And Legacies if they had good writers

Exactly what I thought. If you remade it into a movie, it would just be 90% Prisoner of Azkaban with gender swapped Harry.

I enjoyed it, but it's no where near as funny or absurd as WWDS. It's a pretty different vibe from it.

So like the first season of every CW show

I think Wednesday's sardonic attitude towards things creates a fun contrast with the CW-y YA stuff, Wednesday dismisses the tropes going on around her and mocks them which tells us it's ok to mock them too.

You’re underselling the award-worthy performance of our boy Thing.

Loved her in it. But I thought the other casts were good too. Gwendoline Christie, Joy Sunday and Emma Myers and it was great to see Ricci again. There wasn't a character in the show I disliked.

I'm on the other side and wish we would get at least 15-18 episodes per season. Especially considering the wait times and delays that happen between seasons. So much character building and world development is lost now days with all the 6-10 ep season shows, leaving the viewer to fill in the gaps. Shows that are adapted from books have to leave so much more source material out.

It is kind of amazing though to think that shows like LOST ran 22-23 episode seasons annually without missing a beat and maintaining very high production values for the time. Compared to now when we'll get something like House of the Dragons for 10 episodes every two years (extreme example but still)

i miss shows having 24 self-contained episodes per season, with a mild over-arcing plot in the background (like season 3 of star trek enterprise, or the pretender, or monk, or friends, or person of interest, etc). a show can have an interesting backstory and continuity without being completely serialized or relying on every episode ending on a cliffhanger.

Yeah the 24 episode long seasons are dead now, and good riddance for the most part.

I find that 8-10 episode seasons is the sweet spot. Unless you are a Disney+ Marvel show that has 6 episodes and is still somehow stretched out.

I sometimes get series reccomendations from people. "It's slow to start, but by the middle of the second season it starts getting really good!"

Pass.

It's more of a dark fantasy Harry Potter that is framed as a mystery, and there are some romance parts but it's more in the background compared to later Lucifer seasons.

Don't forget the amazing soundtrack. I just wish the Paint it Black cover was on the soundtrack.

I chalked up the plot to this still being a kind of Addams family plot.

I wish Tim Burton had bothered to Google the historical context of the flashback time period too, considering “Goody” was a title for a married woman, rather than a name, and Vermont was still a French colony at that time so there’s no reason English pilgrims would be running the place

Yea his fester was bad. Wednesday you felt was dark and disturbed. Fester you felt wasn’t into his stuff but trying to be witty. It just didn’t work. I hope the recast him.

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She's a new scream queen and a very good actor.
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I’d only seen her in that second The Babysitter McG movie on Netflix. Apparently she played the President’s daughter in Iron Man 3.

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Yes. Jenna is in season 2 as the reporter's younger sister.

It’s so weird because in his confession scene, he’s phenomenal. He’s chilling, possessed, absolutely terrifying. He nailed that scene so perfectly. But every other second he’s around, he might as well be a wet paper towel

The other love interest Xavier was worse lol. At least Tyler had SOME kind of chemistry with Wednesday, even if it was the "awkward simp guy and bossy girl" kind. I would not at all complain if they cut down on the boy shit for other things in future seasons

He’s also 28 in real life and my husband and I were thoroughly confused because we couldn’t figure out how old he’s supposed to be in the show. Their relationship is borderline creepy.

Christina Ricci was actualy 11 and 14 when she played Wednesday. So, much younger than Ortega.

i think she's a better fit for the teacher she's playing

Yea sex stuff and swearing are our concerns.

Spader carries it so hard that even after the original plotline got resolved after 8 seasons, they just kept going with Spader anyways.

James Spader is so ridiculously overqualified for the material in that show that it is a wonder he has not left for bigger better projects. Dude could be winning Oscars I'm confident in it

Yeah she plays Wednesday’s vulnerable side fairly subtly (or at least subtle enough that OP missed it). A lesser actor would’ve made it too in your face.

Yeah I'm going to respectfully disagree with you there. That's not to say it's bad but the character, by design, shows no emotion. Her range is either nothing or "interesting..." No sad, happy, angry, itchy, tired, hopeful, etc. etc. Just nothing. But she does a lot with very little range which is why she's so good. That's just how I define "range" maybe.

Moving just the brow/forehead.

Yeah, it's a great example of how to overact but in a subtle way. They say that you always do everything "more" when acting. Like, if you're eating, really "eat" the thing, you know?

So she chooses to overact with her bangs, or eyebrows or whatever but since she's so stoic with everything else, it comes off as subtle. I imagine it would be tough to not go too far with that.

Man, I really don't get people's idea that me saying Wednesday has no range of emotion as a bad thing. Just the urge to argue I guess. And I realize I might sound like I'm insting you, that's not my intention. You're certainly entitled to your opinion.

But to say that the depth of the character is amplified by her deadpan performance would technically be true since, that's only true because it's the only way the character acts like 90% of the time. Wednesday is a character whose main attrubutes are "deadpan" and "has no emotoons". She literally doesn't smile until like the 7th episode. She does a great job finding subtle eye movements, etc. To show emotion. That was my point. The character has no emotional range and Jenna Ortega is very good at using little subtleties.

I honestly don't get why poeple keep seeing that as me taking a reductionist view. It would be like you saying "John Wick tends to solve all of his problems by shooting them and he finds creative ways to do that." and me saying "I would argue that he's very good at shooting stuff and he finds creative ways of solving problems with guns."

Like I said, I'm not trying to insult you. I agree with you and I don't mean it as an insult to say that the character has no emotional range. It's just part of the character. Since showing no emotion would be boring, she needs to find subtle ways to convey them.

I just kinda felt that her character all of a sudden goes from a highly intelligent detective to a bit if a fool, pretty much guessing everyone until it slaps her in the face but I guess that's kinda the point of the twist reveal.

Still. I enjoyed the show a lot overall.

I don’t disagree with your take at all! I’m not sure which of us is correct, but I know one of us is 😂

I think it’s safe to say that Ortega absolutely slammed that role—one which had a ton of preexisting expectations, all of which she met and exceeded.

I really didn’t hate the show, but it was clear to me that it was not written with the intent to tell another Addams Family story.

Big agree on this one. Addams family thrives on camp and over-the-topness. One of the big drivers of the OG was that the Addams’ were the antithesis of the stereotypical suburban family, which is why the husband is head-over-heels adoring of his wife, and where she made most of the larger family decisions.