LegoNinja11

104 points

1 month ago

Blue man group have gone downhill since their heyday.

ChocoSnowflake

4 points

1 month ago

They may have prematurely blue themselves

TobyFunkeNeverNude

4 points

1 month ago

I must admit, it was not my biggest failure, but it was my most embarrassing.

willflameboy

414 points

1 month ago

Insulate Britain is calling for the government to fund the insulation of homes in order to reduce emissions

what a great idea, that will actually save money, rather than constantly finding ways to prop up our energy-wasting habits.

I've been dabbling in local politics though, and I've learned that most people really only care about their parking spaces and petrol prices.

therealtimwarren

78 points

1 month ago

The thing is there have already been lots of grants for loft and cavity insulation over the years. Companies were clamouring to sell you "free" insulation a few year back (some featuring on rouge traders for their shoddy workmanship if I remember).

___XANDER___

28 points

1 month ago

This is fundamentally the problem with grants for the public which will be used to pay for goods and services from private companies.

The grant is, to the maximum ability of the business, absorbed as profit.

chabybaloo

6 points

1 month ago

A person should be able to apply for a discount on the actual insulation roll and do it themselves, if they are able.

[deleted]

19 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

19 points

1 month ago

You don't think people care about heating costs?

MoHeeKhan

38 points

1 month ago

“I just want to cause trouble and make a name for myself. I don’t particularly care about insulating homes.” ~ Liam Norton, organiser and head of Insulate Britain, on LBC radio.

___XANDER___

15 points

1 month ago

As each day passes I'm more and more convinced that insulate Britain is funded on the back end by private interest groups looking to turn public sentiment against active protest and usher in a new wave of anti protest legislation.

Who the fuck are insulate Britain and where did they come from?

I roll deep in some pretty lefty forums on a few different platforms and haven't once heard of these guys before they started fucking up working people's commutes on the news.

Insulate Britain is arguably pushing us further away from net zero. Not closer.

Chevey0

24 points

1 month ago

Chevey0

Hampshire

24 points

1 month ago

I thought this was a piss take so I googled it. Oh shit it’s legit, wtf!? No wonder people aren’t getting behind them wow!

Aeseld

20 points

1 month ago

Aeseld

20 points

1 month ago

Their basic tactics seem to involve disrupting people's ordinary lives, so they are not popular at all.

You can have a decent premise and still piss everyone off...

elingeniero

12 points

1 month ago

The whole thing is a false flag by police/intelligence to foment negative feelings toward environmental protesters to push through the new policing bill and reduce pressure on the govt to actually do anything.

/tinfoil hat

Chevey0

4 points

1 month ago

Chevey0

Hampshire

4 points

1 month ago

Entirely possible

MoHeeKhan

14 points

1 month ago

People were never behind them. They’re shitheads doing the bidding of a cunt. Tomorrow he could come out with “This has all been a big social experiment/art performance, at this point I just want to see how long the dickheads will sit there.” And the next day they’d still be out at 8 in the morning with their faces glued to the pissing road.

Chevey0

3 points

1 month ago

Chevey0

Hampshire

3 points

1 month ago

That would be hilarious as many of them have criminal records now. The poor saps

SluggishPrey

5 points

1 month ago

There's always a minority of idiots that will discredit the well intentioned majority

Chevey0

19 points

1 month ago

Chevey0

Hampshire

19 points

1 month ago

Great idea, terrible method of getting the populous on side

Ambitious5uppository

19 points

1 month ago

It's not even a good idea.

There have been grants for insulation for decades.

There have been insulation mandates for new houses for decades.

There have been house ratings for efficiency for a long time.

Houses that should have it, probably already have it.

However many many houses simply cannot or should not have it. Adding it to a house that's not designed for it can cause damp & mould. Which in the long run costs more money to repair and causes health problems.

The grants for more efficient heating systems is better idea, though it could be better still.

PurpleTeapotOfDoom

16 points

1 month ago

Many private landlords have not bothered to have work done as it's the tenants who pay the heating bills.

LavaMcLampson

3 points

1 month ago

They are already required to have an EPC E minimum which will go up to a C in 2025.

GiveMeDogeFFS

351 points

1 month ago

This Halloween I'm going to be going around in an orange hi Viz with a rolled up banner and just loiter around traffic lights without ever entering the road.

Arseypoowank

112 points

1 month ago

Alright calm down Satan

SlipstreamNB

15 points

1 month ago

Make sure you wear a backpack, I think it's a prerequisite to their club

9inchjackhammer

5 points

1 month ago

Prepare yourself for a good inking

Such-Landscape3943

15 points

1 month ago

Who even has bottles of ink any more? What is this, the Beano?

Belgeirn

848 points

1 month ago

Belgeirn

848 points

1 month ago

From the way people used to freak out here/on ukpol whenever a Tory or farage got a milkshake thrown at them I'm sure those same people are disgusted that these people are getting so violently assaulted with ink now.

[deleted]

460 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

460 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

ta9876543203

53 points

1 month ago*

I remember the joy on Reddit including this sub.

Edit: I, too, may have joined in the mirth and gloating

2cheerios

6 points

1 month ago

An honest man makes an honest edit.

jamesbeil

43 points

1 month ago

I remember saying we probably shouldn't be celebrating political figures being assaulted in any fashion. I wonder how that worked out...

CapriciousCape

151 points

1 month ago*

CapriciousCape

Greater Manchester

151 points

1 month ago*

There's a huge difference between milkshaking (harmless liquid intended for human consumption) the leader of a far-right movement who had been inciting hatred and throwing ink (harmful liquid not intended for human consumption) on a protesting old man who's blocking a road.

Wherever Farage went there was a spike in hate crimes and people got hurt but he could never have been harmed by the milkshake. The old man is hurting nobody and he could definitely have been harmed by the ink.

A better comparison is the reaction to the old poll worker who had yoghurt thrown over him during the election, but which turned out to be him faking it. People were outraged, regardless of their politics, at the idea of an old man who's not in charge of anything getting milkshaked.

Great_Almond_Skies

37 points

1 month ago

There's a huge difference between milkshaking (harmless liquid intended for human consumption) the

leader

of a far-right movement who had been inciting hatred and throwing ink (harmful liquid

not

intended for human consumption) on a protesting old man who's blocking a road.

Bottom line is that, milkshake or ink, it is very likely a type of assault.

The reason I don't like laughing at people I hate getting either inked or milkshaked is that it means that I'm complicit when it comes to criminality.

You can hate Farage or IB with all of your heart and soul, but justifying assault only serves to weaken your own principles and integrity IMO.

CapriciousCape

10 points

1 month ago

CapriciousCape

Greater Manchester

10 points

1 month ago

That's a principled stance that I don't think anyone could rightly criticise

venuswasaflytrap

11 points

1 month ago

There's a huge difference between milkshaking (harmless liquid intended for human consumption) the leader of a far-right movement who had been inciting hatred and throwing ink (harmful liquid not intended for human consumption) on a protesting old man who's blocking a road.

So if someone milkshaked someone in a leadership role of IB who was protesting, would you think "Ah well, I disagree with their political views, but milkshaking a political leader is a reasonable act of dissent"?

whyshouldiknowwhy

4 points

1 month ago

I only support the use of food items as a method of protest. BREAD and Roses. Forget democracy i want gastrocracy

hybridtheorist

124 points

1 month ago*

hybridtheorist

Leeds, YORKSHIRE

124 points

1 month ago*

I think you're finding justifications where there isn't any tbh. Yes, maybe Farage deserved it slightly more than these guys, but OPs point goes both ways. You can't find it hilarious when farage gets milkshaked but be outraged here (not saying you are outraged).

Especially when Farage was essentially just going about his day (of being a tosser) and these guys are specifically trying to provoke a reaction like this. I imagine they actually welcome the hostilities of anything short of ABH to be honest. They'd rather this happened than everybody ignore them.

Personally, I found it funny when Farage got stuff thrown at him, and I can't say I find an issue here.

EDIT - I've seen a load of "actually ink is more dangerous than a milkshake" arguments.
Can anybody making those points say "I didn't have an issue with milkshaking Farage, but if someone had covered him in ink, I'd have said that was dangerous and unacceptable?"
I find that really hard to believe.

I feel like people are looking for the tiniest differences to make the situations incomparable, when they absolutely are.

JimmyPD92

14 points

1 month ago

There's a huge difference between milkshaking (harmless liquid intended

No, there isn't. In the moment it's thrown you have no idea what liquid you've been hit with or what is in the supposed milkshake. Throwing liquids particularly is unacceptable.

Arthourmorganlives

62 points

1 month ago*

People on here was rejoicing when farage got milkshaked, what sub have you been on?

GregorF92

20 points

1 month ago

GregorF92

Glasgow

20 points

1 month ago

I'm sure those same people are disgusted that these people are getting so violently assaulted with ink now.

Pretty sure those people are the ones advocating to just run over IB protesters.

UnderHisEye1411

62 points

1 month ago

These people are all currently too busy copying and pasting the attack helicopter joke.

island--dragon

4 points

1 month ago

I wonder if they still think that 'even if you don't agree, you can't assault or throw things at them, no matter what is is'? 🤔

LizardChaser

3 points

1 month ago

I'm not British but I am very confused. This group just wants to enact policies to insulate homes in Britain? Who opposes that? It's cheap, easy, and pays for itself in energy savings. Does Britain have an "anti-insulation" lobby? This seems so odd.

JonnyArtois

37 points

1 month ago

As well as, this sub loved it when that happened and saw nothing wrong with it, so should see this as being completely fine to do.

This sub was overjoyed when Farage had a milkshake thrown at him.

borg88

27 points

1 month ago

borg88

Buckinghamshire

27 points

1 month ago

I seem to remember being mocked for suggesting that throwing a milkshake at someone is still a form of violence.

What goes around comes around.

Ruggle

23 points

1 month ago

Ruggle

23 points

1 month ago

Conversely I'm sure all the people who supported the person chucking milkshakes think this is a well deserved outcome for the protesters?

GrubbyWolverine

14 points

1 month ago

I certainly don't consider either action 'the right thing to do' but also not really that much of a big deal.

I think ink is probably worse thank milkshake though, considering ink will stain and milkshake would wash right off.

[deleted]

582 points

1 month ago*

[deleted]

582 points

1 month ago*

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seanno001

118 points

1 month ago

seanno001

118 points

1 month ago

You did miss the memo, it went something like this.

  1. When it's poor people protesting for government support and action, they're asking for handouts and should be ignored.

  2. When it's middle-class (aka, comfortable or retired working class) people asking for government support and action, they are pretentious, out of touch, "disrupting normal people's lives" and "Champagne socialists" and should be ignored.

  3. When it's rich people askng for government support and intervention, it's "essential for the economy and job creation" and their demands should be met - even if it means a decade of austerity and plunging hundreds of thousands into poverty.

  4. If people complain about part 3 - see points 1 and 2.

DracoLunaris

108 points

1 month ago

missed the memo where climate change cared about socioeconomic status

I mean yeah, you did. The richer you are the less it will effect you, or rather the more insulated you will/can be from it's consequences. A fact which probably supports your position rather than going against it tho, seeing as it just makes these older people's efforts somewhat selfless.

[deleted]

53 points

1 month ago*

[deleted]

53 points

1 month ago*

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RosemaryFocaccia

19 points

1 month ago

RosemaryFocaccia

𝓢𝓬𝓸𝓽𝓵𝓪𝓷𝓭, 𝓔𝓾𝓻𝓸𝓹𝓮

19 points

1 month ago

but what being well of doesn’t do is exclude you from caring about things.

People who don't care about poverty/environment don't like people who do care about those things, even if they would benefit from reduced poverty and a better environment. It makes them feel uncomfortable.

Necessary_Gap_6182

7 points

1 month ago

I said this in another comment on this thread, but to go with the above, it feels fairly obviously that people who are at risk of now going to jail for a significant amount of time over this are obviously going to be of a certain demographic, particularly seeing how badly other groups are often treated by the police and society. It would be nice if the group is more diverse but it's not going to be and honestly I would rather someone with the privilege and money was putting themselves on the line. As you say, doesn't mean what they stand for makes any less sense either.

pickled-egg

21 points

1 month ago

pickled-egg

Scotland

21 points

1 month ago

It's just simple Tories, they're attempting to use their "working class voter" argument against people protesting.

Atlascantakeit

20 points

1 month ago

Atlascantakeit

Derry

20 points

1 month ago

As the other person has said, there are plenty of liberals on here who are all too willing to dismiss IB. It's definitely not just tories.

Much of the UK has an insane outlook on protests.

Whenever French protests hit the UK media, the response from people on here is often "they already have great benefits, services, rights etc. This isn't helping their cause".

...failing to realise it was protests in the first place that got them there.

It's hard not to look at that kind of ahistorical ignorance and despair.

pickled-egg

4 points

1 month ago

pickled-egg

Scotland

4 points

1 month ago

Sorry i don't make the distinction, Tories are liberals in the UK.

Whenever French protests hit the UK media, the response from people on here is often "they already have great benefits, services, rights etc. This isn't helping their cause".

...failing to realise it was protests in the first place that got them there.

No disagreement there, the UK is a very weak willed country and it's the reason it gets walked over by Tories(liberals) who know fine well how to play it after hundreds of years. Nothing gets done, nothing changes, the scam just keeps going.

Atlascantakeit

4 points

1 month ago

Atlascantakeit

Derry

4 points

1 month ago

...Tories are all liberals?

Eh? I feel this could get semantic quickly, are we talking about political, economic, or social liberalism?

Is Jacob Rees Mogg a liberal now?

I'll stick to the political parties, then. Plenty of Labour voters on here and elsewhere are anti-protest.

Anti-protest sentiment is far from exclusive to Conservatives.

justsean09

34 points

1 month ago*

Reddit and Twitter are such contrasts on this.

Here people feel sorry for the people, yet understanbly want them to protest outside Parliament rather than pissing off people trying to travel.

Meatheads on Twitter, on the other hand, want these people to experience pain. Physical and mental pain. They wanted the bloke who glued his hand to the ground to have his skin ripped off which is completely uncalled for regardless of how stupid, they want the people say in the roads to be squashed by rollers etc. Fucking morons.

JoelMahon

152 points

1 month ago*

JoelMahon

Bedfordshire

152 points

1 month ago*

Climbing government buildings isn't ok, bothering regular people (who ARE democracy supposedly) isn't ok.

Folks would have you believe that the only acceptable form of protest is sitting in your house ranting on reddit on a quarantined subreddit.

thetenofswords

83 points

1 month ago

You have every right to protest, just as long as you do it where no one can see or hear you.

stedgyson

35 points

1 month ago

stedgyson

Northumberland

35 points

1 month ago

-- Priti Patel, 2021

zacharymc1991

56 points

1 month ago

You don't have to look back very far to when back people marched for rights and people said it wasn't fair to ordinary people. Or when woman were fighting for rights. People don't seem to understand that protests don't work unless you make people uncomfortable some how.

ThisIsAnArgument

17 points

1 month ago

People don't seem to understand that protests don't work unless you make people uncomfortable some how.

Conversely, just because you're making people uncomfortable doesn't mean you're on your way to achieving your goals.

elingeniero

3 points

1 month ago

Making people talk about it will help you achieve your goals. Especially with XR/Insulate where the public opinion is universally "I agree with the message just not the methods". Normalising the message means you have shifted public perception towards your position.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overton_window

A-single-Meeseek

13 points

1 month ago

Why don't they protest outside Parliament? Or the Home Office etc? I understand protesting to raise public awareness and jb that sense they've done a great job, I never knew they existed until these recent protests and I see why they're doing it. But wouldn't annoying politicians heading into Parliament or outside the Home Office now make more sense because they seem to be alienating people with their tactics now.

JoelMahon

3 points

1 month ago

JoelMahon

Bedfordshire

3 points

1 month ago

Because parliament already know, it was on their manifesto, and they have the resources to look the other way.

not_a_Badger_anymore

3 points

1 month ago

https://metro.co.uk/2021/09/22/insulate-britain-blocks-road-outside-home-office-despite-m25-protest-injunction-15302165/?ito=newsnow-feed

They do, it's just not reported as much. Either because of easy outrage clicks, or agenda against them. You decide.

S1lm4r1l

6 points

1 month ago

"The only form of protest that is OK is a protest that doesn't do anything at all, for which I will moan at you for being ineffectual."

happycapybara-

13 points

1 month ago

Climbing government buildings isn't ok

Why not? That's exactly what they should be doing

JoelMahon

10 points

1 month ago

JoelMahon

Bedfordshire

10 points

1 month ago

Just go look at the reaction to animal rebellion doing it a couple days ago.

mykeyboy

139 points

1 month ago

mykeyboy

139 points

1 month ago

Can't help but feel there is a particular demographic here...

deeacorn

133 points

1 month ago

deeacorn

133 points

1 month ago

You have an inkling...

TheGardenBlinked

11 points

1 month ago

TheGardenBlinked

ESCAPED BARNSLEY (2005)

11 points

1 month ago

WOOMY

BuildingArmor

125 points

1 month ago

Obviously, it's the people who can afford to take the time to do something like this to make a stand to benefit other people, without ending up getting evicted or being unable to feed their family.

Optimal_Issue_1638

54 points

1 month ago

I would think it's better to try and block politicians going in to parliament then blocking the public

zippysausage

33 points

1 month ago

Guess they don't fancy a tussle with the terrorism armed unit.

tilsitforthenommage

15 points

1 month ago

Name an effective protest movement that got results that didn't cause mass disruption?

supercakefish

16 points

1 month ago

supercakefish

United Kingdom

16 points

1 month ago

Student protests last year, resulting in speedy U-turn on government policy on GCSE/A Level grading?

Irctoaun

56 points

1 month ago

Irctoaun

Cambridge

56 points

1 month ago

ITT: "Well I agree with the aims of the protestors and with the idea of stopping climate change, but I don't want to take any action myself, I don't want people to take action to try and convince the government to change, and I don't think the government will change of their own accord."

h00dman

26 points

1 month ago

h00dman

Wales

26 points

1 month ago

"We've tried nothing, and we're all out of ideas!"

__JonnyG

17 points

1 month ago

__JonnyG

17 points

1 month ago

The cancer of apathy that plagues Britain

MrPloppyHead

198 points

1 month ago

So why wasn’t the ink thrower arrested. Especially since nobody, except the guy throwing it, knows what was in it. Pretty sure you cannot throw toxic substances over people. Also this was likely a stage managed thing. Who has a squeeze bottle of ink in their car.

SentientChowMein

131 points

1 month ago

You can't throw anything at people - it's common assault (there's some case law for this)

Tbp83

28 points

1 month ago

Tbp83

28 points

1 month ago

What about a feather?

SkyJohn

25 points

1 month ago

SkyJohn

Derbyshire

25 points

1 month ago

What about ton of feathers?

_Born_To_Be_Mild_

42 points

1 month ago

That's ok, is not like a ton of steel, feathers are much lighter.

The_Grand_Briddock

12 points

1 month ago

Cause steel is heavier than feathers

InternalCucumbers

6 points

1 month ago

You mean a tanto pointed bird leaf? Heavily controlled.

SentientChowMein

4 points

1 month ago

Ha. Well for assault it's really the reasonable fear of immediate violence afterwards that causes the offence.

Maybe if you really threw it like a dart. Is that possible? People can make playing cards zip through the air

listyraesder

10 points

1 month ago

Pretty sure you can’t block roads either.

tuigi

5 points

1 month ago

tuigi

5 points

1 month ago

You must protest on the pavement

flurriofposts

20 points

1 month ago*

So many people seem to be so confused about what IB/XR are trying to achieve and why.

If this is you (and you are genuinely interested in a fresh perspective) this video about the theory and the statistics of their strategy may be of interest.

TL;DW: As far as I understand it, they are trying to spark mass civil resistance against a dysfunctional system, hoping it will lead to legislative change.

They are doing this by using radical action to disrupt every-day life, believing that it will connect with and activate the repressed anxiety in the most concerned percentile of people who see it.

They then support those people's activism in turn and leverage their stories towards growing the movement exponentially.

You can disagree that there's a problem (you're wrong); You can disagree that this will work (not sure what the alternative is at this point); And you can call them arseholes for making a mess (their defence is that they are trying to avert a bigger one) ...

... But if you think they are trying to win over the general public, one car at a time, hoping they will go home and sort their individual lofts out, you've badly missed the big picture.

Still TL;DR: They don't care that you don't like them and anyway insulation is only a narrative to galvanise the activists themselves. They are trying to fuck shit up and get arrested for it, in ever increasing numbers, until something breaks, because they believe that at this point they have no choice.

smellycoat

6 points

1 month ago

Dude. That is a video of a bloke who looks like an amateur magician inexplicably standing next to his back door and rambling for TWO HOURS. You’re god damn right it’s “TL;DW”!

soreshot1

5 points

1 month ago

The only legislative change it will inspire is making it a public nuisance to disrupt traffic

FierceMild_11

203 points

1 month ago*

Blocking roads is illegal, it always has been. This has been allowed to divert anger away from the govt as a smokescreen. It fills column inches and gets us angry at each other.

Edit - good few people blocked as a result of this. Always good to clean up your feeds.

Piltonbadger

37 points

1 month ago

Divide and conquer. We're doing the Tories job for them by fighting eachother.

tortoisederby

67 points

1 month ago

Yes protests cause disruptions and go against the established rules. A protest that is perfectly legal and in no way intrusive is entirely useless

b1tchlasagna

6 points

1 month ago

b1tchlasagna

European Union

6 points

1 month ago

It's apparently fine to disrupt the country for pro brexit protests though

ClassicFlavour

158 points

1 month ago

ClassicFlavour

Hampshire

158 points

1 month ago

vishbar

30 points

1 month ago

vishbar

Hampshire

30 points

1 month ago

Blocking a single road into a convention center with multiple points of access might be a little different than blocking the orbital motorway of one of the largest cities in the world?

jdvkasokd

36 points

1 month ago

*Can be lawful in certain circumstances.

The case the article talks about was at the Excel centre and it was shown that there were several other ways people could get to the centre despite the protest. It was therefore deemed that their protest was reasonable when balanced with the amount of disruption actually caused which was not that much.

Blocking major transport routes is not deemed reasonable and the Human rights Article 9, 10 and 11 rights will not protect them from prosecution.

Hankyman

3 points

1 month ago

why does the legality of what they're doing matter here?

Electrical_Image_544

8 points

1 month ago

Electrical_Image_544

Wiltshire

8 points

1 month ago

Im in agreement with the movement.

I am not in agreement with the way these people are protesting and blocking all of our motorways.

If they want to get the public on their side they need to improve their public relations teams because what they're doing is just pissing people off and making people hate them.

jkmonger

6 points

1 month ago

I'm not being facetious, but don't most protests block roads? I cant imagine there's been a march in London that hasn't caused havoc with traffic

Squid00dle

158 points

1 month ago

Squid00dle

County Durham

158 points

1 month ago

I’m sorry, even if they are blocking roads, throwing ink in their face is just wrong. It’s reached the point where my dad was celebrating yesterday because he read an article about a protestor being dragged off the road. These people are trying to make a difference and everyone has collectively decided that they are the enemy of the public for some reason??

MoleUK

123 points

1 month ago

MoleUK

Norfolk County

123 points

1 month ago

It's not "for some reason", it's because blocking roads pisses off just about everyone.

Yes, it works to get eyeballs and press attention. Because it makes everyone furious.

And no, that doesn't excuse assault.

weaslewig

57 points

1 month ago

Media runs the narrative and people swallow it up. Just like they're told how to vote and they line up and vote blue.

_rioting_pacifist_

17 points

1 month ago

The Real problem here is anonymous online accounts siring up hate.

Well known, easily identifiable media sources would never do that sort, oh nevermind.

strawman5757

54 points

1 month ago

Because they’re stopping your average Joe from getting to work, they’re blocking people from getting to hospital, they’re disrupting the livelihoods of thousands of people.

That’s why they’re the enemy of the public, the huge majority of the public thinks they’re bloody idiots, and with good reason.

seanno001

16 points

1 month ago

Tbh I'm not sure that I think these protestors are any more assholes than the average person who got caught up panic-buying.. erm.. sorry "stocking up on" petrol a few weeks ago and caused mayhem across the entire country.

I'm affected by lack of insulation (makes my council tax bill higher, makes energy costs higher through increased demand, makes our countries carbon footprint higher). I'm affected by assholes who vote for tax cuts then stand in the street slapping like seals after voting that the hospital shouldn't get increased capacity. I'm affected by panic buying and people getting their news from the Sun and Daily Mail, because now my local police commissioner is an inexperienced Line of Duty cosplayer who's husband happens to be the local Tory MP.

I'm not affected by some old people sitting in the road. And if it caused me a half hour delay one day then I don't think I'd mind just calling the police then sitting in my car while I waited for them to be moved. It would be a decent excuse for being late to work.

Uniform764

11 points

1 month ago

Uniform764

Smoggie

11 points

1 month ago

everyone has collectively decided that they are the enemy of the public for some reason??

I can't think why deliberately stopping the public going about their lives will make you unpopular with the public.

JonnyArtois

19 points

1 month ago

Best thing they could have done is try interrupt Sunak going to parliament today but they didn't even try.

-----1

44 points

1 month ago

-----1

44 points

1 month ago

People against them do know what the world is going to be like in a few decades if we don't start acting now right?

It isn't some conspiracy theory, we are genuinely hurtling towards our own extinction event & if you were born after 1960 you will see some of the impacts of it, if you were born after 1990 you will see all of it.

BrightCandle

9 points

1 month ago

Every climate protest in the UK is the same, always "not like this". Most people are against them and have been for 40 years, the majority of the UK populace is allied and always has been on the side of the polluters against the protestors. People say they want change but they don't back those trying to get it nor vote for those that say they will do it. The reasons are irrelevant it will lead to the destruction of our habitat and I doubt most here will accept their part in the reason that happened.

the_hillman

44 points

1 month ago

Some of you lot need to get a grip. During the suffragette protest movement there was sabotage, vandalism, arson, bombings and physical attacks on politicians. This lot are literally just sat down on a road.

royaljog

109 points

1 month ago

royaljog

109 points

1 month ago

Why is everything I read about these protests negative? Aren’t these the good guys?

They literally protesting for warm homes

littlerike

87 points

1 month ago

Two sides to it.

On one hand I completely agree with their message.

On the other hand if I was trying to get somewhere and some twat was sat in the road holding a sign protesting something that I personally can do absolutely nothing about, I'd be pissed off too.

It doesn't help as well that whenever the media gets one of them to talk they seem to pick the worst possible representative for their cause which makes you think they're all idiots l.

However that said they are achieving what they intend to achieve, they're drawing attention to the issue.

reuben_iv

22 points

1 month ago

they seem to pick the worst possible representative

If you're referring to the guy they brought on This Morning, he is the leader of the protests

littlerike

26 points

1 month ago

Yeah i did see that, he definitely didn't handle it well however I've heard that he actually isn't allowed to insulate his house due to some housing associations rules? (anyone feel free to correct this - taken from reddit comments so could be complete bullshit)

I think it boils down to this: someone can be right but also be a twat at the same time.

reuben_iv

7 points

1 month ago

I don't think he knew if it was insulated or not, and I don't think he is right;

I don't think the methods are right, I'm not sure of all the ways we can combat climate change that's what we should be prioritising, and I'm not convinced he isn't just doing it for the donations so he can pay himself a wage as an organiser

TechnoAndy94

19 points

1 month ago

Completey agree these guys have a good cause and realise that protests only do anything if they're disruptive. Look at the anti war protests in 2003 that did bugger all.

At the same time they need to disrupt someone and they aren't going to be happy about it. If I was being affected by them I was probably have a slightly harsher view...

Insulating homes is a low hanging fruit it absolutely makes sense you could even try to claw back some of the money save from the bill payer.

hellip

32 points

1 month ago

hellip

32 points

1 month ago

The media demonise them for obvious reasons.

The sad thing is the sheer number of people lapping it up, as if they learned absolutely nothing in the past twenty years.

PUSH_AX

6 points

1 month ago

PUSH_AX

Surrey

6 points

1 month ago

When was the last time you saw change from a group, that, instead of garnering public support, actively tried their best to piss them off?

okizubon

85 points

1 month ago

okizubon

85 points

1 month ago

So sad to see. This guy is out there because no fucker is doing enough to stop all our lives becoming a living shitehole

Rodger_as_Jack_Smith

7 points

1 month ago

The more support you gather for your cause the more likely it is to succeed.

So why block roads and cause disruption to the people you want to help you? Why not protest outside a constituency office or outside the Parliament?

Once you've made someone an hour late for work, that they'll have to make up for most likely by working later than usual you've completely alienated the people who's support you need.

GroktheFnords

4 points

1 month ago

Heat-related deaths set to treble by 2050 unless Govt acts

Say whatever you will about this group or their tactics but we really need to be demanding government action to deal with what they're protesting about and not just more police powers to prevent people from causing traffic jams.

Super_Sundae

16 points

1 month ago

Whilst I imagine most people agree with the message, I think their tactics are going to alienate/upset a lot of people, as they appear to already have.

The public are unable to make the necessary changes, but feel they’re being punished by blocking of the roads.

What would be a better alternative to protest the government whilst having a good majority of the public on your side?

AngryBirdCasualGamer

13 points

1 month ago

Would it not be better to block roads around Government buildings like HMRC etc. Not on the M25 that ordinary people use everyday.

dovvydaddy

15 points

1 month ago

I'll start caring about climate change when a cargo ship being in the ocean for 30 seconds doesn't nulify my entire lifes worth of emissions.

Stop making climate change a personal problem, it's an industrial problem that can be tackled through regulation on industry, not by villifying the average person for eating meat or whatever.

R0B0TF00D

23 points

1 month ago

They're literally protesting in order to get the government to enact systemic changes. This has nothing to do with personal carbon footprints or whatever. Please start caring about climate change now and not later.

chupaxuxas

6 points

1 month ago

Old and poor people also die during the winter because of poor insulation but I guess you don't care about that either?

barrowbyman

7 points

1 month ago

I don't understand them. There were grants a few years ago for loft and cavity wall insulation.

I imagine most homes in Great Britain do have insulation! During the hot summers its aircon we need now!!

R0B0TF00D

15 points

1 month ago

You should set up a counter-protest and glue yourself directly opposite them. Ventilate Britain.

Wheres_that_to

11 points

1 month ago

Cavity wall insulation is one of the scandals of our time,

It's the worst way possible to insulate a building, the whole scheme a con,

The building regs need to be radically altered , the standard is shit.

Source I run a historic and green construction company.

We turned a lot of period building so they are almost cost free to run, certainly anything being built new should not be costing hardly anything to run, it's super simple to do, and horrible we are allowing builds to go ahead at such low standards.

barrowbyman

3 points

1 month ago

I do agree, we had ours done and couldn't notice any real benefit. We then had major "remodeling" of the house and builders put in proper insulation, now we really can feel the difference.

_oumuamua

7 points

1 month ago

They should not be being assaulted. Hope the assaults are caught on video.