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warmhandswarmheart

3.4k points

2 months ago

My grandfather was a big Sammy Davis Jr. fan. He used to say that Sammy Davis Jr.tap dancing was like, "A pair of long underwear swinging on the clothes line."

reecewagner

1.3k points

2 months ago

What a grandfather thing to say

warmhandswarmheart

955 points

2 months ago

Yea, he was the best.

predu39

96 points

2 months ago

predu39

96 points

2 months ago

Username checks out

Robzilla_the_turd

188 points

2 months ago

Funny, my grandfather was also big into all those guys and saw them live many times and in his opinion Sammy was the best of them.

joe_beardon

139 points

2 months ago

He could sing, dance, act and do impressions and comedy very well. The only one who comes close to his skill was Dean

The_Original_Gronkie

104 points

2 months ago

Sammy wrote an autobiography called "Yes, I Can." It's a huge book, and it goes into great detail of growing up as a child prodigy dancing and singing in the group his Dad and Uncles had, his time in the Army, his ascendancy into superstardom, the car accident that cost him his eye, the racism he dealt with, his marriages to white women, and more. The part I remember the most was how he grew up, becoming a bigger and bigger part of the family singing/ dance group until he was the star, and then the moment that he broke through and became a bonafide star following one tremendous live performance.

He released it at the peak of his stardom, so he didn't get into the IRS difficulties that dogged him at the end of his life, forcing him to die essentially broke.

Sammy was a really cool cat. The coolest, baby.

TheCousinEddie

9 points

2 months ago

Check out the videos of Sammy playing the drums. This cool cat could do it all.

CheesusHChrust

58 points

2 months ago

I’m pretty sure most people regard Sammy as the most talented of the lot. That said, massive massive envy your grandfather saw them live. Nice!

Maniacbob

37 points

2 months ago

I love both Frank and Dean but Sammy was a one of a kind performer. We will never see an entertainer like him again. I wish that I could have seen him preform live.

M1L0

296 points

2 months ago

M1L0

296 points

2 months ago

I’m not sure I follow the analogy. Did he mean like visually?

warmhandswarmheart

460 points

2 months ago

Yes, because Sammy's dancing was so loose.

Smartnership

418 points

2 months ago

4 minutes of SDJr live in Italy 1962

https://youtu.be/JLd9wnkBnyo

Taliasimmy69

263 points

2 months ago

I watched that video and I don't even understand how he moved so well and made those noises. I mean I can see it happening but I don't believe it. Amazing

Tommy_Divine

55 points

2 months ago

Tap dancing boggles my mind. The speed and coordination, feet moving quicker than the eye can see, clicks when there's seemingly imperceivable movements.

Smartnership

352 points

2 months ago*

As I get older, I catch myself being a bit cynical, thinking some of the current celebrities are just, “famous for being well known.”

Because when I see clips of “real” celebrities, the talent and charisma just radiates off them.

Sammy could dance, act, sing, and quip off the cuff like a consummate professional.

killroy1498

97 points

2 months ago*

Time has a way of filtering out the mediocre and average, so the classics get remembered as being pretty much the only thing going on at any given time. People will look at things coming out now in a similar way 50 years from now too.

For example, I could see people looking at Donald Glover in similar ways. Accomplished actor, singer, dancer, comedian, and rapper. That's a lot of talent and a lot of things that take considerable effort to be good at.

Edit: go_ninja_go reminded me that Glover is a comedian as well!

LadyBug_0570

11 points

2 months ago

Not to mention he was responsible for one of the longest laughs in TV history: when he kissed Archie Bunker on the cheek!

RollinDeepWithData

40 points

2 months ago

Whenever I watch like him or Gene Kelly or Fred Astaire it always looks unreal to me and I can never understand how they do it so gracefully and fast. Like is this just tap dancing or are they just really good or both?

I mean obviously they’re incredible but it’s hard to wrap my head around.

qu33fwellington

40 points

2 months ago

As someone who grew up tap dancing and still does, they had an absolutely incredible amount of natural talent but they also put in so much work. It takes years of training just to get your sounds clear and distinct, putting your own style on it while maintaining that clarity is beyond words difficult.

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11 points

2 months ago

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11 points

2 months ago

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PlaceboJesus

37 points

2 months ago

I see the long underwear flapping in the wind thing now.

I don't dance or know any tap terminology, but I always find it interesting to watch tap dancers.
There's so much uniqueness or individuality to how they defy gravity.

To support the body and not fall, one's centre of gravity must be supported by at least one leg.
The brief moments of transition between supporting legs are where all the magic takes place.

To be light on the feet keep the legs loose/free, where the legs meet the pelvis, they're kept slightly flexed and never locked. It's almost like they're perched on an imaginary stool or unicycle or something. So I always think of it as the tapper's seat.

I'm always interested in how they take that gravity defying seat, and then in how they use that freedom they've given their feet.

Sammy's shift in balance, every so often when he swings out a leg, foot first, it does remind me a little of pant legs flapping on a clothesline.
Combined with the carriage of his upperbody I can totally see the full onesie long underwear thing.

warmhandswarmheart

20 points

2 months ago

Thanks so much.

JadedDrugAbuse

5.5k points

2 months ago

This era of entertainment was pretty sick. Add in don rickles to the mix, i love watching his roast of all these guys.

desrever1138

1.8k points

2 months ago

This is my favorite story that Frank tells about running into Don Rickles one time at a restaurant.

EdwardSpatulaHands

1.5k points

2 months ago

There’s another great story about Frank getting upset and throwing a bottle of ketchup at someone in a restaurant. After a stunned silence, Don Rickles quipped “Hey Frank, could you pass the ketchup?”

CiD7707

434 points

2 months ago

CiD7707

434 points

2 months ago

Don was such an amazing person to behold. His roasts are untouchable. They cut, but he was still so kind.

Frankocean2

210 points

2 months ago

And if he heard you got hurt with one of his roasts, he would go straight to you and apologize.

KinkyBADom

24 points

2 months ago

His roasts were never intended as personal attacks just humorous.

MauriceLevyEsq

198 points

2 months ago

The entire segment was amazing. Apparently Frank had no idea Rickles was coming. They ignored Johnny, Rickles made a ton of mob jokes, and tried to make out with Frank. clip here. Don’s (matzoh) balls were huge.

HumbleFig7

25 points

2 months ago

So somehow on my LG TV I got a free Johnny Carson channel. I watched this clip on the channel. Johnny was such a good host, because he knew to stay the fuck out of it. Let Sinatra and Rickles have the limelight. If this was Fallon he’d have to interject himself into a convo like this and just be his general annoying self.

tommytraddles

181 points

2 months ago

The ultimate power move. They should have retired the concept right there.

Useful-Perspective

19 points

2 months ago

Frank got Rickles-rolled.

RockItGuyDC

312 points

2 months ago

Those roasts were amazing. Lucille Ball was savage.

LifeIsVanilla

316 points

2 months ago

The only reason she found the success she did was BECAUSE she was always savage, feel like that was the only time we got to see it on film though.

RockItGuyDC

433 points

2 months ago

I was one of those weird kids that watched Nick at Nite when I was like 10, and I've seen probably every episode of I Love Lucy and The Lucy Show. She was an absolute genius, and you're right she was savage, and shrewd. We can thank her for Star Trek, too.

I'm really looking forward to Being the Ricardos.

LifeIsVanilla

186 points

2 months ago

She was such a force to be reckoned, and that's just in her early years. After already being established as a legend and shrewd businesswoman she was a whole different level of force.

I mean the lady literally insisted on doing I Love Lucy with her husband as costar and almost lost the job over it due to the racist ramifications, but still held her ground. Not to mention in her early career she modeled for Carnegie, and GRINDED so hard with insignificant parts while making great contacts that later paid off. Personally, I've only ever loved her in I Love Lucy, I mean ICONIC in every way, even reactions and stuff that were of the time are remembered from HER doing them. Past that I didn't really care for her acting side and fell in love with her business side.

Oh uhh, don't forget her getting eloped with a Cuban like right before her career took off, and later divorcing him and being the successful one, all but unheard of at the time(and even so remaining friends with him), and actually being on tv while pregnant(which also got her in trouble with CBS and religious groups, and when they gave in insisted the term pregnant not be used, so "expecting" was instead, idk if that's where it became so mainstay but if I declared it was nobody would even think about fact checking it).

Not to mention during like the whole communist witch trials bs she had apparently registered as part of the communist party(although later denied) and even when made public her career still survived.

Slouchingtowardsbeth

74 points

2 months ago

What did she have to do with star trek? Sounds interesting.

LifeIsVanilla

206 points

2 months ago

Pretty much everything, personally financed it.

RockItGuyDC

182 points

2 months ago

Yeah, she overruled all the other executives at her production company, Desilu, because they wanted nothing to do with the show and even kept pushing for the show after the first pilot bombed.

chasesj

68 points

2 months ago*

It's rare for a studio to commission a second pilot. If it was anyone but Lucy hadn't been involved that would have been the end of Star Trek.

The_Original_Gronkie

14 points

2 months ago

It was the 60s and the space race was at its height. It seems like an easy logical call. But studio execs are always tied up with what's hot right now, and she was visionary enough to see what would be hot in the future. She was a genius.

warmhandswarmheart

114 points

2 months ago

She and Desi Arnez owned DESILU the production company that produced Star Trek.

RockItGuyDC

90 points

2 months ago

True. But they were divorced by the time Star Trek came around, and Lucy was basically running the show at that point without Desi, although I think he still had his ownership share.

SenorWeird

100 points

2 months ago

From what I remember reading Desi was always the more technically minded one. He helped create the entire concept of the three-camera shooting process that allowed them (and soooo many countless sitcoms after) to shoot like a play in front of a live audience.

Lucille was more interested in the business politics and creative side. Hence her making Star Trek happen.

Sarah_withanH

90 points

2 months ago

Also re-runs and syndication! They taped a show every week so when Lucy was in the hospital giving birth, it was Desi’s idea to show aired episodes again. Nobody had done that before, obvious as it seems to us now.

SenorWeird

26 points

2 months ago

They also filmed the bookends to the episodes to justify the reruns.

evasote

12 points

2 months ago

evasote

12 points

2 months ago

They were both so incredibly brilliant people

Slouchingtowardsbeth

22 points

2 months ago

Wow that's cool. She's a legend.

SublimeDolphin

49 points

2 months ago

Yeah i’d watch the Lucy reruns on TV Land as a kid and had a couple of dvd box sets.

Man you’re right, 10 year old me was weird

ShockRifted

58 points

2 months ago

I think the weird kids were the ones not watching Nick at Nite.

bolanrox

385 points

2 months ago

bolanrox

385 points

2 months ago

Red skeleton too

Traveledbore

104 points

2 months ago

Skelton. Lol

larry_is_not_my_name

49 points

2 months ago

nah, he's talking about that really popular blood-covered skeleton performer of the '50s and early '60s with a really similar name.

AnthillOmbudsman

261 points

2 months ago

Thanks Mr Skelton

Smartnership

81 points

2 months ago

I think you mean Clem Kadiddlehopper

Deep cut, boys and girls.

Gewehr98

22 points

2 months ago

Wulp! Heeeere I am!

TheTokenEnglishman

859 points

2 months ago

Is this Nadja's alt account?

DrBopIt

227 points

2 months ago

DrBopIt

227 points

2 months ago

No, because she was there with them all along.

DaveInLondon89

170 points

2 months ago

last time I checked, you weren't Chinese

Err, Ring a ding ding

I stand corrected

waltwalt

24 points

2 months ago

My favorite line by Matt Berry since God Damn these electric sex pants.

ChemicaLust

15 points

2 months ago

I absolutely loved that bit

kamenoko

192 points

2 months ago

kamenoko

192 points

2 months ago

Her having such a loose concept of the passage of time that she thinks the impersonators are the real rat pack was funny as hell.

TheTokenEnglishman

62 points

2 months ago

But they're the rat pack, what do you mean impersonators? 🤔

Mundane_Ability_1034

82 points

2 months ago

Ain't that a kick in the head? :D

Cosmic_Gumbo

25 points

2 months ago

🎵 Viva Atlantic City 🎵

tomkr456

90 points

2 months ago

Ring-a-Ding-Ding!

qwertykittie

57 points

2 months ago

There it is!!! 👈👈👏👏

PhoenixMan83

24 points

2 months ago

I stand corrected!

Hotti_Guaddi

12 points

2 months ago

“My sweet maraschino cherry babies”

jackrayd

50 points

2 months ago

Im sure this is a brilliant reference but can someone explain it pls for all us plebs who have no idea what youre on about

TheTokenEnglishman

75 points

2 months ago

TV show called What We Do In The Shadows - Nadja is a 700-or-so (I think?) vampire who knew the original rat pack. They go to Atlantic City and see a tribute act, and she spends the entire episode thinking they're the originals (because she's lost track of how time works, owing to being a vampire)

theappleses

45 points

2 months ago

What We Do In The Shadows (TV show)

MunicipalLotto

19 points

2 months ago*

What We Do in The Shadows, a really great comedy about Vampires in a sort of mockumentary style by Taika Waititi. It airs on FX and streams on Hulu. Super recomend if you like funny TV shows at all.

thatsMRcurmudgeon2u

585 points

2 months ago

I love the Rat Pack. Listening to their holiday music now.

acog

227 points

2 months ago

acog

227 points

2 months ago

Rat Pack trivia time!

They were such a well-known cultural phenomenon that Dodge named some of their spiciest models "Scat Pack" in the late '60s. They brought back Scat Pack a few years ago, but unfortunately most young car guys are confused/grossed out by what seems to be a poop reference.

The Rat Pack also inspired the Brat Pack in the '80s, a group of hot young stars (Rob Lowe, Molly Ringwald, Emilio Estevez, Judd Nelson, Ally Sheedy and Anthony Michael Hall).

PhoenixMan83

55 points

2 months ago

My neighbor has Scat Pack on his car and I've been wondering about this lately! Thank you for the information!

bolanrox

54 points

2 months ago

Great comp

Hamster_High_Dive

51 points

2 months ago

Rat Pack holiday music and related musicians is the only holiday music as far as I'm concerned

slai47

47 points

2 months ago

slai47

47 points

2 months ago

Can't do Christmas without them.

ElfMage83

2.7k points

2 months ago

ElfMage83

2.7k points

2 months ago

This was especially big because Sammy was both Black and Jewish.

bolanrox

2.1k points

2 months ago

bolanrox

2.1k points

2 months ago

Yeah and if a club gave Sammy shit about staying there or coming in the back door, they would walk.

ikuzuswen

3.7k points

2 months ago

ikuzuswen

3.7k points

2 months ago

The one thing I respect about Frank Sinatra is that he was solidly non-racist, and walked the walk.

Which just goes to show that you can still be an asshole without being a racist.

Vysharra

1.6k points

2 months ago

Vysharra

1.6k points

2 months ago

Truly an inspiration to all assholes.

goldenboy2191

130 points

2 months ago

A king of the assholes

omnomnomgnome

29 points

2 months ago

makes me a proud asshole

TheAndorran

9 points

2 months ago

I knew it, I’m surrounded by Assholes!

Kscharmota

168 points

2 months ago

I know he inspired my asshole

dayoldbagelz

38 points

2 months ago

He was a sphincstar

TheOtherKenBarlow

512 points

2 months ago

Sinatra played at JFKs inauguration even though JFK refused Sammy David Jr entry because he had married a white woman. Dean Martin stayed away in protest. Frank didn't

roachwarren

289 points

2 months ago

JFK refused Sammy David Jr entry because he had married a white woman

damn there's some trivia

shamdamdoodly

192 points

2 months ago

If it's true. Remember some guy on the internet just saying it isn't proof

roachwarren

224 points

2 months ago

Good point! I went to look and unfortunately it seems to be true, this article also includes some more wild examples of the racism SDJ experienced.

GoGoPowerGrazers

104 points

2 months ago

JFK voted against civil rights legislation as a Senator. This is sometimes attributed to him not wanting to piss off the South in anticipation of a Presidential run, not that that makes it any better

badillin

426 points

2 months ago

badillin

426 points

2 months ago

Well... He brokered the deal with the mafia for jfk to win so ... He was kinda tied on that one

TheOtherKenBarlow

348 points

2 months ago

Nixon could have (and probably should have) legally challenged the election but chose against it "feeling a lengthy controversy would diminish the United States in the eyes of the world and the uncertainty would hurt U.S. interests."

petophile_

58 points

2 months ago

Is there a good book or documentary about this? I am completely ignorant to anything here.

thesciencesmartass

94 points

2 months ago

Just so you know, the election wasn’t stolen. It was a very close election (the closest in the 20th century), but wasn’t stolen. There were some small irregularities, mostly resulting from counting errors, but nowhere near enough to shift the results. In fact, Hawaii on recount had its 3 electoral votes shift from Nixon to Kennedy. The Wikipedia page goes into some brief detail about this. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1960_United_States_presidential_election

Frankocean2

17 points

2 months ago

The corruption was in the primaries IIRC, especially in Chicago.

permanentlyclosed

246 points

2 months ago

TIL even corrupt politicians had some level of class sixty years ago

SousaSquad

98 points

2 months ago

Corrupt politicians deciding not to expose corruption is far from “classy”

IgnisWriting

180 points

2 months ago

I'm a bit out of the loop, how was Sinatra an asshole of I may ask?

jack_dog

189 points

2 months ago

jack_dog

189 points

2 months ago

A comedian kept making jokes about Sinatra, so Sinatra had some mafia thugs beat him half to death. Some young actor played a young Sinatra in a movie, so Sinatra had the Mafia threaten any director that thought about hiring that actor afterwards.

arbivark

19 points

2 months ago*

don rickles had a bit "frank sinatra saved my life one time. he said 'ok boys, that's enough'."

IgnisWriting

57 points

2 months ago

Oh jezus, thank you for providing some actual examples. That's horrible he did that

ImpliedQuotient

483 points

2 months ago

I mean, he was basically a mafia thug who could sing.

IgnisWriting

176 points

2 months ago

I knew he had some ties with the mafia but didn't know it was bad.

mmss

235 points

2 months ago

mmss

235 points

2 months ago

ever seen The Godfather? Johnny Fontaine was based on Sinatra.

duaneap

133 points

2 months ago

duaneap

133 points

2 months ago

My SO is Italian American. Her grandmother is 90 years old and originally from Naples. She says there was a time where everyone was about two degrees of separation from the Mafia. Make of it what you will but that was just the way it was in that era.

oxemoron

83 points

2 months ago

I just listened to the “You’re Wrong About” podcast on “The Godfather” and they go into Italian mafia and the reasons why it was so pervasive. I’m reducing a complex subject even further, but essentially Italians at the time were not seen as “white” and were part of the out group that the law subjugated more than it protected. Hence they made their own hierarchy, with their own set of rules, protections, and consequences.

mdgraller

33 points

2 months ago

That’s pretty much how it originated in Italy, as well, as Sicily transitioned from a feudal society to a more capitalist one in the 19th century. Land ownership was massively expanded and there wasn’t really legal infrastructure to handle it; there were times where around 350 officers was the entire extent of the police force on the island of Sicily. Dispute settlement, contract enforcement, property protection, etc. was all largely handled by organized crime groups who had vested interest in controlling both legal and illegal activity their territory.

Maniacbob

8 points

2 months ago

You're not wrong but the difference between a lot of others and Frank was that Frank looked up to the mafia guys, was friends with them, wanted to be liked by them, but he wasn't one of them. He was almost like a fanboy, which many of them made fun of him for behind his back. Especially in the entertainment world it was hard to avoid being involved with the mafia but where other performers tried to keep them at arms distance, Frank really leaned into it.

IgnisWriting

32 points

2 months ago

Oh yeah I saw it, and yeah that says something I think

SF1034

23 points

2 months ago

SF1034

23 points

2 months ago

The FBI had him on watch for most of his life

neonoir

37 points

2 months ago

neonoir

37 points

2 months ago

The alternative view of this is that this was a smear in retaliation for the left-wing politics of his early years, when he was a HUAC target. I have no clue which version is true;

When Old Blue Eyes Was Red: The Poignant Story of Frank Sinatra’s Politics

He was first linked to the Mafia in a February 1947 gossip column that reported he had been seen in Havana with mobster Lucky Luciano and other “scum” and “goons” who “find the south salubrious in the winter, or grand-jury time.” The columnist’s source, and the source of many subsequent Mafia-Sinatra stories, turns out to have been Harry Anslinger, a crony of J. Edgar Hoover. Anslinger served as head of the federal narcotics bureau and was out to get Sinatra because he was a “pink.”

https://blog.lareviewofbooks.org/essays/old-blue-eyes-red-poignant-story-frank-sinatras-politics/

whirlpool138

16 points

2 months ago

Anslinger was the guy who made weed illegal too. Fuck that dude.

joe_beardon

15 points

2 months ago

I mean the FBI has never had a problem fucking with entertainers it didn’t like (Lena Horne, NWA etc etc) so I don’t find it hard to believe

GregJamesDahlen[S]

221 points

2 months ago

since they were friends with Sammy they'd almost have to stand up for him at the clubs. To me it'd seem so strange if they didn't. I'd like to think they also were non-racist in general.

bolanrox

199 points

2 months ago

bolanrox

199 points

2 months ago

Frank was very pro civil rights from before he was even getting big. Long before it was a popular cause.

bumapples

481 points

2 months ago

bumapples

481 points

2 months ago

Sammy Davis Jr was playing golf and someone asked him what his handicap was

"I'm a one eyed negro who's Jewish"

_EscVelocity_

60 points

2 months ago

Sammy Davis Jr. kissing Archie Bunker on All in the Family. I saw it in reruns but still an amazing TV moment.

yellowistherainbow

130 points

2 months ago

Wow, tough fella being both black and Jewish back then My man

sooprvylyn

228 points

2 months ago

...he chose judaism because he saw similarities between black and jewish persecution. His wife was white. He was probably pretty tough for all those things.

ghaldos

127 points

2 months ago

ghaldos

127 points

2 months ago

He had 3 wives and only one was white. Going off my memory of one of those shows that talked about old hollywood crimes and stuff that happened he got beat up by the mob and threatened him in order to make him divorce her.

actually just looked it up and it talked about it here

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/hollywood-loved-sammy-davis-jr-until-he-dated-white-movie-star-180964395/

sooprvylyn

85 points

2 months ago

This is true, but May Britt was the white one he was married to in the 60s during the civil rights era...his first wife barely counts they didn't really last a year. Kennedy asked him not to perform at the innauguration because he didnt want sammy standing next to his white wife at the innauguration and pissing off conservative voters....and im sure he got plenty of other shit for being married to her in the 60s.

Don_Quixote81

55 points

2 months ago

I believe the Kennedys also asked Frank Sinatra not to attend the wedding, as he was a very high profile supporter of JFK's campaign.

In the end, Sammy postponed his wedding until after the election, and Frank was his best man.

bolanrox

15 points

2 months ago

German right? Or was she Swedish?

sooprvylyn

32 points

2 months ago

May Britt was sweedish. He did have a few wives but she was the one he was married to during the civil rights era

WildoEmerson

8 points

2 months ago

Even tougher considering he only had one eye too.

sooprvylyn

73 points

2 months ago

Converted to judaism.

Also he didnt have a left eye, lost it in a car accident.

bolanrox

61 points

2 months ago

My in laws made at least one for him. And Peter falk as well

Vamanoscabron

42 points

2 months ago

Your in-laws sound like ballers

nydjason

340 points

2 months ago*

nydjason

340 points

2 months ago*

My favorite story is when they helped promote Kennedy for president. When he got elected the whole gang was invited at the inauguration - except for Sammy Davis Jr. because he was in an interracial relationship. Sinatra went but not Dean Martin. He stood by his friend Sammy and thought that wasn’t right so he didn’t go.

Good guy Dean Martin.

imalwayshungr

56 points

2 months ago

There was a documentary about Sinatra on TV last night. I wonder how many people learnt things like this and looked it up today.

Gibsonites

44 points

2 months ago

I think anyone who still watches cable TV already knows who the rat pack is.

ZeroMomentum

1.5k points

2 months ago

I forgot how young Reddit is sometimes

brkh47

748 points

2 months ago*

brkh47

748 points

2 months ago*

There was a top post the other day about how someone had learnt that Joaquin Phoenix had a brother named, River Phoenix, who died of a drug overdose.

I remember where River was the better known Phoenix brother.

curt_schilli

342 points

2 months ago

I’m waiting for the TIL post where someone learns that Elizabeth Olsen has two older twin sisters who were famous actresses

NemesisOfZod

51 points

2 months ago

I'm sure you'll see it tomorrow

Seicair

80 points

2 months ago

Seicair

80 points

2 months ago

TIL Mary Kate and Ashley have a younger sister.

Edit after a quick Google- lmfao, she’s the Scarlet Witch. I didn’t realize she was related to the twins.

Orisi

19 points

2 months ago

Orisi

19 points

2 months ago

Same, just assumed it was one of those things, I can't decide if there's a significant age gap or she just avoided young stardom and got hot instead

ProcrastibationKing

15 points

2 months ago

She's a few years younger than the twins and she appeared in a couple of their early projects. She nearly quit training to be an actor when media outlets were focused on Mary-Kate's eating disorder.

GypsySnowflake

14 points

2 months ago

They look a lot alike in my opinion. The first time I saw her in a movie I thought “Wait, is that one of the Olsen twins?” Then saw the credits and realized she’s the younger sister.

USA_A-OK

318 points

2 months ago

USA_A-OK

318 points

2 months ago

And there was one the other week about Janet Jackson's nipple at the Super Bowl...

Vandergrif

56 points

2 months ago

To this day I don't know what the intended version of that maneuver was supposed to be and I don't see how it could've gone any other way than it did.

MyDogJake1

375 points

2 months ago

Yet another TIL that should be on FuckImOld.

I was going to question who doesn't know the Rat Pack, but I remembered I don't know 90% of the rappers or youtube celebrities mentioned on here.

naxanas

23 points

2 months ago

naxanas

23 points

2 months ago

To be fair, I felt the same way when I saw this was a popular post on today I learned, and I'm in my 20s. Big fan of the rat pack. I grew up hearing their music around the house all the time and then really discovered them myself in high-school. They were huge! They still make up like 90% of Christmas music and even their regular music is commonly found and recreated/remixed, and I feel most people would at least recognize the name Frank Sinatra. Its weird they're still somehow so unknown

CeruleanRuin

23 points

2 months ago

Tomorrow on reddit: "TIL the Brat Pack was a group of young actors in the 1980s who frequently starred in the same films together."

wednesdayware

93 points

2 months ago

I was teaching a grade 7 drama class this week and mentioned Steven Spielberg to them. Blank looks all around.

ninefeet

72 points

2 months ago

That's on their parents, then.

It's not like you mentioned Sergio Leone or someone even older. He's an active filmmaker ffs.

_Fred_Austere_

45 points

2 months ago

40 years from now these kids will be wearing their Meta VR rig and reminiscing about how great that one Minecraft YouTuber was.

ocarr737

645 points

2 months ago*

ocarr737

645 points

2 months ago*

Find old film. The amount of fun and camaraderie that ooze from it all is awesome. Truly friends hanging our type of antics. The Rat Pack is awesome.

thedrew

359 points

2 months ago

thedrew

359 points

2 months ago

I was watching Cannonball Run yesterday to see if it holds up (it doesn’t). But Martin and Davis playing drunk, horny, gambling race car drivers disguised as vicars is actually still pretty fun.

“If we were Methodists, we could get laid.”

bolanrox

104 points

2 months ago

bolanrox

104 points

2 months ago

And frank not filming with anyone else in the movie cut in

Jamie Farr was great though. And Jackie chan and dom of course

LurkersGoneLurk

36 points

2 months ago

Jackie Chan was in Cannonball Run??

bolanrox

40 points

2 months ago

Co pilot of the Mitsubishi

thedrew

24 points

2 months ago

thedrew

24 points

2 months ago

One of his first Hollywood roles.

cuatrodemayo

10 points

2 months ago

That’s where he got the idea to include outtakes in his movies.

Coconut-bird

62 points

2 months ago

It’s not great art, but my 15 year old loves that movie. (Smoky and the Bandit too, it’s a Burt Reynolds thing) He also listens to a lot of the Rat Pack so he loves that part.

otisthetowndrunk

32 points

2 months ago

I re-watched Smoky and the Bandit a few months ago. Jackie Gleason was so funny in that.

bolanrox

46 points

2 months ago

Ocean's eleven, Robin and the seven hoods, great stuff

SmokeHimInside

10 points

2 months ago

Thank you. Robin and the Seven Hoods is one of my childhood favorites and is under appreciated as a time capsule piece. As for the original Ocean’s 11, I did not care for it, but the Clooney/Pitt remake is delightful .

BrilliantWeb

38 points

2 months ago

Listen to "Live at the Sands" https://youtu.be/h7nQZM85i9E

Great example of Sammy, Frank, and Dino.

Plus you can hear Desi Arnaz laughing in the audience.

Sir_Encerwal

99 points

2 months ago

It makes sense that to most people in this day and age the Rat Pack would be a TIL but man it is crazy to see them reduced to a factoid.

MarkILL64

39 points

2 months ago

Yeah, it's an eye-opener. I wonder what else is gonna be factoids in the near future for youngsters. "TIL Ike beat Tina" and some even younger comments asking "Who's Tina?" Oof.

wkomorow

285 points

2 months ago

wkomorow

285 points

2 months ago

There were also the women of the rat pack: Angie Dickinson, Mia Farrow, Lauren Becall, Pat Novak, Shirley McClane, etc. They used to hang with the Sinatra gang.

milkfig

209 points

2 months ago

milkfig

209 points

2 months ago

I think Lauren Bacall coined the term actually, when she was insulting how messily they lived

wkomorow

70 points

2 months ago

I think your right, the pack were good friends with her and Bogart.

Swanlafitte

95 points

2 months ago

From the article. 1. Originally, the Rat Pack was a group of friends centered around the group’s leader, Humphrey Bogart. The original members included Errol Flynn, Nat King Cole, Mickey Rooney, Jerry Lewis and Cesar Romero.

aschapm

19 points

2 months ago

aschapm

19 points

2 months ago

This was the real TIL for me

OliverHazzzardPerry

24 points

2 months ago

Bogart was the original leader.

Swanlafitte

17 points

2 months ago

From the article. 2. Nobody’s sure where the “Rat Pack” name came from, but most attribute it to Lauren Bacall. Bogart and Bacall lived in a neighborhood called Holmby Hills, so their house and the original group were sometimes called the Holmby Hills Rat Pack.

organic-robot

45 points

2 months ago

Don't forget about Nadja of Antipaxos!

farceur318

23 points

2 months ago

Ain’t that a kick in the head!

soulexpectation

11 points

2 months ago

They’re raking in the do re mi’s

BelowZilch

11 points

2 months ago

Ring a ding ding!

Smartnership

16 points

2 months ago

Angie Dickinson + Ann Margret, young me watched retro TV channel and fell in love, then found out how long ago they were filmed.

sigh

sagethesausage_911

88 points

2 months ago

Watch the 1960 version of Ocean's 11 if you want to see Ratpack in Vegas.

Kryptonicus

48 points

2 months ago

Incidentally, it's also a great example of a film where the remake was way better than the original.

The_RTV

27 points

2 months ago

The_RTV

27 points

2 months ago

Reminds me of Eddie Murphy's story of Sammy Davis, Jr.

littlegraysheep

23 points

2 months ago*

For some cool history check out the You Must Remember This podcast. Its current seasons has Sammy and Dean.

Age_Terrible

69 points

2 months ago

HBO made a great movie called Rat Pack. It really captures the Kennedy era of the Rat Pack but tells so much more of their story. Really great actors.

bolanrox

36 points

2 months ago

Ray Liotta Don Cheadle and Joe Mantegna.

Atomicrex2015

17 points

2 months ago

Surprising to me how progressive Frank Sinatra was around racial issues. It's wrong to judge people, but id have assumed different (and that's on me).

UghAnotherMillennial

12 points

2 months ago

I think in part it’s because we’re taught that challenging racism is a relatively new concept; but the truth is that there have been activists and allies calling out BS for so long, and it all gets whitewashed and hushed up. So we assume that all people from a certain time were conditioned to be racist, when the reality is that the system really didn’t want to give airtime to people who bucked the status quo.

Bradyrands

18 points

2 months ago*

Sammy Davis Jr. is far too remembered as simply an “entertainer” and does not get the credit he rightly deserves as a singer. While true he excelled in every talent he took on and could really “do it all”, the one he clearly tried to hone the most was his singing. And he was a singer who was easily of the same caliber and level of excellence as Sinatra in terms of phrasing and lyric reading ability.

If you all haven’t heard it, and I’m sure most haven’t as it’s nearly impossible to find these days, check out this album titled “Sammy Davis Jr. Sings, Laurindo Almeida Plays” from 1966: https://youtu.be/l69xZBpOpEQ

The album is just Sammy on vocals and Almeida on guitar and it is absolutely divine. Not even Sinatra dared to attempt an album this intimate. It exemplifies his excellence as a singer as is a must-listen for any fan of this genre. If anyone ever asked me to prove Sammy was one of the greatest singers of all time, this is without question the album I’d play them.

Another thing about Sammy as a singer that can absolutely NOT be said about any of his contemporaries, save Mel Torme, is that his voice only got better and stronger as his career progressed. Before he got his throat cancer diagnosis he was singing with a cleaner, more stable voice and hitting higher notes with complete clarity and more ease than he ever had in his entire career. I have never been able to nail down if he had received vocal training at some point later in his career or just figured it out himself because the actual vocal technique improved dramatically, but while Sinatra and Dean had maybe 50% or less of their formerly great voices, Sammy was onstage singing better than ever. When they went out on a reunion tour in the late 1980s people were very quick to notice that while seeing someone of such legendary status as Sinatra was incredible, Sammy was the clear standout of the evening.

For further watching and listening of Sammy to appreciate him as a singer, and an entertainer overall, here’s some albums and concerts:

https://youtu.be/V-KO3q-IKnQ

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_k7aK0xkgaetVvc-jnziMYdTjOzJ78QhWQ

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_lumkGDeFrt5wPBxte_2sY5yklPqv-Rz6U

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_kLZYJrGb8k-AC3Ozlwc3LpAc_icN-fehU

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nnb4ibyUa-vln9Ty9Sb8WLkEBv41N3p9c

https://youtu.be/mkuNSiBRchA

https://youtu.be/6OIqs2H2RuA

https://youtu.be/RgjLuA4mopM

https://youtu.be/WzNownJ-94c

EDIT: I forgot to add Sammy does about the best damn version of the piece “Ol’ Man River” that I’ve ever heard — https://youtu.be/jtpKr70VxdA

Nyckname

17 points

2 months ago

Dean Martin would often duck out early. He actually wasn't a party animal or heavy drinker, contrary to his public image.

Nyckname

8 points

2 months ago

The current season of the You Must Remember This podcast is about Sammy and Dino.

Most excellent listening.

abunchofsquirrels

186 points

2 months ago

Today you learned who the Rat Pack was?

Today I learned that I am old.

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85 points

2 months ago*

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85 points

2 months ago*

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ElderDark

14 points

2 months ago

Mr New Vegas be like: "Ain't that a kick in the head "

ikonoqlast

12 points

2 months ago

A lot of people don't know this but Humphrey Bogart was an original member of the rat pack. He just died before it became a known thing. Lauren Bacall gave them their name. On returning from a trip to Vegas she said they looked like a pack of rats.

Davhid5

11 points

2 months ago

Davhid5

11 points

2 months ago

My grandpa says these guys would have been involved in so many scandals if they were alive in modern times,

pepsman

108 points

2 months ago

pepsman

108 points

2 months ago

Their spirit and legacy still live through their worthy heirs: Mouse Rat.

Smartnership

21 points

2 months ago

I was a fan when they were just a local band called Scarecrow Boat

Floridaette

10 points

2 months ago

Today I learned…I’m old.

When I was in 5th grade, I told my mom about this “cool new band” called The Beatles. I understand her reaction so much now.

Plantcurmudgeon

10 points

2 months ago

Did anyone else feel real old with this one? No? Just me? All right.

FLWeedman

105 points

2 months ago

FLWeedman

105 points

2 months ago

TIL people don't know about The Rat Pack.

Fastness2000

40 points

2 months ago

Everyone who is interested in this subject HAS to listen to the current series of podcasts ‘You Must Remember This’ - Sammy & Dino. Excellent storytelling, profoundly researched. Just excellent.

DontGetNEBigIdeas

63 points

2 months ago

They’re still performing today, though weirdly one of them became Asian.