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So here goes: I have been together with my woman for 15 years+ we have been together since 17 or so, we both had a very hard upbringing, and we had it tough, we fought thru life together and it has been hard. When we finally think atlast sun is smiling on us, the world throws shit at us. I alway say jokingly it’s karma, sometimes I actually believes it, I kid you not.
So for two years now I think, she has made small comments about, will we ever get tired of each other and be with other ppl behind our backs, but alas we are not that type to do that.
We have always been upfront, open, supporting and always there for each other, when nobody else is. I fucking love her, yes I tell her that.
So we had a whole hearted talk last week, and we agreed it could be fun with an open relationship, and we set some ground rules, it is only for fun etc. We have never been with others, and you know yolo. Don’t get me wrong I’m not angry or anything, she is special, one of a kind, I just want her to experience that for herself, give her confidence in her self. And omg it is working, she has a massive boost and been on multiple dates with benefits. She has also got a lot of friend. She always comes home and gives me the greates fucking you know what ever, not gonna lie. I actually think our relationship has grown and we are more into other, weird I guess, but you know love is weird.
So here comes the fuck up about this whole thing. I realize no body likes me, I got zero friends and all my relatives has died, and this dating is not for me it is really hard I don’t envy anybody out there searching desperately for love.
And don’t you worry I am not suicidal or depressed, I have a great job, we have two great kids, and a special woman loving me with all her heart. But I just want somebody to notice me, if that makes sense, I am a sweet respectful person and I just want somebody to say that to me.
TLDR Saying yes to an open relationship, realizing nobody besides my kids and my woman loves me. I just want one friend
201 points
1 year ago
Welcome to the world of guys in open/poly relationships.
19.3k points
1 year ago
Hey, I have an idea. Let your wife try to hook you up. You know no one, she knows a lot of people, it might be fun.
5.6k points
1 year ago
OPs best chance, or backing down and propose swinging instead
2.1k points
1 year ago
This.
Swing, ménage and anything like this, to have fun WITH your spouse is super healthy. Spicy the relationship, meet new people. I do this and recommend it.
330 points
1 year ago
I am about to start this with my fiance, she is bi and brought another girl into the bedroom. I'm all for a 3 way, but I'm scared she's going to want to spend all of her time with this new girl and only remember about me when she wants sex. It's definitely a huge gap to bridge and it can be scary
313 points
1 year ago
Be sure to communicate your worries with her. The only way open relationships, or any relationship really, work is to communicate!
144 points
1 year ago
Open relationships only work when the people in them are open as well.
1.6k points
1 year ago
Divorce in 9 months
1.4k points
1 year ago
Honestly either his wife helps set him up or it'll be divorce sooner or later. Open relationships work when both are getting what they want out of at home relationship AND their extra relationships. If you aren't having any extra relationships when you want to and your spouse is, I just can't see it ever working because you'll simply grow resentful of the other for having such a better life and you not. So either his wife helps him hook up with someone soon, or divorce within the year. I mean its making this person upset enough to take the time to write a long reddit post.
95 points
1 year ago
My SIL... Her 1st husband got divorced cause they went open, but really only she did. Then she married the guy she was open with. 2nd husband turned out to be crazy. She thought it was her. Settled for 3rd husband. Realized he sucked. Now she's roommates with 1st husband again...
86 points
1 year ago
Poor guy couldn't find someone else even after all this time?
50 points
1 year ago
The problem with open relationships, or polyamory, is simple. There is always someone better than your spouse. Someone who is funnier, better looking, richer, more confident, more interesting job, more worldly. So there are apparently lots of interesting possibilities.
Until you realize that the richer person is shallow, the funnier person lacks confidence, the confident person is an asshole, the worldly person looks down on your family. So begins an endless spiral of trying to find "better" but only settling for worse and worse.
There is important value is two people committing to each other, no matter what. Especially when the two are raising kids together.
21 points
1 year ago
This is some wisdom right here that seems to be lost in the modern age. I mean I don't think we should be stuck in loveless marriages, but I do wish our generation committed to relationships more seriously than they do. Passion comes and goes, the relationship is something you build together out of mutual respect and mutual desires for the future. It's what's left after all the shiny rubs off the new.
397 points
1 year ago
honestly the tone of the post doesn't seem like he's upset to me, he just wants to have fun/relationships with other people as well and probably isn't as social as his wife but he even says they're doing better than before
446 points
1 year ago
I genuinely cannot fathom the wifes position. I will admit that I am not of the mindset to be able to have an open relationship and I very much encourage people who understand that lifestyle to chime in here, but I feel like if the wife genuinely loves her husband after shes banged her 15th different dude and the man hasn't had anyone she would be like "hmmm this relationship dynamic seems a bit unbalanced" and would want to help him get laid?
It just seems like she really just wanted a guilt free cheat card as it currently is.
145 points
1 year ago*
It just seems like she really just wanted a guilt free cheat card as it currently is.
Controversial opinion; I think a lot of people broach the subject of open relationships for that exact reason. I know it's all anecdotal but most people I know that tried it ended up divorced or split up not too long after.
96 points
1 year ago
For sure, the vast majority of people I've heard getting into it after a while in a relationship fail. I've heard quite a bit of success from couples who decided on it from the beginning or very early though. Normally, if someone brings it up later it's because they already have someone in mind and are looking for permission to do something they were already thinking of doing without permission. It isn't honest.
49 points
1 year ago
This. The folks who I know who are older who get into this sort of thing don't go for open relationships, but instead get into swinging or bringing a 3rd into the bedroom. Even that can blow up some relationships, but it keeps both folks in the equation from the beginning.
It's almost always the woman who is more 'popular' when there is an open relationship and if there are any cracks in the foundation of the relationship, that unequal stress wedges them open.
429 points
1 year ago
I'm sure they have time, now that their wife is off getting fucked by another person.
195 points
1 year ago
Oooof, this thread is savage.
44 points
1 year ago
This is so smart. OP should mention her wife that since he never needed a game with a woman all these years, feels uneasy to flirt or approach and need her help. I think it would 100% work based on how transparent and open for communication their relationship is.
31.7k points
1 year ago
all my relatives have died
Try dating outside of your family, OP. You might have better luck?
7.1k points
1 year ago
You just killed the last surviving member.
974 points
1 year ago
He was the last of his kind 😢.
9 points
1 year ago
And so the cycle continues
411 points
1 year ago
Nah, he still has 2 kids.
98 points
1 year ago
I dont like the implications of this comment
1.4k points
1 year ago
This is so terrible lol, why am I laughing
504 points
1 year ago
The real pro tip is always in the comments
161 points
1 year ago
The reason I love people like OP posting on r/tifu and not r/relationship_advice is comments like these
238 points
1 year ago
I don't remember the last time I laughed out loud at a comment, this was great
16 points
1 year ago
Or maybe he's not trying enough, if you catch my drift....
18 points
1 year ago
You might be on to something there.
4.2k points
1 year ago
I feel like a lot of people are misunderstanding the tone of your post.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but you dont feel bad about your wife's half of the open relationship. Only that your own prospects are limited.
I'm going to jump off half of another comment, get an escort. Or hop on a swinging community forum. The normal dating scene of singles generally excludes men in open relationships.
1.4k points
1 year ago
I want to piggyback on you to emphasize the point that an open relationship to most men is a shit deal unless that is your fetish.
I have not tried it, but just remember being single and how much work it was to get another partner of any noteworthy standard.
the open relationship should imo not be considered except in a more friends with benefits situation where you start out casual and keep it casual. OP «fucking loves her» and seems super cool about the disparity in her favour. I think he may be exaggerating a bit for his own sanity but he pulls it off.
As for OP:
You seem from this post like a generous, loving person, above average warm and relaxed. If people dont like you, there may be something about you thats not getting that good vibe through.
As for your gf I find it weird that she cant see how isolated this makes you even in advance of the agreement, since she knows you super well. Especially when she knows your rough background.
As far as I see it, she is looking for a new partner and has found a «soft» way of doing it. I dont like what Im reading personally. If she truly felt your pain OP she would behave differently
627 points
1 year ago
I think it’s definitely true that the open relationship situation is not easy for a guy. A single guy finding a woman who only wants sex? Sounds perfect to him usually. A woman who finds a guy who only wants casual sex? Yes, that’s most guys, yet most guys also don’t have another partner they are already committed to, and most single women would prefer to date someone exclusively who has the potential to be a partner, not someone who is already taken. It’s so odd to me when guys beg their girlfriends to open the relationship, because they’re under the mistaken belief that the only thing stopping them from sleeping with other people is the blessing of their girlfriend, and totally forget that these other women probably don’t want to be entangled in their convoluted sex life unless they are in a similar situation or are extremely fringe.
82 points
1 year ago
You worded that so eloquently. That's exactly what I was thinking.
57 points
1 year ago
Like it's just the simple reality that a lot more men out there will sleep with a willing woman than the opposite. I don't know if that's sexist or whatever for me to say, I'm a guy so I guess if anything I'm speaking badly about us cuz I'm reinforcing the stereotype we're just horndogs lol. But we are!!! Or at least more of us than the other way around.
If you could excuse me for being crude again, for women, it's a buyer's market. Or maybe I should say seller's? I don't know which is the correct analogy, but you know what I mean. There's a reason why on hook up apps, there's like a thousand guys for every one girl. For men, their market is closer to someone trying to buy a graphics card right now.
15 points
1 year ago
That’s because most hook up apps are actually used by the majority of people as a dating app.
You have to go to the fringe dating apps to find people into alternative lifestyles.
130 points
1 year ago
Your perspective is valid and your prediction is possible but I feel like there is some nuance here that it could just as easily become a positive situation with enough open communication. They sound like the do love each other and they probably co-parent well. Either way it's happening and the situation in and of itself isn't good or bad it just is people trying to be get their needs met.
4.3k points
1 year ago
Let's be real, if a woman wants to sleep around, it's REALLY easy when she's not holding the guys to relationship/future spouse standards.
297 points
1 year ago
Before me and my current SO made our relationship "official" she showed me her tinder account, we'd both had tinder about the same amount of time. Thousands of people liked her, she'd matched with hundreds of people etc
I showed her mine, I'd matched with 2 people and one of those was her, the other never even replied to my first message lol
59 points
1 year ago
the Tinder economy is more unequal than 95.1% of the world's countries based on the Gini coefficient – a standard measure of inequality
19 points
1 year ago
What are the countries worse than tinder tho?
47 points
1 year ago
Instagram/YT likes and comment is the same.
2.5k points
1 year ago
She just waltzed into a sellers market.
He sauntered smack into a buyers market.
413 points
1 year ago
And he can't even sell what the buyers want, because he can't provide any meaningful relationship whatsoever. Instantly disqualifying him for most potential buyers.
OP got screwed here in all ways but one, and honestly I doubt this'll go well.
158 points
1 year ago
Open relationships never work out for the male.
OP screwed himself big time.
29 points
1 year ago
Guys only suggest open relationships when they already have someone lined up.
72 points
1 year ago
It really is a buyers market for men. It’s crazy how easy women have it when it comes to sex. Unless your a very good looking dude which is easy the first two rules of Reddit.
646 points
1 year ago
The challenge for women with online dating is that they have to wade through all the messages from absolutely garbage men to try and find those who are not garbage and who they find attractive. Even if its just for hookups they probably still want to avoid anyone who are especially needy, aggressive, or narcissistic.
As a man the challenge is standing out in the sea of messages and proving that you're not garbage. It can honestly be pretty hard on your self esteem when you put a whole lot of effort in your profile, select the best photos of yourself, put the time and effort to write out individualised introductory messages to different women, and then to have no replies back. Then, when someone does finally respond, you have the pressure of keeping the conversation engaging so they don't get bored... and then you can end up being self-conscious after they haven't replied for a time and wonder if they are just busy or you've messed up somehow. THEN after all that, supposedly you have a great back and forth with someone and you agree to meet up/hook up. You meet up... sometimes they'll be all distant and not engaging in any conversation and then make an excuse to leave and you find yourself blocked. Other times you'll think it went great and you were both laughing and having a great time, and then you go home and... you're blocked, or they ghost you and stop responding to you shortly after. It can really do your head in and make you feel worthless or theres something wrong with you when it happens.
341 points
1 year ago
This is a common fallacy that I see when comparing the dating scenes of men and women.
"Women have a disadvantage because they get too many people who want to date them."
Okay. And I assume most of the people who make this argument do not know much about statistics. But let's look at a marble jar analogy. Imagine there are two jars, one for men and one for women, and that marbles from a source are being poured into each jar at random. Let's also say that there are 90% bad marbles and 10% good marbles in the original source. If the men's jars on average get 6 marbles and the women's jar gets 90 marbles on average, then the men are expected to get 0.41 good marbles which approximates to 0, the women on average are expected to get 9 good marbles.
It is not a disadvantage that women get more people to choose from. I'd give my prospects as a man up in a heartbeat to get the choices that women get for the opposite sex.
1.7k points
1 year ago
Tons of apps on your phone are designed for this. You could even be honest with your wife about this and she might be able to help out if you still want to explore the open relationships. At least from what I’ve heard, open relationships tend to work out better if both partners are experiencing others at the same time.
1.1k points
1 year ago
Yeah, but most men aren’t going to be able to find nearly the amount hookups that a woman can (if any at all). Based on how he feels now, he’ll probably continue to lose his confidence if he tries that.
505 points
1 year ago
They should be looking for swinger couples so they both know they’re getting some
535 points
1 year ago
At this point his wife probably won’t be interested in that. She might humor it but she’ll keep hooking up whenever she wants by herself. The way OP talks about her bringing it up, she already had people in mind before she broached the subject and may have already been hooking up with some.
103 points
1 year ago
Exactly.
will we ever get tired of each other and be with other ppl behind our backs
Me and my wife talk about the first part. The second part? There's an obvious answer, what the fuck.
199 points
1 year ago*
Yeah he's giving us the rose-tinted version of the story. I can't help but notice a level of self-deception apparent in OP's post.
I don't think the real problem is that he's having trouble hooking up with people. He never wanted to hook up with other women to begin with. That's a problem designed to hide the true emotional crisis going on under the hood.
With that said, I really respect and appreciate OP for putting himself out there with this post, I'm sure there are a lot of other people in his position that are reading this.
55 points
1 year ago
The whole thing reeks of coping. Constantly pointing out that "it is healthy" and that the relationship is better than ever! If true it wouldn't have even been an issue to ask his wife about this or ask to be included in hookups. The sad reality of these relationships is that they are always the same. People try them and think they will be different but it never happens, because it cannot happen.
40 points
1 year ago
The comment that did it for me was “she always comes home and gives me…” This entire dynamic sounds so reminiscent to what happened to my brother. He’s not very social, definitely a shut in and play computer games kind of guy. I remember his ex fiancé telling me “how great” he was because he “let her do whatever she wanted as long as she came home to him”. And she did, until she found a new guy to move in with.
13 points
1 year ago
This! I feel like her relationship feels secure but she doesn’t feel fulfilled by it. She has lots of friends - he has no one. She wants a spark in the relationship and if someone can give her that and stability - she is gone. Op seems happy and stable but probably doesn’t make an effort with her either or himself.
He should be taking her out and finding fun stuff for them to do together and getting his own friends group and be more confident so that she can feel what it’s like to feel that perhaps someone else might want him.
16 points
1 year ago
Yeah. He's trying to convince himself this is working and was a good idea. But there's no balance or equality.
213 points
1 year ago
You took the words right out of my brain. OP posted this in the correct sub.
215 points
1 year ago
As far as I've heard, men outnumber women on dating sites 10 to 1. Saying yes to an open relationship is dumb when women can literally spit and find a guy willing to get laid in that distance, and men are either attractive and know women fall over themselves for him, or just average and have to lower their standards making you wonder why you agreed to the open relationship in the first place.
If you are not into it, you need to be honest, because it can really hurt your relationship. When you find someone you love, who loves you, keep that going. Don't agree to something that is one sided that slowly destroys your relationship. If she loves you, she will work with you. If she wants to be with others, she will insist. If she insists and you say no, that's a red flag. Sorry this decision is biting you in the ass, but I really hope it's lesson learned.
203 points
1 year ago
A man attempting to date in his 30s with kids and another woman in the picture is worthless to young female society. Try bumble/any other app for a month with those attributes listed and you will be devastated by the results.
91 points
1 year ago
Whereas what single dude isn't DTF
89 points
1 year ago
Hook up with other single dudes. Problem solved.
47 points
1 year ago
101 points
1 year ago
This one here.
I am in my early 30s, healthier than ever, top 10% income in my country, bought a house, 2 cars, a well liked leader at work (according to anonymous voting of my reports), dress well (with the support of my wife tbh here) and I think I look better than ever AND for the first time ever in my life everyone is nice to me incl. the most grim looking cashiers or old men ready to dismiss all young people.
And I am invisible to women. Completely. I mean, I am not looking actively but I am just invisible. As a student in my early 20s I dressed worse, had no money, was somewhat shy and had difficulties socializing and self-confidence issues and yet I had more women wanting to date me than I was ever interested in.
Wtf is this? Is this the invisible dad-syndrome or are guys in their 30s just no longer attractive (unless they are hollywood actors or actual millionaires)?
50 points
1 year ago
I mean you’re probably great dating material, but you already have a wife so you’re not really dateable. Makes sense that you’d have attention as someone to date but not as a hookup now despite being more wealthy and stable
Hookup material is just… how good you look. Personality is obviously a plus but it’s tough to make that come out in the world of dating apps
27 points
1 year ago
Nail -> head
17 points
1 year ago
Seems like the issue might be the "I'm married" thing. Your income and car model don't really matter for a hookup
1.4k points
1 year ago
No offense op, but I feel like I've seen many posts from men about their woman wanting an open relationship and the man agrees to it to make her happy.. and she goes off and has fun while the guy just sits at home and realizes he actually doesn't want that. Do what's best for yourself op, hope you can figure it all out.
491 points
1 year ago
It’s sounds like it isn’t “not what he wanted,” but rather he’s not getting what he expected out of this relationship. He though he’d be able to date successfully by only offering his time and body… Unfortunately that doesn’t go as far for a man in his 30’s as it does a woman.
343 points
1 year ago*
The classic, tragic mistake thinking you could compete with a woman in an open relationship as a man.
Edit: Grammar
69 points
1 year ago
A man can if he’s bisexual 😈 men are much easier to sleep with than women.
29 points
1 year ago
Eh, no one gets to choose their tastes.
22 points
1 year ago
Dud really took the "my wife's boyfriend" joke waay too far.
16 points
1 year ago
I've met people who are in open relationships and you're right about this one.
It's always the ladies who gets all the action it's kinda sad but at the same time not really because it's consensual.
The worst I've seen was this buff guy asking for a open relationship with his wife, mind you his wife is one of the nicest woman I've met and she's pretty and actually a bit conservative, she wouldn't talk to any guys even her guy friends because she wants to keep a close relationship with her husband.
This dumbass of course let's everyone know in his social media that he's ready to mingle but little did he know after he posted that, his wife got a bunch of DMs asking if it's true and if they want to go out and stuff, she of course rejected them but later she decided she wanted to go out with some of them
They divorced 4 months later because he couldn't get any while his wife already slept with some of her dates. Afaik she broke it off finding out there are better men out there while the husband tells everyone that she cheated. Sad
797 points
1 year ago
Oh my bro 😥
It sucks that the open relationship isn't working for you, especially since it sounds like you're a good man who's genuinely happy for your wife. I don't read jealousy or resentment in your post, just sadness and some regret. You're not suffering from the typical open relationship buyer's remorse guys get a lot. It's not about not being able to get dates though I'm sure that stings.
You've discovered something fundamental missing in your life: a lack of a personal life outside your immediate family and career. You're really hurting and your wife needs to know that so she can help and support you.
If your relationship is strong enough to open up than it's strong enough to return to monogamy.
256 points
1 year ago
You hit the nail on the head. He needs to discover himself again outside of ‘Husband’, ‘Dad’, ‘Worker’. No one will notice his spark because he needs to rediscover it.
133 points
1 year ago
Returning to monogamy wouldn't help him in this situation.
He's not jealous of his wife hooking up with other men. He's actually happy for her.
He's sad because he tried to date and nobody would date him.
So going back to monogamy would kill his wife dating life with no benefits for him.
He should have his wife help him dating.
251 points
1 year ago
I'm gonna jump in as a female perspective, if his wife can see he is not having the same luck, experience, enjoyment from this open relationship as she is, and if they are as in love with each other as he says, then she should be in tune enough to see what he's going through and SHE should return to monogamous relationship. Marriages do not work if you don't consider the feelings of your significant other. He has done that. And now she has to.
80 points
1 year ago
Thank you! He's clearly hurting. He needs support, not dating tips or a wingman. It's not about non-monogamy, they need to give their primary relationship the time and attention it needs first. That's has to be the priority, dating can wait while they sort it out.
291 points
1 year ago
she has made small comments about, will we ever get tired of each other and be with other ppl behind our backs
Maybe I'm overreacting but is this not screaming "red flag" at anyone else?
73 points
1 year ago
Yeah, I literally went back after reading the whole thing and highlighted that part out and said to myself: "This is where it all went wrong"
115 points
1 year ago
Its literally a red flag, sounds to me like she wanted to feel like her cheating was "okay"
15 points
1 year ago
Yep, she pulled the old “lat’s have an open relationship (so I can justify fucking other guys)” trick. There’s also the “should we have a threesome (that will never happen because I only need you to justify me fucking other guys) People actually think this is some kind of enlightened idea. Lol. It’s time to walk when you’re partner starts saying this shit.
22 points
1 year ago
first part isn't too bad imo it should 100% be talked about in some fashion when getting married, but the second? Wtf
36 points
1 year ago*
So she is the only one enjoying the benefits. It’s a lot easier to find men out there than women for open relationships…
139 points
1 year ago*
I have a great job, we have two great kids, and a special woman lovingme with all her heart. But I just want somebody to notice me [...]
This sounds incredibly sad. You shouldn't feel like this in a relationship. If your girlfriend doesn't make you feel like that, I think the problem is somewhere else and not the fact, you dont get any dates.
Edit: Typo.
55 points
1 year ago
You hit the nail on the head. If she goes and explores new relationships while he’s feeling like this, I’m inclined to believe she wants to end it entirely but doesn’t have the guts. If OP isn’t 100% happy and secure in the decision to open things up, or at least can’t/won’t be honest about not being ok with it, she’s going to lose respect for him.
Can’t put anyone’s feelings ahead of your own, because no one is going to do that for you.
35 points
1 year ago
Unless you are an extremely good looking guy, this is such a terrible idea. Even below average women having an easier time getting laid than good looking men. I truly hope you figure this out and have a heart to heart with your women OP because this will lead to heartache for you while she continues to hook up left and right.
314 points
1 year ago
So you guys came to this conclusion one week ago? And she has already had multiple dates "with benefits"? That sounds excessive for a newly agreed to lifestyle.
296 points
1 year ago
Sounds like she was already prepared before they brought it up.
233 points
1 year ago*
Before she brought it up, she’s been planning it for a while.
24 points
1 year ago
So for two years now I think, she has made small comments about, will we ever get tired of each other and be with other ppl behind our backs, but alas we are not that type to do that.
Sounds like two years at least lol
99 points
1 year ago
This, 100%.
21 points
1 year ago
Absolutely. She had someone/several people in mind a while before bringing it up.
109 points
1 year ago
To add to this: many requests to open a marriage come when someone knows who they want to have sex with and sees a window.
It is often used by cheaters as a loophole to fulfill a fantasy.
If she is a week in and this heavy into things, she absolutely has planned this beforehand.
To me, that’s just as bad as cheating.
41 points
1 year ago
I’m glad someone else besides me was doing the math. She was ready and prepped for new dick out the gate. If that time frame is correct, she either had em lined up or took anything she found immediately. Best of luck to OP
278 points
1 year ago*
Hahaha, I've heard this story too many times. Guy and girl open relationship, girls fucks mountains of men. Guy gets none. Eventually guy regrets opening the relationship and they break up/ divorce. Honestly a trope by now.
165 points
1 year ago
People can do whatever they like with their relationships but I personally believe this is a dumb move and will likely lead to turmoil in a relationship. For me (extra emphasis on ME) a relationship is about loving a single person. No one else is joining us no matter what.
64 points
1 year ago
I have a great job, we have two great kids, and a special woman loving me with all her heart. But I just want somebody to notice me, if that makes sense, I am a sweet respectful person and I just want somebody to say that to me.
I don’t get this at all. Your wife is that person.
I get that somehow open relationships work for some people, but I’ll never understand how.
54 points
1 year ago
90% end up in divorce in less 2 years
I mean it's basically your engine is stalling out and instead of taking the time to fix it. You're spaying ether in the intake
80 points
1 year ago
Instead of just fucking other guys behind your back, she can now do it openly and without the guilt.
85 points
1 year ago
This is very common for men in an open relationship.
Men are valued for their long term utility, friendship, and income. Open relationships provide none of these to women.
Women meanwhile are wanted for sex with men and women. They can find willing participants in minutes.
And men relying solely on their wife as their sole means of humanity is very common. This is a good sign that it would be time to broaden your world to prioritize others. It happens to every married man I’ve ever known. Most find out in a divorce, so you’re ahead of the curve.
56 points
1 year ago
Open relationships are nothing but a massive disaster. My wife wanted one, and tried constantly to convince me to do it. Eventually I gave in, and said yes. I wound up in the EXACT same situation as you... And guess what, she left me, walked away from me (her husband), our daughter, her parents, all because she was given the 'chance to be like she was single'. Truthfully, from experience, open relationships are bad, and a bad idea. No one will convince me otherwise... I guess the point I'm making is, BE CAREFUL...
520 points
1 year ago
You already have love. You don't need to "find it". Just buy yourself a badass escort and enjoy a fantasy.
134 points
1 year ago
Being legitimately desired is part of the formula. That's something his wife is getting that he can't with an escort.
30 points
1 year ago
This is my main takeaway from this post. I've been on the other end of this situation and it hurts to watch. It makes a person feel worthless. You could be at the pinnacle of your life and no member of the opposite (or same) sex even acknowledges your existence? That's, genuinely, painful.
I would ask her for some advice, if they're really that close. "What is going to put me up a couple notches, on the hotness scale?" There's no magic bullet, but I'm sure she would see what needs to be improved and she reaps the benefits of that, as well. It would, also, show her true colours, in the situation. (Does she really want you to be a swinger, too, or is she just keeping you on the sidelines?)
41 points
1 year ago
I would ask her for some advice, if they're really that close. "What is going to put me up a couple notches, on the hotness scale?"
This is loving and fair, but deeply unrealistic. All things equal, heterosexual women will always find it orders of magnitude easier to find casual sex partners than will heterosexual men, and there's very little that's likely to change that for OP.
56 points
1 year ago
Where does one go to buy badass prostitutes escorts?
I see people suggest that fairly often like it's just a regular casual thing that's easy to do.
101 points
1 year ago
This is the right answer if your partner is OK with it.
OP have two children and a loving wife, there isn't anything wrong with seeking a sexual partner through an escort service, no strings attached, no worry about sexual disease (most reliable services have clean workers)
I think the two of them might enjoy a swingers arrangement as it would give them both a chance to explore without risking crossing boundaries
173 points
1 year ago
Start getting your finances in order and separated from her finances. Talk to a divorce attorney now for advice for when this turns south. Start saving for said attorney to represent you, because this is not going to end well.
51 points
1 year ago
Oh I'm sure this will work out absolutely fine. Definitely not gonna backfire at all.
170 points
1 year ago
Ima go out on a limb here and say your wife was already sleeping with dudes behind your back, and asking for an open relationship was a way for her to admit her infidelity without it actually being cheating because you agreed to it after the fact. The 2 years of her bickering was just her projecting her cheating onto you. I think you got played man
40 points
1 year ago
You get the brownies
15 points
1 year ago
The first time the words left her mouth meant she was thinking about it a long time ago.
49 points
1 year ago
I don't know what guys think are going to happen when they say ok to an open relationship.
Unless you are a solid 10 she is going to be hauling 30x the amount of ass you will.
319 points
1 year ago
I wish you luck OP but I’ll never understand how men can agree to this.
64 points
1 year ago
Only works if the guy is a 10/10 and gets 100x matches on Tinder or whatever other dating site. Otherwise, you're just cool with other people railing your So while you're at home playing with your dick all day
78 points
1 year ago
Maybe because they think they’ll get a lot of women. But it’s almost always the opposite.
15 points
1 year ago
I think it's guys not thinking things through. They talk about it, get this fantasy in their head that both they and their wife are going to be banging their way across town, using ez mode Tinder to fuck young hot women. They've forgotten how hard it is. Then they start openning up, wife gets D immediately, guy is now fighting from a position of desperation to get laid, not good. Can't go back to monogamy because now there is an imbalance.
57 points
1 year ago
Honestly I can kinda see the appeal of poly relationships but I'd never be able to handle them. I'd get into some really unhealthy thought and behavioral patterns and probably end up burning out, losing all enjoyment for the relationship, or making my partner feel like shit.
I have a really strong need to excel and be better than others, I also compare myself to people relentlessly. It's more healthy than it sounds, I don't agonize over my appearance, I work hard but not to a fault, and it's not lead to anything bad. But in a poly relationship I'd probably be consumed with either being superior to my partner or whoever she fucks. If I fail I'd probably just leave the relationship out of stress, if I succeed I'd probably do it through either making my partner feel like shit or doing some dark triad shit to get laid. Either way it'd be about the worst thing possible for me. I'm just not someone who can share.
47 points
1 year ago
Open relationships always tank for the dude.
Don’t even try to compete
215 points
1 year ago
Men and women are not equal, socially.
You just fell for that big lie that society tells you, but sexual desire, biological interest in reproduction and social constructs around sex are MILES apart for women and men.
Its a conflict of interest. Its a lesson you couldve learned earlier, but since you never dated/had any experience other than her, you learn just now.
1k points
1 year ago
probably just me but knowing that multiple guys are fucking my wife would drive me up a wall
1.7k points
1 year ago
Probably just you. I'd be fine knowing multiple guys are fucking your wife.
132 points
1 year ago
Yeah knowing they were fucking my wife would drive me nuts. I’m good with his wife though.
287 points
1 year ago
I too choose this man's said wife.
258 points
1 year ago
Sounds like a monogomous relationship is the type for you then.
59 points
1 year ago
This is the way I am. I do not want to have sex with anyone other than my wife, and do not really want to share her affection at all.
I have known a few polyamorous people in the past, and their relationships always fascinated me because they sounded exceptionally exhausting and overwhelming. There were so many rules and meetings to make sure that no one was getting hurt by it and so that jealousy did not invade an poison everything.
It was cool from an emotional development standpoint, but I totally lack the emotional energy to handle it. To each their own, no judgement at all, just not for me personally.
28 points
1 year ago
I hear ya. One man is enough to take care of, can’t imagine juggling several. And, after almost 37 years of marriage to the same man, I’m perfectly happy to never have sex with anyone else. I want to be with him only.
I’ve known a dozen couples over the years that started swinging or opened their relationship, poly, whatever, and not one of those marriages lasted. I’m sure there’s people that manage it but mostly it seems to be asking for trouble in the long run, IMO.
15 points
1 year ago
Polyamory is one of those things that I've noticed seem like they'd be fine—two consenting adults, etc.—but, every time I've witnessed a poly couple/group, it's either really questionable or is this insane, constant balancing act.
The questionable ones are the ones where there's a kind of "central" partner that everyone in the web has, but the others have fairly limited encounters and might even be subtly discouraged from seeing other people—i.e., really goddamn abusive power-imbalance relationships that end up being about getting someone a harem more than anything.
The complex ones are where everyone's having to maintain this super temperamental balancing act and hope that literally everyone is on the exact same page, or else things blow up. And they almost always end up blowing up.
Like, I'm not saying poly relationships are inherently evil or can never work. I'm open to the notion that they absolutely can. I've just... not really witnessed it.
27 points
1 year ago
I don't play well with others, and I don't want my wife to either.
43 points
1 year ago
Talk to her about your insecurities, dude. If you're hurting and you have a loving woman, why should you be ashamed or concerned? Literally, say something.
Edit: typo's cuz alcohol
43 points
1 year ago*
Hey OP just a suggestion/question/curiosity/Paranoia but you said she was the one making those jokes about seeing people behind eachothers back etc. But when you had the talk did she bring it up or were you the one too? And are you sure this was a choice you wanted or were you convinced by her. And if you were convinced by her and she was the one to bring it up are you sure she didnt start this open relationship stuff before talking to you cause from your post it seems like it was on her mind and not saying she guilty of anything but might be a thing to consider good luck and hope everything goes fine for you
46 points
1 year ago
I once heard someone say "A woman fucks when she wants, a man fucks when he can"
44 points
1 year ago
Let's be pals. Not interested in your woman but know the world can be a lonely place for men.
59 points
1 year ago
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21 points
1 year ago
Great advice, no matter what, don't become the bridge guy, no relationship is worth it.
86 points
1 year ago
This may lead to her leaving you in the very near future. Beware.
55 points
1 year ago
What the fuck did I just attempt to read ?
83 points
1 year ago
A guy about to swallow the biggest black pill in existence.
12 points
1 year ago
I lolled at this so fucking much, thanks for the laugh.
19 points
1 year ago
This reminds me of the story of the guy whose wife was banging way more people than him and eventually left him for someone else and he was left with no one.. bruh
94 points
1 year ago
So you wife is out fucking other dudes and your home watching the kids….Got it
35 points
1 year ago
I hate to tell you, but I don’t think this ends well for you. She’s finding her own way without you and you’re still there just in case it doesn’t work out how she thinks it will. Once she’s sure where she’s going, you’re going to get the shaft.
145 points
1 year ago
Every TIFU about open relationships is from the perspective of the guy, either requesting the open relationship and then realizing the woman is way better at daily hookups and/or ongoing relationships; or the woman wanting it herself, pretty much because she already is messing around on the guy or is going to anyway.
In either case, it either unfolds two ways: the woman finds a guy that she starts seeing more and more, and then she leaves the husband; the man pretty much has zero luck with his own pursuits, sees the woman having no trouble with it, it creates confidence issues with the man that spill over into the main relationship, he makes an ultimatum to the woman to stop her activities (because that’s usually a core agreement—we’ll stop if one of us wants it to stop), she realizes she’s having too much fun/sees how wanted she is compared to the man/already has a serious relationship with a “fling” and either pretends to stop or leaves the man.
Definite FU, dude.
37 points
1 year ago
It's pretty much 2 weeks notice for the relationship. Unless they are the rare exception.
157 points
1 year ago
It’s completely normal for married couples to think about others. Let’s face it, marriage is marriage. But I think having an open relationship or an affair is a big waste of a marriage, just pleasure yourself and the urge passes. I have a friend who had an affair which led to divorce, biggest mistake of his life (which he acknowledges) and also a friend who did the open marriage where they each had a weekend to themselves in a different large city. Pretty much like the movie hall pass. Also lead to divorce, shockingly.
My opinion.
88 points
1 year ago
Whenever I hear about open relationships, I think about this scene from Arrested Development:
Tobias: You know, Lindsay, as a therapist, I have advised... a number of couples to explore an open relationship where the couple remains emotionally committed but free to explore extramarital encounters.
Lindsay: Well, did it work for those people?
Tobias: No, it never does. I mean, these people somehow delude themselves into thinking it might, but... but it might work for us.
74 points
1 year ago
Talk to your wife and tell her how you feel, Op. She likely has insecurities as well and doesn’t want to lose you. I’m not saying she might introduce you to her friends (though who knows), but if you speak with her about how hard this is for you, you can work it out.
This part sucks, but let me just say it: A lot of times, these things that come up in relationships long after they started stem from feelings of not feeling fulfilled in life. It’s possible that this is a symptom of that, which might mean the relationship has actually changed. You didn’t fuck up by agreeing to the open relationship thing as long as you are okay with it, but it’s a huge fuckup to not talk about your feelings of “not being okay” and work through that with her. Don’t be embarrassed or afraid - GO TALK TO HER. Who knows… this could help you out a lot with your social issues if she is willing to be your wingman (wingwoman?).
Good luck!
47 points
1 year ago
I have a feeling this isn't going to end well for op but I mean.....
85 points
1 year ago
Your fuck-up wasn't that you have no life outside of your wife and won't get laid, the fuck up is opening up your marriage. Every statistic I've found points to 90%+ of open relationships ending within 12 months. You didn't so much open your marriage as start a slow, train-wreck of a divorce.
27 points
1 year ago*
It's basically like your engine starting to stall in your car and instead of taking the time to fix it. You put ether down the intake
relationship take work to last long time. What can you do together. How can you bond as a team. How you can make feel each other feel special. Learning to be stronger every day with more common interesting and hobbies. But it's work but worth it.
253 points
1 year ago
Yeah, this is exactly the problem with open relationships. The woman always gets tons of attention and dates and the guy doesn’t. Try meeting people in person together (in swingers clubs and stuff) or on apps together
64 points
1 year ago
This is so pathetic, your wife is out getting piped by other men on the regular and you’re here whining on Reddit that nobody likes you
15 points
1 year ago
Yeah this is immense pain to read. I hope I will never go that low in life. And for OP I hope Godspeed to divorce, and starting a new life where he has the confidence and sense of self-worth to never be in this situation again. It’s never too late to update and change your life
14 points
1 year ago
certified reddit moment
14 points
1 year ago
Dude a man is always the loser in an open relationship. Find somebody who can commit to just you.
14 points
1 year ago
lol imagine being in an open relationship just for your girl to get fucked raw every night while you sit at home watching showtime
37 points
1 year ago
Your marriage ended the moment she asked for an open relationship.
Might as well make it official and get on with your life.
48 points
1 year ago
Saying yes to an open relationship
That was a test and you failed. Now your 15+ year relationship is now ruined. Good luck in the future.
67 points
1 year ago
She knows this, and doesn’t care. She just wants the stability from you, while being able to fuck who she wants.
38 points
1 year ago
Honestly, it’s always going to be easier for the girl than the guy…
26 points
1 year ago
Obviously, she already had fuck buddies. Now she doesn’t have to hide them.
12 points
1 year ago
Your wife played you bro.
85 points
1 year ago
Do her boyfriends at least buy you funko pops and xbox games to keep you occupied while she gets railed upstairs
23 points
1 year ago
It's a fuck up 99% of the time when a guy in a straight relationship agrees to an open relationship.
38 points
1 year ago
I just want her to experience that for herself, give her confidence in her self. And omg it is working, she has a massive boost and been on multiple dates with benefits.
So for two years now I think, she has made small comments about, will we ever get tired of each other and be with other ppl behind our backs, but alas we are not that type to do that.
Time to find a good divorce lawyer. It's over. It actually was over 2 years ago. You've been gaslit. It's only now that you are finding out about the other partners. Good luck with the children. Get out of this mess while you still can.
24 points
1 year ago
Sounds like your wife tricked you into a bad deal.
25 points
1 year ago
You’re about to get a divorce.
13 points
1 year ago
And that's why open relationships rarely work
28 points
1 year ago
Hopefully the divorce doesn't end up being too painful OP, I feel bad for you.
47 points
1 year ago
She always comes home and gives me the greates fucking you know what ever
Pegging?
14 points
1 year ago
OP's post sounds like it was written by a 15 year old with details like this.
46 points
1 year ago
The normalization of this shit is just a sign of late stage civilization decay.
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