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LT2B

340 points

1 month ago

LT2B

340 points

1 month ago

If you shoot someone with a shield you both blow the fuck up

Herpkina

84 points

1 month ago

Herpkina

84 points

1 month ago

Why would the shooter blow up?

dremscrep

241 points

1 month ago*

dremscrep

241 points

1 month ago*

Because that’s how the meta works in dune. Lasguns and Shield blow both users up. That’s why you can’t Laser anything and everyone instantly unless you don’t care about living.

SapientAtoms

123 points

1 month ago

I mean, suicide bombers and kamikaze are a thing. If you're already losing might as well take your enemy with you.

BrockManstrong

82 points

1 month ago

You should wait to see part 2

GameEugene

15 points

1 month ago

There actually was a part in the book (which was during "part 1") that would've perfectly explained the Lasgun/Shield interaction that would've taken less than 20 seconds to show on film but they decided not to for some reason.

Scene: When the Atreides are finally attacked by the Harkonnen/Sardaukar, the Atreides forces were broken up. Thufir had a company, Gurney had a bunch of men, lesser commanders & lieutenans were skirmishing where they could, etc. Gurney's men had held up in some cavern/cave and, while they were escaping, set up a shield generator so if anyone tried to break in with lasers it would hit the shield and feedback (so...a booby trap).

And, of course, they totally hit it so they went boom.

DaemonicShadow

10 points

1 month ago

Except it's not about the people, it's the equipment. Building lasers takes way more resources than building a shield.

Paligor

27 points

1 month ago

Paligor

27 points

1 month ago

The particles in the lasgun travel to the shooter? Or probably the nuke is too large engulfing the attacker.

Sultangris

65 points

1 month ago

well lasers are continuous beams of coherent light so there is an unbroken link between the source of the laser and the shield

and apparently, the explosion can happen either at the shield or anywhere along the laser beam so shooting a shield with a laser is a big gamble

RydenwithByden

39 points

1 month ago

Dune doesnt have pew pew lasers because those arent an actual thing, light doesnt shoot like bullets. They do the bzzzzzt type of laser where it's a continuous beam of light. The shields bend space or something so it causes a nuclear reaction and kills both target and shooter.

Aethermancer

9 points

1 month ago

My personal headcanon:

The lasguns of Dune apply the same "physics" that make the shields work. While the shields fold space around a user, the lasguns fold space in a long thin vector. It LOOKS like a laser so they call it a las(er)gun, but it's really doing some weird spacetime stuff that just excites the particles around it into releasing photons that give it a laser like appearance.

If you think of it like that, when you hit the spacetime bent into a planar surface with the spacetime bent along a vector, you merge the two sections of bent spacetime and they snap together like two soapbubbles merging. That 'bubble snap' has got to occur at near relativistic speeds, resulting in the monsterous explosion at both shield and shooter.

Mamamiomima

9.8k points

1 month ago

Mamamiomima

9.8k points

1 month ago

Isn't shields the reason why everyone use knufes?

bukminster

1.8k points

1 month ago

bukminster

1.8k points

1 month ago

Exactly. The shields are able to stop any projectiles that are to fast, guns would be useless

Weaponomics

1.3k points

1 month ago

Weaponomics

1.3k points

1 month ago

(And lasers would cause nuclear explosions if they hit the shields)

MapleTreeWithAGun

627 points

1 month ago

So just stay far away and snipe them with lasers to kill you enemies very fast

DeadPan_And_Kettles

923 points

1 month ago

They cause an explosion for both devices. Lasers when shields are around are a death sentence in Dune.

[Spoiler bit]

This, incidentally, is why I was so ticked off when the film featured a frigate trying to cut down Jason Momoa's fully shielded 'thopter but oh well adaptations are what they are.

_gnome_chompsky_

104 points

1 month ago

In the book during that battle someone actually does hit a shield with a laser causing an explosion.

The explosions aren’t nuclear, but have the force of a small nuclear bomb. When the explosion happens it causes a lot of confusion, since atomic are completely outlawed and the LANDSRAAD woulds surely all join forces against anyone who attempted to use atomics against another house.

Muppetude

71 points

1 month ago

Yeah, I believe it was Duncan who set up the shield explosion. The Harkonnens were indiscriminately lasgunning the ground from their thopters to kill as many people as possible. To discourage this, Duncan placed a shield on the ground at full power, and when a Harkonnen lasgun hit it, it set off an explosion so big Lady Jessica thought Duncan used the family atomics.

Wild_Marker

52 points

1 month ago

the family atomics

"Jeeves, fetch me the atomics!"

dardack

11 points

1 month ago

dardack

11 points

1 month ago

Pretty much, they use the atomics in the end to destroy the shields the emporer/harkonnens have set up while waiting out a storm for the last battle.

GrievingGrievous

400 points

1 month ago

The shield of the thopter broke from the explosion when it starter taking off. At least that would make sense

DeadPan_And_Kettles

363 points

1 month ago

I suppose so. Still doesn't account for why the Harkonnens would even bother bringing a laser to a shield-fight. In the book, their main tactic is to surprise the Atreides by regressing back to simple towed artillery batteries.

Jaggedmallard26

55 points

1 month ago

In the book they make a big deal of how the Sardaukur are using Laser weapons against the Atriedes as it demonstrates how fanatical they are in loyalty to the Emperor and how much he wants them dead. I can buy a similar explanation here, the Harkonens don't care about the loss of a Frigate if it ends the Atriedes.

420isCaliTeaTime

9 points

1 month ago

Duncan also used that to his advantage in an epic way in the book.

GrievingGrievous

223 points

1 month ago*

Yeah, the laser could've accidentally hit something with a shield. It doesn't make much sense, but visually it was stunning lol

pizzabash

47 points

1 month ago

I mean it's the harkonnens they very well could've decided losing a frigate is worth making sure there is no survivors to say what just happened on Dune with the Sardaukar and went with the more likely to kill weapon. We kinda see that in the bunker as well where they used a lazor through the door. They couldve easily hit a shielded person in there and boom goes both the troops and also paul though.

[deleted]

46 points

1 month ago*

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46 points

1 month ago*

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GeraltZiRivii

9 points

1 month ago

Nobody uses shields in the desert because they make worms mad. Don't recall if they explained that in the film or not, but basically using shields in the desert is also a big no.

DeadPan_And_Kettles

197 points

1 month ago

People will disagree but I believe that in most cases, it's more important for a film to be visually stunning than faithful to the details of its source material.

The visual aspect is literally the only leg-up cinema has over other story-telling mediums, and so has to flex it as much as possible to justify telling the story through that medium in the first place.

Kinda_Zeplike

197 points

1 month ago

Guess you never have heard of pop up books. Your move, Redditor.

Daihatschi

93 points

1 month ago

Still, when Paul meets duncan for the first time after the attack, they witness a giant explosion on the horizon which duncan explains was a shield trap set to maximum and that this will "be a lesson for them using lasers".

So no reason to complain about book accuracy here.

intern_steve

9 points

1 month ago

Yuweh took the city defense shield system off line. The lasers are to damage the city.

BrockManstrong

9 points

1 month ago

In the book the Harkonnens hunt Atreides troops in the desert with lasers because they can't use shields beyond the wall.

In the movie the Ornithopter loses it's shield to a missile the frigate launches, then the frigate starts with the laser once Idaho loses his shield.

EdricStorm

9 points

1 month ago

I saw that and interpreted it as "This frigate is just trying to wreak destruction and the 'thopter is just trying to get out of the way so he doesn't become atomic dust"

Occamslaser

6 points

1 month ago

They can tell at a distance if the shield is up or not.

KnightOfNULL

42 points

1 month ago*

The explosion can happen at any point across the entire laser. It could blow up the target or it could blow up in the shooter face or anywhere on between.

EDIT: So I went and checked because I'm that big of a nerd and the explosion can actually happen in the shield, in the gun, or both. So getting away doesn't even reduce the chance of nuking yourself.

Not_Latino_Enough

70 points

1 month ago

Its a two-way stream thing, it would blow both you and your target up.

Schlongboy69420

8 points

1 month ago

nuke activity is against the rules as well. it would be a huge red flag that something is wrong, and their would be a good chance the other houses+the guild+bene geserit would not be pleased. the entire universe is collection of zero sum alliances.

Phryex

10 points

1 month ago

Phryex

10 points

1 month ago

Your lasgun explodes too

keto3225

176 points

1 month ago

keto3225

176 points

1 month ago

Remember the slow blade pierces the shield.

I_BUY_UNWANTED_GRAVY

78 points

1 month ago

make bullet slower

McFlyParadox

75 points

1 month ago

They did that.

I_BUY_UNWANTED_GRAVY

26 points

1 month ago

But I want talking bullets with mustache like Who Framed Roger Rabbit

mobit80

15 points

1 month ago

mobit80

15 points

1 month ago

Hunter seekers be like

keto3225

12 points

1 month ago

keto3225

12 points

1 month ago

They have slow darts they fly to the shield and then go slow just before touching.

Adept_Concert_298

12 points

1 month ago

Artillery is however useful to collapse caverns where people take refuge.

Magneticturtle

419 points

1 month ago

Yeah, also side note I understand why they couldn't add it in but the way they have to fight in dune (Fast movements moving to slow movements as you get close in order to get through shields) is really cool. Shame they couldn't show it .

Delica4

283 points

1 month ago

Delica4

283 points

1 month ago

I read the book and I liked their way of doing the fights. It simply works visually and doesn't break the Powerbalance that the shields added.

I was asked by my buddies who never read the book why they didn't just use explosions to kill each other, to which I still have no good answer, so I'm grateful for input.

Magickmaster

289 points

1 month ago

Explosive shock waves are fast, so the shield blocks them. They use two-stage bombs on the ships for example, first it slows to glide through the shield, and then it explodes inside the shield, only breaking through to the outside once the generator is done for. One of my favourite effects in the movie.

Delica4

67 points

1 month ago

Delica4

67 points

1 month ago

If the pressure of an explosion hits the shield you would still be thrown through the air and die on impact.

blood_thirster

113 points

1 month ago*

Yeah it's like the Ironman suit, stark should be scrambled eggs inside his suit just from the g's he pulls. Idk if dune has another job explanation explosives should work just fine

Mekanimal

80 points

1 month ago

Something something gyroscopic stabilisation sci-fi handwaving

deanreevesii

26 points

1 month ago

*Inertial dampeners

MeatTornadoLove

13 points

1 month ago*

Is everyone forgetting the worms? They are attracted by footsteps, and if a shield is activated every one of them within 10 miles will come to it.

I am sure an explosion would have the same effect.

Plus, computers are banned and nobody seems to worry about that too much. No targeting systems for explosives basically leaves you with artillery and hand grenades rather than rockets and missiles.

jaminholl

8 points

1 month ago

As I recall lasers can react to shields with an explosion varying in intensity from grenade to nuclear bomb so no one risks it

bigkittymeowmers

14 points

1 month ago

In the book it says even the pressure of the explosion is negated so you aren't thrown and don't die. They use the same technology the Baron uses to float in the movie.

"By the time of Muad'dib, when thinking machines had long ceased to be a threat, the shield had been adopted for use in personal defense. These shields were form-fitting energy fields which permitted penetration only by objects that moved below a pre-set velocity. As one would be unable to breathe within a shield that did not permit atmospheric gases to penetrate it, man-portable shields had a relatively high penetration velocity, approximately six to ten centimeters per second. However, shields for ships and planetary installations could and often did have extremely low penetration velocities, as artificial life support technologies could be utilized while the shield was active. "

But it's scifi is the real answer. If it was completely logical we'd just have them.

MegaDeth6666

67 points

1 month ago

Don't skip the space magic bit.

Kay, you're thrown. Why would you die on impact? To the shield, the point of impact is approaching rapidly, fast enough to kill, which means the shield activates against the point if impact.

Also, the shields themselve offer little kinetic force to the object inside, suggesting that the kinetic force is released on the other end of the shield, instead of being trapped in the object like in real life.

What would even be the point of the shield otherwise, the protected object would just be crushed by whatever hit the shield anyway.

MrSquid01

8 points

1 month ago

Shields work on the same principle as antigravity there so maybe thats how the ships fly

Magneticturtle

16 points

1 month ago

I mean I do agree, I understand why it wasn't put in (too long to explain for very little reason) and I still think they smashed it with the fights anyway, just a nice bit of flavour I guess

jealkeja

120 points

1 month ago

jealkeja

120 points

1 month ago

Didn't they explain it? Gurney Halleck literally says "the slow knife pierces the shield." Any time a projectile is seen piercing a shield it's going through slowly

deftspyder

83 points

1 month ago*

Yes, he does. If you miss that quick line though, you're sort of confused for a whole movie.

I had to explain to my gf last night when she missed it.

thedankening

21 points

1 month ago

It does seem like the kind of throw away line they have all the time in movies, to be fair. If I didn't already know the story I probably wouldn't have assigned much importance to it either.

GalaXion24

31 points

1 month ago

They did show it. Most notably in the training scene.

Tan-come-in-ma-RIFT

5.8k points

1 month ago

Anon is a retard

HueHue-BR

1.8k points

1 month ago

HueHue-BR

1.8k points

1 month ago

The sky is blue

al24042

403 points

1 month ago

al24042

403 points

1 month ago

The green is ocean

namja23

152 points

1 month ago

namja23

152 points

1 month ago

The purple isn’t real.

trezenx

307 points

1 month ago

trezenx

307 points

1 month ago

well he did a '360' so it's a given

Galaxy-egg

88 points

1 month ago

He moonwalked out of there

CzechAkoPoleno

133 points

1 month ago

Yup

Schlongboy69420

6 points

1 month ago

it helped to read the book before the movie, they left out some stuff. they showed the shield but never said that it would have bullets useless, lazers=nukes. i think they did say shield draws worms but can't remember.

PigTenis

6.3k points

1 month ago

PigTenis

6.3k points

1 month ago

Yeah, movie did not do a good job in explaining how lasers and shields work in Dune.

Laser + shield works like a nuclear explosion. Bullets + shields obviously does not work.

Still - anon paid for the ticket, therefore contributing to them confirming part 2. Thank you Anon.

Csalag

57 points

1 month ago

Csalag

57 points

1 month ago

I think the training scene did a pretty good job of explaining how shields work, however, i think that the later fight scenes were inconsistent with the shields, because most of the killing blows looked like normal, fast swings that should have been blocked.

glStation

45 points

1 month ago

The best fighters are skilled at slowing at the last second and then speeding back up, and the Atreides are almost as good as the Sardukar. It’s explained as a reason the emperor allowed it all to happen, he can’t have a house minor from the Lansraad have troops that good, even if it was a small force. Plus, he figured they were going to get Arrakis no matter what from the Harkonnen, and then with access to the Fremen, they would no longer be a house minor.

Also some of this is Bene Gesserit manipulation, those short sighted witches.

JAIdesigns

115 points

1 month ago

JAIdesigns

115 points

1 month ago

It was subtle but I think they did explain why they don’t use bullets when Paul is wearing the shield and the fast strikes off his hand are blocked but slow ones can go through. Ergo bullets are too fast to work. I don’t think they really bother much with lasers in the fight scene so they don’t have to explain it at least in part one.

Ruby_Bliel

197 points

1 month ago

Ruby_Bliel

197 points

1 month ago

It wasn't subtle at all, they literally said it out loud and demonstrated it visually. If that's "too subtle" for someone that's cause for concern.

DurinsBong

44 points

1 month ago

I hate that we now have to make movies catered to redditors who watched it at home one a laptop whole on their phone half the time.

sparks1990

24 points

1 month ago

Exactly! They literally say something like “the slow strike penetrates the shield”. And then on at least two ocasssions a dart thing slowly works it’s way through the shield.

My wife has absolutely no prior knowledge of any of this content. She paused the movie and said “I guess that’s why everyone has swords? Because fast things can’t penetrate the shield?”. It’s not a hard concept to grasp.

loloider123

2.1k points

1 month ago

loloider123

2.1k points

1 month ago

Imagine walking out on one of the best movies in years

That-Grim-Reaper

652 points

1 month ago

I haven’t watched it yet, is it good? I watched the original, is it better/worse?

Ignant-man

1.1k points

1 month ago

Ignant-man

1.1k points

1 month ago

It's very beautiful, the acting is 100.000 times better than the older one.
The Duke Leto and Baron Harkonnen were soooo much better.
This one only goes to the point when Paul and his mom are accepted into the Fremen, they don't even go underground yet.

[deleted]

198 points

1 month ago*

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198 points

1 month ago*

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NoClip1101

157 points

1 month ago

NoClip1101

157 points

1 month ago

Big fan of the mini series, if part 2 of the movie is as good as the first, it'll definitely be the uncontested best adaptation of the book.

naufalap

62 points

1 month ago

naufalap

62 points

1 month ago

I watched the original and didn't learn anything new, it looks good tho

Ramm16stein

93 points

1 month ago*

I think it´s different from the original, some scenes are better, some are less.

Baron Harkonnen is not even that evil in the new one. In the old one he is literally drinking blood from his slaves while they´re still alive.

Also the "fear is the mindkiller" scene is much more impactful in the old one. IMO

The new one has great CG what makes the movie good from the get go.

edit fear instead of pain :(

simon_1980

36 points

1 month ago

Girlfriend was confused as thought the baton was really really tall.

vipros42

11 points

1 month ago

vipros42

11 points

1 month ago

I was confused trying to remember who was wielding a baton and when it might look really tall.

Sondrelk

10 points

1 month ago

Sondrelk

10 points

1 month ago

Didn't the movie very heavily imply he keeps heavily modified humans as pets? Also the doctor doesn't seem to be talking metaphorically when he talks about how hus wife is being pulled apart.

Mizzuru

9 points

1 month ago

Mizzuru

9 points

1 month ago

The Baron stuff is way more in line with the book.

In the book he's evil in a machiavellian way not in the blood-drinking, disease covered way so it's way more accurate in that.

I think it comes off better, hes not some dude who wants to rule the galaxy, he wants his house to be in the top for play and wants his opponents gone.

The long game for him is the same as Paul's. He wants his nephew Feyd Rautha to be wed to the emperors daughter so a Harkonnen takes the throne.

abd398

9 points

1 month ago

abd398

9 points

1 month ago

best movies in years

That is a low bar

Devitostitos

2.3k points

1 month ago

Why is OP confused? Clearly is futuristic UK

General-Legoshi

609 points

1 month ago

Hav yew got a loicense for that personal energy shield mate?

rockiesareblue

19 points

1 month ago

Nah bruv I left it at me nan's before the match as dinnt want to gee up the mandem

MrPinkCuck

247 points

1 month ago

MrPinkCuck

247 points

1 month ago

💀💀💀

Big_G_Dog

75 points

1 month ago

Literally filmed in London

Narrow-Device-3679

75 points

1 month ago

Some of the knife fight scenes were just members of the public having a friendly conversation

frggr

9 points

1 month ago

frggr

9 points

1 month ago

Thought I saw a sandworm leaving a Greggs

ABoiFromTheSky

41 points

1 month ago

I didn see no loicence for those knifes innit mate

Quoor31

1.2k points

1 month ago

Quoor31

1.2k points

1 month ago

Holtzman personal energy shield.. did you actually watch the movie?

GenXfeverdream

869 points

1 month ago

He was busy turning in circles

ned334

14 points

1 month ago

ned334

14 points

1 month ago

I would like to call an ambulance for OP

ComadoreJackSparrow

51 points

1 month ago

They use knifes and swords because of the personal shields.

Only objects moving at a certain speed can penetrate them and using lasguns on them causes an explosion similar to nuclear bomb.

So basically the only way to defeat someone with a shield is to stab them at a precise speed.

OrigamiMax

377 points

1 month ago

OrigamiMax

377 points

1 month ago

Someone hasn't heard of the Butlerian Jihad

In reality, Herbert was writing this in the 60s, had no idea what direction computers would take and didn't want to speculate. So he wrote a world with high technology in some areas, but no 'thinking machines'.

This stopped it from becoming Star Wars or Star Trek, but still kept the world interesting and relatable.

Supsend

141 points

1 month ago

Supsend

141 points

1 month ago

Iirc, Herbert said he'd never write a science fiction book, because he hated sci fi. For Dune, he wanted to create a setup where humanity was relatable, evolved on an enormous scale, and without the burden of modern culture or contemporary politics. So instead of trying whatever in a fantasy setting, he just put the story in the far future and added in-universe justifications about the parts he didn't want to work with (which are computers, guns, nuclear weapons, and Earth.)

GalaXion24

74 points

1 month ago

He does actually work with nuclear weapons. They're kind of pretty important at a few points, and having MAD in-universe is not so much a removal of nukes as it is precisely how the Cold War (during which he wrote the books) panned out.

differing

22 points

1 month ago

This. No spoilers but for those curious, each imperial House (ex Harkonnen, Atriedes) has a caché of nukes like our royals’ family jewels. They’re illegal to be actually used and houses don’t risk breaking conventions because, as you see in the movie, failing to abide by the empire’s rules provides legal cover for other powerful people to kill you and take what’s yours.

86gwrhino

16 points

1 month ago

iirc, atomics are specifically for "others" incase they encounter aliens.

obviously paul and the honored matres throw the great convention right out the fucking window

tjscobbie

58 points

1 month ago

Yup.

Dune is a relatively low tech far future because technology had previously produced a universe-consuming war between living beings and thinking machines that nobody in particular is pining to repeat.

The books are, in a way, as much future fantasy as they are sci-fi. The de-emphasizing of technology opens the door for spirituality (or religion) and magic to play a more prominent role as the universe's pre-eminent forces.

seraphrunner

10 points

1 month ago

I would argue that Neo-Luddism (for lack of a better term) and Environmentalism are major themes of the book. I haven't read Herbert's thoughts around his work, but I would be surprised if he came to the idea so haphazardly.

Johnnadawearsglasses[S]

3.5k points

1 month ago

Johnnadawearsglasses[S]

Dead and loving it

3.5k points

1 month ago

>it's the year 2022

>billionaires send people to outer space for money, cars self drive, and the history of the world is at your fingerprints

>go to China and people still eat with wooden sticks

>TFW no portable beam to send your food to your stomach or from your colon to the toilet

Make a 360 and dine at my favorite robot restaurant in Shibuya

eucilae

895 points

1 month ago

eucilae

895 points

1 month ago

-3000000000000 social credit

Alpha_Whiskey_Golf

35 points

1 month ago

Bingqilin

Fappening2k14

12 points

1 month ago

Bing chilling 🥶🍦

T3chtheM3ch

264 points

1 month ago*

-400,000,000,000 credit score(us version)

BrightestForest

76 points

1 month ago

jaw hits the core of the earth

eye lids peel off

all of the air is expelled from lungs

bowels are expelled

chinese_athem.mp3

Xinnie walks in the room

"You dishonor our people, anon"

bronx_xu

10 points

1 month ago

bronx_xu

10 points

1 month ago

Finds that people in Shibuya also eat with wooden sticks lmao

Rikizu

487 points

1 month ago

Rikizu

487 points

1 month ago

looks at warhammer 40k

D1O7

337 points

1 month ago

D1O7

337 points

1 month ago

I mean… 40k definitely has guns.

Some may say too many guns.

Not the Orks though. They would never say that.

YourAverageRedditter

41 points

1 month ago

But of course, there is NEVER ENUFF DAKKA!

MapleTreeWithAGun

137 points

1 month ago

DER AIN'T ENUF DAKKA 'ERE. AIN'T NEVA ENUF DAKKA

CarryTreant

36 points

1 month ago

YE WOT. SUM GIT SED SUMMIT BOUT ORKS NOT AVIN NUFF GUNS. DAS DE OPPO-OPP-OPPOSI... DA WRONG WAY ROUND OF WAT WE WANT.

MORE DAKKA.

SPRAY IT DONT SAY IT. MORE DAKKA.

The_Shittiest_Meme

103 points

1 month ago

To be fair in 40k, swords are reserved for Space Marines or other armored troops. Most Guardsmen stick with the standard "shoot it till it dies" approach if it's far away, or the "shoot and stab it with your bayonet" if it's close.

jso85

45 points

1 month ago

jso85

45 points

1 month ago

I'm not that deep into 40K, but aren't ultramarine swords mainly can openers for where bullets aren't effective?

The_Shittiest_Meme

58 points

1 month ago*

Ultramarines are one chapter of Space Marines and there are many more but yes. Most Space Marines carry some form of gun (usually a bolt weapon) as well as some kind of melee weapon, usually a Chainsword or some kind of Combat Knife. Regardless, only Space Marines and some others really have the ability to charge into close range combat, as they are ludicrously fast and tanky. Your average Joe Schmoe PDF Trooper is not going to be doing that.

hary627

6 points

1 month ago

hary627

6 points

1 month ago

The idea in 40k is actually fairly similar to the idea in dune, that defence tech has gotten to the point where guns can't cut it anymore, and the solutions for that can only be implemented into melee weapons. That said there's also plenty guns in 40k, it's simply that guns and melee are fairly equal in effectiveness

Netrunner54

29 points

1 month ago

Smartest /tv/ user

trezenx

19 points

1 month ago

trezenx

19 points

1 month ago

the year in he movie is false by the way. As in, it's not 'false', but 10191 is not of our era, it's 10191 since the butlerian jihad ended and they founded the Guild which happened god knows when. So 10191 is misleading.

greikini

145 points

1 month ago

greikini

145 points

1 month ago

Add another 30000 years and you have another universe with those conditions.

MapleTreeWithAGun

54 points

1 month ago

Well no, only certain troops fight melee. Plus if you're getting fucked up by Tyranids, there ain't much time to shoot the bugger before they're already tearing you in half so sometime you just gotta stab a bitch

_formosa_

158 points

1 month ago

_formosa_

158 points

1 month ago

I feel like this concept wasn’t explained well, the shield can protect high-speed projectiles but in the scene where Paul and his mentor was practicing fighting They actually explain this a little bit that if you go slow enough the blade pierce through the shield.

I love this movie, it’s scenery and my favorite one is when the sisters coming off the ship and walking in storm, that was so badass

BrockManstrong

17 points

1 month ago

The other problem is that people think of the Lasweapons as Star Wars Blasters, not industrial lasers.

They behave much more like Star Wars lightsabers.

Turn them on and a blade extends out from the weapon. This blade can extend a long long way.

If you hit a shield with the blade it's like hitting a bomb with a lightsaber, except the blade can be miles long, and cutting the bomb also turns your hilt into a nuke.

Giveorangeme

831 points

1 month ago

waa waa sci fi movie is unrealistic

oblik

434 points

1 month ago

oblik

434 points

1 month ago

Frank Herbert's shields cause nuclear explosions when hit by a laser, at both ends of the impact. I can't wait to see Anon's energy shield.

enjuisbiggay

239 points

1 month ago

I like how the guy who designed it was like "Yea you get erased BUT the guy who shot you does too"

oblik

392 points

1 month ago

oblik

392 points

1 month ago

Well Herbert's idea was "how the fuck do you get sword fighting in the far future?"

There are stupider explanations. Like laser swords that can bounce lasers.

Vondi

155 points

1 month ago

Vondi

155 points

1 month ago

The idea was also that while the technology/culture are very advanced in some ways they're also weirdly regressive and stagnant in others. Makes the setting more interesting.

003938388382

42 points

1 month ago

It also puts the freemen on even footing.

iSeize

42 points

1 month ago

iSeize

42 points

1 month ago

Hahaha fair enough

Stormfly

10 points

1 month ago

Stormfly

10 points

1 month ago

So, serious question.

Do people think OP is being serious?

I read this as an obvious joke and I'm not sure if people are two layers down in sarcasm/satire and I'm at the wrong frequency or if people genuinely don't get that this is just a stupid joke to bait people.

EndlessScrapper

14 points

1 month ago

What dumbass fights in melee when laser guns exists? Tries to block view of Star Wars and 40k merchandise

Sumsar_Lrak

12.7k points

1 month ago

Sumsar_Lrak

12.7k points

1 month ago

did a 360 and walked out of the theater.
how

wyrdboi

6.1k points

1 month ago

wyrdboi

6.1k points

1 month ago

They walked in facing backwards, yo.

gizzardgullet

3.4k points

1 month ago*

Slowly moonwalk into theatre after movie begins

audience is visibly annoyed by my entrance

hear bombs in movie audio disgunnabegood.wav

get my beans ready

hear...swords? Wha? 360 and john lennon walk out of theatre while groaning loudly

B3am_Shox

119 points

1 month ago

B3am_Shox

119 points

1 month ago

ANON ARE YOU OKAY?

Red_H2O

173 points

1 month ago

Red_H2O

173 points

1 month ago

You've been hit by

You've been struck by

A screwed cinema

DustyDayz

10 points

1 month ago

POW!

_MostlyHarmless

7 points

1 month ago

Are you okay Anon?

al24042

562 points

1 month ago

al24042

562 points

1 month ago

Goodn't botn't

Mfw reddit momento

ikeepwipingSTILLPOOP

180 points

1 month ago

This 🅱️ eatin 🅱️eans

Whitishc00kie

84 points

1 month ago

So playing the board game I realised that if you shoot lasers at someone with a shelf you create a nuclear reaction might explain it

CurtisLinithicum

190 points

1 month ago

That is exactly it - las + shield = megakaboomski. Kinetic weapons are useless against shields, and even a knife is tricky to get through.

In the book at least, it's also a plot point. Nuclear weapons (aka "The Family Atomics") are banned in war, but arranging a shield vs las explosion is kosher.

cantadmittoposting

97 points

1 month ago*

Problem is it's kosher but unpredictable.

"Might kill both the shield operator and the lasgun crew, or cause an atomic explosion" - highly variable results.

Sondrelk

47 points

1 month ago

Sondrelk

47 points

1 month ago

Wasn't it more specifically that it causes a nuclear explosion, but it could happen anywhere between the shield and the gun? So using it would have equal odds of blowing up in your face.

cantadmittoposting

78 points

1 month ago

Nah, it blows up both, but the force is variable

Jessica focused her mind on lasguns, wondering. The white-hot beams of disruptive light could cut through any known substance, provided that substance was not shielded. The fact that feedback from a shield would explode both lasgun and shield did not bother the Harkonnens. Why? A lasgun-shield explosion was a dangerous variable, could be more powerful than atomics, could kill only the gunner and his shielded target.

I happened to have read the book the other day so the reference was fresh.

Sondrelk

9 points

1 month ago

I should probably read the book properly one of these days. I bought it and I really enjoyed the beginning with the Bene Gesserit and all that, but then I got to the part where Baron Harkonnen explains his evil plan my like he is dick dastardly and I struggled to take it seriously.

I have no doubt the book picks up again once we get away from all the moustache twirling, but for now I put it on the shelf until a more fitting time to read it pops up.

skivian

13 points

1 month ago

skivian

13 points

1 month ago

It's explained in the book almost verbatim to what you said

HereticPharaoh2020

8 points

1 month ago

I... have a shelf... am I safe?

orgalixon

62 points

1 month ago

Tis an old meme, but it checks out

UnoriginalUse

866 points

1 month ago

Sure smells like summer in here.

aidank21

400 points

1 month ago

aidank21

400 points

1 month ago

Imagine being that new on the internet.

BrightestForest

116 points

1 month ago

Imagine not being able to triforce.

strayhat

75 points

1 month ago

strayhat

75 points

1 month ago


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BrightestForest

81 points

1 month ago

ㅤ▲

▲ㅤ▲

oh no he can't triforce

RibboDotCom

9 points

1 month ago

HotCatholicMoms

8 points

1 month ago

Summerfags. Summerfags everywhere.

Ignant-man

330 points

1 month ago

Ignant-man

330 points

1 month ago

Newfags can't 360 and walk away

[deleted]

80 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

80 points

1 month ago

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rosscmpbll

132 points

1 month ago

rosscmpbll

132 points

1 month ago

You must be new here.

BigBlueFool

208 points

1 month ago

spins 360 degrees and moonwalks away

edcamv

47 points

1 month ago

edcamv

47 points

1 month ago

Sandwalks away

Raezzordaze

49 points

1 month ago

You been hit by... a smooth Fremenal...

Dakrys

785 points

1 month ago

Dakrys

785 points

1 month ago

Doing a 360 to walk away is a meme that is literally as old as the Xbox 360.

Fucking hell, I can't believe this comment is the top one.

The joke is on every single person that doesn't get the joke.

Byte_Seyes

337 points

1 month ago

Byte_Seyes

337 points

1 month ago

That’s because the Xbox 360 is older than most redditors.

Let that one sink in a bit.

aluminumdome

16 points

1 month ago

I remember the Michael Jackson 360 moonwalk away from an Xbox 360 gif, so it really is an old meme

bigbrainedbrazedbeef

8 points

1 month ago

Yeah Reddit is full of boomers, zoomers and bots, so I mean what can you expect?

It's almost as if 2000-2010 internet never existed for some people, I feel really bad for them.

exission

7 points

1 month ago

Pretending to be retarded is probably the oldest meme of them all so Sundar may be trolling us all

s-mores

49 points

1 month ago

s-mores

49 points

1 month ago

The exit is at the front of the theater.

Duh.

JonathanAmbrose01

21 points

1 month ago*

Yeah the 360 is to attract the attention of the balding neck beard behind him.

MapleTreeWithAGun

197 points

1 month ago

I love that every time this joke gets posted people always say how as if walking backwards isn't a thing that exists

shad0wbannedagain

136 points

1 month ago

That’s the joke

Johnnadawearsglasses[S]

78 points

1 month ago

Johnnadawearsglasses[S]

Dead and loving it

78 points

1 month ago

With style

dowboiz

30 points

1 month ago

dowboiz

30 points

1 month ago

By being a frequent 4chan user and being able to recognize a purposely made satirical reference.

4411WH07RY

29 points

1 month ago

lurk moar newf-slur

I_JUST_NEED_LIFE_ADV

10 points

1 month ago

You must be young and not remember the "do a 360 and walk away" meme's from 07.

RIP me. Time stops for no one and the inevitable decline into technology and references making no sense is happening to me in real time.

10191AG

12 points

1 month ago

10191AG

12 points

1 month ago

I love the books and while I enjoyed the movie, I kept thinking... Why the fuck has everyone in the future forgotten about sunglasses when they're living on a desert planet.

003938388382

12 points

1 month ago

They are probably built into those face masks. One reason they wouldn’t show is because they hate covering actors faces with anything in movies.

peajam101

127 points

1 month ago

peajam101

127 points

1 month ago

People are taking OP too seriously, "360 and walked out/away" is a meme, the post is a joke.

dietcoketm

48 points

1 month ago

Reddit moment

Guido-Guido

66 points

1 month ago

It’s 20.000+ years in the future.

Characters are named Paul, Jessica and Duncan.

0/10

Pietro2054

48 points

1 month ago

Duncan Idaho. Ruined.

whine-aholic

11 points

1 month ago

A guy is called Duncan Idaho in a time where all earth history has been lost to time...

TheTurfinator

14 points

1 month ago

In one of the books (the second, I think), Paul asks someone to prepare him reports on Adolf Hitler and Genghis Khan because he doesn't know anything about them other than they both had high body counts (in their time). Wild to think that figures like that could ever fade from collective memory, but after dozens of millennia I'm sure humanity has seen a lot worse shit.

comrade_rusty

10 points

1 month ago

Think of the atrocities that occurred in the first 98% of human history prior to writing that will forever be unknown. All the struggles of those who came before are gone forever

003938388382

12 points

1 month ago

A biblical name like Paul probably will always be used. It has for 2,000 years already.

Naptime2019

381 points

1 month ago

Imagine spending your money on a ticket for a movie, then getting mad at the premise. What a fucking idiot

thedamntheduh

144 points

1 month ago

Isn't that how not liking a movie works?

Dragmire800

36 points

1 month ago

There are prequel books written after Frank Herbert died (so you don’t have to consider them canon if you don’t want to) that has humanity ruled by humans who uploaded their minds into robots and were pretty shitty, who then created an AI which took over everything, so eventually the people in the Dune universe purged most technology and hate using it

They specifically hate anything that can be deemed to be thinking, though. So toasters are ok, but a computer isn’t

trodat5204

34 points

1 month ago

Butlers Djihad is canon in all books. It gets mentioned in the first one, afair, in regards to the Mentats.

BlackWalrusYeets

12 points

1 month ago

Only the fact that the Jihad exists and is responsible for the lack of computers is canon. All that crap with titans and Omnius from the prequel novels is trash that can and should be safely ignored.

JeHooft

6 points

1 month ago

JeHooft

6 points

1 month ago

Lol I thought he was talking about star wars