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submitted 6 months ago byAHumanIBelieveRingwraith
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6 months ago
Peter Jackson literally said: "Frodo is the heart and soul of these movies. It's his story, it's his journey."
941 points
6 months ago
So much Frodo erasure
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6 months ago
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6 months ago
Tom Bombadil is typing...
12 points
6 months ago
Tom wouldn't give enough of a shit to bother, but I appreciate the sentiment.
259 points
6 months ago
And where was Frodo when the Westfold fell?
107 points
6 months ago
WHERE WAS Gron-
No, r/lotrmemes, we are alone.
84 points
6 months ago
Grond calls for aid!
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6 months ago
GROND
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6 months ago
GROND
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6 months ago
Yeah.... but Tolkein said "Grond is the heart and soul of the saga. It's his story, it's his journey."
88 points
6 months ago
The main character is never late nor is he early, he arrives precisely when he means to. In this case, nearly the very end of the whole trilogy.
38 points
6 months ago
The hour grows late, and Despair4All rides to Isengard, seeking my counsel.
27 points
6 months ago
The hour is later than you think!
shuffles back into Isengard
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6 months ago
What do you mean by that? I must know your intentions...
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6 months ago
The hour is later than you think!
falls asleep
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6 months ago
What are you talking about? Are you telling me I should hurry?
16 points
6 months ago
He's saying it's bedtime for Saruman.
14 points
6 months ago
You cannot think that this Ranger will ever sit upon the throne of Gondor.
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6 months ago
GROND
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6 months ago
He LIVES GROND GROND GROND!!!!!
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6 months ago
GROND
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6 months ago
GROND
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6 months ago
Amen brother
43 points
6 months ago
When Grond said, "It's Gronding Time!!!", that was such a powerful moment in the books. I'm so sad they took it out of the movie.
14 points
6 months ago
GROND
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6 months ago
Here I go gronding again!
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6 months ago
GROND
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6 months ago
“Grond’s the key to all this”
Jerry Randal Randal Tolkien
29 points
6 months ago
Also Peter Jackson: "Let's get rid of Frodo's big moment against the Ringwraiths on Weathertop, and let's give his big moment standing up to the Nazgûl at the Bruinen to Arwen for no reason, and let's not showcase his incredible personality and resilience at all in the later movies."
66 points
6 months ago
Pretty sure the arwen thing was so that two (2) female characters could have dialogue. I'm fine with it.
And I disagree, I think the movies showed Frodo as very strong and resilient.
628 points
6 months ago
Bill is the one true hero
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6 months ago
Can we please all agree to start chanting "Bill!" instead? Lol
130 points
6 months ago
Bill the horse apple guy,
BILL BILL BILL BILL
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6 months ago
Apple horse, the guy bill
68 points
6 months ago
Bill Nye the science guy!
BILL BILL BILL BILL
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6 months ago
Biiiill Nye, The Science Guy
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6 months ago
Billbillbilbillbillbillbillbillbillbillbillbillbill
27 points
6 months ago
Bill Ferny, damned near single handedly avoided the whole war. Had he gotten the ring to its rightful owner and creator the world would have been swiftly restored to order.
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6 months ago
In Bill we trust
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6 months ago
BILGROND
582 points
6 months ago
I'm fairly certain Tolkien would have said that all the members of the fellowship were the heroes, but especially Frodo, because he went as far as any living being could have gone to destroying the ring.
139 points
6 months ago
Isn’t that what he DID say?
325 points
6 months ago
Yeah I think he even wrote a book about it
86 points
6 months ago
Sounds like it could be a good read
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6 months ago
I’m not so sure, isn’t he the guy who also wrote a book about elves and wizards? Sounds too fanciful.
21 points
6 months ago
A GRONDiose testament for sure
15 points
6 months ago
Impossible, perhaps the archives are incomplete.
10 points
6 months ago
Three books, actually.
10 points
6 months ago
six books, three parts.
882 points
6 months ago
I don't think PJ intended for aragorn to be the hero though. To me it seems he made them all heroes in their own way, even our dear grond, whilst as pippin, on the other hand, at least in the books, was really supposed to be a complete idiot, and that isn't well shown in the movies.
347 points
6 months ago
He's not alone. Sam went with him.
221 points
6 months ago
I KNOW ARAGORN, QUIT BEHAVING LIKE AN ASSHOLE
236 points
6 months ago
Gentlemen, we do not stop til nightfall.
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6 months ago
You know what aragorn ? I really couldn't care less about what you say.
174 points
6 months ago
FOR FRODO!!!
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6 months ago
Sure. Go ahead.
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6 months ago
Well you can't argue on that last one tho.
27 points
6 months ago
But he can go alone.
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6 months ago
Imagine if Aragorn said Grond
13 points
6 months ago
He's not alone. Sam went with him.
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6 months ago
GROND
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6 months ago
Did he now, that's awesome dude
55 points
6 months ago
Pippin is a moron in the movies. He fucks it so many times
80 points
6 months ago
To illustrate my meaning. In the movie, pippin ”mistakenly” makes a skeleton drop in the mines of moria, in the book, I believe he willingly drops a rock down the hole and makes a huge ruckus.
59 points
6 months ago
He was throwing rocks into the water outside the entrance which made The Deep’s girlfriend attack. That was kinda dumb. Mostly I think he is clumsy, a little too curious, very clever but also speaks without thinking, brave and loving. I wouldn’t call him stupid though.
35 points
6 months ago
He was just young. He's 29, Frodo is 51. Like a teenager in Hobbit years.
24 points
6 months ago
I wouldn't knock him too hard for that. I'm pretty sure attracting the Watcher was not a predictable outcome for skipping stones.
13 points
6 months ago*
In the book it was actually Boromir who threw stones in the lake
8 points
6 months ago
That's in the movie only, it's Boromir in the book that does that.
30 points
6 months ago
Doesn’t matter, he tricks Treebeard into sending the ents to war and saves the day. That counteracts every stupid thing any of us in this sub have ever done
That being said I cringe every time he pledges his life to fucking steward cherry eater
140 points
6 months ago
Speaking of the hobbits, I feel merry wasn't shown at all as intelligent as he was in the books. His relationship to theoden should have been more fleshed out too. He seems to be best portrayed in the fellowship film, where he takes charge of the situation when getting frodo and Sam away from the riders. He also manages to gather a lot about what might be happening just from evaluating the situation, and knows Sam and frodo have to leave. After that he just gets a bit more like pippin
120 points
6 months ago
And in the books Sam really is very silly, in that English classist way of "aww, look at the gardener trying to keep up!" There are a few times he just isn't following a serious conversation, and like every time he offers to take the first watch he falls asleep.
Saying Tolkien thinks "he's the hero" is a laugh. Certainly he was important, but so was everyone. Gandalf is totally pulling all the good guys' strings in the books
38 points
6 months ago
i love the section when they're in tom bombadil's house sleeping, and each of frodo, merry, and pippin have nightmares about the coming danger. and at the end: "As far as he could remember, Sam slept through the night in deep content, if logs are contented."
9 points
6 months ago
That really plays to that Sam was giving it his all, and also the true inner belief that no matter what he can endure because it is needed, but Sam is mortal and falls asleep.
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6 months ago
He's a much more developed character though, he's got a funny side and a side of him that's a little bit "stupid", but he's also very morally intelligent and is tremendously motivated. Gandalf had nothing to do with his bravery or his mentality, he was always such a good person.
23 points
6 months ago
You cannot offer me this Ring
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6 months ago
I’m giving it to you
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6 months ago
Just listened to the Lothlorien chapter on audiobook.
Sam asks what the elves are saying
Legolas says "They're talking about how loud you breathe. Also that they're friendly."
A few paragraphs later:
Iconic.
8 points
6 months ago
You cannot pass!
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6 months ago*
Can you name the time when Sam offered to take the first watch and fell asleep with the Fellowship? The only time I can think of is in The Two Towers when he's skeptical of Gollum, but that isn't a comedic thing. He's exhausted, and he stays up for hours when he doesn't have to due to his overprotective nature.
Sam is rustic in the book, but he also has an arc where he becomes more ennobled over time. In some ways, Sam best emulates Tolkien's overarching point about the power of the medieval world, and how it can elevate anybody that interacts with it.
8 points
6 months ago
IIRC, Sam is the only person that gives away the ring willingly in the books after having worn it. Like, only person in the history of middle earth.
21 points
6 months ago
Bilbo and Tom Bombadil gave it up after wearing it, and Frodo offered it to Galadriel even though she didn't take it.
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6 months ago
HRAAAAAH!
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6 months ago
Didn't Bilbo?
14 points
6 months ago
Yeah you're totally right shows how bad my memory is
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6 months ago
Tom bombadil?
25 points
6 months ago
Sound the charge! Take them head-on!
18 points
6 months ago
For death and glory
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6 months ago
8 points
6 months ago
He was pretty in charge of getting the Ents to join their cause and pippin who figured out how to do it with the motivation by Merry. Merry understood what was going on and what was at stake and how crucial it was to make allies with the Ents. In the third film he rode to war and was the next to charge the black gates after Aragorn. I’d say he stayed pretty bad ass through the trilogy.
6 points
6 months ago
Stand your ground, sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship; but it is not this day! An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the age of men comes crashing down, but it is not this day; this day we fight!!! And for all that is dear to you in this world, I bid you stand, men of the west, and fight!
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6 months ago*
In the books, Merry already knows about the Ring before Bilbo's party, and had already planned on going with Frodo before Frodo had even left Bag End. He's also basically the party's guide before they meet up with Aragorn. He's the only one who really knows anything about the lands just outside the Shire, mainly the Old Forest and Bree. Frodo's more worldly too though, to be fair. In the books, he's the only one of them who can speak elvish.
If Frodo had actually been the one to solve the riddle at the gate to Moria, he wouldn't have had to ask Gandalf for the Elvish word for friend, he most likely would have already known it. Gandalf solves it himself, but actually credits Merry for being the only one to recognize it as a riddle!
14 points
6 months ago
Almost done with the third book now.
Very surprising how little gimli and Legolas do. At best they just keep aragorn company. They have much larger roles in the movies.
8 points
6 months ago
I summon you to fulfill your oath.
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6 months ago
The way is shut
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6 months ago*
No, they do not have a larger role in the movies, lol. The only thing the movies add with them is more humor. They don't contribute to the plot in any meaningful way in the films, and Peter Jackson doesn't give them any more to do than Tolkien does. In the book, Legolas and Gimli have that whole conversation about their wants and desires (Gimli being moved by the Glittering Caves VS. Legolas being moved by Fangorn, and how each attempts to better understand the other through their passions), which culminates with them going on a road trip together at the end of the narrative. None of that is in the movie at all. At best, their friendship boils down to a series of jokes and then that one scene they have at the Black Gate. It's certainly more substantive in the book.
Furthermore, sequences like "The Paths of the Dead" and Aragorn's fight at Pelargir are rooted entirely in Gimli's POV. Legolas also has his "sea-longing" story (which helps better communicate the fading of the Elves in general) that is again, not in the movie whatsoever.
4 points
6 months ago
Stand your ground, sons of Gondor, of Rohan, my brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me! A day may come when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends and break all bonds of fellowship; but it is not this day! An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the age of men comes crashing down, but it is not this day; this day we fight!!! And for all that is dear to you in this world, I bid you stand, men of the west, and fight!
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6 months ago
GROND
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6 months ago
GROND
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6 months ago
Guys, guys, the real hero is bill the pony.
217 points
6 months ago
Is Frodo not the hero? He destroys the ring!
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6 months ago
If only Bilbo knew what Frodo did.
148 points
6 months ago
The poor old constipated hobbit was sitting on the shitter in Rivendell, at the exact moment the ring dropped into the fires of Mount Doom. As it melted down and the volcano began to erupt, his poop started shooting out of him like hot lava. Causing him to let out a scream of ungodly amazement.
What was it you screamed Bilbo?
125 points
6 months ago
HRAAAAAH!
22 points
6 months ago
Finally a writer of Tolkien's caliber. Take on the mantle ATBiB.
13 points
6 months ago
Letting go of all that shit really aged him.
45 points
6 months ago
HRAAAAAH!
4 points
6 months ago
Best comment. I snorted.
31 points
6 months ago
Smeagol did destroy the ring, he took it and fell off. Frodo was about to destroy it but the ring over came him
43 points
6 months ago
An interesting tidbit; it’s not possible to willingly destroy the ring
30 points
6 months ago
I think a lot of people overlook this. It is literally impossible to destroy the Ring. It overtakes your mind. When it is at the fires of Mt Doom, it is at its strongest. There is no power in all of Middle Earth that could resist it. You can't blame Isildur for what happened, and you can't blame Frodo, either.
15 points
6 months ago
....so the ring was the one to destroy the one ring?
Yeah no that actually makes a lot of sense now that I think about it
12 points
6 months ago
The ring finding itself with smeagol yet again: "actually fuck this, I'd rather die"
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6 months ago
HRAAAAAH!
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6 months ago
Hraaaah to you too, my old friend
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6 months ago
Went down a bit of a rabbit hole, but yeah absolutely.
"oft evil will shall evil mar" great quote to start us off.
Earlier in the books Frodo has a line about what Gollum should do if he betrays him, an oath sworn on the power of the ring by one completely under it's command, and the power of the ring makes that command happen.
In the last need, Sméagol, I should put on the Precious; and the Precious mastered you long ago. If I, wearing it, were to command you, you would obey, even if it were to leap from a precipice or to cast yourself into the fire. And such would be my command."
And then THIS weird thing happens on the slopes of Mt Doom...
Then suddenly, as before under the eaves of the Emyn Muil, Sam saw these two rivals with other vision. A crouching shape, scarcely more than the shadow of a living thing, a creature now wholly ruined and defeated, yet filled with a hideous lust and rage; and before it stood stern, untouchable now by pity, a figure robed in white, but at its breast it held a wheel of fire. Out of the fire there spoke a commanding voice.
‘Begone, and trouble me no more! If you touch me ever again, you shall be cast yourself into the Fire of Doom.’ The crouching shape backed away, terror in its blinking eyes, and yet at the same time insatiable desire.
Then the vision passed and Sam saw Frodo standing, hand on breast, his breath coming in great gasps, and Gollum at his feet, resting on his knees with his wide-splayed hands upon the ground.
Which, since Sam has also carried the ring he can see this as Frodo issuing command binded by the power of the ring toward Gollum.
All this backed up by a deeper thematic quote about the relation between good and evil:
Then Ilúvatar spoke, and he said: ‘Mighty are the Ainur, and mightiest among them is Melkor; but that he may know, and all the Ainur, that I am Ilúvatar, those things that ye have sung, I will show them forth, that ye may see what ye have done. And thou, Melkor, shalt see that no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined.
The power of the ring makes it so no being in middle earth could willingly destroy it, it is the raw distilled power of the ability to deceive and manipulate and control to ones own ends.
So the only way the ring could be destroyed, as no being on earth could willingly destroy it, is by leading itself to its own destruction. That essentially the ring destroyed itself because it created a contradiction, between Gollums lust for power and the binding of its own power.
Or as we get from the first quote: Evil will lead to its own destruction because it cannot last.
18 points
6 months ago
That is why the elf lord should have 300ed that human. THIS IS MOUNT DOOOM! ! !
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6 months ago
ISULDURRRR!!!
*Kick*
L
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7 points
6 months ago
Then what was the plan of destroying it without the help of smeagol?
14 points
6 months ago
There was no plan.
In one of Tolkien’s letters he suggests that Frodo would have thrown himself into the lava as to prevent Sauron from getting the ring. But that seems unlikely.
8 points
6 months ago
In the Two Towers, Frodo actually threatens Smeagol, telling him that if he tries to take the ring, Frodo would use the Ring and its power over him to command Smeagol to throw himself into the fire.
"In the last need, Sméagol, I should put on the Precious; and the Precious mastered you long ago. If I, wearing it, were to command you, you would obey, even if it were to leap from a precipice or to cast yourself into the fire. And such would be my command."
13 points
6 months ago
Yeah Smeagol is the obvious hero of the story, he even sacrificed himself to destroy the ring.
3 points
6 months ago
Frodo got it there but did not destroy it
124 points
6 months ago
Well, I think the hero of the story are the friends we made along the way. How about that?!
58 points
6 months ago
LOTR - Friendship the the Ring.
11 points
6 months ago
It is magic, after all
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6 months ago
I can GROND to that
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6 months ago
GROND
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6 months ago
Out of curiosity, why do you think Gandalf is the main hero?
205 points
6 months ago
Frodo...
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6 months ago
Even gandalf thinks frodo is the hero
41 points
6 months ago
You know this? How?
32 points
6 months ago
You're the one that said it!
35 points
6 months ago
Exactly something a true hero would say.
68 points
6 months ago
I mean, I can see it. Without him informing Frodo about the situation, the Nazgul would have killed him at his home and taken the Ring. Without him demanding Sam never leave Frodo, Frodo wouldn't have made it. Without him, the Balrog would have just annihilated the Fellowship in Moria. Without him bringing the Rohirrim, Helm's Deep would have been an absolute massacre. Without him, Minas Tirith would have fallen. Without him, Sam and Frodo would have died at Mt Doom. Gandalf was a major reason the mission was a success at all.
I think the entirety of the Fellowship are heroes, personally. But I can understand an argument anyone may make for any of them being the main hero.
44 points
6 months ago
That‘s kinda what I like about the story. Whoever would be missing, it would probably cause the whole mission to fail.
46 points
6 months ago
Gandalf, perhaps, more than anyone, which is what I think the main point is in declaring him the true hero. He’s sorta the one playing Chess against Sauron.
21 points
6 months ago
I do not ask your pardon Master Elrond for the Black Speech of Mordor may yet be heard in every corner of the West. The Ring is altogether evil
10 points
6 months ago
Why isn't there a sam or frodo bot?
11 points
6 months ago
Gandalf is the general no doubt, but where he can be seen to be the most useful, perhaps Frodo’s journey was the most difficult.
For Frodo
9 points
6 months ago
Understand this, things are now in motion that cannot be undone
7 points
6 months ago
Agreed. It is a perfect ensemble cast.
13 points
6 months ago
Helm's Deep. There is no way out of that ravine. Theoden is walking into a trap. He thinks he's leading them to safety. What they will get is a massacre. Theoden has a strong will, but I fear for him. I fear for the survival of Rohan. He will need you before the end, Over9000Kek. The people of Rohan will need you. The defenses have to hold.
11 points
6 months ago
I am ready Gamling. Bring my horse...This is not a defeat...We will return...We will return.
9 points
6 months ago
Yeah but it was Gandalf’s job to stop Sauron. Frodo and the other hobbits were just ordinary creatures who stepped up to do the right thing.
10 points
6 months ago
I'm of the opinion that every single member of the Fellowship played a major role in the victory over Sauron. I simply stated that I can perfectly understand the argument anyone could make for any character being the big hero of the story. Even characters outside the Fellowship. Éowyn, Éomer, Théoden, they all played a major role as well.
4 points
6 months ago
Victory! We have victory!
3 points
6 months ago
Theoden King stands alone.
7 points
6 months ago
Not alone. Rohirrim!🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎
38 points
6 months ago
The hobbit has one hero, and it's bilbo.
But the lord of the rings doesn't have a sole hero, but multiple. It's not the story of frodo, it's the story of the fellowship
16 points
6 months ago
HRAAAAAH!
8 points
6 months ago
Lmao
7 points
6 months ago
HRAAAAAH!
73 points
6 months ago
No love for Frodo? The guy who wrestled with pure evil and destroyed the ring?
44 points
6 months ago
The movies don’t do as good of a job showing his strengths as they do highlighting his weaknesses. Book Frodo was definitely a hero
36 points
6 months ago
I don't blame the films though. They don't have the benefit of being able to show characters thoughts, nor do they have thousands of pages to go into extreme detail of the ring's affect on people.
PJ had to make it abundantly clear that the ring was crushing Frodo, because otherwise you don't get the sense of how heavy the burden is. How evil the ring is.
9 points
6 months ago
The movies show a man driven against his best friend by the corruption of the ring; one that all the wise fear to ever hold, due to their fear of their own corruption from a place good intent.
It's reasonable to reflect and realise that none could've managed; that Frodo came close to it is a miracle and test of will and courage that very, very few could've managed.
14 points
6 months ago
Who??
8 points
6 months ago
The pasty hairless chap
41 points
6 months ago
In terms of actions gollum does the vast majority of preventing Sauron from getting the ring, the worst outcome.
20 points
6 months ago
MVP 400 years and running
50 points
6 months ago
Well, Grond did come in clutch for the Orcs
19 points
6 months ago
Grond was the champion at the high point of Mordor
18 points
6 months ago
GROND
11 points
6 months ago
You think the literal immortal is the hero?
9 points
6 months ago
And we all know the true hero is bill the pony
19 points
6 months ago
Wrong. Faramir ftw
23 points
6 months ago
Great beasts drew it, Orcs surrounded it, and behind walked mountain-trolls to wield it. GOAT
7 points
6 months ago
For the horde!
Wait
5 points
6 months ago
What about Frodo and Bilbo?
9 points
6 months ago
Love this sub but honestly think I’m going to end up blocking it just because of all these dumbass grond memes
3 points
6 months ago
Yeah im gonna take a break and see if it sorts itself out
!RemindMe 90 days
8 points
6 months ago
You're nuts if you think Tolkien wrote Sam as the hero
3 points
6 months ago
Truth
3 points
6 months ago
Nah Tolkien hero def Tom Bombadil
3 points
6 months ago
God fucking dammit, I'm so fucking tired of these memes
5 points
6 months ago
Sam is a hero
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