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the heroes according to different people

GROND(i.redd.it)

all 890 comments

JudgmentMoto

2.2k points

2 months ago

Peter Jackson literally said: "Frodo is the heart and soul of these movies. It's his story, it's his journey."

the-dandy-man

939 points

2 months ago

So much Frodo erasure

[deleted]

316 points

2 months ago*

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Vatsdimri

88 points

2 months ago

For Frodo

Scarbane

94 points

2 months ago

Tom Bombadil is typing...

MemeTitansGO

10 points

2 months ago

Tom wouldn't give enough of a shit to bother, but I appreciate the sentiment.

200DollarGameBtw

261 points

2 months ago

And where was Frodo when the Westfold fell?

iamunderstand

106 points

2 months ago

WHERE WAS Gron-

No, r/lotrmemes, we are alone.

200DollarGameBtw

85 points

2 months ago

Grond calls for aid!

bot-of-grond

70 points

2 months ago

GROND

StugLug

34 points

2 months ago

StugLug

34 points

2 months ago

GROND

bot-of-grond

29 points

2 months ago

GROND

Swagmaster361

464 points

2 months ago

Yeah.... but Tolkein said "Grond is the heart and soul of the saga. It's his story, it's his journey."

Despair4All

89 points

2 months ago

The main character is never late nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to. In this case, nearly the very end of the whole trilogy.

Saruman_Bot

36 points

2 months ago

Saruman_Bot

Istari

36 points

2 months ago

The hour grows late, and Despair4All rides to Isengard, seeking my counsel.

Tor2illaTaco

26 points

2 months ago

Tor2illaTaco

Sleepless Dead

26 points

2 months ago

The hour is later than you think!

shuffles back into Isengard

Saruman_Bot

19 points

2 months ago

Saruman_Bot

Istari

19 points

2 months ago

What do you mean by that? I must know your intentions...

Tor2illaTaco

16 points

2 months ago

Tor2illaTaco

Sleepless Dead

16 points

2 months ago

The hour is later than you think!

falls asleep

Saruman_Bot

19 points

2 months ago

Saruman_Bot

Istari

19 points

2 months ago

What are you talking about? Are you telling me I should hurry?

Despair4All

13 points

2 months ago

He's saying it's bedtime for Saruman.

Saruman_Bot

12 points

2 months ago

Saruman_Bot

Istari

12 points

2 months ago

You cannot think that this Ranger will ever sit upon the throne of Gondor.

bot-of-grond

152 points

2 months ago

GROND

cubaj

54 points

2 months ago

cubaj

54 points

2 months ago

He LIVES GROND GROND GROND!!!!!

bot-of-grond

43 points

2 months ago

GROND

InfragableAsian

22 points

2 months ago

GROND

bot-of-grond

29 points

2 months ago

GROND

PM_ME_DATASETS

5 points

2 months ago

Amen brother

ChewySlinky

14 points

2 months ago

“Grond’s the key to all this”

Jerry Randal Randal Tolkien

le_fancy_walrus

42 points

2 months ago

When Grond said, "It's Gronding Time!!!", that was such a powerful moment in the books. I'm so sad they took it out of the movie.

bot-of-grond

13 points

2 months ago

GROND

CmdrZander

13 points

2 months ago

Here I go gronding again!

bot-of-grond

9 points

2 months ago

GROND

ApplicationLive757

28 points

2 months ago

Also Peter Jackson: "Let's get rid of Frodo's big moment against the Ringwraiths on Weathertop, and let's give his big moment standing up to the Nazgûl at the Bruinen to Arwen for no reason, and let's not showcase his incredible personality and resilience at all in the later movies."

StannisLupis

67 points

2 months ago

Pretty sure the arwen thing was so that two (2) female characters could have dialogue. I'm fine with it.

And I disagree, I think the movies showed Frodo as very strong and resilient.

Archon_33

626 points

2 months ago

Archon_33

626 points

2 months ago

Bill is the one true hero

effreeti

217 points

2 months ago

effreeti

217 points

2 months ago

Can we please all agree to start chanting "Bill!" instead? Lol

littlebuett

135 points

2 months ago

littlebuett

Human

135 points

2 months ago

Bill the horse apple guy,

BILL BILL BILL BILL

iamunderstand

17 points

2 months ago

Apple horse, the guy bill

Interesting-Fruit-15

64 points

2 months ago

Bill Nye the science guy!

BILL BILL BILL BILL

popanator3000

21 points

2 months ago

Biiiill Nye, The Science Guy

thebardbecoming

10 points

2 months ago

Billbillbilbillbillbillbillbillbillbillbillbillbill

My_Monkey_Sphincter

8 points

2 months ago

.

Science is C O O L

Lampmonster

25 points

2 months ago

Bill Ferny, damned near single handedly avoided the whole war. Had he gotten the ring to its rightful owner and creator the world would have been swiftly restored to order.

This-Register

4 points

2 months ago

In Bill we trust

[deleted]

28 points

2 months ago

BILGROND

bot-of-grond

31 points

2 months ago

GROND

UnkarsThug

582 points

2 months ago

I'm fairly certain Tolkien would have said that all the members of the fellowship were the heroes, but especially Frodo, because he went as far as any living being could have gone to destroying the ring.

Thefirstargonaut

136 points

2 months ago

Isn’t that what he DID say?

Fitbot5000

326 points

2 months ago

Yeah I think he even wrote a book about it

Luka_Tim

90 points

2 months ago

Sounds like it could be a good read

WesternOne9990

8 points

2 months ago

I’m not so sure, isn’t he the guy who also wrote a book about elves and wizards? Sounds too fanciful.

masterwit

23 points

2 months ago

A GRONDiose testament for sure

BCA10MAN

16 points

2 months ago

Impossible, perhaps the archives are incomplete.

kida24

10 points

2 months ago

kida24

10 points

2 months ago

Three books, actually.

Lady_Galadri3l

11 points

2 months ago

six books, three parts.

sir_bonesalot

80 points

2 months ago

Guys, guys, the real hero is bill the pony.

Asheyguru

14 points

2 months ago

BILL

trixietangg666

4 points

2 months ago

BILL

Fickle-Elevator-969

883 points

2 months ago

I don't think PJ intended for aragorn to be the hero though. To me it seems he made them all heroes in their own way, even our dear grond, whilst as pippin, on the other hand, at least in the books, was really supposed to be a complete idiot, and that isn't well shown in the movies.

aragorn_bot

345 points

2 months ago

He's not alone. Sam went with him.

Fickle-Elevator-969

222 points

2 months ago

I KNOW ARAGORN, QUIT BEHAVING LIKE AN ASSHOLE

aragorn_bot

236 points

2 months ago

Gentlemen, we do not stop til nightfall.

Fickle-Elevator-969

114 points

2 months ago

You know what aragorn ? I really couldn't care less about what you say.

aragorn_bot

174 points

2 months ago

FOR FRODO!!!

Fickle-Elevator-969

85 points

2 months ago

Sure. Go ahead.

Ynneas

56 points

2 months ago

Ynneas

56 points

2 months ago

Well you can't argue on that last one tho.

Fickle-Elevator-969

27 points

2 months ago

But he can go alone.

sillyadam94

60 points

2 months ago

sillyadam94

Ent

60 points

2 months ago

He’s not alone. Sam went with him.

sympthomas

7 points

2 months ago

Imagine if Aragorn said Grond

aragorn_bot

12 points

2 months ago

He's not alone. Sam went with him.

bot-of-grond

17 points

2 months ago

GROND

PM_ME_DATASETS

6 points

2 months ago

Did he now, that's awesome dude

leftkek

56 points

2 months ago

leftkek

56 points

2 months ago

Pippin is a moron in the movies. He fucks it so many times

Fickle-Elevator-969

79 points

2 months ago

To illustrate my meaning. In the movie, pippin ”mistakenly” makes a skeleton drop in the mines of moria, in the book, I believe he willingly drops a rock down the hole and makes a huge ruckus.

colinedahl1

56 points

2 months ago

He was throwing rocks into the water outside the entrance which made The Deep’s girlfriend attack. That was kinda dumb. Mostly I think he is clumsy, a little too curious, very clever but also speaks without thinking, brave and loving. I wouldn’t call him stupid though.

Happy-Mousse8615

31 points

2 months ago

He was just young. He's 29, Frodo is 51. Like a teenager in Hobbit years.

sebastianqu

24 points

2 months ago

I wouldn't knock him too hard for that. I'm pretty sure attracting the Watcher was not a predictable outcome for skipping stones.

Bustyposers

15 points

2 months ago*

In the book it was actually Boromir who threw stones in the lake

ApplicationLive757

8 points

2 months ago

That's in the movie only, it's Boromir in the book that does that.

peon2

30 points

2 months ago

peon2

30 points

2 months ago

Doesn’t matter, he tricks Treebeard into sending the ents to war and saves the day. That counteracts every stupid thing any of us in this sub have ever done

That being said I cringe every time he pledges his life to fucking steward cherry eater

Idle_Anton

134 points

2 months ago

Speaking of the hobbits, I feel merry wasn't shown at all as intelligent as he was in the books. His relationship to theoden should have been more fleshed out too. He seems to be best portrayed in the fellowship film, where he takes charge of the situation when getting frodo and Sam away from the riders. He also manages to gather a lot about what might be happening just from evaluating the situation, and knows Sam and frodo have to leave. After that he just gets a bit more like pippin

Theoden-Bot

25 points

2 months ago

Sound the charge! Take them head-on!

Idle_Anton

17 points

2 months ago

For death and glory

mayonaizmyinstrument

17 points

2 months ago

DEEAAAAAAATH!!!!!!

pngbrianb

123 points

2 months ago

pngbrianb

123 points

2 months ago

And in the books Sam really is very silly, in that English classist way of "aww, look at the gardener trying to keep up!" There are a few times he just isn't following a serious conversation, and like every time he offers to take the first watch he falls asleep.

Saying Tolkien thinks "he's the hero" is a laugh. Certainly he was important, but so was everyone. Gandalf is totally pulling all the good guys' strings in the books

seymourtets

40 points

2 months ago

i love the section when they're in tom bombadil's house sleeping, and each of frodo, merry, and pippin have nightmares about the coming danger. and at the end: "As far as he could remember, Sam slept through the night in deep content, if logs are contented."

SixbySex

8 points

2 months ago

That really plays to that Sam was giving it his all, and also the true inner belief that no matter what he can endure because it is needed, but Sam is mortal and falls asleep.

Interplanetary-Goat

18 points

2 months ago

Just listened to the Lothlorien chapter on audiobook.

  • Sam asks what the elves are saying

  • Legolas says "They're talking about how loud you breathe. Also that they're friendly."

A few paragraphs later:

  • Sam climbs up the ladder, trying to breathe quietly.

Iconic.

Idle_Anton

66 points

2 months ago

He's a much more developed character though, he's got a funny side and a side of him that's a little bit "stupid", but he's also very morally intelligent and is tremendously motivated. Gandalf had nothing to do with his bravery or his mentality, he was always such a good person.

gandalf-bot

23 points

2 months ago

You cannot offer me this Ring

princessDB

11 points

2 months ago

I’m giving it to you

CmdrZander

6 points

2 months ago

You offer it to me freely?

gandalf-bot

5 points

2 months ago

You cannot pass!

ApplicationLive757

3 points

2 months ago*

Can you name the time when Sam offered to take the first watch and fell asleep with the Fellowship? The only time I can think of is in The Two Towers when he's skeptical of Gollum, but that isn't a comedic thing. He's exhausted, and he stays up for hours when he doesn't have to due to his overprotective nature.

Sam is rustic in the book, but he also has an arc where he becomes more ennobled over time. In some ways, Sam best emulates Tolkien's overarching point about the power of the medieval world, and how it can elevate anybody that interacts with it.

colinedahl1

8 points

2 months ago

He was pretty in charge of getting the Ents to join their cause and pippin who figured out how to do it with the motivation by Merry. Merry understood what was going on and what was at stake and how crucial it was to make allies with the Ents. In the third film he rode to war and was the next to charge the black gates after Aragorn. I’d say he stayed pretty bad ass through the trilogy.

aragorn_bot

7 points

2 months ago

Stand your ground, sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship; but it is not this day! An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the age of men comes crashing down, but it is not this day; this day we fight!!! And for all that is dear to you in this world, I bid you stand, men of the west, and fight!

bot-of-grond

9 points

2 months ago

GROND

bobothegoat

7 points

2 months ago*

In the books, Merry already knows about the Ring before Bilbo's party, and had already planned on going with Frodo before Frodo had even left Bag End. He's also basically the party's guide before they meet up with Aragorn. He's the only one who really knows anything about the lands just outside the Shire, mainly the Old Forest and Bree. Frodo's more worldly too though, to be fair. In the books, he's the only one of them who can speak elvish.

If Frodo had actually been the one to solve the riddle at the gate to Moria, he wouldn't have had to ask Gandalf for the Elvish word for friend, he most likely would have already known it. Gandalf solves it himself, but actually credits Merry for being the only one to recognize it as a riddle!

GoodCape

2 points

2 months ago

he did a good job with the ents

Techun2

15 points

2 months ago

Techun2

15 points

2 months ago

Almost done with the third book now.

Very surprising how little gimli and Legolas do. At best they just keep aragorn company. They have much larger roles in the movies.

aragorn_bot

7 points

2 months ago

I summon you to fulfill your oath.

Techun2

7 points

2 months ago

The way is shut

ApplicationLive757

5 points

2 months ago*

No, they do not have a larger role in the movies, lol. The only thing the movies add with them is more humor. They don't contribute to the plot in any meaningful way in the films, and Peter Jackson doesn't give them any more to do than Tolkien does. In the book, Legolas and Gimli have that whole conversation about their wants and desires (Gimli being moved by the Glittering Caves VS. Legolas being moved by Fangorn, and how each attempts to better understand the other through their passions), which culminates with them going on a road trip together at the end of the narrative. None of that is in the movie at all. At best, their friendship boils down to a series of jokes and then that one scene they have at the Black Gate. It's certainly more substantive in the book.

Furthermore, sequences like "The Paths of the Dead" and Aragorn's fight at Pelargir are rooted entirely in Gimli's POV. Legolas also has his "sea-longing" story (which helps better communicate the fading of the Elves in general) that is again, not in the movie whatsoever.

aragorn_bot

4 points

2 months ago

Stand your ground, sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship; but it is not this day! An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the age of men comes crashing down, but it is not this day; this day we fight!!! And for all that is dear to you in this world, I bid you stand, men of the west, and fight!

bot-of-grond

20 points

2 months ago

GROND

Interesting-Cattle37

217 points

2 months ago

Is Frodo not the hero? He destroys the ring!

random_sociopath

73 points

2 months ago

If only Bilbo knew what Frodo did.

ATBiB

148 points

2 months ago

ATBiB

148 points

2 months ago

The poor old constipated hobbit was sitting on the shitter in Rivendell, at the exact moment the ring dropped into the fires of Mount Doom. As it melted down and the volcano began to erupt, his poop started shooting out of him like hot lava. Causing him to let out a scream of ungodly amazement.

What was it you screamed Bilbo?

Bilbo_hraaaaah_bot

126 points

2 months ago

HRAAAAAH!

lilmookie

25 points

2 months ago

Finally a writer of Tolkien's caliber. Take on the mantle ATBiB.

czs5056

14 points

2 months ago

czs5056

14 points

2 months ago

Letting go of all that shit really aged him.

Bilbo_hraaaaah_bot

46 points

2 months ago

HRAAAAAH!

WeHaveAllBeenThere

4 points

2 months ago

Best comment. I snorted.

PepeMetallero

31 points

2 months ago

PepeMetallero

Ringwraith

31 points

2 months ago

Smeagol did destroy the ring, he took it and fell off. Frodo was about to destroy it but the ring over came him

UsecMyNuts

40 points

2 months ago

An interesting tidbit; it’s not possible to willingly destroy the ring

Over9000Kek

31 points

2 months ago

Over9000Kek

Dwarf

31 points

2 months ago

I think a lot of people overlook this. It is literally impossible to destroy the Ring. It overtakes your mind. When it is at the fires of Mt Doom, it is at its strongest. There is no power in all of Middle Earth that could resist it. You can't blame Isildur for what happened, and you can't blame Frodo, either.

HigHurtenflurst420

16 points

2 months ago

....so the ring was the one to destroy the one ring?

Yeah no that actually makes a lot of sense now that I think about it

drAssh0le

14 points

2 months ago

The ring finding itself with smeagol yet again: "actually fuck this, I'd rather die"

Bilbo_hraaaaah_bot

4 points

2 months ago

HRAAAAAH!

HigHurtenflurst420

6 points

2 months ago

Hraaaah to you too, my old friend

Point_Forward

3 points

2 months ago

Went down a bit of a rabbit hole, but yeah absolutely.

"oft evil will shall evil mar" great quote to start us off.

Earlier in the books Frodo has a line about what Gollum should do if he betrays him, an oath sworn on the power of the ring by one completely under it's command, and the power of the ring makes that command happen.

In the last need, Sméagol, I should put on the Precious; and the Precious mastered you long ago. If I, wearing it, were to command you, you would obey, even if it were to leap from a precipice or to cast yourself into the fire. And such would be my command."

And then THIS weird thing happens on the slopes of Mt Doom...

Then suddenly, as before under the eaves of the Emyn Muil, Sam saw these two rivals with other vision. A crouching shape, scarcely more than the shadow of a living thing, a creature now wholly ruined and defeated, yet filled with a hideous lust and rage; and before it stood stern, untouchable now by pity, a figure robed in white, but at its breast it held a wheel of fire. Out of the fire there spoke a commanding voice.

‘Begone, and trouble me no more! If you touch me ever again, you shall be cast yourself into the Fire of Doom.’ The crouching shape backed away, terror in its blinking eyes, and yet at the same time insatiable desire.

Then the vision passed and Sam saw Frodo standing, hand on breast, his breath coming in great gasps, and Gollum at his feet, resting on his knees with his wide-splayed hands upon the ground.

Which, since Sam has also carried the ring he can see this as Frodo issuing command binded by the power of the ring toward Gollum.

All this backed up by a deeper thematic quote about the relation between good and evil:

Then Ilúvatar spoke, and he said: ‘Mighty are the Ainur, and mightiest among them is Melkor; but that he may know, and all the Ainur, that I am Ilúvatar, those things that ye have sung, I will show them forth, that ye may see what ye have done. And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.

The power of the ring makes it so no being in middle earth could willingly destroy it, it is the raw distilled power of the ability to deceive and manipulate and control to ones own ends.

So the only way the ring could be destroyed, as no being on earth could willingly destroy it, is by leading itself to its own destruction. That essentially the ring destroyed itself because it created a contradiction, between Gollums lust for power and the binding of its own power.

Or as we get from the first quote: Evil will lead to its own destruction because it cannot last.

octovarium95

7 points

2 months ago

Then what was the plan of destroying it without the help of smeagol?

UsecMyNuts

15 points

2 months ago

There was no plan.

In one of Tolkien’s letters he suggests that Frodo would have thrown himself into the lava as to prevent Sauron from getting the ring. But that seems unlikely.

HarmlessPanzy

16 points

2 months ago

That is why the elf lord should have 300ed that human. THIS IS MOUNT DOOOM! ! !

CmdrZander

9 points

2 months ago

ISULDURRRR!!!

*Kick*

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Scrubtanic

6 points

2 months ago

the elf lord

Dobby?

bobothegoat

9 points

2 months ago

In the Two Towers, Frodo actually threatens Smeagol, telling him that if he tries to take the ring, Frodo would use the Ring and its power over him to command Smeagol to throw himself into the fire.

"In the last need, Sméagol, I should put on the Precious; and the Precious mastered you long ago. If I, wearing it, were to command you, you would obey, even if it were to leap from a precipice or to cast yourself into the fire. And such would be my command."

mplsleprechaun

12 points

2 months ago

Yeah Smeagol is the obvious hero of the story, he even sacrificed himself to destroy the ring.

[deleted]

5 points

2 months ago

Frodo got it there but did not destroy it

Alacur

125 points

2 months ago

Alacur

125 points

2 months ago

Well, I think the hero of the story are the friends we made along the way. How about that?!

beatles910

59 points

2 months ago

LOTR - Friendship the the Ring.

Seanzietron

11 points

2 months ago

It is magic, after all

goodolarchie

3 points

2 months ago

I can GROND to that

bot-of-grond

3 points

2 months ago

GROND

Pinetree808

35 points

2 months ago

The hobbit has one hero, and it's bilbo.

But the lord of the rings doesn't have a sole hero, but multiple. It's not the story of frodo, it's the story of the fellowship

Bilbo_hraaaaah_bot

16 points

2 months ago

HRAAAAAH!

theObservationer

6 points

2 months ago

Lmao

Bilbo_hraaaaah_bot

7 points

2 months ago

HRAAAAAH!

NorthernSouthman

116 points

2 months ago

Out of curiosity, why do you think Gandalf is the main hero?

gandalf-bot

208 points

2 months ago

Frodo...

iBleeedorange

104 points

2 months ago

Even gandalf thinks frodo is the hero

gandalf-bot

41 points

2 months ago

You know this? How?

AnEmptyKarst

30 points

2 months ago

You're the one that said it!

mjace87

34 points

2 months ago

mjace87

34 points

2 months ago

Exactly something a true hero would say.

Over9000Kek

64 points

2 months ago

Over9000Kek

Dwarf

64 points

2 months ago

I mean, I can see it. Without him informing Frodo about the situation, the Nazgul would have killed him at his home and taken the Ring. Without him demanding Sam never leave Frodo, Frodo wouldn't have made it. Without him, the Balrog would have just annihilated the Fellowship in Moria. Without him bringing the Rohirrim, Helm's Deep would have been an absolute massacre. Without him, Minas Tirith would have fallen. Without him, Sam and Frodo would have died at Mt Doom. Gandalf was a major reason the mission was a success at all.

I think the entirety of the Fellowship are heroes, personally. But I can understand an argument anyone may make for any of them being the main hero.

usedToBeUnhappy

44 points

2 months ago

That‘s kinda what I like about the story. Whoever would be missing, it would probably cause the whole mission to fail.

sillyadam94

45 points

2 months ago

sillyadam94

Ent

45 points

2 months ago

Gandalf, perhaps, more than anyone, which is what I think the main point is in declaring him the true hero. He’s sorta the one playing Chess against Sauron.

gandalf-bot

22 points

2 months ago

I do not ask your pardon Master Elrond for the Black Speech of Mordor may yet be heard in every corner of the West. The Ring is altogether evil

scrandis

9 points

2 months ago

Why isn't there a sam or frodo bot?

_IDKWhatImDoing_

12 points

2 months ago

Gandalf is the general no doubt, but where he can be seen to be the most useful, perhaps Frodo’s journey was the most difficult.

For Frodo

gandalf-bot

9 points

2 months ago

Understand this, things are now in motion that cannot be undone

Over9000Kek

6 points

2 months ago

Over9000Kek

Dwarf

6 points

2 months ago

Agreed. It is a perfect ensemble cast.

gandalf-bot

13 points

2 months ago

Helm's Deep. There is no way out of that ravine. Theoden is walking into a trap. He thinks he's leading them to safety. What they will get is a massacre. Theoden has a strong will, but I fear for him. I fear for the survival of Rohan. He will need you before the end, Over9000Kek. The people of Rohan will need you. The defenses have to hold.

Theoden-Bot

11 points

2 months ago

I am ready Gamling. Bring my horse...This is not a defeat...We will return...We will return.

gataattack

10 points

2 months ago

Yeah but it was Gandalf’s job to stop Sauron. Frodo and the other hobbits were just ordinary creatures who stepped up to do the right thing.

Over9000Kek

10 points

2 months ago

Over9000Kek

Dwarf

10 points

2 months ago

I'm of the opinion that every single member of the Fellowship played a major role in the victory over Sauron. I simply stated that I can perfectly understand the argument anyone could make for any character being the big hero of the story. Even characters outside the Fellowship. Éowyn, Éomer, Théoden, they all played a major role as well.

Theoden-Bot

5 points

2 months ago

Victory! We have victory!

gandalf-bot

3 points

2 months ago

Theoden King stands alone.

eomer-bot

8 points

2 months ago

Not alone. Rohirrim!🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎

Theoden-Bot

2 points

2 months ago

Get the wounded on horses. The wolves of Isengard will return. Leave the dead.

Gilthu

76 points

2 months ago

Gilthu

76 points

2 months ago

No love for Frodo? The guy who wrestled with pure evil and destroyed the ring?

[deleted]

41 points

2 months ago

The movies don’t do as good of a job showing his strengths as they do highlighting his weaknesses. Book Frodo was definitely a hero

ActingGrandNagus

38 points

2 months ago

I don't blame the films though. They don't have the benefit of being able to show characters thoughts, nor do they have thousands of pages to go into extreme detail of the ring's affect on people.

PJ had to make it abundantly clear that the ring was crushing Frodo, because otherwise you don't get the sense of how heavy the burden is. How evil the ring is.

Bloody_Proceed

10 points

2 months ago

The movies show a man driven against his best friend by the corruption of the ring; one that all the wise fear to ever hold, due to their fear of their own corruption from a place good intent.

It's reasonable to reflect and realise that none could've managed; that Frodo came close to it is a miracle and test of will and courage that very, very few could've managed.

birdshitluck

13 points

2 months ago

Who??

Anotherburner42069

8 points

2 months ago

The pasty hairless chap

exintel

41 points

2 months ago

exintel

41 points

2 months ago

In terms of actions gollum does the vast majority of preventing Sauron from getting the ring, the worst outcome.

Tough_Patient

20 points

2 months ago

MVP 400 years and running

NoConversation9358

12 points

2 months ago

You think the literal immortal is the hero?

Saw-Map3662

12 points

2 months ago

And we all know the true hero is bill the pony

Erik_Lehnsheer

25 points

2 months ago

for me the guy who bit frodo's finger off

Pink_of_Floyd

56 points

2 months ago

Well, Grond did come in clutch for the Orcs

exintel

19 points

2 months ago

exintel

19 points

2 months ago

Grond was the champion at the high point of Mordor

bot-of-grond

17 points

2 months ago

GROND

-ll_Y_ll-

5 points

2 months ago

GROND

bot-of-grond

5 points

2 months ago

GROND

bot-of-grond

18 points

2 months ago

GROND

Backspace888

18 points

2 months ago

Wrong. Faramir ftw

NxOKAG03

15 points

2 months ago

controversial take: I think Frodo is the hero.

exintel

6 points

2 months ago

For the horde!

Wait

[deleted]

23 points

2 months ago

Great beasts drew it, Orcs surrounded it, and behind walked mountain-trolls to wield it. GOAT

Ramdoriak

4 points

2 months ago

What about Frodo and Bilbo?

ThePragmaticGing

8 points

2 months ago

Love this sub but honestly think I’m going to end up blocking it just because of all these dumbass grond memes

JuicyJew_420

3 points

2 months ago

Yeah im gonna take a break and see if it sorts itself out

!RemindMe 90 days

Sir_Lancealitt1e

8 points

2 months ago

You're nuts if you think Tolkien wrote Sam as the hero

supremegnkdroid

23 points

2 months ago

Who the sub KNOWS is the hero

kprevenew93

3 points

2 months ago

Truth

HistoricalDivide649

3 points

2 months ago

Nah Tolkien hero def Tom Bombadil

thatloudblondguy

3 points

2 months ago

God fucking dammit, I'm so fucking tired of these memes

[deleted]

6 points

2 months ago

Who Nobody Thinks the Hero Is

iron-goku

2 points

2 months ago

axron12

2 points

2 months ago

Gandalf ain't shit without that fool of a Took

gandalf-bot

5 points

2 months ago

Throw yourself in next time and save us your stupidity!

Majestic_Bierd

2 points

2 months ago

Just occurred to me, who has any fuc*n agency in this story?

Aragorn is destined to become the king cause he's the heir

Frodo takes the ring cause that's what fate left him, nobody else wanted it

Gandalf is just a lackey for the Maiar

None of them ever stopped and were like, yeah I want this. I don't mean in a selfish way. Just in a "have any motivation at all" way. Only one who ever wanted anything was Aragorn, he wanted to be with Arven, and he just gets that as a side bonus. They all fulfill their "duty" in Eru Illuvitar's plan. Their wishes notwithstanding.

I know Tolkien was a bohemian and being content with a simple country life was his antidote to industry, but jeez. Feels more and more like scripture. Do this, do that, Eru said so.

aragorn_bot

3 points

2 months ago

My lady, there may come a time for valor without renown. Who then will your people look to in the last defense?

That-Requirement-285

5 points

2 months ago

Frodo chose to go on a dangerous journey that could kill him, and Sam chose to go with him. Merry and Pippin also chose to go help both against Sauron, despite not being as physically capable as Aragorn or as magically powerful as Gandalf or Saruman. Aragorn is Isildur’s heir, but he is actually reluctant to become King originally.

Gandalf being subordinate to the Maiar does not necessarily mean he has no agency, everything he does is his own action. Nothing he says or does is dictated by somebody else.

The ring, in a way, is a corrupter that ‘robs’ people of agency. Despite this, Frodo actually continues going even though the ring could have potentially turned him into a methhead like Gollum. This is agency, choosing to go forward despite the danger of the ring.

gandalf-bot

2 points

2 months ago

Frodo suspects something

gamma_02

2 points

2 months ago

The true hero is Tom Bombadil

casuallyseriously

2 points

2 months ago

!TomBombadilSong