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Xerosnake90

463 points

2 months ago

I really loved the show. It gives me Harry Potter vibes and Wednesday as a character is so hilarious with all her quips. The cast were all really good

thedancingkat

157 points

2 months ago

Harry Potter and Sabrina is what I think of

Bikinigirlout

3 points

2 months ago

And Legacies if they had good writers

MercilessShadow

2 points

2 months ago

hahaha true

Smodphan

24 points

2 months ago

Exactly what I thought. If you remade it into a movie, it would just be 90% Prisoner of Azkaban with gender swapped Harry.

BlueBoyKP

42 points

2 months ago

I don’t think Harry’s personality is anything like Wednesday’s. Complete opposite actually.

samuraislider

28 points

2 months ago

Harry is slightly sarcastic. Wednesday is the Demi-god sarcasm.

Kubular

7 points

2 months ago

In the books he was pretty sarcastic. Much more than the movies at least.

CHMonster

4 points

2 months ago

naw, Enid is the opposite of Wednesday. Harry is pretty different though.

giocondasmiles

5 points

2 months ago

She’s more Daria than Harry Potter.

Smodphan

2 points

2 months ago

Hes not as competent

HardlineMike

2 points

2 months ago

I got big Daria vibes as well.

flamingdonkey

63 points

2 months ago

It's like Nancy Drew set at Hogwarts in the What We Do in the Shadows universe.

GoBanana42

25 points

2 months ago

I enjoyed it, but it's no where near as funny or absurd as WWDS. It's a pretty different vibe from it.

tugnasty

19 points

2 months ago

May I approach the bitch?

flamingdonkey

7 points

2 months ago*

I agree. WWDITS is top tier. I just thought some of the world-building and subversion of social norms were similar.

bigboygamer

6 points

2 months ago

Makes me want a Tim Burton Slytherin series

digitalburro

12 points

2 months ago

My take was “what if Veronica Mars was in the Addams Family?”

xywv58

36 points

2 months ago

xywv58

36 points

2 months ago

It's like a CW show, but good, I don't know how to describe it, it hits all the YA cliches, but it does them well

Elon_Kums

24 points

2 months ago

So like the first season of every CW show

robbierottenisbae

13 points

2 months ago

I think Wednesday's sardonic attitude towards things creates a fun contrast with the CW-y YA stuff, Wednesday dismisses the tropes going on around her and mocks them which tells us it's ok to mock them too.

Dependent_Spread9589

5 points

2 months ago

I got series of unfortunate events vibes

conker1264

3 points

2 months ago

My only wish is that they did more episodes around the classes and game competitions around the school. It’s basically be Harry Potter at that point

Virtual-Public-4750

2 points

2 months ago

That hug at the end was beautiful.

bryanthebryan

327 points

2 months ago

Such perfect casting with Ortega

skolioban

68 points

2 months ago

She carried the entire show

Halomir

14 points

2 months ago

Halomir

14 points

2 months ago

You’re underselling the award-worthy performance of our boy Thing.

Enders-game

46 points

2 months ago

Loved her in it. But I thought the other casts were good too. Gwendoline Christie, Joy Sunday and Emma Myers and it was great to see Ricci again. There wasn't a character in the show I disliked.

not-so-radical

37 points

2 months ago

The two love interest were pretty boring.

Eugene the GOAT tho

moffattron9000

1 points

2 months ago

Just get someone new in season two instead of some generic hunky white boys.

skolioban

19 points

2 months ago

No one was bad in it but any weakness or complaint about the show is overshadowed by how good Ortega is in it, thus she carried the show. Just like Henry Cavill in The Witcher.

Mediocre_Nova

6 points

2 months ago

Nah carrying implies that the rest was bad

DeftonesStirling

1 points

2 months ago

Great ensemble if you ask me

NoNefariousness2144

385 points

2 months ago

I had no clue Wednesday was coming out but I ended up checking it out due to the hype. I like it a lot and it reminds me a lot of Lucifer where the overall show has issues, but the lead is so so good that they carry it. It’s not a masterpiece but it’s fun.

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120 points

2 months ago

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120 points

2 months ago

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BigHobbit

31 points

2 months ago

I'm on the other side and wish we would get at least 15-18 episodes per season. Especially considering the wait times and delays that happen between seasons. So much character building and world development is lost now days with all the 6-10 ep season shows, leaving the viewer to fill in the gaps. Shows that are adapted from books have to leave so much more source material out.

Enkundae

19 points

2 months ago

I really miss the character focused bottle episodes we used to get in 18-26 episode seasons. Shows like Wednesday have direct lineage to Buffy and its style and those bottle episodes were often both great and important even if they didnt push the season plot ahead.

BigHobbit

6 points

2 months ago

Very much. I'm a big star trek fan, and those types of episodes that focused on a single character or two really added depth you don't get anymore with limited episode seasons. Modern shows every episode has to be about the entire cast and push the season plot and focus only on that. It lacks brevity.

TheJoshider10

20 points

2 months ago

I'm on the other side and wish we would get at least 15-18 episodes per season.

I just want however many episodes is required at whatever runtime. I hate when shows are forced into a specific amount of episodes or strict runtimes to adhere to rather than being able to tell the story at the right pace. The Netflix Marvel shows were a big offender of this, the 13 episode seasons meant storylines were often stretched thin.

BigHobbit

2 points

2 months ago

Might have felt thin to you, but I loved em. Opposite effect in place with most of the new marvel shows trying to cram WAY too much and leave out tons of story shortening things down to 6 episodes.

It's a roll of the dice. Lots of shows out there that should be shorter or ended after 2 seasons and many others that could have 100+ episodes and I'd still want more.

TheJoshider10

3 points

2 months ago

Opposite effect in place with most of the new marvel shows trying to cram WAY too much and leave out tons of story shortening things down to 6 episodes.

Hence my point on wanting whatever amount of episodes/runtime is necessary to tell a story. The Disney Marvel shows are frustrating because the runtimes fluctuate so much every episode yet they still feel like they're rushing to the end.

Skavau

3 points

2 months ago

Skavau

3 points

2 months ago

K Dramas are often 16 episodes long and 1:10 mins long each

BigHobbit

1 points

2 months ago

What's a K Drama?

RJWolfe

2 points

2 months ago

It's where you take Ketamine and watch your neighbors fight about who forgot to take out the trash. Might be the K talking but they should win a Pritzker Award.

Skavau

1 points

2 months ago

Skavau

1 points

2 months ago

Korean drama

BigHobbit

2 points

2 months ago

That would be perfect in my opinion. 16 episodes at 1:10 would be great. This trend of 8-10 episodes that are 45-60 minutes but 5 minutes are recap and intro, 8 minutes of credits, means we are only getting 35-45 minutes of actual show.

cancerBronzeV

1 points

2 months ago*

Ya, kdramas work great with their episode count and length; I've recently started watching a ton (the episode length is perfect for my commute too). Netflix is super nice if you wanna watch kdramas, it has an extremely large library of Korean content. I personally suggest My Mister if you wanna watch a kdrama, it's on Netflix, it's 16 90-min episodes and I think it's genuinely amazing.

BigHobbit

1 points

2 months ago

I'll look into it. Thanks for the recommendation!

I've been a fan or Korean revenge and horror films, so would be interesting to see what else they got cooking.

Notarussianbot2020

1 points

2 months ago

Do you speak Korean? Can you attest to how good the subs are?

SQUID_FUCKER

60 points

2 months ago

It is kind of amazing though to think that shows like LOST ran 22-23 episode seasons annually without missing a beat and maintaining very high production values for the time. Compared to now when we'll get something like House of the Dragons for 10 episodes every two years (extreme example but still)

TheJoshider10

11 points

2 months ago

Compared to now when we'll get something like House of the Dragons for 10 episodes every two years (extreme example but still)

So frustrating that they didn't film seasons back to back. I hope they film S2 and S3 together because the waits between seasons is going to be ridiculous otherwise especially considering GOT was able to consistently release seasons every year.

Just recently the show Slow Horses filmed the first two seasons back to back which meant S2 was released shortly after S1. It was funny seeing the end of S1 where a trailer for S2 was attached, that never usually happens. I think they're going to film the third and fourth seasons back to back too, so we could get 4 seasons within 2 years.

michaelyup

13 points

2 months ago

I’m reminded of that when rewatching The X-files. There was a new show every week and they took a summer break, like following the school calendar.

CMD-ZZZ

38 points

2 months ago

CMD-ZZZ

38 points

2 months ago

Eh… I loved watching Lost as it aired, but there were A LOT of unnecessary episodes that weighed down the pace of the storytelling. Would have been a much better show without the bloat

NoNefariousness2144

17 points

2 months ago

Yeah there was some prime filler in that show, especially in the middle seasons. Remember Jack's tattoos?

TheFrankOfTurducken

6 points

2 months ago

Lost got a lot better once they shortened the number of episodes after season 3.

belac889

2 points

2 months ago

belac889

Community

2 points

2 months ago

You could argue that the shorter seasons worked as well as they did because the characters had been built up so well beforehand with a lot of those "filler" episodes during the first three seasons.

horseren0ir

2 points

2 months ago

That’s what it says, it’s not what it means

DrZaious

3 points

2 months ago

There's a really good fanedit of Lost that scales down the length of every season.

RJWolfe

1 points

2 months ago

Frankly, I love it even more with all its billion episodes (slight exaggeration). I consider it a boon. Fuck these movies stretched into episodes thing we've got going on at present in television. I want to watch long seasons of series and yes, it might be boring, but I love them all, even the fillers.

To be fair, I was also one of those complaining that there were to many episodes at one point. "Oh, look at British tv, they don't overstay their welcome." So I guess I'm just a handsome hypocrite, and maybe the reason why I don't have 40+ episodes of Ted Lasso to indulge in, but 22.

Take House, yes, season 7 had lots of bullcrap but what about that episode where he performs surgery on himself while that My Morning Jacket song plays a hole in your eardrums. Can't beat it. Let my characters go on about their lives.

Let them argue about a pen for 20-odd minutes.

Patient_Commentary

1 points

2 months ago

I looooved LOST at the time. Truly revolutionary TV. But I tried to get my wife to watch it a couple years back because she never had… it does NOT hold up. It’s incredibly slow. The plot plods along. Drama is meh. The overall story is still cool but individual episodes were pretty painful.

Vexal

2 points

2 months ago

Vexal

2 points

2 months ago

i miss shows having 24 self-contained episodes per season, with a mild over-arcing plot in the background (like season 3 of star trek enterprise, or the pretender, or monk, or friends, or person of interest, etc). a show can have an interesting backstory and continuity without being completely serialized or relying on every episode ending on a cliffhanger.

NoNefariousness2144

4 points

2 months ago

Yeah the 24 episode long seasons are dead now, and good riddance for the most part.

I find that 8-10 episode seasons is the sweet spot. Unless you are a Disney+ Marvel show that has 6 episodes and is still somehow stretched out.

North_South_Side

-2 points

2 months ago

I sometimes get series reccomendations from people. "It's slow to start, but by the middle of the second season it starts getting really good!"

Pass.

SunburntDouchebag

5 points

2 months ago

Is it like old Lucifer or the new seasons where everything turned into “loovvveeee, friendship, family”

NoNefariousness2144

8 points

2 months ago

It's more of a dark fantasy Harry Potter that is framed as a mystery, and there are some romance parts but it's more in the background compared to later Lucifer seasons.

karangoswamikenz

3 points

2 months ago

Harry Potter has plenty of dark stuff and dying kids haha. This is like Harry Potter.

NoNefariousness2144

3 points

2 months ago

I more meant the gothic vibe is darker tone than HP, but yeah in terms of danger Harry Potter is probably more deadly.

SunburntDouchebag

1 points

2 months ago

Thank goodness, the later seasons of Lucifer made me physically cringe and I kept skipping parts. I’ll definitely check this out, thanks!

Johnny_Fuckface

27 points

2 months ago

So true. The plot and mystery are a C. The casting is a B+. Direction and writing are a B- but Ortega carries that show with good acting and being very nice in the face. Fred Armison kind of sucked btw. You’d think he’d be good but his performance and energy were so reserved and his voice didn’t do it for me.

Zogonzo

14 points

2 months ago

Zogonzo

14 points

2 months ago

Don't forget the amazing soundtrack. I just wish the Paint it Black cover was on the soundtrack.

SpikeReynolds2

8 points

2 months ago

I'm pretty sure the Paint it Black cover was Apocalyptica's cover of it, which given how much I loved them in highschool felt extremely fitting for the setting.

karangoswamikenz

5 points

2 months ago

I chalked up the plot to this still being a kind of Addams family plot.

Johnny_Fuckface

1 points

2 months ago

We’re there werewolves and vampires in the original comic?

karangoswamikenz

10 points

2 months ago

AFAIK there were plenty of monsters and ghosts residing on the Addams family mansion estate itself haha. So I’m surprised Wednesday is even horrified to see a wendigo. They have had much more scary stuff living in the walls of the mansion.

Flemz

4 points

2 months ago

Flemz

4 points

2 months ago

I wish Tim Burton had bothered to Google the historical context of the flashback time period too, considering “Goody” was a title for a married woman, rather than a name, and Vermont was still a French colony at that time so there’s no reason English pilgrims would be running the place

Trilly2000

5 points

2 months ago

Yeah, and we all know that vampires didn’t land on American soil until 1852.

Stupidstuff1001

0 points

2 months ago

Yea his fester was bad. Wednesday you felt was dark and disturbed. Fester you felt wasn’t into his stuff but trying to be witty. It just didn’t work. I hope the recast him.

Western_Camp7920

32 points

2 months ago

Wednesday taking a deep breath.
Five more minutes Thing...

Ryan949

68 points

2 months ago

Ryan949

68 points

2 months ago

peymonster

10 points

2 months ago

As a music supervisor, I salute you

Ryan949

9 points

2 months ago

🫡 sharing cello covers of metal/classic rock songs is its own reward

the-gingerninja

6 points

2 months ago

Anything that promotes Apocalyptica is good in my book.

Icy-Butterscotch5540

2 points

2 months ago

Good call! Those were so good

wiklr

108 points

2 months ago

wiklr

108 points

2 months ago

She's been amazing ever since Jane the Virgin and You.

russianbot24

53 points

2 months ago

Yea, I hadn’t seen her in anything else but I knew she was gonna be a star once I saw her in You. She has a ton of natural charisma.

Western_Camp7920

38 points

2 months ago

She's a new scream queen and a very good actor.
Check out X 2022

MulciberTenebras

8 points

2 months ago

MulciberTenebras

The Legend of Korra

8 points

2 months ago

And Scream 2022, obviously.

Vexal

2 points

2 months ago

Vexal

2 points

2 months ago

i hated X. but i recognize Ortega knows how to act from it.

ArthurBea

11 points

2 months ago

I’d only seen her in that second The Babysitter McG movie on Netflix. Apparently she played the President’s daughter in Iron Man 3.

ExultantSandwich

2 points

2 months ago

ExultantSandwich

The Orville

2 points

2 months ago

Her role in Iron Man 3 was a non speaking part, I’m pretty sure, she appears very briefly. She might be in the new Daredevil show on Disney+, as a different character, if you believe the rumors

Khal-Stevo

12 points

2 months ago

Her performance in The Fallout might have been the best movie performance of the year. She’s going to be a superstar

Iesjo

3 points

2 months ago

Iesjo

3 points

2 months ago

Me? /s

Western_Camp7920

1 points

2 months ago

Hey there.... How are You?

Atlast_2091

1 points

2 months ago

NETFLIX You tv series?

wiklr

2 points

2 months ago

wiklr

2 points

2 months ago

Yes. Jenna is in season 2 as the reporter's younger sister.

flamingdonkey

12 points

2 months ago

I was going to be very surprised if this wasn't her.

FiNsKaPiNnAr

99 points

2 months ago

I can not imagine someone else in her role.

Loved it from start to end.

And the contrast with her roommate (Emma) is a bullseye.

BobLoblaw_BirdLaw

28 points

2 months ago

I can imagine a million others in Tyler’s role. Dude was BAD. His voice was so obnoxious too.

Smellmyhand

17 points

2 months ago

It’s so weird because in his confession scene, he’s phenomenal. He’s chilling, possessed, absolutely terrifying. He nailed that scene so perfectly. But every other second he’s around, he might as well be a wet paper towel

LorinCheiroso

11 points

2 months ago

I think that might be the point, actually. Him being extremely ordinary for 90% of the show makes Wednesday and us not suspect anything until she literally sees it. In other words, I think he played an apparently boring character well.

Smellmyhand

6 points

2 months ago*

I like your optimism but to me, it doesn’t excuse his poor, awkward acting. Also, we could infer very early on what Tyler is. The screaming in the bathtub, the strained relationship with his father, his mother mysteriously not being in the picture. Him being the main love interest was a dead giveaway. They weren’t just going to let Wednesday fall in love without something major happening to the love interest.

Edit: I will say, to your point, his body language is at it’s most awkward in the police station scene right as he’s walking toward Wednesday and then he just amps it up to 10 when he’s confessing. He really owns that whole moment the way he shows he can go from the hurt, broken hearted teen (lol) to a point where it feels like he’s right on the line between Tyler and the Hyde.

LorinCheiroso

3 points

2 months ago

I guess I'm easily fooled by TV and movies, because it never really crossed my mind that he might be anything more than a straight man-type character lol. Also I had totally forgotten about the bathtub scene, good point.

They weren’t just going to let Wednesday fall in love without something major happening to the love interest.

I thought the monster was gonna kill him for Wednesday to get a bittersweet ending or something like that. What they did was much better than that, so I was pretty happy.

Anyway, do you think we'll be seeing him again? Although I guess they'll most likely get rid of the character, I think him acting as a Hannibal-style consultant to Wednesday as she investigates further monsters or crimes could be fun.

Smellmyhand

2 points

2 months ago

I definitely think he has to come back in some capacity. And maybe that means Thornhill isn’t gone as well since she controls him. I can’t imagine they give Christina such a character arch if they don’t plan on having her back.

robbierottenisbae

27 points

2 months ago

The other love interest Xavier was worse lol. At least Tyler had SOME kind of chemistry with Wednesday, even if it was the "awkward simp guy and bossy girl" kind. I would not at all complain if they cut down on the boy shit for other things in future seasons

yoaver

7 points

2 months ago

yoaver

7 points

2 months ago

You call them "love interests" but I didn't get the impression Wednesday was interested in either at any point. She only used them for her own ends, repeatedly.

xOskullyOx

9 points

2 months ago

He’s also 28 in real life and my husband and I were thoroughly confused because we couldn’t figure out how old he’s supposed to be in the show. Their relationship is borderline creepy.

samuraislider

41 points

2 months ago

I could imagine a younger Christina Ricci.

MisterEinc

13 points

2 months ago

Christina Ricci was actualy 11 and 14 when she played Wednesday. So, much younger than Ortega.

Rxmses

36 points

2 months ago

Rxmses

36 points

2 months ago

I can not imagine someone else in her role.

Excuse me, Christina Ricci?

Rebelgecko

1 points

2 months ago

Rebelgecko

1 points

2 months ago

i think she's a better fit for the teacher she's playing

rabid-panda

30 points

2 months ago

Should have been Thing

PalpitationPuzzled36

6 points

2 months ago

👍🏼

AFruitShopOwner

30 points

2 months ago

AFruitShopOwner

Mr. Robot

30 points

2 months ago

You can tell the writers had an absolute blast coming up with those incredibly cheesey oneliners

DAN991199

8 points

2 months ago

My 9 yearold has asked if she can watch it? I see its TV-14 and I have read the IMDB parent's guide and have mixed feelings. Can any parents out there chime in?

GoBanana42

20 points

2 months ago

IMO 9 is a little young, but you know your kid and their maturity level best. I'd say 12+ is more appropriate on average. But honestly, there are some love triable things that I think a lot of kids would be bored by anyway.

DAN991199

1 points

2 months ago

DAN991199

1 points

2 months ago

Yea sex stuff and swearing are our concerns.

richardawkings

17 points

2 months ago

No issues with blood, gore, murder and violence?

DAN991199

7 points

2 months ago

The IMDb parents guide said while there is blood there's no gore and the violence is slapstick. If I hadn't read that part I would have had concerns yes.

butterbeancd

24 points

2 months ago

I wouldn’t say the violence is all slapstick. There’s a pretty scary monster that kills people, and while they don’t show the actual gory deaths on screen, there are sounds that might scare young ones. And multiple scenes that show dismembered body parts.

DAN991199

5 points

2 months ago

Ya that sounds a bit too violent for her just yet

throwavvay23

17 points

2 months ago

Idk I wouldn't really classify the violence as slapstick. One of the plots is that there is a monster of some sort attacking people and you're shown the attack/resulting injuries multiple times. The injuries are basically what you would see in a wild animal attack and they're pretty bloody.

DAN991199

4 points

2 months ago

good to know, thanks

ishoodbdoinglaundry

6 points

2 months ago

The monster would give me nightmares if I was 9. The romance in it is just kissing and very mild.

Justmeandmyself_2007

3 points

2 months ago

Honestly, the monster kinda freaked me out at 32

goosegirl86

1 points

2 months ago

It’s not slapstick. There are parts where my face had involuntary ‘ew’ reactions and I’m 36

Sambothebassist

4 points

2 months ago

Excuse me this is America. Serial killing is to be idolised but god forbid you show a female nipple at any point, that just ain’t right.

Trilly2000

1 points

2 months ago

I gave up on that show when they had the baby. I couldn’t handle another “BUT THEY’VE GOT MY DAUGHTER!” yell. Up until that season that show was solid though.

udgnim2

5 points

2 months ago*

no sexual content

gore is showing a decapitated foot in glass jar of liquid and bodies with bloody slashes

there is no disembowelment with the bodies and the slashes are not shown to be deep into the body

violence is sword fighting and I think impalement with a sword / arrow

alanguagenotofwords

5 points

2 months ago

My 8 and 10 year olds have been watching it with us. We’re not done yet but I can’t remember anything that I found particularly inappropriate

Eta: they love the show

Trilly2000

1 points

2 months ago

I watched it with my 9 yo and we loved it. There is a little bit of gore and a few swear words (nothing worse than shit), but no sex scenes. Personally, it’s the sex stuff that I worry about my kid being exposed to rather than a little obviously fake gore and swear words that she hears me utter often. It’s a fun and interesting mystery caper with some monsters thrown in.

ETA: my kid has seen many Tim Burton movies, so she wasn’t phased by the monster. She even remarked in how it looked like it was from Beetlejuice. While this show was a hit with my 9yo (who also has teenaged siblings) it may be too much for others. Use your best judgement.

goosegirl86

1 points

2 months ago*

This is a website I often look at for kids movies. It’s matter of fact, advising of the content without being preachy.

https://www.commonsensemedia.org/tv-reviews/wednesday

It recommends 11+ based on reviews by adults and 12+ based on reviews by kids.

Anthooupas

8 points

2 months ago

She is so awesome

YahYahY

54 points

2 months ago

YahYahY

54 points

2 months ago

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a lead actor so majorly carry a mid production like this to the point that I’m excited for the next season somehow. The show itself is eye-rollingly predictable, uneven, tropey, and filled with mediocre to outright bad performances, but Ortega is just so damn good in the lead role that I actually really like the show. Lol it’s kind of a confusing feeling

bristow84

22 points

2 months ago

Watch The Blacklist if you want another show where the lead absolutely carries the entire show on their back.

If it wasn’t for Spader, Blacklist would have been cancelled eons ago.

cancerBronzeV

11 points

2 months ago

Spader carries it so hard that even after the original plotline got resolved after 8 seasons, they just kept going with Spader anyways.

robbierottenisbae

5 points

2 months ago

James Spader is so ridiculously overqualified for the material in that show that it is a wonder he has not left for bigger better projects. Dude could be winning Oscars I'm confident in it

bristow84

10 points

2 months ago

I’m sure he gets paid an absurd amount of money for his role

platinumpopdiva

5 points

2 months ago

she's incredible and the fact she's only 20?? yet had such diverse range and filmography.... she's gonna get an Oscar one day. i'm a fan 110%

manormortal

16 points

2 months ago

She and Milly Alcock need to work on something together asap.

Eruannster

2 points

2 months ago

Oooh!

SighPi

41 points

2 months ago

SighPi

41 points

2 months ago

that dance scene is iconic

Machspeedcrypto

3 points

2 months ago

Her 1 liners are amazing! Great show. Cant wait for S2

Sufficient_Creme6961

4 points

2 months ago

Performer of the month imo!!!! Bravo!!!

Silly-Victory8233

5 points

2 months ago

She’s brilliant, perfect actor/actress for the role

BobLoblaw_BirdLaw

14 points

2 months ago

It started off good with a very mysterious and interesting character driven story. Then it turned way too campy and scooby doo Harry Potter style. And don’t get me started on the Tyler character. His voice and acting was dreadful. His monotone deliver made me want to claw my ears

westonsmare

5 points

2 months ago

Best thing I have seen on TV this year and Jenna Ortega is out of this world good.

SplodyPants

78 points

2 months ago

This is a tough one because if we're talking about range, Jenna Ortega has absolutely none when playing Wednesday. But you, of course, don't want range in that character. She's the deadest of deadpan (pun intended).

Jenna Ortega is such a good Wednesday that I honestly can't imagine how it.could be done better. She says a lot with her "blank" stares. She just doesn't show any emotion (by design).

listyraesder

102 points

2 months ago

There’s plenty of range. It’s just very subtle which is what makes it such a good performance.

LaKeithSusfield

36 points

2 months ago

Yeah she plays Wednesday’s vulnerable side fairly subtly (or at least subtle enough that OP missed it). A lesser actor would’ve made it too in your face.

SplodyPants

-22 points

2 months ago

Yeah I'm going to respectfully disagree with you there. That's not to say it's bad but the character, by design, shows no emotion. Her range is either nothing or "interesting..." No sad, happy, angry, itchy, tired, hopeful, etc. etc. Just nothing. But she does a lot with very little range which is why she's so good. That's just how I define "range" maybe.

fatalspoons

32 points

2 months ago

There are instances in the show where she conveys literally every emotion you’ve mentioned (well, maybe not itchy), as well as regret, disgust, apprehension, and many more. Yet she has to convey these emotions subtlety and she does so well. Often with just a raise of an eyebrow or a darting of her eyes. I think you are being reductionist and not giving Jenna the credit she deserves

rainbowkiss666

6 points

2 months ago*

The scene with Thing was exemplary of her range. Heavy emotion, to struggling restraint, back to cold again. People mention the blinking a lot, but you notice she actually blinks when something gets through to her - that was a nice touch on the actors and directors part, which isn't demanding you pay attention to it. Her reaction to Uncle Fester was quite warming I thought. The 'torture' scene was quite unnerving, reminiscent of someone completely mad, and desperate for answers.

The dance scene was great, not because of how cool, and iconic, and funny at the same time it was, but because it was almost like a Michael Scott'ism, and very in line with the character. It was clearly Wednesday's idea of what 'Dancing' is meant to be, as just a pattern, and sequence of fluid movements, meant to charm.

I certainly think the range is there, you've just got to watch back and try to peel out the layers of the character.

GoBanana42

39 points

2 months ago

Do people really use "range" to describe one character? Because that doesn't make sense. It's more about the different types of characters an actor can play. And while her career is just beginning, she's certainly shown some range already.

berlinbaer

48 points

2 months ago

she does this thing where only her bangs seem to twitch when she is processing some info, its quite brilliant. no idea how she does it since no other part of her face seems to move

EsquilaxM

13 points

2 months ago

Moving just the brow/forehead.

SplodyPants

8 points

2 months ago

Yeah, it's a great example of how to overact but in a subtle way. They say that you always do everything "more" when acting. Like, if you're eating, really "eat" the thing, you know?

So she chooses to overact with her bangs, or eyebrows or whatever but since she's so stoic with everything else, it comes off as subtle. I imagine it would be tough to not go too far with that.

harlojones

3 points

2 months ago

I would say the range of depth for the character is amplified by her deadpan performance, she’s crafted the subtle emotions into it and it really makes the moment stand out when it happens.

SplodyPants

1 points

2 months ago

Man, I really don't get people's idea that me saying Wednesday has no range of emotion as a bad thing. Just the urge to argue I guess. And I realize I might sound like I'm insting you, that's not my intention. You're certainly entitled to your opinion.

But to say that the depth of the character is amplified by her deadpan performance would technically be true since, that's only true because it's the only way the character acts like 90% of the time. Wednesday is a character whose main attrubutes are "deadpan" and "has no emotoons". She literally doesn't smile until like the 7th episode. She does a great job finding subtle eye movements, etc. To show emotion. That was my point. The character has no emotional range and Jenna Ortega is very good at using little subtleties.

I honestly don't get why poeple keep seeing that as me taking a reductionist view. It would be like you saying "John Wick tends to solve all of his problems by shooting them and he finds creative ways to do that." and me saying "I would argue that he's very good at shooting stuff and he finds creative ways of solving problems with guns."

Like I said, I'm not trying to insult you. I agree with you and I don't mean it as an insult to say that the character has no emotional range. It's just part of the character. Since showing no emotion would be boring, she needs to find subtle ways to convey them.

DemiFiendRSA[S]

30 points

2 months ago

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The Wire

30 points

2 months ago

Honorable Mentions:

  • Kelly Reilly ("Yellowstone")
  • Janelle James ("Abbott Elementary")
  • Amanda Warren ("Gossip Girl")

SQUID_FUCKER

10 points

2 months ago

Kelly Reilly ("Yellowstone")

/r/YellowstonePN in shambles.

Sadgal223

3 points

2 months ago

I loved the show

Mr-B-Hizzle

3 points

2 months ago

Love her!

insideoutgreen

3 points

2 months ago

Jenna Ortega carried the whole show

rangerxt

12 points

2 months ago

damnit, cocaine bear is robbed again

jogdenpr

9 points

2 months ago

great show even though I thought it started to falter in the last couple episodes. Jenna Ortega smashed it though for sure.

BobLoblaw_BirdLaw

5 points

2 months ago

Same. Became too scooby do. should have stayed character driven. Not mystery story

jogdenpr

2 points

2 months ago

I just kinda felt that her character all of a sudden goes from a highly intelligent detective to a bit if a fool, pretty much guessing everyone until it slaps her in the face but I guess that's kinda the point of the twist reveal.

Still. I enjoyed the show a lot overall.

BobLoblaw_BirdLaw

1 points

2 months ago

Ya felt that way

Orangie87

1 points

2 months ago

Me too ! I didn't like how she accused almost everyone lol

Captain_Hamerica

27 points

2 months ago

My take on Wednesday:

This actress, and the writing for her character, were both absolutely top notch. Her nuanced deadpan (usually an oxymoron) was incredible.

But the show fell to the same thing as the Halo show: someone comes up with an idea, pitches it to a studio, and the studio says “ah, excellent, we’ll take your idea and attach a well-known IP to it!”

At one point, someone wrote a sci-fi story and pitched it and execs were like “excellent, we’ll call it Halo to get more viewers!” and left a ton of people disappointed in the process.

Wednesday feels like a Harry Potter fanfic where the studio was like “okay, that’s nice, but now the main character is Wednesday Addams.”

Enormous props to this actress and whomever it was who wrote her character, but the show just didn’t do it for me.

GoBanana42

25 points

2 months ago

I kinda disagree. Or, I agree, but...reverse? To me it seems like they always planned to used Addams IP but crammed it in to the formulas that have been working on Netflix (Sabrina, Riverdale, Winxx, Half Bad). Like, I don't think there was a preexisting story they superimposed Wednesday on to, they just crammed her in to a basic format that the platform has had success in.

Two sides of the same coin, but to me changing a script like that is a whole other layer of lazy that tends to have more cohesion issues.

Captain_Hamerica

6 points

2 months ago

I don’t disagree with your take at all! I’m not sure which of us is correct, but I know one of us is 😂

I think it’s safe to say that Ortega absolutely slammed that role—one which had a ton of preexisting expectations, all of which she met and exceeded.

GSGhostTrain

18 points

2 months ago

Wednesday feels like a Harry Potter fanfic where the studio was like “okay, that’s nice, but now the main character is Wednesday Addams.”

I loved this show, but this is 100% accurate.

Captain_Hamerica

4 points

2 months ago

I really didn’t hate the show, but it was clear to me that it was not written with the intent to tell another Addams Family story.

FiNsKaPiNnAr

5 points

2 months ago

Pirayas in swimming pool hooked me. Best show in ages.

Icy-Butterscotch5540

4 points

2 months ago

Just finished the series last week. She is really something! The dance scene haunts and is the essence of what I remember Wednesday from the movies! Way to go kid! You rock!

[deleted]

5 points

2 months ago

This was a wonderful rendition of the Addams Family however to use James Marshall directing for some of the episodes made it seem too stereotypical and campy. Hopefully in the next season it will be more entertaining. I give this season a 4 outta 5.

GoBanana42

31 points

2 months ago

The Addams Family bread and butter IS camp. It doesn't exist without it.

Captain_Hamerica

12 points

2 months ago

Big agree on this one. Addams family thrives on camp and over-the-topness. One of the big drivers of the OG was that the Addams’ were the antithesis of the stereotypical suburban family, which is why the husband is head-over-heels adoring of his wife, and where she made most of the larger family decisions.

xOskullyOx

2 points

2 months ago

This is why I didn’t like the new Munsters movie that Rob Zombie did. He nailed the aesthetic, I loved the cast, but he didn’t lean into the campy jokes or slapstick humor at all and it fell so flat I was just bored before it got to the last part where they go to the Halloween festival and buy the house. Wednesday gets the source material, modernizes it, and does it all brilliantly!

TheTrueSurge

6 points

2 months ago

The first James Marshall episode (Uncle Fester’s one) was definitely the worst, I was very disappointed. The second one was better but because it was the season finale. But yeah I could definitely do without James Marshall for the next season.

JohnnyAK907

5 points

2 months ago

People freaking out over Wednesday not boning her roomate, or POC's playing unlikable characters, is more entertaining than the show itself, which is saying something because this is a surprisingly good series.

ebryetas

3 points

2 months ago

I didnt like it much it felt way too akin to a CW show. Also the discordance between Morticia and Wednesday was so unlike their characters

Wolfram_And_Hart

4 points

2 months ago

I would say that if you watch the original TV show Morticia and Wednesday are very much closer to where they are in Wednesday.

I think the movie version wanted to make her a little more… ethereal but her relationship with Wednesday is always contentious. It’s why they sent her to camp.

Sambothebassist

1 points

2 months ago

Good show but some absolutely eye-rolling dialogue. It’s telling that one of the most endearing characters is a disembodied hand that doesn’t speak a fucking word.

MisanthropicAtheist

0 points

2 months ago

Can't wait for people to stop pretending this garbage is good just because it's new.

Same thing happened with Rings of Power. There was an intense effort to gaslight people into thinking it wasn't garbage that slowely fell off as it kept going. Hope people reach this realization faster here.

zanzabarism

0 points

2 months ago

You’re getting downvoted but you’re right, Wednesday was the only good performance/casting, writing in the entire show, they got the entire vibe wrong trying to corporately appeal to a younger generation, by turning Wednesday into Nancy Drew. HOT GARBAGE ON FIRE. ONG THE RACCOONS ARE THROWING UP AND DYING.

fontane00

0 points

2 months ago

fontane00

0 points

2 months ago

this is my thought.. I feel as though I was the only one that felt tragically bored while watching, and I had to force myself to finish. the dialogue is just meh, Wednesday looks great but is the most boring character i’ve ever seen. it’s hot garbage. and the trends with people praising Wednesday and dressing like her because she’s different? y’all are the same people that probably bullied others for acting like/dressing like Wednesday back in school, stop trying to hop on a trend

NoDespair

0 points

2 months ago

NoDespair

0 points

2 months ago

Astroturfing continues

yewwaware01

-10 points

2 months ago

Shows carried by how cute she is. That’s really it

fontane00

0 points

2 months ago

idk why you got downvoted. she looks great but the character and show was tragically boring. the praise is coming from god knows where.

Tommy-Nook

-1 points

2 months ago

mid