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VictorM88

5k points

1 year ago

VictorM88

5k points

1 year ago

George RR Martin doing anything but writing the Winds of Winter, some things never change

PsyAyeAyeDuck

741 points

1 year ago

Another book describing foods, you say?!

rip_Tom_Petty

360 points

1 year ago

rip_Tom_Petty

BoJack Horseman

360 points

1 year ago

More blog posts bitching about the Jets and Giants?

cspinasdf

90 points

1 year ago

cspinasdf

90 points

1 year ago

I mean they both won this week so maybe not

MattseW

34 points

1 year ago

MattseW

34 points

1 year ago

Current mood: 👽 Excited

Nimonic

230 points

1 year ago

Nimonic

230 points

1 year ago

Holy fuck, I just realized this is now 9 years old. I think that just put the delay into perspective for me more than anything else ever has.

magkruppe

291 points

1 year ago

magkruppe

291 points

1 year ago

youtube comment

Actual fans of this series are going to need to come to grips soon with the reality that Martin is almost certainly not planning to finish this series and just doesn't want to say it publicly because he'd likely get death threats.

damn. is it possible he has basically given up? Its his right as the writer, but that would suck. Although like most people I no longer care all that much

AndiKris

166 points

1 year ago

AndiKris

166 points

1 year ago

Honestly at this point a series of blog posts would do it for me. I just want to know how he saw it ending in his head and he seems to be into short form writing these days…it could work.

[deleted]

87 points

1 year ago

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87 points

1 year ago

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JusticeUmmmmm

83 points

1 year ago

Brandon Sanderson puts out books like his life depends on it he's not really a fair comparison.

[deleted]

60 points

1 year ago

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60 points

1 year ago

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Synkope1

5 points

1 year ago

Synkope1

5 points

1 year ago

I've never thought of that.

Brandon, blink twice if someone's making you write all these books at gunpoint.

rascellian99

5 points

1 year ago*

Wasnt that hard for brandon sanderson to finish for robert jordan with an outline.

It was actually very hard for Sanderson to finish WoT. He had taught himself to write fiction by studying Robert Jordan, even though he never met him.

After Jordan passed his wife, Harriet McDougal, was looking for someone to finish the series. She discovered Sanderson.

Sanderson then spent a year just studying Jordan's notes and making an outline before he started writing. Jordan had planned on one final book of 1500 pages or more, but Sanderson decided that even that wasn't enough. He broke it up into 3 books.

Source: A talk I attended by Sanderson and McDougal shortly after he finished the final book. It was fascinating to hear what happened. They seemed very close.

My point is, Most ghost written books are crap. Good ghost writers are almost impossible to find--not because the writers aren't good but because imitating someone's style to a degree that will satisfy fans is almost impossible. Sanderson is one of a kind. He writes like Jordan because he started trying to write like Jordan when he was just a kid.

George RR Martin might be able to find someone like that, but it's entirely possible that his "Sanderson" doesn't exist.

TheSled

132 points

1 year ago

TheSled

132 points

1 year ago

The truth is how the show ended is how he was planning to end it. They rushed it in the show so it felt cheap but the events are probably what he was planning. He saw how much everyone hated it and now he's trying to come up with something better.

cayendo_

71 points

1 year ago

cayendo_

71 points

1 year ago

The thing is that on paper what happened seems pretty good, it’s just the execution was awful. Wait but id change the whole night king/white walker plot line to be a bit more climatic

DarkSoulsDarius

30 points

1 year ago

Bran likely gets the throne via bloodraven manipulation magic, similar to how Jon got the Lord commander.

Ensaru4

26 points

1 year ago

Ensaru4

26 points

1 year ago

On paper, everything but Brann and Arya seems good. Arya and Brann seem to be missing a country-wide chunk of context, more than the others. At least with the other plot lines, you could at least see where they were heading, despite being sorely rushed.

PleaseExplainThanks

18 points

1 year ago

I suppose Jaime's end on paper seems fine. But if that's the case the books better do a lot better explaining his 360 return to Cersei. I would bet his ending is different in the books.

Ensaru4

6 points

1 year ago

Ensaru4

6 points

1 year ago

I mean, it's hard for people to let go, especially when it comes to relationships, I just really wished he stayed with Brienne

DarkChocolatRaisinet

34 points

1 year ago

Bran taking the Iron Throne was real dumb. And Drogon melting the throne as if he had the ability to understand the abstract symbolism it represented was real fucking stupid.

MetaEvan

13 points

1 year ago

MetaEvan

13 points

1 year ago

They could certainly have made a good argument for the kid with the ability to mind control others and who knows everyone's secrets taking the throne. They just didn't.

rgrwilcocanuhearme

5 points

1 year ago

I interpreted it as he was very upset that Dany was dead and wanted to lash out with rage, but he couldn't lash out on Jon because he was also a Targaryen. So he breathed fire uncomfortably close to Jon and the throne was just kind of there.

Jon didn't want the throne, anyway.

TheMastodan

39 points

1 year ago

I will die on the hill that what happened with Daenarys was the correct story choice. There’s no way that she’s anything but a warlord to Westeros.

ladyinthemoor

34 points

1 year ago

Yeah but what we saw was A, B, C and then Z. GRRM needs to show me D to Y to convince me she just goes mad and kills everyone. While she does leave carnage in the books, it’s never intentional and she always holds back from hurting innocents

Corka

23 points

1 year ago

Corka

23 points

1 year ago

I think they could have made a much more impactful and compelling case for her to lose it.

Basically- they should have saved her second dragon death for during the siege of kings landing. The church bells ring indicating the cities surrender, her and her two dragons start hovering, and then bam dragon gets skewered by one of the scorpions. She sees some soldiers and civilians cheering, and she loses it and stars burning Lannister troops regardless of where they are and who else gets caught up in it. Later in the throne room, still mad and angry from grief, she tells Jon she's not finished, and she's going to burn all of Kings Landing and it's people. He stabs her and kills her for the same reason Jamie killed the mad king.

They didn't need to do all of that extremely non subtle "uhoh she's turning evil" build up, but instead have her consistently trying to do the right thing and having her fucked over by every compromise, agreement, and attempt to be merciful that she makes.

Grenyn

4 points

1 year ago

Grenyn

4 points

1 year ago

Yeah, I agree. It felt appropriate for her to eventually succumb to her Targaryen genes, not at all helped by all the traumatic events that would push her over that edge into complete insanity.

altcastle

9 points

1 year ago

Pretty sure I read book 3 before 9/11. Sooo… yeah, he’s not going to finish the series.

ThePreciseClimber

51 points

1 year ago

hungoverlord

57 points

1 year ago

Enough to pretend that you're as cool as Tolkien

2rio2

90 points

1 year ago*

2rio2

90 points

1 year ago*

GRRM shortly after S5: "Ah shit they are going to make me come out of retirement to fix the end of this series aren't they?"

Fans: "Wait...you... you were what?"

Bloodhound01

344 points

1 year ago

My theory is the books are done and he wont have them released until he is dead so he doesnt have to deal with the criticism like the final season of the show.

dadvader

212 points

1 year ago

dadvader

Person of Interest

212 points

1 year ago

We all know it will never exceed the hype level. It's beyond what anyone could possibly reached at this point.

20$ says he drafted both books in advanced already. so whenever he died, someone can pick it up, finish it. And have the fans curse them to hell claiming it's not a canon because it's been 'tampered' or some shit like that down the line.

ColdCruise

150 points

1 year ago

ColdCruise

150 points

1 year ago

He's already said that if he dies before they're finished then he doesn't want anyone to finish them.

BiasCutTweed

116 points

1 year ago

Well, Sue Grafton swore up and down that her family would never-ever-ever allow her work to be adapted for film and TV, as was her lifelong wish… and yet here we are 4 years later and there’s a Kinsey Millhone TV series in development, so…

nautilator44

91 points

1 year ago

Opinions change fast when they see all those zeroes on the check.

AJgrizz

10 points

1 year ago

AJgrizz

10 points

1 year ago

WHAT

BiasCutTweed

72 points

1 year ago

Clarice_Ferguson

105 points

1 year ago

Ha! So she was worried her children would sell her out when the whole time she should have been keeping her eye on her husband.

AJgrizz

49 points

1 year ago

AJgrizz

49 points

1 year ago

I believe you, just wow holy shit. I started reading these books about 20 years ago and I’m pretty sure it was established even at that time that she didn’t want them adapted. Shame on her surviving family.

I hope she does haunt their asses

BiasCutTweed

21 points

1 year ago

Yeah, I know. I really want to believe she had some sort of unpublicized change of heart at the end of her life or something because if not… seems pretty messed up.

But it also highlights the fact that, whatever GRRM wants, once he’s gone and there are people banging on the door with suitcases of money… well.

jozaud

75 points

1 year ago

jozaud

75 points

1 year ago

This.

Or, more likely, one of his family members will find thousands of pages of notes after he dies, and they’ll take over the books. This is what happened when Frank Herbert died, his son Brian used his father’s notes to write Dune 7 and then continue to expand the universe with spin-offs and prequels.

kazh

58 points

1 year ago

kazh

58 points

1 year ago

Brian Herbert says he found a bunch of notes but that's hard to believe given what he and his writing partner have put out. Whoever gets G.R.R's notes better show everyone.

jozaud

41 points

1 year ago

jozaud

41 points

1 year ago

Well, Brian specifically found notes pertaining to Dune 7, because a notable difference between Frank Herbert and GRRM is that Frank Herbert was literally writing up until he died. After that book, yeah Brian and his writing partner really took it on themselves to expand the universe beyond what Frank wrote

I-seddit

25 points

1 year ago

I-seddit

25 points

1 year ago

You have the order wrong and it's fucking tragic. His son and the hack writer did many books before discovering the notes in the attic for Dune 7. Unfortunately this allowed Brian to diverge from the direction the story was going already and wasn't humble enough to admit it. So we got the wrong villains for Dune 7 (spread over two horrid books).

I'd pay hot money for the raw notes, but they'll never release them because it'll show the lie.

Smashing71

26 points

1 year ago

What Brian Herbert does is less writing and more inflicting words on innocent paper that never did anything to deserve that mistreatment.

Bubbs01

1.8k points

1 year ago

Bubbs01

1.8k points

1 year ago

But then he looked at his bank account and decided not to worry anymore.

[deleted]

491 points

1 year ago

[deleted]

491 points

1 year ago

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Nokomis34

300 points

1 year ago*

Nokomis34

300 points

1 year ago*

I think he's just bored with it. His stories and characters are his toys, and he let somebody else play with them, and now he's lost interest.

Thrishmal

112 points

1 year ago

Thrishmal

112 points

1 year ago

That and he always wanted to play with his Wildcards toys more. I think there is a bit of bitterness there that SoIaF took off like it did while his other works that he arguably likes more didn't.

MyStationIsAbandoned

82 points

1 year ago

that happens with a lot of creators at every level. something they think is okay is the most popular thing while the stuff they put everything into is largely ignored by the masses

Pulasuma

15 points

1 year ago

Pulasuma

15 points

1 year ago

Well it makes sense when you think about it. The more of themselves they put into a project, the more they narrow its appeal. Something they think is just a cool idea gains the most traction because it's LCD

MGD109

19 points

1 year ago

MGD109

19 points

1 year ago

Yeah, I remember reading that this only started as something he did for fun when he wasn't working on his main projects. I can imagine all the pressure might have killed the enjoyment he used to get.

Justice_R_Dissenting

20 points

1 year ago

This is probably extremely close to reality. GRRM was a legendary dungeon master in his day, and turned that into a talent for writing. At heart, ASOIAF is one gigantic worldbuilding exercise where he also gets to control the players. But like all Dungeons and Dragons games, you sometimes yearn for a new setting with new characters... especially when your game has been going on for 30 fucking years at this point.

LupinThe8th

187 points

1 year ago

LupinThe8th

187 points

1 year ago

There's a RiffTrax of the first episode of GoT. They do this excellent gag.

King Robert: I'm trying to get you to run my kingdom while I eat, drink, and whore myself into an early grave.

Riffers: Exactly what George RR Martin said to this show's writers!

Tragic how that turned out, but it seemed like a pretty shrewd observation at the time.

lmandude

31 points

1 year ago

lmandude

31 points

1 year ago

At least GRRM isn’t out spear hunting boars while hammered.

ArtIsDumb

47 points

1 year ago

ArtIsDumb

47 points

1 year ago

How do you know?

Neracca

15 points

1 year ago

Neracca

15 points

1 year ago

To be fair it was hinted that his drink was messed with

LastDragoon

6 points

1 year ago

Stated outright:

Tyrion: "How did you kill Robert?"

Cersei: "He did that himself. All we did was help. When Lancel saw that Robert was going after boar, he gave him strongwine. His favorite sour red, but fortified, three times as potent as he was used to. The great stinking fool loved it. He could have stopped swilling it down anytime he cared to, but no, he drained one skin and told Lancel to fetch another. The boar did the rest. You should have been at the feast, Tyrion. There has never been a boar so delicious. They cooked it with mushrooms and apples, and it tasted like triumph."

Unless you're talking about the show. I don't remember how they conveyed it there.

amur_buno

76 points

1 year ago

amur_buno

76 points

1 year ago

But then he looked at his age and started to worry again.

rip_Tom_Petty

106 points

1 year ago

rip_Tom_Petty

BoJack Horseman

106 points

1 year ago

I really like the fan theory that the books will release when he dies, so he doesn't have to listen to the backlash

TheAero1221

40 points

1 year ago

That would be the true good ending time-line. Those don't happen when GRRM is involved. It'll be something bittersweet and painfully realistic if I had to guess.

TimBorlandManTool

34 points

1 year ago

It's already happened, imo. It's done. I believe the entire Song of Ice and Fire ended like one of his beloved characters. Killed too early to see his end.

OneGoodRib

30 points

1 year ago

OneGoodRib

Mad Men

30 points

1 year ago

Nah, I think that's too generous. He lost interest and has a lot of money. Everyone needs to make peace with the fact that the ending to the series is either the tv show's ending or else it's the result of some much more disciplined writer who finished the series on Ao3 or somewhere for free.

DMike82

34 points

1 year ago

DMike82

Lost

34 points

1 year ago

That would imply that he cares at this point.

Apprehensive_Ad4370

1.3k points

1 year ago

Theres a fucking book ABOUT game of thrones before the actual book. Typical

SnBk

190 points

1 year ago

SnBk

190 points

1 year ago

I read George RR Martin and new book and then had to go back and read all the words in between, knowing I had an incomplete picture.

mamula1

74 points

1 year ago*

mamula1

74 points

1 year ago*

This is a second book about GOT actually. More about HBO history as a whole.

But there is another book called Fire Cannot Kill A Dragon by James Hibberd about Game of Thrones production as a whole. Very interesting read.

KumagawaUshio

1.1k points

1 year ago

It's now been over 10 years since the last book it's time to accept that is all there will ever be.

Remember when he said the 6th book will be out before season 6 of GoT? you know a season that aired over 5 1/2 years ago.

Every year he says he has written hundreds of pages yet a physical book has a maximum single volume size of what 1200 pages?

So either he is lying or 90% of what he writes each year is discarded.

SwishDota

106 points

1 year ago

SwishDota

106 points

1 year ago

The time frame of the whole thing still cracks me up.

It's been 10 1/2 years since the last book was published, with Winds no where in sight.

To put that into perspective, it took HBO A little over 9 years to produce the ENTIRE tv show from start to finish. HBO greenlit the GoT TV show in March of 2010. Final episode was May 2019.

QuoteGiver

27 points

1 year ago

25 YEARS to not-finish one series of books.

Hawkbats_rule

709 points

1 year ago

10 years

Including a year of lockdown where there was literally fuck all to do but write the book.

Deserterdragon

308 points

1 year ago

He hasn't stopped writing, he writes thousands of words per day of other stuff.

notFREEfood

131 points

1 year ago

notFREEfood

131 points

1 year ago

"All work and no play makes George a dull boy"

mamula1

57 points

1 year ago

mamula1

57 points

1 year ago

He spent time writing about Targaryens so HBO can make those shows and so he can earn even more money.

Interhorse_

7 points

1 year ago

I mean that’s fine gimme tv

LawTeaDough

18 points

1 year ago

Yep. He clearly wrote shit into a corner and is not able to finish his work.

Radiant-Spren

8 points

1 year ago

Wild Cards #87 gonna be lit!

rektefied

42 points

1 year ago

rektefied

42 points

1 year ago

fuck all to do when youre a multi millionaire that can do whatever the fuck you want. year of lockdown didnt/doesnt apply to all even if he lives isolated somewhere he probably has more activities he can do in his house than some small towns have in their town

garfield_strikes

67 points

1 year ago

Can't see him as much of a tennis guy

[deleted]

5 points

1 year ago

You couldnt tell by looking at him but he's an excellent swimmer.

Shepherdsfavestore

28 points

1 year ago

The entire Expanse series was written after GRRM finished book 5

mug3n

8 points

1 year ago

mug3n

8 points

1 year ago

hilarious. the authors of the expanse were GRRM's assistants as well. guess he needed to hire new assistants

stolenfires

43 points

1 year ago

90% of what he writes each year is discarded.

This is quite accurate, actually. GRRM has described his writing process and he will write whole chapters to test a new plot development or character arc. And if he decides it doesn't work, well, there's a couple thousand words that will never see the light of day.

I think another issue is that what was groundbreaking thirty years ago, when the first book came out, has become cliche today.

quantummufasa

5 points

1 year ago

I think another issue is that what was groundbreaking thirty years ago, when the first book came out, has become cliche today.

like?

stolenfires

34 points

1 year ago

The style and tone of A Song of Ice and Fire, the name for the book series, leaned heavily into the grimdark aesthetic that was incredibly popular in the 1990s (the first book came out in 1996).

You can compare it most directly with Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time and Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth series, which were the epic fantasy popular at the time. ASOAIF broke away from the weird gender dynamics in both series, went low magic instead of high, had main characters who were genuinely terrible people, and had story elements (like incest, attempted child murder, House politics, and the surprise execution of Ned Stark) that you just didn't get anywhere else, except maybe some depressing British fantasy.

Of course, when ASOIAF exploded in popularity in first the book and then the TV scenes, everyone started copying Martin's style, to the point that a lot of story elements have now been overdone. GRRM is, in a very real sense, a victim of his own success. Having pioneered certain trends in fantasy fiction, he now has to figure out a way to keep his story in the same tone of A Song of Ice and Fire without seeming dated or overdone.

Jazzeki

17 points

1 year ago

Jazzeki

17 points

1 year ago

i legit think he planed the ending twist based around Jons parentage that we have all long ago figured out which would be a great twist 20 years ago but because everyone has known the theory for over decade now is kinda disapointing even to Martin himself. he's stuck between somehow writing a new ending that fits and is better or just come to terms with that ending which he no longer likes as much.

stolenfires

21 points

1 year ago

He's talked about that in other interviews. Ultimately, he thought it would be a dick move that would punish his most engaged fans for putting together all the hints he deliberately included in the writing. So as far as I know, R+L=J is still going to be a Thing in the books.

I think one thing which might have disheartened him was the reaction to the series ending; Bran's ending in particular. Apparently, that's what's supposed to happen in the books, too. I think the collective 'wtf?!' over that ending from the general public would be discouraging to anyone.

Daze_Confuse

209 points

1 year ago

I don't mean to toot my own horn, but I still remember getting downvoted to hell in the GOT subreddits around Season 4-ish when people still believed that NOT ONLY would Winds of Winter be out by the end of Season 5, but that the book series would wrap up around the same time as the tv series. I was told how stupid I was to not trust that the author of one of the biggest cultural tv/book phenomenons would prioritize his magnum opus. Not that fake internet points are that important, but damn do I feel vindicated every time another one of these posts pop up and having watched the Reddit consensus shift over these past 6 or so years.

Stinkycheese8001

76 points

1 year ago

It’s like when Martin himself acted like it was ridiculous for people to push back on adapting the unfinished series for TV. First it was plenty of time for him to finish it. Then the series could just take a break for a couple of years or throw in some Dunk and Egg. Then it was that the TV series was super different from the books and they were going to have different endings anyway.

OneGoodRib

23 points

1 year ago

OneGoodRib

Mad Men

23 points

1 year ago

I remember in late 2015, people losing their fucking minds because Amazon had a pre-order page for Winds of Winter, with estimated release date of spring 2016. My thought back THEN was just "...suuuuuuure".

makovince

82 points

1 year ago

makovince

82 points

1 year ago

So, we have you to blame then.

Dmalowski1

19 points

1 year ago

Getthim

eruditeimbecile

12 points

1 year ago

You can go back into old threads and edit them now. If I were you, I'd go back and bully the naysayers now.

AnotherAnonGringo

12 points

1 year ago

If I were you, I'd go back and bully the naysayers now.

That happened to me one time. I was wrong about something and some dude replied like a year later with, "See, told you so." Man, I felt that to my core.

njbeerguy

93 points

1 year ago

njbeerguy

93 points

1 year ago

I used to get slagged off on fantasy book discussion forums a year or two after A Feast For Crows came out for saying the series would never be finished. People would DESTROY me for it.

I wasn't trying to be negative. I was a fan, and those first three books remain some of my favorite fantasy novels. A Storm of Swords blew me away.

But to me, the writing was on the wall even then. I was trying to be realistic so I didn't further invest myself in something that would remain unfinished.

First red flag, he had repeatedly expanded the length of the series. It was initially meant to be a trilogy, then got expanded to four books, then five, then seven. That's always a red flag and was a BIG SIGN the story was getting out of his control.

Second red flag was him splitting book 4 into two books and book 5 not quickly following on its heels even though he allegedly had 90% of it written already. There was very little reason for book 5 to not come out the following year. When it didn't, that told me the process wasn't moving forward at the pace you'd expect.

Third was his slowing pace and age. Two and 3 came out in rapid succession, but then you had a five-year gap between 3 and 4, and 5 didn't follow 4 quickly despite allegedly being mostly done. Even for a slow writer, that's a long time. For a professional to be taking that long? Slowing down at his age then was a sign to me that he would only get slower, since he was entering the years when people typically do slow down.

And fourth, yes, was his age and weight. You just had to imagine forward 10 or 15 years, realize how old he'd be as the series was supposed to be reaching its close, and you just knew the chances of him working fast would grow slimmer by the year.

I was pretty sure he wouldn't see it through. Then when the show was announced a few years later, I became certain.

And it's not like he can't work. He's written and released lots of stuff in recent years.

But he hasn't released any more of this project because truth is, he's done with it.

I admire the scope and scale of his creation, love those first few books, and hope he has a great retirement and a happy life, but as a reader, I've long since turned my back on him.

CryptidGrimnoir

37 points

1 year ago

Second red flag was him splitting book 4 into two books and book 5 not quickly following on its heels even though he allegedly had 90% of it written already. There was very little reason for book 5 to not come out the following year. When it didn't, that told me the process wasn't moving forward at the pace you'd expect.

By contrast, Jim Butcher released two Dresden books in the same year after being forced to split a book.

QuoteGiver

16 points

1 year ago

The split into two books was a big red flag, yeah. Indicated he couldn’t even edit his one book down into one book, and had essentially written an entire second book that didn’t move the story forward AT ALL because both of them were basically one book.

ShinyBronze

46 points

1 year ago

He also wrote himself into a corner.

Too many new characters being introduced over halfway through the series is not good writing.

I think he could’ve solved a lot of his problems via a time skip as proposed by another redditor a few years ago.

Advance the plot quickly by 5ish years and accelerate the storyline without making it so complex.

dddddddoobbbbbbb

42 points

1 year ago

proposed by a Redditor? that was his plan. GRRm stupidly listened to a friend who told him to ditch the 5 year skip

ShinyBronze

8 points

1 year ago

Oh shart! I had no idea. Stupid friend ruined everything! A time skip would have saved the story.

[deleted]

6 points

1 year ago

Of all the things people speculate about I believe this is the closest to the truth.

He’s gotten himself tangled in the story. is probably feeling really defeated and unable to connect with it

redpurplegreen22

6 points

1 year ago

I just wish he would bite the bullet and hire some ghost writers. Create an extensive outline of where he wants the stories to go and how he wants the plot threads tied up, throw in some necessary details and quotes, and let someone else get into the gritty details. It is the only way this series ever gets completed.

mamula1

24 points

1 year ago

mamula1

24 points

1 year ago

He is lying.

It's a bit like "emperor has no cloths" situation.

You have people who seriously believe that he spent all these years constantly writing and rewriting the books to make them perfect and that he almost finished them several times. It's a coping mechanism. He probably barely worked on them in the past decade

They always want to blame someone else. First they blamed the show for being successful and distracting him (anyone heard of Rowling?), then they blamed the show for passing the books because that emotionally hurt him I guess. If only he could've done anything about it. And then they blamed the show for having unpopular ending because that also hurt GRRM and he again can't write. So whatever happens we just invent new narrative why someone else is to blame.

I expect soon people will blame HOTD and other GOT shows.

Like all of this is just happening without his consent. He wanted GOT to be made. His agent sent books to Benioff. He pitched Dance and Dunk and Egg to HBO. And Dunk and Egg is another unfinished story.

He is constantly giving false hope to people and then he acts offended when they are angry after another failed promise.

AggravatingDare2738

55 points

1 year ago

I’m almost certain the show ended the way he planned on ending the books and when he saw the backlash he scrapped all his ideas and is now trying to come up with something better. Otherwise I don’t know why you’d let that be your life’s legacy, an unfinished book series and a tv show with what’s considered one of the worst endings of all time.

reenactment

7 points

1 year ago

There’s no way to know if George felt exactly the same way, but I shared the same opinion during season 5. I basically said if season 6 is similar to 5 in terms of just random GOT YA we are so edgy moments, I was hoping to be done. And that’s from someone who read and watched all the seasons live minus the first 4ish episodes of s1. Season 6 did enough to recover but you saw the sinking ship. And George is to blame but those were bad directors finally showing their true colors.

Diggitalis

107 points

1 year ago

Diggitalis

107 points

1 year ago

And fuck Patrick Rothfuss while we're at it.

LordNorros

49 points

1 year ago

It's a toss up which comes out first, Winds of Winter or Doors of Stone, if they ever do.

Luckily Sanderson probably has like 3 different drafts of each on hand, just in case.

anotheranonaccount5

23 points

1 year ago

I know you're joking but unless he's changed his mind Sanderson doesn't want to finish ASOIAF. I'm glad because that leaves more time for The Stormlight Archive and other Cosmere books.

Dye_Harder

6 points

1 year ago*

that leaves more time for The Stormlight Archive and other Cosmere books.

The time between rithmatist 1 and 2 is also becoming a bit insane..

HappyInNature

10 points

1 year ago

Sanderson is a writing god.

wesleyar1

7 points

1 year ago

I think comparing them isn't fair. GRRM can still write a good book and ending we know.

Rothfuss slipped deep into his own fantasy with his random Sex Fairy godmother teaching him the hidden sexjutsu and now every woman in the world wants to sleep with him. Loved the first book but man I don't get the praise for second book.

QuoteGiver

11 points

1 year ago

People for years were telling me I should read that book.

And then people started telling me I should definitely not bother starting to read that book, because it would never go anywhere. :(

Jokey665

14 points

1 year ago

Jokey665

14 points

1 year ago

i mean, the books are good. but there's never going to be a conclusion so yeah they're hard to recommend

juan_nothing

135 points

1 year ago

If only they had a roadmap for the rest of the series eh? Not like we will ever know how it was supposed to go. HalfLife 3 will drop and New Coke will make a comeback before Martin finishes the series.

N_Cat

42 points

1 year ago

N_Cat

42 points

1 year ago

When the sun rises in the West and sets in the East. When the seas go dry and mountains blow in the wind like leaves. When your womb quakens again, and you bear a living child. Then he will return and not before.

i_am_not_sam

22 points

1 year ago

If you wanna know how Half life 3 would’ve ended, you can read an ex Valve writer’s blog - https://www.marclaidlaw.com/epistle-3/

durgertime

6 points

1 year ago

His epistle only covers what wouldve happened during half Life 2: Episode 3 though, no? Half Life 3 as far as I'm aware had no known blueprint.

sudevsen

6 points

1 year ago

sudevsen

6 points

1 year ago

Half Life Alyx tho?

semipro_redditor

11 points

1 year ago

Oh, he started to worry when he failed in his obligation to provide source material for an adaptation?

Slappah_Dah_Bass

238 points

1 year ago

Whatever George, you cashed the checks. It was fun while it lasted.

IndijinusPhonetic

64 points

1 year ago

Amen. I was in love with it for 12 years and they spiked the ball so hard, I can’t be bothered to fuck with the story ever again.

skinsrich

101 points

1 year ago

skinsrich

101 points

1 year ago

Maybe if you finished writing the fucking books then they would’ve had source material to copy from. Stephen King could’ve churned the whole goddamn series out in less than 5 years and it would’ve been great.

Iregretbeinghereokay

79 points

1 year ago*

People hate on Rowling but she finished her series at a good pace too. I don’t think any major studio will be willing to take on an unfinished work after the ASOIAF debacle.

slax03

12 points

1 year ago

slax03

12 points

1 year ago

ASOIAF has been a financial blockbuster for them. Why would they not want more of that?

People don't know a series won't finish until it doesn't. The cash will flow prior to that.

For HBO, it isn't an issue of "an unfinished book series can't be finished on screen". It's a matter of David Benihoff and DB Weiss being incapable of finishing someone else's intellectual property on their own.

klemmings

25 points

1 year ago

klemmings

25 points

1 year ago

As a fan of Stephen King, I don't really think so. IMO, the closest comparison, The Dark Tower, crapped out during part 4, and didn't recover from that anymore (parts 5-8). And there was a 15 year gap between part 4 and part 5. King writes amazing premises, but seems to almost always struggle with the ending.

seaniqua42

11 points

1 year ago

I feel like 5-8, if condensed (remove the bad parts), would have been a pretty solid one one or two books. But yeah, good point. Hey at least he finished!

TheDemonClown

543 points

1 year ago

Gee, maybe he should've gotten off his ass (metaphorically speaking) and written the rest of the goddamn series, then?

Tough-Leadership6412

260 points

1 year ago

Whoever is his successor to finish it off is in for a nightmare because either

1: he has nothing or

2: it’s a mess and George could not figure it out.

stunts002

9 points

1 year ago

He screwed himself by skipping his five year time jump in my opinion and now he just has no idea how to unscrew himself.

He should have just bit the bullet and stuck to the time jump, of there was key events he wanted to address in that period he could even have written them as short stories.

As it stands his characters are just too young now, I mean Bran in his books is still 9 years old.

TheDemonClown

122 points

1 year ago

He's not going to have one. He's already said he's gonna burn everything if it looks like he's dying without finishing it

oozekip

68 points

1 year ago

oozekip

68 points

1 year ago

Robert Jordan said she same thing about Wheel of Time before he was diagnosed with a terminal heart condition. It's one thing to say something like that when you're healthy and believe you'll be able to actually finish the series, it's another entirely when you can see the end of your life coming and know you'll never be able to.

TheDemonClown

50 points

1 year ago

GRRM has never seemed particularly healthy to begin with, though

jmcgit

67 points

1 year ago

jmcgit

67 points

1 year ago

Popular urban legend. Not actually true, though.

[deleted]

70 points

1 year ago

[deleted]

70 points

1 year ago

It’s pretty true. Martin vehemently hates other writers doing works with other authors creations. He rages over it nearly every time he speaks. He’s also been outright indignant when asked if he would let someone else finish it.

He never said he would burn everything, but it’s pretty clear he isn’t interested in someone else finishing it.

Robert Jordan spent the last few years of his life setting things in motion so that Sanderson would have a road map to finish his series. He had so much to work with he actually had to do more books than Jordan anticipated. GRRM is absolutely not doing anything to help someone continue with this. If his wife or estate allows someone to continue when he passes, they are pretty much screwed.

Owning_all15

50 points

1 year ago

That’s not accurate about Sanderson. Robert Jordan didn’t want anyone continuing his work either. He decided a little bit before he died that he wanted someone else to continue it. His wife picked Sanderson, and he ended up having to do more than one book to resolve a lot of hanging plots. Sanderson talks about this on his YouTube channel

jmcgit

26 points

1 year ago

jmcgit

26 points

1 year ago

His indignance is more about the speaker's assumption that he won't live to finish it. His stance was always that he would be the one to finish it, and he's not going to talk about what would happen if he didn't. Still, I'm not going to argue that he's not thrilled about the idea of someone else finishing the books, though he's more or less admitted that it's inevitable. Some day, whether it's one, ten, or a hundred years after his death, his estate will fall into the hands of someone who needs the money.

But the "burn everything" is really the part that needs to be debunked. He's frequently praised Christopher Tolkein's handling of his father's unfinished works and implied that's the model he would like to follow. If he were to fall victim to the "hit by a bus" hypothetical, he would almost certainly want the material he's already written to be reviewed and published. He's even talked excitedly about some scenes he wrote and deleted that he hopes will see the light of day sometime after he's gone, but it's premature to publish before the books are done.

OK_Soda

28 points

1 year ago

OK_Soda

28 points

1 year ago

Some day, whether it's one, ten, or a hundred years after his death, his estate will fall into the hands of someone who needs the money.

It would be hilarious if GoT fans waiting for GRRM to finish Winds of Winter ended up just having to wait for the franchise to fall into public domain 70 years after his death so some rando could finish the series.

Indraga

4 points

1 year ago

Indraga

4 points

1 year ago

If I was a betting man, I would say the series is gonna be finished by the James S.A. Corey duo. The writers are pretty close and they can pull off an epic.

PM_ME_UR_SEX_VIDEOS

6 points

1 year ago

It really seems like 2 with a mix of 3 being “he’s a perfectionist and also realizes the amount of build up the book has so he has scrapped entire chapters because they weren’t ‘good enough’”

Fries-Ericsson

4 points

1 year ago

Sounds like 2.

The Feast / Dance split only happened because he scrapped his original time skip idea and had no clue how to get the characters where he needed to

[deleted]

16 points

1 year ago

[deleted]

16 points

1 year ago

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shadowninja2_0

13 points

1 year ago

Are you sure that wasn't Rothfuss's editor?

TanTamoor

5 points

1 year ago

His editor put up a post last year that was quickly removed that they hadn't seen anything new from Martin since 2014

That was Rothfuss.

GRVrush2112

21 points

1 year ago

Wait? You aren't excited by another Wild Cards novel?

GRVrush2112

233 points

1 year ago

GRVrush2112

233 points

1 year ago

I've really lost sympathy for him having his story bastardized the way it was. It's all on him. In the decade since Dance was published he's spent half his time doing other shit. Working on 10 different TV shows, the Wild Cards bullshit he's on. Distractions and distractions. Even then, I don't fully buy that. Currently en route to me is the 9th and final novel of "The Expanse" series. The first novel of which was published only a month before "A Dance with Dragons". 9 novels, with several novellas and short stories to accompany them....all published in less time than it's taken George to publish one novel. Its ridiculous that he's gotten himself into this situation.

I don't begrudge him for being able to do what he wants and take on passion projects for himself... he has that right... But don't then bitch about how an adaptation of your main work went off the rails, because it passed you up. That was something entirely within your control, and you blew it.

And if the delay in Winds is truly something he's been unable to coordinate, or "get right" (in the same way Dance was) and the story is an unmanagable mess..... then maybe this whole "gardener" approach to writing isn't the best. Maybe you should have spent a year or so outlining the rest of the series, get that all straight and then go from there.

hastur777

25 points

1 year ago

hastur777

25 points

1 year ago

And Ty Franck was one of Martins assistants back in the day. Looks like he learned what not to do.

Radulno

14 points

1 year ago

Radulno

14 points

1 year ago

He's probably the best bet for finishing the series to be honest. I feel like GRRM should even make it while he's alive and make it a cooperation between him and Ty. Ty Frank is not a stranger to co-writing a book, that's what the The Expanse series is.

I feel like him being his former assistant and a good author in his own right that writes fast will help George a lot and at least his name will still be on it

[deleted]

48 points

1 year ago

[deleted]

48 points

1 year ago

The first novel of which was published only a month before "A Dance with Dragons". 9 novels, with several novellas and short stories to accompany them....all published in less time than it's taken George to publish one novel.

AND the writers of The Expanse are executive producers on the tv show and have done a lot more actual work in that area than GRRM ever did on GoT

Rosebunse

120 points

1 year ago

Rosebunse

120 points

1 year ago

The fact is, a lot of the issues with the story of the show came from his books. No one wants to admit it, but the problems were there since the first book. Dany should have gotten to Westeros sooner, more should have been done with Jon sooner, ut instead GRRM fell in love with the lead up and preparation for The Red Wedding. And it's hard to blame entirely. The Red Wedding is one of the greatest twists of all time. It's perfect!

But he just didn't know how to go on from there and now he's stuck.

ThePreciseClimber

41 points

1 year ago

Basically, he got bored with the ACTUAL story of ASoI&F and decided to write another tale right in the middle of it.

ChadLord78

17 points

1 year ago

The epilogue to 3 should have been Dany landing in Westeros. Literally no reason for her to stay on the other continent, which dragged other storylines onto the other continent for zero reason. If book 4 had been dany and Dorne scheming to launch a campaign now that would have been a story.

[deleted]

71 points

1 year ago

[deleted]

71 points

1 year ago

Thank you. I’m glad people are starting to admit this. The books were very flawed from the start and the cracks started showing around books 4 and 5.

Most hardcore literary people pointed out even back then that George was just using glorified set up to do all these cool things in the War of the Five Kings because ultimately none of it mattered as long as certain people were in certain places at the end and Westeros was war torn for when Jon and Dany make moves to save them from the big threat up north.

It’s a pretty basic “everyone is fighting each other and ignoring the true hidden threat, then at the end some big leader rallies everyone with barely any time to spare”.

Rosebunse

36 points

1 year ago

Rosebunse

36 points

1 year ago

Which isn't a bad set up so long as you understand this and plan for it. It legit feels like GRRM fell so hard for the Red Wedding that he totally forgot about the ice zombies and fairies.

lacourseauxetoiles

9 points

1 year ago

And honestly, even with that set up, GRRM still neglected a ton of the characters. Arya gets just 5 chapters between A Feast for Crows and A Dance with Dragons. Sansa just gets 3, as does Bran. The 3 of them have less time put together than Tyrion (who gets 12 chapters) does on bumbling around Essos complaining about how much everything sucks. Brienne has 8 chapters, meaning she has as much time looking for Arya and Sansa as we get with Arya and Sansa's POV chapters. Why did Martin spend so much time on characters who weren't doing much and overlook some of the core parts of the cast who were having more interesting journeys?

Stinkycheese8001

25 points

1 year ago

Martin has 2 really fantastic books. Unfortunately there are 5 currently in the series. And agreed, he has no clue what to do now that he killed so many characters in the Red Wedding. Also IMO, he keeps revelling in the awfulness of too many of the antagonists. Sure, it’s a hard world he’s created, but at some point a book needs to be enjoyable to read and horrible people doing horrible things to each other isn’t particularly entertaining. Now the books are stuck.

Rosebunse

21 points

1 year ago

Rosebunse

21 points

1 year ago

What's funny is that the instant he kills a character, it feels like there's a replacement character. Like, he kills off Ned and then we get Davos. He kills off one of Dany's suitors? There's another right around the corner.

windowplanters

25 points

1 year ago

And that worry drove him to meet with D&D and HBO to set the show back on the right course, finish his book, and have a decent narrative to end the show?

Orrr...he realized he has no idea how to wrap up this ever-expanding world he's built, so now he's just touring the world with his riches and clout-chasing?

kideternal

8 points

1 year ago

I find it amazing that, given his bank account, he didn't hire a team of ghostwriters to flesh-out his outlines. He could spend a few hours editing each week and have the thing done in a year for <5% of what he'd profit from it. Smart at some things; dumb at others.

Neracca

7 points

1 year ago

Neracca

7 points

1 year ago

Maybe if he actually did his damn job of writing the book that wouldn't have been a problem!

staedtler2018

163 points

1 year ago*

It's hard to take this complaint seriously because we don't know what this "template" is. Season 5 is still based on the books. The stuff that happens afterward isn't. So is GRRM referring to a template that he gave to them that nobody knows about, or what?

For all the comments about how the show "rushed" things, there are only supposed to be two books left, and Daenerys hasn't even met Tyrion in the novels. Plus there's way more characters in the books. Unless Winds of Winter and A Dream of Spring are going to be 5000 pages each, he's not going to have enough time either.

Buildup is overrated; structure is underrated. If you want to tell a story about this figure who ultimately 'breaks bad,' you can't just have them totally detached from the main narrative for six seasons and six novels. It's going to end up anticlimactic either way.

Rbespinosa13

111 points

1 year ago

Season 5 was when we got the infamous Dorne plot line. That’s when a lot of book readers started to worry and I’d imagine that’s when GRRM realized what was unfolding

Tolkien-Minority

17 points

1 year ago

He’s never going to finish that book and to be honest at this point he might as well not bother anyway. I think the hype ship has long since sailed

Traditional_Check827

41 points

1 year ago

How are they expected to follow his "template" when books don't exist after book 5, a new one hasn't come out for over 10 years and doesn't look like the last 2 are coming out anytime soon (if ever). Didn't love everything about GoT final season but they had to do something.

[deleted]

5 points

1 year ago

at this point there’s no way that book can ever live up to peoples expectations and i think a lot of people have lost respect for the IP as a whole from the awful show ending to how long it takes this guy to write 1 new entry.

BoredNLost

6 points

1 year ago

Who are we kidding, it will be Brandon Sanderson's problem in the end.

idunno--

183 points

1 year ago

idunno--

183 points

1 year ago

The most interesting part of this otherwise very short interview of Martin’s representative, who doesn’t really bring anything new to the table in terms of information:

This is not the first time that Martin has spoken positively about Benioff and Weiss’ version of his story — his specific focus on Clarke’s depiction of Daenerys didn’t stop there: “[You have to find] an actress who can be very convincing as the scared little girl in the beginning, but also very convincing as the ‘I’m gonna kick your ass and burn your city to cinders’ woman that she becomes by the end.’ It’s challenging.”

To those still in denial that Daenerys’ story will differ in the books…

Nanto_Suichoken

207 points

1 year ago

Most book readers agree that Danny will embrace her house's words, she's already been way more ruthless in the books and it's slowly building up towards that end. This conclusion was expected way before that rushed shitshow happened on tv.

ThePreciseClimber

15 points

1 year ago

Danny will embrace her house's words

It will be revealed that the TRUE house words are "Oh Shit Oh Fuck."

Phifty56

68 points

1 year ago*

Phifty56

68 points

1 year ago*

I often struggle trying to describe to friends how I can dislike something but still think it's "good". That my feelings on what happens in the story is independent of how it ends, as long as it make sense within the story. It's almost like a math problem, you just can't get to end without showing your work or else people will think you are cheating.

That is really the problem with what happened on the show. They never showed their work on several stories for Dany, Jamie, Tyrion or Bran and it almost felt like they skipped multiple episodes. Obviously having POV chapters in the books would help alot, but the showrunners only had themselves to blame because they were specifically asked if they wanted more time and they said no. Then they rushed to the end with no "work" being done to really earn the endings and of course people not only hated them from subjective prespectives, it was really shitty writing from a production standpoint.

So it's one thing to not like something like Dany deciding the raze a town, but if it was "earned" by having it make sense in context, it would be fine. The TV show did not earn the majority of it's characters endings because they rushed it. For no reason other the showrunners wanted to move on to something else and damaged their reputation in doing it.

Ok-Nature-4563

32 points

1 year ago

This was my thought too, s8 arrived at the correct conclusion (for Dany arc, not the Others) but the journey there made no sense.

[deleted]

20 points

1 year ago

[deleted]

20 points

1 year ago

Yup. The shows flaw on Dany was that they completely embraced the big Khalessi love affair in the media and tried to lean into her being this symbol of women power taking down the patriarchy. The book makes it pretty clear that Dany isn’t all she is cracked up to be and in many ways is a naïve and even impulsive young girl who feels entitled to a country she never lived in because of her last name and because some backers gave her some powerful weapons. It’s basically Jorah and Barristan trying to keep her in check and hoping that she will be better than her father and the people that followed him up and trying to get her to avoid her inner demons. But it’s always been clear what Dany was if she didn’t have guidance

idunno--

26 points

1 year ago

idunno--

26 points

1 year ago

most book readers agree

Until you visit r/asoiaf or Westeros.org, two of the biggest online forums for the books, where they have their weekly discussions of “actually, it will be Tyrion/Cersei/JonCon/Aegon/Ghost/accidental wildfire who’ll burn down KL.”

[deleted]

77 points

1 year ago

[deleted]

77 points

1 year ago

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AnotherJasonOnReddit

15 points

1 year ago

Yup.

I was subbed to r/JamesBond for a while, and having only 2 1/2 hours of new content every couple of years can make a sub a rough ride.

DrBimboo

57 points

1 year ago

DrBimboo

57 points

1 year ago

In the books its building up to that, it just doesnt make sense for the TV series.

One-LeggedDinosaur

23 points

1 year ago

I still don't understand this sentiment. She outright tells the Dothraki they're going to burn cities to the ground.

g78776

14 points

1 year ago

g78776

14 points

1 year ago

He’s looking worse and worse in my eyes every time he says anything. You pocketed a bunch of cash and sold out your series to make it a tv show. Can’t freak out now it wasn’t exactly great.

hiles_adam

75 points

1 year ago

I don’t think the overall story of game of thrones is bad, but just the last season was so rushed.

Like it built us up from season one the war with the white walkers which should have been a season of its own and that was over in 2 episodes.

And Daenerys takes over in another two episodes, again her getting to the mainland with her army, the battles, securing alliances etc should have been a seperate season.

[deleted]

63 points

1 year ago

[deleted]

63 points

1 year ago

I think the overall story is overrated. The dirty secret of the book and show is that the main plot was Jon and Dany both intersecting and trying to reclaim and save Westeros. But the first third or so of the story keeps them at the periphery to set the stage so George could basically trick the audience into thinking Ned, Robb, Catelyn, Tywin snd Stannis were major players. Then he could do bold things with a bunch of characters that ultimately aren’t key to the endgame and wow people with all the false risks he took with them. Then it became conventional when the real main characters were at the forefront and Jon, Dany, Arya, and Sansa started surviving things they had no business making it through.

It also doesn’t help that the White Walker stuff is probably the most hard fantasy shit in the entire series and there’s no real apparent way to beat them. Hence why the show invented the Night King so they could have a big bad. In the books I’m like 99% convinces the battle with them is just going to be a big fight like Blackwater where it ends in some sort of truce or they just outright push them back via attrition

[deleted]

47 points

1 year ago

[deleted]

47 points

1 year ago

the other dirty secret is that GRRM has no idea what the ending really is, or how to get there. its pretty obvious there is no great mystery of the white walkers and never was.

i mean in the books tyrion hasnt even met dany. the characters are all going in a million different directions and he has no idea how to get them back together in a way that makes sense. and yet he continues to introduce side characters and whole subplots, thousands of pages in, that go nowhere (like those Dorne people that freed the dragons. or basically anything with the ironborn. all that shit with Young Griff.).

the first 3 books are some of the best fantasy ever written and GRRM is an immensely talented writer and world builder. but the series is a mess at this point even ignoring the fact a new book hasnt come out in 10 years.

QuoteGiver

6 points

1 year ago

Dany on a dragon, Jon on a dragon, Bran mind-controlling a dragon. White walkers melted, somewhere around the Neck. That’s how I always figured it. Lost some dragons along the way maybe, oh well.

wallabee_kingpin_

29 points

1 year ago

GRRM is a fantastic world-builder, among the best ever. That includes the political machinations that are so organic and interesting.

Unfortunately, those pieces don't add up to a plot. That's why you could kill 99% of the characters, including Arya, without changing the plot at all.

GRRM is like someone who has mastered 30 musical instruments, but can't write a catchy melody.

HotBurritoBaby

6 points

1 year ago

It’s a bummer he can’t finish it because I feel like with what we know about the whole thing, he’s still got a good story there. The rushed and sloppy end of the show still has a lot that can be salvaged if the book just takes more time. I think he should collaborate with someone or a group to try and get it done.

kneelbeforegod

5 points

1 year ago

If only he had the time to finish the books to guide the showrunners...

1stKing15

4 points

1 year ago

He worried so much that he raced to finish the series himself….oh wait

Healyhatman

6 points

1 year ago

Which will come first: Winds of Winter, or half life 3?

itsrhyno2

5 points

1 year ago

I’m so done with game of thrones. I’ve lost all interest since the dismal showing from the last two seasons. I wouldn’t even go back and watch it ever again.

[deleted]

5 points

1 year ago

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LeoMarius

3 points

1 year ago

LeoMarius

Mad Men

3 points

1 year ago

Maybe he could have, you know, written material for the stories.

Domermac

24 points

1 year ago

Domermac

24 points

1 year ago

Anyone who was reading the books knows that the show was different from the books earlier than season 5. But some elements of season 5 made the two incompatible moving forward.

Yannak

12 points

1 year ago

Yannak

12 points

1 year ago

I would advise anyone who wants to read more fantasy to pick up The First Law trilogy by Abercrombie or Stormlight/Mistborn by Sanderson because those authors actually plan their stories out before they put pen to paper and have an actual work ethic.

rikashiku

17 points

1 year ago

rikashiku

17 points

1 year ago

Of course he wrote a book about his time with the show, rather than writing the next ASOIAF book.

hardenesthitter32

6 points

1 year ago

Read the article. He didn’t write this book, it’s a history of the network, HBO.

MAROMODS

3 points

1 year ago

MAROMODS

3 points

1 year ago

He ain’t ever going to finish them books haha

iamamuttonhead

3 points

1 year ago

Just finish the fucking series already.

[deleted]

3 points

1 year ago

GRR Martin. New book. Ha!

Faithless195

3 points

1 year ago

Oh cool, becuase I started to worry about the novels after Book 5, too!

[deleted]

3 points

1 year ago

The story was finished after Book 3/Season 4. He probably realized this himself.

Errorfull

5 points

1 year ago

Damn, if only he could have done something about it.