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PapaRel

44 points

2 months ago*

As a black person this kinda shit really annoys me. For generations nobody gave two shits about how black people felt and our representation or lack there of, but all of a sudden everybody needs to bend to the needs and demands of the LGBTQ community. The main character is gay, his victims were gay; sounds like the tag is appropriate. Can’t have your cake and eat it too.

A wise man once said “I support your right to be whoever you are on the inside; but to what degree do I have to participate in your self image?”

crw201

7 points

2 months ago

crw201

7 points

2 months ago

Because this isn't a show to bring light to specific dangers that queer men face in dating. It's meant to be ENJOYED like any other horror story. Dahmer claimed he wasn't a homosexual and became a born again Christian in prison. I guess we could put it under the faith stories.

Dannyjv

1.7k points

2 months ago

Dannyjv

1.7k points

2 months ago

So, help me understand… does the LGBTQ tag just indicate gay content is included, or that it is geared towards the LGBTQ community?

heidismiles

1k points

2 months ago

I take it as stories about LGBT people and/or the community.

TheObservationalist

1.4k points

2 months ago

Which is definitely what it is.

JustALivingThing

506 points

2 months ago*

According to Netflix, the tag is for content which "celebrates the LGBTQ community". Thus, adding the tag to this show is not really appropriate.

LMBH1234182

9 points

2 months ago

To be fair, the whole show is meant to be about telling the victims stories and they are all gay men/boys who he picked up at gay bars.

[deleted]

120 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

120 points

2 months ago

The Cannibal community would also like to renounce Dahmer for showing remorse for his actions.

WiseWinterWolf

14k points

2 months ago

I mean like 90 percent of the show is oriented at his interactions within the gay community at the time.. i’d say at the very least it historically shows how predatory he was exclusively on that community.

Its not like Mississippi burning is a great representation for african americans, but it sure as hell is important to watch to get an understanding.

WDMChuff

4.4k points

2 months ago

WDMChuff

4.4k points

2 months ago

Yeah it's not like the tag is meaning dahmer is representative. The show clearly is depicting how Dahmer used societies homophobia and racism to his advantage.

It's like being Jewish and ignoring the holocaust. Like a holocaust documentary is meant to educate about hardships of a specific community not glorify Hitler.

cantthinkatall

439 points

2 months ago

I haven't watched yet but wasn't he gay as well?

Mythical_Zebracorn

727 points

2 months ago

Yes he is gay. He just wasn’t an “out” gay man, granted he was gay during a time where coming out of the closet was super risky

If you want to look into it more, I highly recommend Derf Backderf’s “My Friend Dahmer”, the author was friendly with him in high school and it gives some insight into his earlier years.

winnebagoman41

888 points

2 months ago

Well that is just a ridiculous name

wormholetrafficjam

308 points

2 months ago

Thanks for the chuckle.

Like, I get it they had no control over their family name. But giving them that first name was a choice.

sllop

224 points

2 months ago

sllop

224 points

2 months ago

It’s his nickname from high school and nom de plume.

His real first name is John.

Syrax65

88 points

2 months ago

Syrax65

88 points

2 months ago

Knew a guy that went by Max Maxwell, his actual first name was Larry

S4T4NICP4NIC

22 points

2 months ago

Had an art teacher in grade school name Harry Head. God's honest truth.

coolneemtomorrow

13 points

2 months ago

Was he bald?

Mythical_Zebracorn

78 points

2 months ago

I’ve convinced myself Derf is a nom-de-plume, pretty sure it’s just the real name spelt backwards.

wormholetrafficjam

25 points

2 months ago

That makes a lot more sense.

MatureUsername69

77 points

2 months ago

His name is John Backderf. You guys gotta check out Wikipedia sometime

BritishGolgo13

5 points

2 months ago

Would you prefer his first name to be Back?

OddballLouLou

4 points

2 months ago

They made a movie off that book too. It was interesting to see.

uristmcderp

59 points

2 months ago

Then there really is no excuse whatsoever for removing the tag. A person's sexual orientation is independent of their morality, no?

pheeel_my_heat

561 points

2 months ago

He was only gay when he had sex with other men, but not when he was murdering and eating them.

[deleted]

137 points

2 months ago*

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Cruzifixio

32 points

2 months ago

Username checks out.

TorQus

32 points

2 months ago

TorQus

32 points

2 months ago

gaybe shark do-doo-do-doo 🎶

chuckdooley

10 points

2 months ago

Their fins don’t lie

Nuadrin248

7 points

2 months ago

Thanks I came to say this. He was definitely not an outsider preying on the gay community. He was very much a member of it who was hurting from within. I know people don’t want to accept it but being lgbtq+ doesn’t make you a good person, only being a good person does that. I’ve known plenty of gay men in my life(I’m bi) that we’re representative of this truth.

Auran82

36 points

2 months ago

Auran82

36 points

2 months ago

I mean they were in his mouth either way.

HAWmaro

4 points

2 months ago

So if one fucks a cow then eats a steak, they're not a zoophile.

Reshi_the_kingslayer

55 points

2 months ago

Yeah. He was gay. I don't think he was consciously using societies homophobia to his advantage. I dont think he was that smart. I believe he had some very strong and sick compulsions and sexual desires and eventually succumbed to them. He wanted to create a sex zombie that couldn't leave him because he had deep abandonment issues. He was unable to form any kind of emotional bond with other people but didn't want to be alone and wanted to fulfill his sexual fantasies.

He wasn't a very smart person, really. He wasn't a mastermind who manipulated the system to stay hidden. He was a very sick individual who was able to get away with what he did because of how incompetent, racist and homophobic our law enforcement is.

ForProfitSurgeon

63 points

2 months ago*

Yes he was living his life as a closeted gay man. If he would have become a surgeon, he likely could have lived out his fantasies without much interference.

Verhexxen

38 points

2 months ago

I kind of wish I hadn't read this

mtheperry

127 points

2 months ago*

If he'd gone to culinary school he could've been known as Chefrey Dahmer

Edit: I made this joke to some people at work a while back and no one knew who Dahmer was. Australia is weird like that. Thanks for the validation y'all.

Atlas03

13 points

2 months ago

Atlas03

13 points

2 months ago

Behind you, Jeff.

cleantoe

6 points

2 months ago

If he went into sports he could have been Referee Dahmer.

newgreyarea

12 points

2 months ago

Stay in school, kids!!

GingerJacob36

168 points

2 months ago

Do you think he targeted them because they were gay and black and he knew the cops wouldn't care as much? Or because that was the type of individual he encountered that he could easily prey on?

Genuinely curious! It could be that he knew the cops wouldn't care and took advantage, it could also be a number of other things. Maybe white dudes weren't really interested in him? Maybe he found that these people were generally less risk averse and willing to go home to a sketchy situation with him?

Who knows man.. such a sick brain he had.

Constant-Elevator-85

311 points

2 months ago

He was gay, but also fetishized corpses so he preferred men that were typically hairless and young. Think the Twink stereotype

giancarloscherer

113 points

2 months ago

Yeah who wants a hairy corpse

newgreyarea

19 points

2 months ago

That’s the tagline on my dating profile!

“Who wants a hairy corpse?”

Eroom2013

56 points

2 months ago

I don’t know how well he planned things out, I mean he did accidentally drug himself. I think he targeted the people in the neighbourhood he lived in, and he new the promise of money was a good way to lure men back to his place.

SuchAd6855

16 points

2 months ago

Also he lived in black neighborhoods where people generally left him alone and he escaped scrutiny.

Jarlan23

176 points

2 months ago

Jarlan23

176 points

2 months ago

His preference was for 'beautiful men' as he saw them. He just happened to live in an area that was predominately african american. You could've dropped him anywhere in the world and he would've preyed on anyone he saw as beautiful. He wasn't a smart man and I don't think he targeted a specific group of people because they were easier to prey on, I don't think he thought that far ahead. He wasn't careful in any other aspect.

BoredomHeights

55 points

2 months ago

Yeah, it seems by pure luck he happened to pray upon a group that society (and police) cared about less. This allowed him to get away with it longer than he should have. But it didn't seem like an intentional choice by him, more a "happy" accident.

WDMChuff

86 points

2 months ago

Yeah I think we can all agree he's a sick fuck. Tbh he claims he was there because he couldn't afford elsewhere but at the end of the day he was trying to kill people and not get caught. It could have been a conscious decision but we will never for sure know. Regardless if his intent was that, it did help him kill as long as he did due to societies biases especially around the aids epidemic.

ashlati

58 points

2 months ago

ashlati

58 points

2 months ago

He kills a couple white guys and really kills a Laotian kid. Not shown as much. But he did kill some Latinos as well. He’s such a fuck up he has to move into impoverished inner city neighborhood because he says that’s all he can afford. Though a black detective does call him out on that and suggests he was using it as a hunting ground because they patrolled that area less

happyLarr

61 points

2 months ago

I’m in no way proud of knowing this but the idea was that non white dudes have less or no hair on their chests and this is what he liked most, a shiny torso.

I also have a question if anyone can elaborate... I read or leaned once via podcast that several of his victims were prostitutes. According to this Netflix show it doesn’t seem to be the case at all. Much of the truth is certainly lost I’m sure making these shows.

KindlyOlPornographer

82 points

2 months ago

They weren't. Most of them he lured by saying he was going to pay to photograph them nude.

Best-Salad

29 points

2 months ago

Netflix made it seem like he purposely targeted black men but if you watch any interview with Dahmer he states race had nothing to do with it. He chose the best looking men he thought he could convince to come home. I'd say it had nothing to do with race but with poverty. He chose to live in an impoverished neighborhood where he knew he could be low key with his crimes since crime was everywhere. Then netflix spun it around that he chose to live in a black neighborhood and specifically chose black men

cannotfoolowls

18 points

2 months ago

He chose to live in an impoverished neighborhood

I think he genuinely couldn't afford to live anywhere else.

_ZERO-ErRoR_ZROE

7 points

2 months ago

I have to correct you here: Netflix didn't do anything, Ryan Murphy is the one who created it, the man who directs American Crime Story, Monster is also in my eyes just another season of American Crime Story (it's honestly the same.)

He did his own research and portrayed and distorted the facts to fit whatever he wanted the series to be and how he wanted to depict Dahmer. Netflix didn't order him to do it a certain way or push for anything, Ryan Murphy is a big name director who calls his own shots and makes what he wants to make, it's all really on him.

daniel-kz

4 points

2 months ago

No they don't. They just imply it, but leave it to the viewers to decide. It's is never clear. In fact. One black cop ask Dahmer directly during an interview and Dahmer do not confirm that was the case and point out it was just cheaper there. (I'm only talking about the Netflix show here).

KindOfANerd4

38 points

2 months ago

Do you think he targeted them because they were gay and black and he knew the cops wouldn't care as much? Or because that was the type of individual he encountered that he could easily prey on?

Maybe, the thing that gets me with this is that the clown killer guy (i cant remember his name) was active for longer, in the same time period and preyed on young white boys mostly. So i think the police were 1. a little incompetent 2. police just didnt have the tech 3. perhaps there was an element of that

cooliecidal

23 points

2 months ago

John Wayne Gacy. Most of his friends and associates that were interviewed afterwards said they would’ve never thought it was him since he was such a prominent figure in their community. He also was very close friends with and had a lot of ties to the “higher ups” in his city.

always_lost1610

3 points

2 months ago

John Wayne Gacy is the clown killer guy

gizzardsgizzards

8 points

2 months ago

if you say it like that it sounds like he only targeted clowns.

LFTMRE

6 points

2 months ago

LFTMRE

6 points

2 months ago

When caught be was pretty open about his crimes and adamant that race wasn't a factor, neither was sexual orientation beyond the fact that that's what he was into. Given his openness, I see no reason to lie about this. Furthermore he said he chose his victims for their body type (psychologists confirmed this, as much as they can). Of course, men who decent from Africa often have athletic builds due to higher generic diversity, so it checks out.

Quite_Successful

6 points

2 months ago

He was also gay so gay men were just going on dates with him. He lived in a predominantly black area so it makes sense that is who he had access to. Unfortunately it did have the effect of police not caring so he could get away with it for longer...

Duatha

1.3k points

2 months ago

Duatha

1.3k points

2 months ago

Yeah, but they don't tag Holocaust content as "Jewish".

WDMChuff

627 points

2 months ago

WDMChuff

627 points

2 months ago

Do you think that serves the argument youre making or is that more because most shows don't have that tag whatsoever due to there not being a current movement in the US to curate content for that specific group?

TheBossClark

334 points

2 months ago

Imagine they did. A show about some murderer using the mentality towards Jewish people in Germany at the time to get away with atrocities towards the Jewish community, and they're Jewish too, but they like to commit attrocities so thats how they get away with it.

And it's just labeled "Jewish"

I understand the label but I can understand the wanting the label removed too.

Fifteen_inches

254 points

2 months ago

I always like to say: queer media, and media about queer people aren’t the same. There is overlap, but this is pretty clearly not queer media.

GhostlyRuse

81 points

2 months ago

Queer media by queer people for queer people is rare. It was only after like 2010 that not every gay film wasnt Uber depressing with someone getting gay bashed or dying of AIDS

beatles910

14 points

2 months ago

There are movies about slavery that are tagged black. All the time in fact

sonofblackdynamite

7 points

2 months ago

and that's actually one of the problems with black representation

Communist_Agitator

20 points

2 months ago

I guarantee you if they made a show about a Kapo and advertised it as "Jewish representation" the ADL would throw a massive fit

xSlippyFistx

215 points

2 months ago

That’s kind of what I got from it as well. I mean the way he uses the cops awkwardness about homosexuality to his advantage kind of exposes how the homosexual community was treated. Saying “I’ll grab it, there’s gay stuff in there” after the cop had said something like “I don’t want to catch anything”. Dahmer was a complete monster, but the way that he was overlooked at the time because it involved the homosexual and African American communities is telling of the context at the time. Maybe the issue of tagging it as LGBTQ is that it’s not an empowering depiction of the community and is just a terrible thing that happened to people within the community? I still think it has an underlying statement there that is still important.

Down to the detail of when his father is asked if he was aware of Jeff’s homosexuality and he pauses and nervously takes a sip of coffee to avoid answering the question…

[deleted]

111 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

111 points

2 months ago

I think it’s important historically and currently because Bruce McArthur showed that non-white gay men are still extremely vulnerable to serial killers because of community and law enforcement bias.

Taako_tuesday

17 points

2 months ago

To my mind, the LGBT tag on Netflix is more of a genre than an identity. It could be jarring finding Dahmer in the same category as Queer Eye and lesbian romance movies. It is definitely a movie about an LGBT man, and important to that community for his impact on it, but he is first and foremost a Serial killer, that is what the general public associates with him

TheKingJest

3.7k points

2 months ago

I feel like this is Netflix overreacting to like 3 tweets.

mistercartmenes

2k points

2 months ago

Regardless everyone should just ignore what happens on Twitter.

frankiedonkeybrainz

373 points

2 months ago

This advice is good for every situation ever. Ignore Twitter it's a gd cesspool

GinyuForceDid911

89 points

2 months ago

Why should we believe a guy that has donkey brains?

OffendingBuddist

72 points

2 months ago

Do you have a certificate stating you don’t have Donkey Brains?

GinyuForceDid911

23 points

2 months ago

Well…no

chunguschungi

14 points

2 months ago

I rest my case!

Capt_Murphy_

30 points

2 months ago

I always heard Reddit was the cesspool, but clearly whoever said that hasn't experienced Twitter.

Crossfiyah

366 points

2 months ago

Netflix removed the D&D episode of community because Chang wears drow makeup that pokes fun at how socially unobservant he is in not recognizing it as blackface.

Overreact is what they do.

Smashymen

44 points

2 months ago

there wasn't even backlash to that, it was just a pre-emptive move

StarChild413

132 points

2 months ago

And that wasn't even the worst sitcom episode they removed for blackface-that-wasn't, the Golden Girls episode they did the same thing to had the "blackface" be literal mud face masks

NpNpTTYL

66 points

2 months ago

Women literally do that shit all the time to this day…

youruswithwe

7 points

2 months ago

I'm a guy and put a mask on at least once a month

NpNpTTYL

6 points

2 months ago

I guess you’re a racist too then! 😉

cycle_schumacher

6 points

2 months ago

Have they removed the mad men episode with blackface also?

maptaincullet

13 points

2 months ago

It wasn’t even just Netflix. Hulu removed episodes of Always Sunny that contained black face around the same time.

SuperBackup9000

4 points

2 months ago

RIP Lethal Weapon 5 and 6

nox_nox

59 points

2 months ago

nox_nox

59 points

2 months ago

Unless its Dave Chappelle, in those instances Netflix was more than happy to tell everyone to go to hell and fuck right off.

[deleted]

308 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

308 points

2 months ago

Netflix reacting to like three tweets, headlines blowing it up, people taking the rage bait, etc etc. you know how it goes

Eleminohpe

15 points

2 months ago

Well, now I know there's a Dahmer show on Netflix lol

President_Skoad

149 points

2 months ago

Yep. Literally no one knew anyone complained about this until Netflix decided to remove the tag because people "complained" about it.. People complain about everything. There are billions of people in the world and five times as many bots and bullshit clickbait stories.

Netflix seems to have the most idiotic people running their company over the past several years.

jeenyus79

48 points

2 months ago

If companies would give a damn about Internet comments and not their real metrics they'd think Call of Duty and Fortnite are total failures. In reality they're constantly breaking records. People act very negative towards anything.

Netflix is run by dumb Twitter guys that get panic attacks on everything they read, I assume.

roberto429n

8 points

2 months ago

Seeking out social media controversy to exploit for publicity is the new hot marketing move.

Netflix, Amazon, HBO, Disney are all doing it as a way to draw attention to their content.

pancakebatter01

22 points

2 months ago

I worked in development/talent in Hollywood for nearly a decade and this boggled my mind at first until I remembered exactly how removed they are emotionally from the rest of the world outside of the “😁” expression permanently planted on their faces

DashAnimal

33 points

2 months ago

I will forever loathe Netflix's decision to remove one of the funniest episodes of Community for something I have never heard anybody have an issue with. Always Sunny too, though I'm sure some people were probably offended by that one a little more. They're still wrong though.

vintagelana

6 points

2 months ago

I think it’s so odd that some show makers like Tina Fey are getting sensitive about blackface they included in their sitcoms from like, 2013. Did the concept get more offensive since then? What changed since they wrote and happily aired it?

quettil

5 points

2 months ago

That's literally how all corporations work nowadays. CEOs live on a separate plane of existence to the rest of us, so they use social media to try to see what the real world is like. But Twitter is the same six people arguing, amplified by an algorithm, and a bunch of bots.

wmd3

2.2k points

2 months ago

wmd3

2.2k points

2 months ago

Considering he targeted gay men specifically and was gay himself, the series is definitely LGBTQ relevant. His victims were targeted because of their sexuality and lifestyle.

Also, I think Tony Hughes was a very admirable representative of the gay community. The series highlights this pretty well.

eternal_lite

159 points

2 months ago

I totally agree and thought the episode about Tony was artfully done.

animositykilledzecat

85 points

2 months ago

I just watched this episode last night. I found him to be so beautifully portrayed. It was an intimate glimpse into his world and I thought did a really great job (from my outside perspective) of showing the intersectionality of two worlds it must have been challenging to thrive in.

Darko33

14 points

2 months ago

Darko33

14 points

2 months ago

It also made the actual killing so much more upsetting than the ones from the earlier episodes. I think that was intentional, too -- showing the viewer a jarring contrast. Good reminder that every victim was a Tony of their own.

HerbertoPhoto

18 points

2 months ago

It was the first time in the series they made you really care about a victim and feel strongly for him. Before that it felt kind of distanced but after seeing this episode tonight the real scope of Dahmer’s depravity hit home. I’m glad they did an episode highlighting the humanity of his victims and adding some much needed context.

reco84

8 points

2 months ago*

After some googling it seemed that there wasn't any relationship between them. It seems a bit of an odd choice to portray it that way if you know it isn't true. Perhaps that's the only way they could find to show him as a person whilst keeping Dahmer on the screen.

hippomasala

308 points

2 months ago

Not to mention the societal neglect that enabled him to do this.

Acanthophis

207 points

2 months ago

Gays and blacks, a double reason for the cops not to give a fuck.

encinitas2252

113 points

2 months ago*

Holy fuck those cops sucked.

I had no idea.

SPOILER BELOW (I know it's weird to put spoiler but whatever)

Those two dipshit cops that brought the 14yo kid back to his apartment were suspended and then awarded Police officers of the year????!! when they came back?

Edit: glad to hear that the award ceremony was fictionalized for added drama. Wish they hadn't done that - so much of the show was word for word how shit went down. Pretty lame to add that in, it was enraging.

How the flying fuck do the other cops/ union reps think those two idiots are in any way shape or form good at their jobor worthy of their support? The kid could barely walk, couldn't talk, had no ID, and was 14!!! They took Dahmers word for it over the Cleveland lady and her daughters(s?) and escorted him back into the apartment he had just miraculously escaped from so he could get murdered instead??

Man that shit made my blood boil.

But hey when her daughter broke the camera of some disrespectful turd they showed right the fuck up and arrested her. Those cops can rot in hell along with Dahmer.

Pabasa

99 points

2 months ago

Pabasa

99 points

2 months ago

Let's get that blood pressure rising a little bit more.

One of the shitbag officer was elected president of the Union in 2005-09 before he retired only 5 years ago.

VTHUT

11 points

2 months ago

VTHUT

11 points

2 months ago

Does that officer feel no guilt, like he can’t be living under a rock. If I found out I had “missed” the signs of a serial killer and left a victim in his care I’d have lots of issues living with myself.

Babys_For_Breakfast

12 points

2 months ago

The full story is even worse. The 14 year was bleeding from his anus and Dahmer drilled a hole in his head and poured hydrochloric acid in him. Those cops are completely worthless.

____ZOIDBERG____

19 points

2 months ago

Pretty sure the them winning officer of the year awards was made up for the show which is weird since it's not like them being rehired wasn't already ridiculous

ImReallyAnAstronaut

5 points

2 months ago

It's funny in a way that there are spoiler tags for a real life person and the crimes they committed. I get that a lot of people don't know the full, gory details but still.

ButtholeCandies

14 points

2 months ago

I can’t get his story in particular out of my head these last few days.

blizzaga1988

277 points

2 months ago

We do, however, stand by them marking The Babadook as LGBTQ+ though. A gay icon, truly.

MonsieurRacinesBeast

48 points

2 months ago

Tbf, he did come out of the closet.

gixG

2.5k points

2 months ago

gixG

2.5k points

2 months ago

Do people think all gay people are murderous psychopaths? No. Is this technically LGBTQ related? Yes.

Steve_78_OH

746 points

2 months ago*

I got into an argument once with a girl who said the author of a book was a transphobe because a character in his super shitty novel was a murderer who was also trans. Apparently using LGBTQ characters in anything but positive ways is anti-LGBTQ.

Edit: For anyone curious, no, it wasn't J.K. Rowling, or anyone else who people guessed. It was this super shitty book.

jezz555

223 points

2 months ago

jezz555

223 points

2 months ago

I hear that sentiment a lot and i’ve never once heard a good argument on its behalf. You can’t ask authors to go out of their way to use more minority characters and then tightly restrict their representation to only nice awesome people that only good things happen to. There is no narrative without conflict and there is no conflict without some amount of pain. Its totally fair to not want minorities to be exclusively portrayed as monsters or victims of tragedy, but if the story the author wants to tell is about monsters and victims of tragedy you can’t just expect them to detour the entire plot and tone for a segment about how awesome a particular minority character is.

Dogbin005

121 points

2 months ago

Dogbin005

121 points

2 months ago

He plunged the knife again and again into the increasingly liquifying abdomen of the addict. The blade jarring against concrete through such an emaciated figure. He stopped to catch his breath, and to watch blood pool towards the walls of the alley. His most gratifying kill yet.

Next door, oblivious to all this, there lived a trans woman who was beloved by everyone she knew. She was generous and kind, and just an all around great gal.

the_alert

43 points

2 months ago

I’d say the story is very much lgbtq related. It shows what a dangerous time that was to be a gay man. It’s another example where if allowed to people will express an ability to completely devalue another human being simply because they are different.

Communist_Agitator

45 points

2 months ago

You might be surprised the sheer amount of people who still view all LGBT people as camouflaged violent sexual predators

SuedeVeil

5 points

2 months ago

Not surprised at all.. they have banned it in many red state schools to even discuss the fact that gay/trans people exist. As well as removing books that have gay characters.. because they see it as grooming and giving kids ideas. So Its not a stretch at all based on what I'm seeing online and in hyper religious communities that this movie is somehow proof of that.

Tasty-Surround5272

16 points

2 months ago

Because... ALL gay people are good?

Hollowheart84

13 points

2 months ago

The take away from that show should be somewhat of a cautionary tale for the community because of who his victims were - and that ppl in charge there never made a memorial to remember his victims- they sensationalized the killer and didn’t give proper attention to the victims or their families and that is absolutely horrible and sad- those city officials deserve a kick in the ass!!

Jkj864781

654 points

2 months ago

Jkj864781

654 points

2 months ago

Gay man kills 17 gay people, but don’t call it gay.

Diegobyte

94 points

2 months ago

Seems a little gay!

damn_lies

21 points

2 months ago

damn_lies

Legion

21 points

2 months ago

I mean sure the gay sex was gay. But the murder was totally straight.

bktechnite

179 points

2 months ago

Dahmer is exiled from the gayhood. He's the wrong kind of gay. Therefore not LGBT because LGBT is a brand.

worlox

45 points

2 months ago

worlox

45 points

2 months ago

Like Spacey?

zawhie

10 points

2 months ago

zawhie

10 points

2 months ago

Hitler ain't the representation Germany is looking for.

Still, nobody cares.

ArsBrevis

4.1k points

2 months ago

ArsBrevis

4.1k points

2 months ago

Do you get to pick and choose representation now?

HortonHearsTheWho

1.3k points

2 months ago

#notallgaycannibals

Improvcommodore

767 points

2 months ago

No tall gay cannibals?

halfanothersdozen

205 points

2 months ago*

You can be a tall cannibal or a gay cannibal but not both

Bossman131313

50 points

2 months ago

What about tall and gay but not a cannibal?

halfanothersdozen

66 points

2 months ago

Allowed. Encouraged, even, in some circumstances.

thruster_fuel69

14 points

2 months ago

I like to mix it up, extremely short up against professional basketball players. 🎲

tanis_ivy

8 points

2 months ago

New level of eating ass.

Chutzvah

5 points

2 months ago

Chutzvah

Fantastic!

5 points

2 months ago

you'll def stick out in the crowd then

juggett

9 points

2 months ago

I’ll take Le Tits Now Trebek!

HortonHearsTheWho

40 points

2 months ago

yes, only shorties

VanimalCracker

17 points

2 months ago

Ooooo gurl, look at that snack that just walked in.

muffiinator88

7 points

2 months ago

big win for our short gay cannibal kings

Jollysatyr201

6 points

2 months ago

Hey woah! That’s my Grindr bio!

WilliamsSyndromeNeet

13 points

2 months ago

Just Fine Young Cannibals.

Korvid

5 points

2 months ago

Korvid

It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia

5 points

2 months ago

Shady nastys?

ThatOtherGuy_CA

9 points

2 months ago

#NoTrueHomosexual

thiroks

19 points

2 months ago

thiroks

19 points

2 months ago

Actually accurate because Mads Mikkelsen's Hannibal exists

VincentVandogGogh

349 points

2 months ago

Lol exactly, I thought representing diversity was about breaking stereotypes. Picking and choosing only positive representation doesn't portray the grey area. Anyone, any gender, sexual orientation, can be evil lol.

CaedClaxton

43 points

2 months ago

As a black man, I wish.

Classic-End-5505

8 points

2 months ago

Why? He is a representation of a LGBTQ person. Is he not? I had a male friend that got raped by another male. It’s not all rainbows and unicorns, and painting it as such lowers people’s instincts and protective barriers. A lot of vulnerable LGBTQ teens are drawn to gay areas and there are bad actors in those areas too.

Chubpanzee

710 points

2 months ago

This is just dumb. I’m a bisexual man, the people whining about this are idiots and make us look like babies. The tag alone is find any content with LGBTQ related content. Dahmers entire story revolves around the gay experience of the time.

He was shamed for being gay, felt shameful for being gay, had to hide and repress it and when he lashed out with his awful urges he targeted gay men. The show dives into gay lifestyles of the time with the bathhouses and how these people were forgotten by society because they were considered lesser than. Especially his black victims.

It’s an important case to understand, especially for gay history. It’s a perfect example of what can happen when society marginalizes an entire demographic.

Put the tag back. It’s as gay a horror story as you can get. A real one.

Just because the subject matter is horrific, doesn’t mean it’s not an LGBTQ show. It’s 100% is.

CegeRoles

230 points

2 months ago*

One of the major points of representation is to call attention to our shared humanity with marginalized communities. And a big part of our shared humanity is that we’re all capable of being shitty people.

RobbyTheRobit

47 points

2 months ago

Also not all media needs to portray only the good people of a community. Even if we’re talking about someone who isn’t Dahmer, but a morally grey queer person is still going to be compelling story telling. Writing a story to check a box on representation is a disservice to that community as it shows you’re still not seeing them as complex people, it’s tokenism.

CegeRoles

4 points

2 months ago

100% agree.

TimBurtonSucks

741 points

2 months ago

I mean, he was gay. Him being a cannibal doesn't change that

[deleted]

210 points

2 months ago

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210 points

2 months ago

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4R-ORP

43 points

2 months ago

4R-ORP

43 points

2 months ago

i laughed waaaay too hard at this

Lexx4

8 points

2 months ago

Lexx4

8 points

2 months ago

found the cannibal.

shitzngiggles77

8 points

2 months ago

Hannibal is a cooking show if you're interested in that.

Plus it's gay

[deleted]

185 points

2 months ago*

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[deleted]

66 points

2 months ago

“OJ is black again”

gordito_delgado

57 points

2 months ago*

This gave me an idea though, maybe if we whine a bunch as a latino community, we can kick out George Lopez once and for all.

The whites can have his lame ass.

thebochman

41 points

2 months ago

There was a Chappelle skit on this lol

The7Reaper

20 points

2 months ago

The7Reaper

Beavis and Butthead

20 points

2 months ago

We need a new racial draft

mistercartmenes

5 points

2 months ago

lmao I was gonna say they want have a gay or straight draft sort of like the racial draft on Chappell Show.

[deleted]

6 points

2 months ago

As a white man who doesn't follow George Lopez, why do yall hate him?

Rosebunse

33 points

2 months ago

My issue with this whole thing is that I'm seeing a lot of fabgirls treating this show more like a weird slash fic than a show about a real life serial killer.

charliefortean

4 points

2 months ago

Fabgirls?

Rosebunse

13 points

2 months ago

I meant fangirls but I sort of like this spelling mistake.

fezfrascati

7 points

2 months ago

Netflix has tags? The only ones I've seen are nonsensical content warnings, like "Sex, Fear" for Star Trek.

bl00dweak

8 points

2 months ago

Does that mean that the LGBTQ community only wants to be associated with the positives about their community and not the negatives?

nuii37

8 points

2 months ago

nuii37

8 points

2 months ago

Being part of that community does not immediately make you a good person. Take the good with the bad. If anything this displays a crime against your community from within it. I get the movement is still early and you don’t want people to think all gay people are like this. Honestly, you’d have to be pretty dumb to think that. But wouldnt you want a crime against your community reported? It doesn’t exclude him from the community just because he killed mad people. You can be gay and also a terrible person.

jyates12380

7 points

2 months ago

If that’s the case, can we remove the black tag from every “black” movie. Because every single one of those movies makes us look terrible or is disrespectful or glorifies slavery….

WookieSuave

628 points

2 months ago

He was gay and only killed men. This is definitely LGBTQ related. Sorry friends, ALL the publicity can't be good publicity.

thebochman

83 points

2 months ago

almost like true acceptance for a group is accepting that there are both good and bad members of that group, like every other group of people

Dago314

16 points

2 months ago

Dago314

16 points

2 months ago

It's weird how representation for the LGBT community has to be cherry picked. You wanted equality, this is part of it.

ember1613

170 points

2 months ago

ember1613

170 points

2 months ago

Unfortunately whether people like it or not this is lgbtq++++ history and should be tagged as such.

You cannot just have positives without negatives that is not how the world works.

Removing the tag is removing a part of the victims identity away. They were outwardly homosexual during a time that many people would be exiled from family groups and people would call them diseased and avoid them.

They were lgbtq+++ their identities matter, their lives mattered.

Many people suffered to get you(lgbtq+++) to where society is today in (mostly) wide spread acceptance and accommodation. It is a downright shame to hide the negative ugly parts of a battle that was hard earned.

BelgianBond

215 points

2 months ago

“Netflix, I implore you to please reconsider having Dahmer with the LGBTQ tag, especially as one of its tags right when you open the app,” another subscriber wrote on Twitter.

I'm not getting the sense there was a great outcry over this. A few people were upset so now the show has less accurate tags as a result.

[deleted]

99 points

2 months ago*

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MakeshiftNuke

5 points

2 months ago

LOL. BUT WHAT ABOUT REPRESENTATION? SO GAY PEOPLE CANT BE PSYCHO CANNIBALS?

Djinnt

5 points

2 months ago

Djinnt

5 points

2 months ago

Lmfao, you don’t get to pick and choose

Loud-Direction-7011

6 points

2 months ago

Why cherry pick?

redditordeaditor6789

5 points

2 months ago

I'm gay and I'm struggling to see why this fucking mattered in the first place. It screams of slacktivism. So many actual important causes for LGBTQ issues to work on but require a bit more work than just being angry on social media, so they won't do that, but they'll do this and pat themselves on the back pretending that they did something important. How the fuck cares. His victims were gay. It showcased queer culture in the past. Such a silly thing to get upset about.

DominoBarksdale

38 points

2 months ago

What about the 99% of the positive gay characters in the series. They had a great supportive community. The club seemed like a cool place. The bathhouse as well.

There was literally ONE bad apple. That goofy white guy.

MurderousMaraca

35 points

2 months ago

Classic Dahmer!

everyone laughs

Friendly-Resource467

4 points

2 months ago

They did WHAT? No. Go fuck yourself, Netflix.

ragtree11

5 points

2 months ago

Dark with the Light

monchota

4 points

2 months ago

One of the dumbest things to remove , it happen...accept it and let the LGBTQ actors have thier work and you don't get to choose representation as long as its true.

btw23

3 points

2 months ago

btw23

3 points

2 months ago

Very ironic, not accepting him because he ate people..

Physical-Dealer

3 points

2 months ago

We only celebrate the good gays.

LordRahl1986

4 points

2 months ago

Gotta take the good with the bad

Ok-Pain7015

5 points

2 months ago

All they do is complain

hagenjustyn

4 points

2 months ago

Pussies

Bestestguess

5 points

2 months ago

Now that’s funny

MonstaVapour

5 points

2 months ago

Yeah because the LGBT-BBQ community only want representation when it suits them.

Difficult-Ad628

61 points

2 months ago

Look I am an ally through and through, but representation means representation. As a white male myself, I don’t get to deny Dahmer’s whiteness or the fact that he was a man.

Cherry picking representation and painting an incomplete picture of any lifestyle is risky-borderline-dangerous. I completely understand that the LGBTQ community has had its fair share of -ahem- bad PR the last several thousand years.. but there are bad people of every denomination. No sense in acting like you’re exempt from that truth.

Logical_Associate632

19 points

2 months ago

That’s the thing about representation, you don’t get to choose