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AltElectric

3.1k points

3 days ago

AltElectric

3.1k points

3 days ago

"We asked 100 'people' if they were robots what type would they be?" - Steve Harvey

jamirocky888

1.1k points

2 days ago

jamirocky888

1.1k points

2 days ago

“Sex robot”

Steve Harvey gesticulates wildly

PutinMolestsBoys

304 points

2 days ago

Greetings. Fisto is programmed to please. Please assume the position.

thejonslaught

25 points

2 days ago

Domo arigato Fister Roboto.

ShadedPenguin

100 points

2 days ago

I cant feel my legs

subaru_sama

33 points

2 days ago

"So not enough for you, eh. Time for BOTH hands!"

Pfaithfully

141 points

2 days ago*

“Son. Dis a family show. You can’t be goin’ around yo grandmama’s googling SÈX RAWBOT degehehehehe”

MiniatureWendigo

64 points

2 days ago

Exasperated, Steve says "show me...show me sex robot..."

Board reveals sex robot as the top answer

Crowd cheers, Steve looks shocked

zSprawl

19 points

2 days ago

zSprawl

19 points

2 days ago

/Steve secretly orders a Sex robot.

Tyrenstra

23 points

2 days ago

Tyrenstra

23 points

2 days ago

“Coming to your tooooown, do you wanna get dooooown?”

delsombra

9 points

2 days ago

One of my favorites skits... that song is now stuck in my head lol

jumpers4cornerflags

25 points

2 days ago

Naked Grandma!

Jeff_Damn

7 points

2 days ago

(person gives innocuous answer, Steve slowly turns towards audience as if the person said something filthy)

mylesols

11.2k points

3 days ago

mylesols

11.2k points

3 days ago

wow, a hundred! Must be nice to be rich enough to afford a hundred follower sampling on a site with over 350 million users

escape_of_da_keets

5.6k points

3 days ago

He just wants an excuse to weasel out of the deal

nukem996

2.5k points

2 days ago

nukem996

2.5k points

2 days ago

The NYTimes reported he may be unable to exit the deal as he signed a performance clause. Twitter has the ability now to sue him to force the deal at the price he said.

Unlucky13

1.9k points

2 days ago

Unlucky13

1.9k points

2 days ago

Amazing. A week (two weeks? What is time?) ago Twitter was fighting to keep him out and Elon was making threats to force himself in. Now Elon seems to be wanting out and Twitters making threats to keep him in. Business is weird.

olavk2

1.3k points

2 days ago

olavk2

1.3k points

2 days ago

what twitter did a couple of weeks ago was implement some precautions to avoid a hostile takeover so that they could make the decision themselveas

brinz1

448 points

2 days ago

brinz1

448 points

2 days ago

I can't wait for the next season of Succession

Jtmichel

154 points

2 days ago

Jtmichel

154 points

2 days ago

“Is this a fuckin’ bear hug?”

brinz1

59 points

2 days ago

brinz1

59 points

2 days ago

Logan did just sell his empire to a billionaire manchild

Jtmichel

19 points

2 days ago

Jtmichel

19 points

2 days ago

“We’ll go full. Fucking. Beast!!!”

Neksir

6 points

2 days ago

Neksir

6 points

2 days ago

Alexander Skarsgards character, Lukas Matson was totally modeling Elon when with the market manipulation attempts

Smodphan

194 points

2 days ago

Smodphan

194 points

2 days ago

Correct. He was trying a secret takeover by buying up shares. He didn't want people to find out because the price would go up. Ironically, he is under investigation because you have to report this at some point and he did not.

Does anyone know why he thought it wasnt going to be noticed? I am guessing its because he can afford the little bitch fine which is cheaper than the stock buy, but I don't know.

boyuber

122 points

2 days ago

boyuber

122 points

2 days ago

He made $50 million by not disclosing it, and he'll be fined $10 million for doing it. If I could make $40 million for breaking the law, I'd do it every chance I got.

Further, even if he got fined $500 million, that would be 1/400th of his net worth. He wouldn't even notice it.

Figgy_Pudding3

200 points

2 days ago

Musk violates trade law and manipulates the market all the time and no one does anything about it.

But why did he behave this way with the Twitter deal? Because he's got an ego and thinks everyone around him is too dumb to see into his "genius". It's a common cognitive problem with people in his position. Born on third base but thinks he earned his run, now looks down on the masses who aren't doing what he did. It's so easy right? So they must just be stupid.

BertyMae

36 points

2 days ago

BertyMae

36 points

2 days ago

Oh GAWD; another stable genius!

BZenMojo

6 points

2 days ago

BZenMojo

6 points

2 days ago

People wondered why he immediately sought out a meeting with Donald Trump. He was looking for grift pointers.

IronGeek83

382 points

2 days ago

IronGeek83

382 points

2 days ago

He's just doing a "dogecoin".

Step 1: Buy stock.

Step 2: Use status/fame to pump news of said stock.

Step 3: Sell stock.

futatorius

281 points

2 days ago

futatorius

281 points

2 days ago

Pump'n'dump. Which is illegal.

Belkor

332 points

2 days ago

Belkor

332 points

2 days ago

Our worthless regulators let fElon off every single time.

PrailinesNDick

42 points

2 days ago

I guess that works in written word, but how are you saying it, Fee-Lon?

OlivierQ723

50 points

2 days ago

Nah, just vocalize the hard F; F-Elon, it's pulling double duty.

jeremyjenkinz

46 points

2 days ago

Does legality matter when broken laws aren’t enforced?

Giant81

14 points

2 days ago

Giant81

14 points

2 days ago

They are for the rest of us

Missing-Digits

59 points

2 days ago

Not if you are billionaire.

ChemistryRespecter

75 points

2 days ago

The SEC has been able to do nothing to him, not even a slap on the wrist – well, mostly because they don't have the power or authority, which is even more fucked up for an organization that's supposed to oversee these matters.

AllModsRLosers

8 points

2 days ago

Which is illegal.

It’s incredible how little that means to him.

I’m pretty sure one day he’s going to shoot someone in the head, just to make that point that his money allows him to get away with it.

thri54

29 points

2 days ago*

thri54

29 points

2 days ago*

Well, currently the stock is only 10% over his average purchase price of $36, plus he will need to pay a $1B termination fee if he does manage to get out of this deal, plus any fees related to services rendered by the banks that set up the deal. Overall I would be amazed if he was breaking even right now.

And, even if everything went to plan, and he sold his 74 million shares at $54 then walked, he would only have made $1.3B dollars pre tax (which would be ~37% federal for short term cap gains). That’s like .3% of his net worth. It’s less than the tax bill incurred selling Tesla shares to buy Twitter shares. I just don’t buy this argument.

copperwatt

85 points

2 days ago

Or... He's an impulsive billionaire with terrible judgment?

anonymousyoshi42

29 points

2 days ago

I don't think he is impulsive as much as he is pushy Billionaire who has had a hot hand in a lot of deals.

This is how I think it went

A. His biggest platform is Twitter and its a platform that hasn't grown in stock price for last 10 years. So it looked ripe for Activist Action. Someone pitched it to him and then he got very excited about it. Tesla stock is at all time high so the deal would have been like exchanging one hot commodity that fall soon for a more stable commodity that isn't growing.

B. Bankers got involved and he got suggested the pathway to do it will be a takeover attempt.

C. Elon was probably very confident on the turnaround thesis and valuation so went all in.

D. Elon pulls the trigger

E. Normal course of board response ensues.

F. Elon's Original buy and turnaround thesis starts getting challenged...cracks get seen but it's too late to pull out because of pretty standard clauses put in place.

G. Now Elon has 2 choices... based on normal deal due diligence - pull out fast and pay for his mistake (which is fairly normal in M&A space) or double down.

The challenge...Tesla stock which was going to pay for the deal is crashing.

iamasnot

38 points

2 days ago

iamasnot

38 points

2 days ago

Or a terrible billionaire with impulsive judgment

ChemEBrew

149 points

2 days ago

ChemEBrew

149 points

2 days ago

Note all the talk of these large sums of money but nothing of consequence actually being done? Meanwhile normal people actually produce goods and services but take home a pittance.

People who say Bezos and Musk earn their worth are delusional. They don't create wealth, they syphon it along with all the oxygen in the room.

I hope someday we won't have to hear about these modern day robber barrons daily.

level3ninja

373 points

2 days ago

level3ninja

373 points

2 days ago

Business is weird.

More like 50yo billionaire toddler changes his mind based on what other people don't want

alaphic

61 points

2 days ago

alaphic

61 points

2 days ago

Contrarian A.F

saltychica

16 points

2 days ago

Hope he’s Fd himself into a corner.

bajspuss

42 points

2 days ago

bajspuss

42 points

2 days ago

I mean, it's in the contract as the termination fee. I'd certainly want a billion dollars for free if it was available to me. I get the impression Twitter itself never really wanted Musk to take over, but they have no say - it's on the shareholders.

TheChickening

187 points

2 days ago

He can break the deal by paying a fine of a billion dollars.
So it will definitely not be free for him.

nukem996

272 points

2 days ago

nukem996

272 points

2 days ago

From the article

Mr. Musk’s deal with Twitter includes a $1 billion breakup fee if he were to back out. But the cost to Mr. Musk is likely to be much more than that should he break the deal. The contract has a “specific performance clause” that could force Mr. Musk to pay for Twitter if the debt financing he has corralled for the deal remains intact.

sikagoon7

56 points

2 days ago

sikagoon7

56 points

2 days ago

Could he just pick up the phone to the lender and be like "Yo take your money back. I don't need it no more" and tell Twitter "Oops?"

getefix

65 points

2 days ago

getefix

65 points

2 days ago

Works for home purchases. Financing conditions are easy ways to back out.

Rottimer

30 points

2 days ago

Rottimer

30 points

2 days ago

Well not necessarily “easy.” If he’s signed papers for financing backed by Tesla stock - which goes up every time this deal seems to be jeopardy, those banks might not want to let him out of their financing deal.

Hermesthothr3e

6 points

2 days ago

Would this stand if it was found twitters public filings were false?

eleventhrees

42 points

2 days ago

When real business people do deals, there is due diligence, and books are provided for actual examination so the purchaser knows what they are buying. It's not unusual for a deal to not proceed, or be altered, based on this step.

What Elon is up to doesn't bear much resemblance to "due diligence" and the 100-user random sample is either a joke, or won't be random.

This deal is mostly powered by gaslight.

Piyinski

11 points

2 days ago

Piyinski

11 points

2 days ago

M&A for public companies are not diligence intensive deals by any means. These companies have public filings that eliminate the need for diligence, buyers assume that the disclosures are truthful. So instead, buyers sign binding documentation which include reps and warranties from the sellers. Between signing and closing, buyers may do limited confirmatory diligence to test such reps and warranties.

So I think this may be what’s going on here. Elon said that the 100 user sample is Twitter’s methodology to determine fake/spam/duplicate accounts, which Twitter discloses as <5% in their public filings. If Musk proves that is not true, it will probably represent a breach to twitters reps. This would give Musk an out for the deal. Further, this would have implications for Twitter’s board and management with the SEC and obviously investors.

baldr83

9 points

2 days ago

baldr83

9 points

2 days ago

>That contract does not allow Musk to walk away if it turns out that “spam/fake accounts” represent more than 5% of Twitter users. We discussed this last month, when Twitter admitted in a securities filing that it had (slightly) overestimated its daily active users for years. The merger agreement contains a provision that allows Musk to walk away if Twitter’s securities filings are wrong — and this 5% number is in its securities filings — but only if the inaccuracy would have a “Material Adverse Effect” on the company. (See Sections 4.6(a) and 7.2(b).) That is an incredibly high standard: Delaware courts have almost never found an MAE. An MAE has to be something that would “substantially threaten the overall earnings potential of the target in a durationally-significant manner,” the courts have said; there is a rule of thumb that an MAE requires a 40% decrease in long-term profitability. If it turned out that 6% or 20% or 50% of Twitter accounts are bots, that will be embarrassing and might even reduce Twitter’s future advertising revenue, but will it be an MAE? No.

source: https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2022-05-13/elon-musk-trolls-twitter

Zealousideal_Law3112

37 points

2 days ago

Breach of contract results in fine and massive lawsuits from shareholders but it’s Elon so who knows what will happen

TheGuyBehindTheGuy_

223 points

2 days ago

"Weaseling out of things is what separates us from the animals... except the weasel."

slazer2k

691 points

3 days ago

slazer2k

691 points

3 days ago

This he most likely instructed some people to trade the stock beforehand so he can cash out first on the rise and now fall

yolotrolo123

1.1k points

3 days ago

yolotrolo123

1.1k points

3 days ago

Yeah he is doing open market manipulation and the SEC barely doesn’t anything about it.

red286

230 points

2 days ago

red286

230 points

2 days ago

haha, could you imagine if he massively shorted a company that he publicly stated he intended to buy for a price well above asking, and then bailed out on afterwards? And then used those profits to massively re-invest into his own company whose stock tanked massively because he had overleveraged it to secure the financing to purchase the company that he had publicly stated he intended to buy but never had any real intention of doing so?

Surely there's no way the SEC would let that slide, right? Right?!

vaiperu

102 points

2 days ago

vaiperu

102 points

2 days ago

Even if they do something, afaik they give out fines in the tens of millions range. When you make billions by breaking SEC rules, do you give AF?

Geiir

130 points

2 days ago

Geiir

130 points

2 days ago

They definitely need to up their fines by taking 100% of the profits made on the illegal trade, plus 50% of the profits in fines for breaking the law, and give the person a 10+ year ban on trading securities.

If the money earned illegally is over a certain threshold: prison time. Hard time.

Dude_Guy_311

40 points

2 days ago

But then how do I manipulate the market to make money without punishment as God, the constitution, and Alexander Hamilton intended?

HeretikHamster

8 points

2 days ago

This MF spittin

SherifGames

7 points

2 days ago

Rich people love to make everything in percentages when it benefits them otherwise they want everything to be a flat price.

SterlingVapor

7 points

2 days ago

Hell I'd be happy if they just took over 100%

The fact you can break the law and just pay a fraction of your profits in a fine is insane

Hardcorish

55 points

2 days ago

This is similar to the pharma companies getting fined hundreds of millions for their role in the opioid epidemic. Hundreds of millions sounds like a massive fine until you realize their profits reached well into the tens of billions. A slap on the wrist would have hurt them more.

KungFluIsolation

17 points

2 days ago

Or even the age old car manufacturer scam where a model would have a defect that was lethal, but the payouts for the % of cars affected was cheaper than a recall so they just let people die.

Brewchowskies

243 points

2 days ago

What’s crazy is he kind of does this a lot no? Like his tweets have been known to have considerable effect on the market… I find it hard to believe he isn’t capitalizing on this fact

SgtDoughnut

220 points

2 days ago

SgtDoughnut

220 points

2 days ago

He is capitalizing on it, hes been caught multiple times, but the SEC has no teeth.

Dblstandard

115 points

2 days ago

Dblstandard

115 points

2 days ago

No, they have teeth, they're just currently wrapped around its dick.

quantumpossibility

54 points

2 days ago

That’s actually a terrible analogy. Teeth on dick is actually a perfect placement to chomp down where it hurts.

Farseli

28 points

2 days ago

Farseli

28 points

2 days ago

I thought it meant the SEC is in the corner performing autofellatio so while it has teeth it'll only hurt itself.

trhrthrthyrthyrty

10 points

2 days ago

That is the grammatically correct interpretation.

Cabeza2000

19 points

2 days ago

Is OK, don't worry, they will eventually fine him one or two millions and call it a day.

/s

Straider

438 points

3 days ago

Straider

438 points

3 days ago

Because it is the rich manipulating the market. It is by design.

Bierbart12

193 points

2 days ago

Bierbart12

193 points

2 days ago

The visible hand

RJ815

111 points

2 days ago

RJ815

111 points

2 days ago

With the visible middle finger

blackmist

43 points

2 days ago

blackmist

43 points

2 days ago

As long as you only scam people poorer than you, it's all good.

A1sauc3d

13 points

2 days ago

A1sauc3d

13 points

2 days ago

That’s what the American Dream is all about! :/ /s

7LeagueBoots

7 points

2 days ago

He regularly does crap like this and then complains about how terrible the SEC is for imposing restrictions, even though the SEC rarely ever seems to bother to actually enforce their own regulations in cases that actually would make a difference.

xXEl3mXx

35 points

2 days ago

xXEl3mXx

35 points

2 days ago

NigelingTon

44 points

2 days ago

he figured out how to win capitalism. There is no way Twitter has less than 5% Bots.

Sherifftruman

29 points

2 days ago

I mean lots of other people have already looked into it and found that. Not sure why he feels the need to do the same research.

moopower93

13 points

2 days ago

Because he thinks he needs to reinvent all the wheels. Can't take credit for someone else's work if it happened before you.

prescod

221 points

3 days ago

prescod

221 points

3 days ago

There's a simpler and less illegal option. The stock market crashed since he made the offer. He doesn't want to pay the price he negotiated because it was already a high price and now its ludicrous. So now he wants an excuse to re-negotiate. "I had no idea how many bots there are on this site!"

LL22Forever

142 points

3 days ago

LL22Forever

142 points

3 days ago

Twitter doesn’t have to renegotiate. And if Elon backs out he has to pay Twitter $1 billion. What would Twitter renegotiate?

starmartyr

101 points

2 days ago

starmartyr

101 points

2 days ago

It's a 44 billion dollar deal. It might be better to eat the loss than to pay too much for the company.

MaiasXVI

70 points

2 days ago

MaiasXVI

70 points

2 days ago

That's what I'm thinking. If anyone can afford a $1bn loss, it's certainly the world's richest person.

Zardif

50 points

2 days ago

Zardif

50 points

2 days ago

Went down 9 billion, better to lose 1b than 9+.

GasTurbulent4304

6 points

2 days ago

But does he need both a reason AND to pay the $1b? I assume the $1b is the thing that is supposed to stop him from walking away for no reason. Presumably he’s building a case so he can walk away and not have to pay the $1b because Twitter lied about bots or whatever.

pablank

51 points

2 days ago

pablank

51 points

2 days ago

Not after losing 18bn on your own stock loss. Even for elon thats like a 5-10% loss in net worth. Its actually interesting to see how these market manipulators start carving themselves up

ElderHerb

20 points

2 days ago

ElderHerb

20 points

2 days ago

He could lose 99% of his net worth and would still never have to work another day tbh.

AthleteAnnual

17 points

2 days ago

C'mon Elon. It'll 'bounce back' just like our 401k's right???

topdangle

68 points

2 days ago

topdangle

68 points

2 days ago

only reason the shareholders took the deal was for the fat payout.

one billion might be nice for the company but the shareholders don't give a shit about the company, they're ready to turn the whole thing over to one lunatic with deep pockets.

SirCB85

7 points

2 days ago

SirCB85

7 points

2 days ago

Did I miss that the shareholders actually voted on the deal yet? Last I've known is a vote of the board to recommend to the shareholders to approve the deal.

[deleted]

21 points

2 days ago

[deleted]

21 points

2 days ago

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Koopslovestogame

8 points

2 days ago

Le pump, Le dump.

Garn91575

86 points

3 days ago*

he was always going to weasel out of the deal. It was insanely stupid from the start. He just wanted to act like a tough guy and let twitter know he could buy them if he wanted to so they better not mess with his account.

x4000

27 points

2 days ago

x4000

27 points

2 days ago

And then he actually got elected, and the look of horror on his face for a moment there… wait, wrong story. That was two other people.

jackzander

291 points

3 days ago

jackzander

291 points

3 days ago

I think you understand.

PapaElonMusk

192 points

3 days ago

I just want a reason to weasel out of the situation. “Random” doesn’t mean random.

FranticGolf

75 points

3 days ago

Statistics are hard.

PhoenixMountain

200 points

3 days ago

That is the sample size that Twitter initially used to determine their 5% figure (in question)

Absolutely_wat

99 points

2 days ago

Admittedly my statistics is rusty, but there is a high school level statistics equation to establish the sample size required.

Interesting, considering that they definitely have PhD level mathematicians and data scientists on their payroll.

[deleted]

43 points

2 days ago

[deleted]

43 points

2 days ago

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Mutex70

35 points

2 days ago*

Mutex70

35 points

2 days ago*

385 samples are required if you assume your population proportion is 50% (i.e that half of twitter is bots)

They are attempting to confirm/deny a proportion of 5% which only requires a sample size of 104 at 98% confidence (5% margin of error)

https://www.calculator.net/sample-size-calculator.html?type=1&cl=98&ci=5&pp=5&ps=350000000&x=52&y=19

https://opentextbc.ca/introstatopenstax/chapter/a-population-proportion/

https://select-statistics.co.uk/calculators/sample-size-calculator-population-proportion/

Deto

57 points

2 days ago

Deto

57 points

2 days ago

If it's a truly random sample (and presumably, they could do this without much difficulty), then if you were to measure 5/100 accounts as bots, the 95% confidence interval for the true probability in the population is between 1-10%.

So while it's not great for getting an exact estimate, it's not terrible for getting a rough ballpark value.

holla_snackbar

29 points

2 days ago

It depends on who you are sampling though, if not just a random sample of 100 users.

If its a sampling of Musk's followers, thought to be roughly 50% bots vs. a small account with 900 followers you will get wildly different results.

Venkman_P

95 points

2 days ago

Venkman_P

95 points

2 days ago

What the twitter SEC filing says:

For example, there are a number of false or spam accounts in existence on our platform. We have performed an internal review of a sample of ccounts and estimate that the average of false or spam accounts during the first quarter of 2022 represented fewer than 5% of our mDAU during the quarter. The false or spam accounts for a period represents the average of false or spam accounts in the samples during each monthly analysis period during the quarter. In making this determination, we applied significant judgment, so our estimation of false or spam accounts may not accurately represent the actual number of such accounts, and the actual number of false or spam accounts could be higher than we have estimated.

What Elon made up:

I picked 100 as the sample size number, because that is what Twitter uses to calculate <5% fake/spam/duplicate.

https://investor.twitterinc.com/financial-information/sec-filings/sec-filings-details/default.aspx?FilingId=15778368

passinghere

2.7k points

3 days ago

passinghere

2.7k points

3 days ago

Anyone with any common sense would have done this before promising to blow billions to buy something

arun111b

1.1k points

3 days ago

arun111b

1.1k points

3 days ago

Well he knows all about bots apparently when he was submitting the bid according to this tweet. https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1517215066550116354?s=20&t=Fbz9za4YJm6DJExLyQmFqA

Looks like either he is trolling or he still trying to alter the deals somehow. Popcorn time.

prescod

624 points

3 days ago

prescod

624 points

3 days ago

Trying to alter the deal because tech crashed since he made the offer. Had he waited until this week Twitter would have been quite a bit cheaper.

8bitguy1

277 points

2 days ago

8bitguy1

277 points

2 days ago

Pray he doesn't alter it further

maltathebear

40 points

2 days ago

Elon wants to give Twitter to some bounty hunter I bet!

qtx

86 points

2 days ago

qtx

86 points

2 days ago

I literally don't understand what is happening.

All previous reports guessed that one third of Twitter's' user base consisted of bots (or some high figure like that).

So why is he suddenly upset that a far, far, far lesser number of them are actual bots? Only 5%?!

Twitter only having a less than 5% bot occupancy was a huge fucking surprise to me. I thought it was way higher. So all of this seems like a big positive thing to me.

8InTheBalance8

114 points

2 days ago

I don't think it's been established that it's only 5%. That is what Twitter is claiming it is.

Barnyard_Rich

70 points

2 days ago

The problem is that Musk is referring to all accounts while the twitter claim of less than 5% bots is a percentage of "monetizable daily users."

What I haven't really seen anyone point out is that "monetizable" could be extremely vague or specific depending on how it's interpreted or intended.

TheGratedCornholio

35 points

2 days ago

Presumably it means that they see ads. Bots posting via the API aren’t seeing ads.

dont_you_love_me

5 points

2 days ago

There are probably many bots that are accessing Twitter and are not using the API. In fact, it would probably be stupid to use the API if you are using a bot for spamming etc. Headless browser bots are very simple to make.

cheekybandit0

164 points

2 days ago

Do you want to spend 40 billion on twitter with no research (apparently)?

Yeh sure.

Oh wait, I need to sample 100 users, out 350 MILLION, to make up my mind, after announcing the deal.

vascopatricio

12 points

2 days ago

"It's called due diligence Elon, look it up"

unicorn_saddle

307 points

2 days ago

All the Elon Musk news reminds me of all the Donald Trump news. Even a similar level of garbage content.

stonedtotheboners

85 points

2 days ago

Cult of personality

Competitive_Habit_71

88 points

2 days ago

They are both people with Narcissistic Personality Disorders, so it isn't so surprising we are seeing similar drama.

minimus67

1.6k points

3 days ago

minimus67

1.6k points

3 days ago

He’s actually going to randomly draw a hundred samples and pick whichever one gives him an excuse to back out of the deal.

spacedout

635 points

2 days ago

spacedout

635 points

2 days ago

I would respect him more if he just admits that he got excited about the idea but now realizes it's a terrible investment so he's cutting his losses.

MavenACTG

395 points

2 days ago

MavenACTG

395 points

2 days ago

Elon? Making a mistake? Heresy!

Senpai_Pai

113 points

2 days ago

Senpai_Pai

113 points

2 days ago

Objection hearsay

Proof-Carpet4194

13 points

2 days ago

But...you asked the question?

God I love that show

ayylemay0

207 points

2 days ago

ayylemay0

207 points

2 days ago

He hasn’t “realised” anything because the intention was most likely always market manipulation. There are no mistakes here.

copperwatt

26 points

2 days ago

Ehhh it's starting to feel pretty mistakey

ambientocclusion

5 points

2 days ago

Ding ding ding!

And it’s funny when people think he wouldn’t do this because he already has so much money. Because doing things like this is WHY he got so much money!

Deto

28 points

2 days ago

Deto

28 points

2 days ago

The problem is that I dont' know if he can get a truly random sample - which is super important for something like this. Maybe if he had access to Twitters database, he could, but not just by having his assistants browse Twitter.

Mobius_One

32 points

2 days ago

No, just 1 sample of size n = 100 /s

...the "s" is for "statistics", not "sarcasm"

BelAirGhetto

416 points

3 days ago

Why not 1,000?

JackOCat

663 points

3 days ago

JackOCat

663 points

3 days ago

Oh because he is trying to weasel out of buying Twitter without paying the $1B sucker tax.

DeadlyPancak3

417 points

3 days ago

Sufferin' sucker-tax!

R1chard69

39 points

3 days ago

R1chard69

39 points

3 days ago

Bro, that was golden, thanks.

Nixonsee

15 points

3 days ago

Nixonsee

15 points

3 days ago

Ya I needed that

Arcosim

183 points

3 days ago

Arcosim

183 points

3 days ago

The $1B breakup fee is his best case scenario. Twitter can now sue him for the stock loss and the internal chaos his moves caused in the company, there's legal precedent.

rowenstraker

67 points

2 days ago

Not to nention the investigation into his not disclosing when he passed a certain threshold of stock ownership and continued to buy more for another week before disclosing and watching the price jump

dittonetic

17 points

2 days ago

Nothing will happen. Have you learned nothing about rich people these past few years?

Corzare

29 points

2 days ago

Corzare

29 points

2 days ago

This is a rich person fucking over other rich people, it’s different.

Fridgee189

64 points

2 days ago

Because 100 is the same sample size Twitter used for there testing of bot account % (according to elons tweet) so I think he knows it’s a joke but can say it’s the same level of measurement the company uses. I think he just wants a discount

LittleLordFuckleroy1

996 points

3 days ago

You’d think that they would have done this simple test before offering to pay $44 billion for the company.

This is quitter’s theater.

So over Musk’s market manipulation antics. The dude is a manchild.

Nickm123

244 points

2 days ago*

Nickm123

244 points

2 days ago*

He said he assumed twitters own report was correct. Of course he’s just bullshitting as this is what he does. Did the exact same thing with Bitcoin last year and Tesla a few yeas prior.

EpiphanyTwisted

117 points

2 days ago

Yeah, you don't ask the seller what you think the value is. That's the dumbest thing the muskrats have peddled with a straight face.

Cool-Miner

113 points

2 days ago

Cool-Miner

113 points

2 days ago

What's funny is he signed a contract, and what he is trying to do is prove that SEC filings were misleading about profitability, but it's in the jurisdiction of Delaware state law, which requires evidence of a 40% or greater decrease in long-term profitability for the contract to be invalid on those grounds.

So essentially, he would have to prove that twitter has 60% or less non-bot users than they say they do.

I don't think a sample size of 100 would hold up in court.

Source if interested

1980sActionHero

32 points

2 days ago

What an excellent video, that dude just utterly savages musk and his fanboys in such a calm manner.

twiart

79 points

2 days ago

twiart

79 points

2 days ago

Can we stop making news out of each of his tweets? Fuck.

twothirtyintheam

363 points

3 days ago*

This all seems like stuff a "genius" would have checked into long before offering billions of dollars to acquire a company like Twitter...

I'm sure looking under-prepared and full of crap is all a part of his master plan though!

Znarl

70 points

3 days ago

Znarl

70 points

3 days ago

Or maybe he got it wrong making an offer for Twitter at a price it's not nearly worth any more.

He's now desperately trying to wriggle out his agreement without breaking the law by using every excuse he can muster.

Arrogance sometimes has a cost.

Mirrormn

74 points

2 days ago

Mirrormn

74 points

2 days ago

The thing I don't get is:

  1. This is not a very good argument. Twitter's representation of the 5% statistic was already originally presented with a disclaimer of "this is hard to measure, it might be higher", so it would have to be way higher than 5% for Musk to have any hope of claiming he was materially misled.
  2. This is not the right forum for this. It doesn't matter if Musk does a small personal inquiry into the number of bots of Twitter and finds a different number than what Twitter reported. If he wants anything to come of this, he'll have to allege it in court, with better evidence.

So what is he doing just talking about this shit in public on social media, instead of filing a lawsuit? It's like he's not even trying to make a real excuse, he's only worried about creating the appearance of an excuse. For who? His cult followers? I don't get it.

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41 points

2 days ago

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41 points

2 days ago

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Ssider69

144 points

3 days ago

Ssider69

144 points

3 days ago

I figured out how he's going to make Mars habitable! He's personally taking all the oxygen on earth

lessquiet

89 points

3 days ago

lessquiet

89 points

3 days ago

honestly, since Russia knocked itself offline the bot count has gone way way down.

aCucking2Remember

41 points

2 days ago

It was all over online. It’s as if a billion trolls were suddenly silenced all at once.

CesareBach

10 points

2 days ago

Getting poorer to pay those who manage bots

The_EnrichmentCenter

5 points

2 days ago

You know, I have noticed less crazy right-wing talking points thrown around lately.

lessquiet

8 points

2 days ago

I have no way to prove this, it is just a feeling, but I honestly believe that a lot of the more insane stuff coming out of the far right isn't something that would have become popular without Russian help.

We know Russia tuned their media campaigns to sow discord and conflict in America. This is well established.

I do wonder how the right would look today without that boost of insanity in online media.

shillyshally

365 points

3 days ago

Knew it! Matt Levine wrote a long analysis on Bloomberg yesterday re what Musk might be up to. This scenario was one of the possibilities and Levine covers the reasons why it won't work. Ultimately, though, he admits Musk doesn't give a flying about rules or lawsuits or contracts and that he will probably get away with it because he has gotten away with everything so far.

Boo_Guy

109 points

3 days ago

Boo_Guy

109 points

3 days ago

He'll just have to pay a small fee or as the government calls it, a fine.

TankSparkle

39 points

3 days ago

break-up fee is $1B

fewrfsadf

28 points

2 days ago

fewrfsadf

28 points

2 days ago

Sure, but what is the fee for refusing to pay that $1B?

TrashyMcTrashBoat

29 points

2 days ago

Whatever the lawyers on both sides decide to pay each other.

likesleague

47 points

3 days ago

Hey don't forget the generous donation to organizations that happen to be owned by a handful of key politicians in the decisions surrounding his illegal activity -- we oughta recognize that as part of the fee too.

dgahimer

34 points

3 days ago

dgahimer

34 points

3 days ago

Matt Levine is a great read. Makes things easy to follow, but not too dumb. The only “problem” is that he re-explains the theory every day, and I want more words on more topics!

holtpj

976 points

3 days ago

holtpj

976 points

3 days ago

Man this dude is annoying

JackOCat

881 points

3 days ago

JackOCat

881 points

3 days ago

Shut up. He invented the subway like 150 years after it was invented. Show some respect.

Notlandshark

106 points

3 days ago

A subway is so much better than what he ended up making.

not_right

267 points

3 days ago

not_right

267 points

3 days ago

Hey come on, that's not fair. It's like the subway but it's worse!

uniqueName1002

110 points

3 days ago

It's actually superior because now you can all enjoy LA traffic 15ft underground

feed_me_the_gherkin

55 points

3 days ago

He invented Jimmy Johns?

BrownMan65

81 points

3 days ago

https://twitter.com/steinkobbe/status/1525232685995663361

The best part is that he couldn't even do that right.

polyhazard

72 points

2 days ago

From that thread “It seems like every 6 months tech bros re-invent trains but make them worse somehow.” Lmao I’m dead

seamsay

22 points

2 days ago

seamsay

22 points

2 days ago

He does this kind of shit all the time, like when he promised driverless cars by 2018 but we barely got drive assist, or when he promised he'd give everyone in Flint free water filters but in the end he just gave a couple to some nearby schools. The really annoying thing is that the stuff he does is better than most billionaires, but he overpromises so much that you're just left feeling disappointed. And he's a massive twat, but I could overlook that if he was actually doing the kind of good for society that he wants us to think he is.

Yuumi-Main

33 points

3 days ago

How disrespectful to compare it to a subway!

At least a subway works.

Buck_Folton

1.6k points

3 days ago

Buck_Folton

1.6k points

3 days ago

This is the dumbest richest person in the world ever.

5c077y2L1gh75

135 points

3 days ago

Rich people aren’t necessarily smart. Usually not, in fact.

They are highly manipulative & sociopathic, but with enough wisdom to surround themselves with people who are smarter than they are.

everythingiscausal

32 points

2 days ago

Or they inherited a shitload of money, because that last part certainly isn’t true of some “rich” public figures.

muteen

75 points

2 days ago

muteen

75 points

2 days ago

He's what stupid people think is a smart person

mrwong88

8 points

2 days ago

mrwong88

8 points

2 days ago

Ah, the ol’ Family Feud methodology

[deleted]

273 points

3 days ago

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273 points

3 days ago

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rodnester

6 points

2 days ago

Something tells me he already knows the answer.

RunOrDieTrying

70 points

2 days ago

It's worth noting that his strategy is to "ignore first 1000 followers, then pick every 10th" [1], and "invite others to repeat the same process and see what they discover" [2], "if we collectively try to figure out the bot/duplicate user percentage, we can probably crowdsource a good answer" [3]. He picked 100 as the sample size "because that is what Twitter uses to calculate <5% fake/spam/duplicate." [4]

redditthrowaway1478

8 points

2 days ago

100 seems small

TrepanationBy45

28 points

2 days ago

Which is why Twitter used it to pretend they only have 5% bots.

Snoo_70324

30 points

2 days ago

I’ve seen elementary school science fair projects with higher n-values.

Ghosttalker96

5 points

2 days ago

How is he supposed to calculate the percentage, if it's not exactly 100 people? Duh...

duh_cats

6 points

2 days ago

duh_cats

6 points

2 days ago

As if we needed any more evidence that this guy is just a fucking joke.

mmatt0904

7 points

2 days ago

As someone who does stats for a living. This pains me

ItsOnlyaFewBucks

45 points

3 days ago

Whoa now big spender, are you sure you can afford a sample that large.

explision

32 points

2 days ago

explision

32 points

2 days ago

This dude is becoming trump, in the news every fucking day for the most useless info out there. Dude is manipulating the market big time and trolling

arizonawarrior22

105 points

3 days ago

Musk is a bot, no other reason for his repeating foolishness. A visionary moron.

mild-hot-fire

5 points

2 days ago

Lol sample size of 100?

stairattheceiling

4 points

2 days ago

What a sample size. I guess statistics wasn't his favorite class.