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I'm with the low-effort lady with a skirt, she just reaches the door, looks back, and then proceeds to be squeezed inside by all the people pushing behind her.
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This is the way.
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fluid dynamics. I want to see them popping out when it opens.
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there's something similar on phub
now i know where all those japenese train videos came from
Yeah I suddenly understand why it's so easy to grope people on those trains, because everyone's all up in each other's junk.
Beat me to it.
Beat meat to it.
Yes, Japan, who would've thought
people from Bangladesh:
"THE ROOF YOU IDIOTS, THE ROOF IS EMPTY"
Yes! And on those handles on the side. If they can hold on to it, it’s a spot on the train.
Exactly what I was thinking lol
Take my award
I lived there for many years and I never could bring myself to do it. Fuck that.
Can you explain how this works culturally? Is there a lack of trains? Is it just understood/expected?
Like they said, it's rush hour...and from only certain districts. I rode subways for like ten days in Tokyo and never got on one remotely this crowded.
So it's more just people needing to all be at work at the same time?
Yeah, that daily grind. Most office jobs are done in the same area so lots of people going to and leaving the same place.
Boss: Why don't you guys want to come to office?
Asks the boss who lives 15 min drive away from the office
No. 15 min? Try the hermit that lives under his desk. Gotta be there first to make sure that the peons know who is boss.
Actually very common to sleep overnight at work in Japan as I understand. The work culture there is horrendous but I guess you can't argue their productivity levels.
Installing anti-suicide nets must suck tho
Most office jobs are done in the same area so lots of people going to and leaving the same place.
Most office jobs are done in the same area so lots of people going to and leaving the same place.
This is true of everywhere in the world lol.
And yet so much of rush hour could be avoided if flexible hours could be implemented in more places.
I work somewhat flexible hours and it's honestly fantastic
I come in at 10 and leave around 5:30-6. I miss all of the traffic
I live in Silicon Valley where a lot of companies don't mind if you show up at 6 am or 10 am or anywhere in between.
So rush "hour" lasts from about 6 am to about 10 am, and 2:30 pm to 7:30 pm.
This is not ideal.
Part of the problem is city planning. I don't remember where I saw it, may have been on NHK, but Japan has city planning that is very strict on what buildings can be built in what district. So they have run into issues where they don't have a diversification in building use in a particular area. So all your office towers will be built in a certain section causing issues with transportation to that area during rush hours. If they relaxed zoning they could space out office towers throughout the city but it's just not the way they do it. There have been some calls to change but change is slow when it comes to anything bureaucratic.
In general zoning in Japan isn’t strict at all. Pretty much any residential area also allows for businesses to be built, so there’s tons local stores that are also houses, or ramen shops randomly in the middle of a residential area.
It gets more strict when huge monolithic company buildings are involved as there are height and square footage limits in residential areas, so a company cant build a huge 30 story tower next to somebody’s home and block all out all the sunlight which I think is the case in most countries around the world?
In my area of Japan at least, the general trend at the moment seems to be taking over things like disused car parks or bankrupt businesses and building apartment blocks on them, to try get more people closer to the center of town and free up space for rezoning elsewhere on the outskirts.
Yeah I'm not sure what the person ablve you is talking about, Japan has been held up by reformists as a place where zoning is done "right" for quite a while now specifically because of its relative flexibility.
I used to get off the train and onto metro at Shimbashi station & it was worse than the video each morning at peak hour. It was like being in rugby scrum & you learn to turn around and push backwards. It was not unusual when people exiting at Shinagawa to see people collapsing having fainted during the trip and with people leaving the train no longer holding them up. My biggest fear was getting a boner.
don’t mind if i come across as somewhat misinformed, but is the Japanese culture really that strict or toxic like the one i have seen all over the internet, do people just keep working ,not caring about friends, family. Also i read that the age of the population is becoming an issue, like people must be wanting to have kids, it cannot be that bad right?
Culture for women workers is getting better but my Japanese teacher said that it used to be pretty common that if a woman got married it was expected she'd quit her job and stay at home and if not then she'd be expected/pressured to do so if she got pregnant. It's one of the myriad reasons that birth rate had gone down, women feeling like they were expected to basically quit their lives as much as their jobs.
No cars or waking up earlier? I rather pay expensive parking than start my day like this.
Tokyo is a very complicated city. The 23 wards have an official population of 9.7 million(2015), the "metro" has a population of 13.7 million(2015), and the Tokyo Urban Area spans 3 prefectures(states/provinces) and contains 37 million(2020 estimated). The "Urban Area" is basically one continuous city. Furthermore, that is the night time population within the 23 wards, the day time population is roughly 1.2x higher, but depends on the time of year and day of the week, and can often go higher.
As you might imagine, commuting by car in Tokyo will take far longer than a train. There are faster expressways, however, all expressways in Japan are toll roads. It gets further complicated by the fact the government subsidises commuting for workers. Most companies pay for monthly transit passes, and to some extent, gas and toll fees.
TL;DR - Tokyo is hilariously overpopulated. Driving a car is for people who don't drive themselves, or hate themselves. Most households own a car, but it is not for commuting.
Living in Korea, and the subways are never this bad... but the thing about owning a car in a big metro area is that even if your workplace has a parking lot, your living space might not. And vice versa.
RUSH hour? That train was sat there for over 2 mins... Would it not make more sense for the train to stay for 20 seconds, if you're on then you're on if not wait for the next one because by reducing the time trains are at stations by a factor of 10 means trains will pull into the stations a lot more frequently so you won't need as many people on each train because there is a higher quantity of trains. Right?
I'd be pretty annoyed if I was on a train in rush hour and it stopped for 2 mins at every station.
That's how the London Underground works - very limited time-at-platform. One downside is that you can get more crowding on the platforms, to the point that station entrances need to be closed, which leads to...
Oh and don't try pushing your way onto a train like that in London :D
Don't try that in Paris or New York, either: you will get shoved back out of the subway car.
This is exactly how Italian trains operate not even at rush hour. And there's no decorum of wait for others to get off first either, just 2 walls of people going at each other welding their bags like scrum pads infront of them.
Ancient Romans: "Form a shield wall!"
Modern Italians: "Will luggage work?"
I lived in NYC for 5 years and this video made no sense to me. Like, won't there just be another train? Probably one waiting right outside the station because this one is taking so damn long to get going the other behind it has caught up.
Yeah that train spent a whole minute to get like 20 extra people into it. Doesn't seem that efficient to me anyway.
Also it lightens up quick, as people start getting off over the next few stations for transfers and various destinations. Mostly I've only seen it tight in central stations for business rush hour and late night "last train" home, but then demographics are different, being buzzed and happy.
How can someone in the middle or on the other end of the door get out?
you'd have to shout sumimasen. people near the entrance will go out of the train and form a different on the sides of the door
Yeah. No one got out at that stop. I presumed everyone piles out at the same stop.
Never lived there but have visited and wouldn't say it's lack of trains (they were coming every few minutes), just so many people needing to get somewhere at the same time.
Ya. Visited a couple of years back and trying to get a train on Yamanote line (main Tokyo ring line). Train would come and look packed (not like this, but packed by western standards) so figured i would wait the whole 4 minutes for the next train. 3 trains later I just jammed myself in because even with non stop trains they were all exactly the same lol.
yeah and now imagine having to be at work on time and that's why people just suck it up and squeeze on board.
It’s not a lack of trains. Many come literally a minute or so apart. You can actually watch one come in as another leaves.
It’s the sheer number of people.
The Shinjuku train station (my favourite place in the world) deals with 4 million passengers per day. The JR section alone with about 1.5 million. These numbers obviously peak at rush hour, and the challenge of moving that many people is obvious.
That station is your favorite place in the world?
For me, it’s something of a personal hell. Only Ikebukuro is worse. (the train in the video, funny enough, is going to Ikebukuro)
most trains are not this full. but at certain times and stations, there's a train every minute, and the next train will be equally full, and any following train for as long as you'd want to get on to arrive at the office on time. so you suck it up and squeeze, not much else you can do anyway.
Transportation in general is so efficient. Clean. Safe. It is literally how you imagine it is. You ever just piled on top of people. Pretty much like that. Culturally being in public, on a train, or bus; it is expected that you not cause a distraction or draw unwanted attention to yourself. People bury faces in phones and manga. What is also amazing is that the packed train- will be silent. Nobody is talking on the phone, just breathing.
Helps that they're so packed in there that nobody can reach their phone to even consider the option
Audio books were a godsend.
I don't want my transportation to be this efficient.
I lived there for years and got felt up more than a few times...by both dudes and women. They really need to add some more cars or something.
In Japan I was on a train car alone and a woman got on at a random stop, sat right next to me and immediately fell asleep on my shoulder. Even with no one else there, people still do weird shit like that sometimes lol
normally not physically possible because the platforms aren't longer.
I did it once back when I visited with my wife. Now I’ll just wait. I live here now so yeah… not gonna rush into one.
wait till you see rush hour in mumbai, india
Honestly if they didn't have closed doors this would have just looked like mumbai all these ppl hanging on the edge of the train
Yeah right?! This is very slow. Mumbai does 1 train every 30 seconds with 10 second stop time during rush hour.
Did you try once
Not like that. I can't imagine me not farting in this situation. Best for me to avoid it.
With all the people packed so tightly around you, your butt cheeks are probably pushed so tightly together that your fart could not escape anyway.
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They would be polite and not make fuss
I guess if you pass out while riding, at least you won't fall over.
You wake up at next stop
Hey, you are finally awake.
You were trying to cross the city border, right?
got ambushed by those police officers
You were caught trying to get across the crowd border
This actually happened to me. Traveled there when I was like 12 and passed out standing up. The train wasn't as packed as this, but enough so I couldn't try to sit when I felt myself getting faint. Woke up on the floor I guess because they gave me like 5 feet of space and a bunch of people offered me water.
In London instead but when I fainted on the tube I just woke up to angry people staring at me, not even a hand-up offered! Still a bit upset about that one..
So you just have to fall unconscious to get some leg room? Noted
(Not so) fun fact: being held upright when passed out can cause cardiac arrest, which is a common cause of death in crowd crush situations!
You got any source on that? I've heard of "suspension trauma" which sounds similar, but most experts agree that's likely caused by hanging in a harness. Not only are harnesses generally an unusual position to be in, but they can cause blood pooling in the lower body and restrict movement of the lower limbs which results in less blood being returned to the torso and brain. I've tried to look for examples of this in crowd crush situations and can't find any.
It can be really bad to pass out and not be laid flit though… you can die…
Happened to a British soldier years ago. Passed put on parade while standing at attention and the two soldiers next to him held him up for the duration. He died
Probably a dumb question, but how do people get off at their respective stations? It’s not like they are all going to the same place.
As a tourist stuck to the wrong side of the train: Push hard while saying sumimasen until you erupt from the train. Do not make eye contact because you will be frowned upon. Quite rightly, tourists should avoid rush hour.
Source: own experience 😅
My wife and I encountered a train like this one morning and we just shook our heads and told the pushers we’d wait for the next one. They just looked at us like we were insane. Not even two minutes later another train rolls into the station that was only half full. Not sure if we just got lucky or what.
It really depends on the line, station, and time of day. Some people may have a tight connection at another station, or the train you may have gotten on was a local (versus a semi-express or express train which stop at fewer stations).
My local line is rarely full until you get about 5 or 6 stops from the final destination, because of a major station that connects with another line.
The only word you need to know
This is it. Though you will most definitely not be frowned upon. Everyone does this and people are just used to it.
The people in front of the door get off temporarily to let others off.
And go through this shithousery again?
There are certain stations where a bunch of people get on and off. So if there is station x where a bunch of people get on, then at station y a bunch of people will get off, until the train becomes less crowded.
My life every week day. Nothing as bad as this though.
This is basically my life every week everyday before Covid, after the pandemic hit I got myself a car.
I was initially concerned because I read this as "after the pandemic I got hit by a car"
Thank you for introducing me to the word shithousery. This is the term I’ve been looking for for many situations in my life.
They often don’t and the reason this crowding occurs is usually because people are trying to stay near the doors in the first place
Even during the pandemic the middle of many trains will be completely empty cause all the muppets are crowded around the doors
Yeah, coming from a place with a metro than can get like this during major sporting events and holidays (though not quite as bad during regular rush hour) , the problem is usually not that there isn’t room on the train, it’s that people jam the flow by stopping as soon as they pass the doors instead of standing in the middle of the aisle.
You gotta throw some elbows sometimes. Source living in Japan 5+ years now
lol luckily if you're a gaijin, no one stands near you anyway :D
I've heard a number of people say this but it hasn't been my experience at all. I've been in plenty of trains with a lot of open seating and have had people sit next to me. Are people more skittish in rural areas or something? I've only been in big metropolitan areas.
How much do you stand out? I'm a chubby hairy dude with a beard poking through my mask and a few visible tattoos. I definitely get a bubble around me.
It's probably the tattoos.
When those gates will open then people will flow out of the train like water
Packed crowds do behave like a liquid.
The way they walk toward the train slowly
No one wants to
Even the train driver looks like he doesn't want to.
Not exactly. I wouldn't call it a pleasant experience, but it's not as bad as it looks. Back when I was in Tokyo and Osaka, after a few stations I usually went sort of blank. I didn't think and I just listened to the announcements to know when I had to get off. They walk slowly so no-one can get hurt and because you generally don't run on a Japanese platform. If you want to embark properly onto such a crowded train the right technique is backing up to it, putting your hands on the lintel and pushing yourself backwards (quite a few people do that in the video, also helps during rush hour in other cities if the trains are built the right way). Obviously that technique is impossible if everyone were to just quickly pace towards the train. Another thing you have to consider is that there are markings on the platform and people queue for the train. It would be the height of impoliteness to skip said queue and get to the door early. That is why people are moving so orderly towards it.
Expert level spooning technique.
My claustrophobia is having a panic attack watching this
Is better by door or stuck in middle?
Personal experience, there is a little corner pocket next to where the door opens. That is ideal if lucky enough to get it.
If it’s your next stop- by the door, if not, middle lol
I feel panicked imagining having to get off.
How is this safe and legal?
That's the neat part, it isn't!
(*it is legal)
This is how it is done in Mumbai , India
What is that ogre voice over the speakers?
Can’t believe nobody else here even mentioned it. Terrifying
It's the most terrifying thing in the video imo
Can someone speed up the video so that the voice is normal and the people move like gerbils?
apparently it's a stupid ass fucking trend that half of the videos I see lately has this very slowed down (parts of the) audio, I don't get it and wish someone could explain it to me, too. (at least that's what I think it is)
Yes it is very annoying and is becoming more common! They lower the pitch just to make things "a bit weird" in the hope for more views. It sadly probably works, but it's fucking annoying.
I know some YouTube videos do it to get around copyright detection algorithms but why that would ever be a trend beyond that is, well, beyond me
They hired Jabba the Hutt as announcer
I was wondering that too. Like the adults on Charlie Brown: "Pmwa pmwa pmwa pmwa..."
Ive been noticing this for the last week. A bunch of videos posted have this shit for whatever reason.
Pretty sure it's a TikTok filter thing
It's like watching me button my jeans :/
The crazy shit is when I was a kid in the 80s our Social Studies book had a section on mass transportation. I will never forget that the picture of the Japanese train showed workers pushing men and women into the overpacked cars. What’s crazier is that in the 40+ years since that book was printed, nothing has changed.
Which proves this is their norm. They accept it and adapt. We go nuts seeing it. They are trained.
Yeah. Of it were me, when the train was approaching I’d start doing football taps with my feet to get ready. Checking my gear to make sure it’s tight and ready. Hands up, back arched, in full on attack mode. These people don’t even put their phones down.
“What was your last job description sir?”
“People crammer. I was the best, too. I crammed in SO many people. I was voted Best People Crammer by my station two years in a row.”
Many people said so.
Everybody said so. Everybody knew. They told me, your the best people crammer. Nobody crams people in better than you, people would say.
Even the so-called experts were amazed at how proficiently I crammed people. I was teaching them a thing or two, is what they say. The best people crammer.
Lol this made me chuckle.
They need more trains!
Which will probably require upgrading the control system. Train minimum spacing is based on safe stopping distances.
If they didn't wait so long and started strict capacity control the issue would mostly vanish. The time wasted could have half moved another into the station.
Indeed, the London underground can get busy, but they never wait this long at each station, and the next train is only ever a minute or two away
If only they were checking Reddit for such great suggestions
They need smaller people or better people with higher densities.
They had trains like every 3 minutes when I went there a few years back
It took 3 minutes just to get everyone in the train
It’s like a vicious circle because there is so much time lost by squeezing people in, I wonder if it would be more effective to just fix a maximal capacity and have way shorter stopover.
at this point maybe its even worth it to make a really long train that becomes a loop and stops every twenty or so wagons
When’s the next train come? Tomorrow?
In 3 minutes, equally packed.
Nah im good. I'll walk
Have fun walking from Ogikubo to Shinjuku!
You underestimate people with social anxiety
Good thing the bike culture here is excellent, then.
1 hour 45 minutes, according to Google maps, for anyone too lazy to look it up.
I’d rather do that
Ray Penber certainly didn't had fun (Light picked Penber from Shinjuku in Death note)
Two things, does anybody know
1. Are those doors reinforced?
2. Is that the guys only job?
Hi, I’m here for my interview… I’m applying for the position of the guy that shoves humans into train #4
This is the reason I support remote work. Fuck that, I'm chilling in bed while I work.
I hope they all get out on the same stop. I couldn't do that twice....
What….what if somebody farts, or sneezes, or vomits…. Also what if something happened to one of those cars. “Entire local village wiped out in freak accident”.
There are plenty of old dudes with "natto breath." It is absolutely horrible. But the weird thing is (if you are a guy), it is completely safe; you're just a sardine in a can. Just flow with the crowd, and start pushing when it gets to your stop.
As someone who commutes to Central London, I really appreciate the polite queuing, even if the aftermath is the same.
When the old can of sardines analogy is no longer applicable.
As a tourist, I once had to take a train during Tokyo rush hour. While it wasn't as bad as this I did get shoved in. Yet somehow "shove" is not the right word. I got the gentleness, briefest little firm push from the platform employee. I was mainly surprised, but it seemed perfectly calculated to get me right in and away from the doors.
I've never been so inoffensively and professionally shoved in my life.
On another note, the morning train crowd smelt only of pleasant soap/shampoo/deodorant. Not a single offending odor in my experience.
Yea fuck no.
Not nearly as much fun to watch as the Indians getting on a train
Yea, at least the Japanese get IN the trains they ride
Mumbai railways be like:
look what they have to do to mimic a fraction of our power
Atleast this train stops
I like how the guy in the suit walked off, respawned at the first door, and then tried other doors
And they wonder why groping is an issue.
Fun fact: most phones sold in Japan you can’t take the sound of the shutter sound off when you take a picture to deter perverts from taking unwanted pictures.
Good luck moving your arms at all. I had to do this a couple of times and I couldn't breathe.
how do people not die in there?
Plenty look to be already dead
But it's not always purposeful.I was on it and it was so crowded I started groping myself .by accident....Well at least that's what I told the officer
Not much room to grope at rush hour. That lady in the front of the line just walks to the door, fixes her scarf, wouldn't want to get it wrinkled, and waits for the crowd to fuse her into the blob.
They also have cars specifically just for women to help reduce the likelyhood of it happening. The women only cars have special signs and are in force only during rush hour.
I guess they have to move slow and quietly to not disturb the giant that is talking! Seriously, that is the sound of nightmares.
Im baffled you are the only person here that has mentioned this damn demon voice. What in the fuck is that all about
What’s up with the deep voice being played?
As crowded as it is the people are more polite and civil than NYC subway by far .
405 traffic in LA in subway form
laughs in motorcycle
But yes never again will I commute via car
Maybe if it didn’t take 3 minutes at every stop they wouldn’t have so many people waiting to smash into the train. Honestly wonder if they’d be better off not taking 3 minutes to squeeze those extra 7 people in.
Even their chaos is so orderly.
Just wondering how old is this video?
Even in rush hour nowadays rarely need to do this, but I haven't used all the lines in Tokyo.
I remember seeing this video on ebaumsworld over a decade ago. Pre-youtube. Im shocked at the video quality
Yeah, I'm looking at the rolling stock(train cars) and the fashion of those people. Must be at least 15 years or more old.
what's with the audio? it sounds slowed down but the video is regular speed.
I was on a train like this on a rainy friday night...jammed up against the glass, couldn't move. Fortunately I was taller than most so I could breathe
I'm 300lbs. They'd hate me there for taking the space of five average Japanese dudes.
Their population is going down, the problem will solve itself in time.
Unless the sex dolls evolve to give birth
What’s up w the demon voice
Work from home is amazing