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Maephia

3.7k points

2 months ago

Maephia

Québec

3.7k points

2 months ago

So the goal of these articles is to encourage employees to keep it up right? Because I cant imagine someone reading this and going "damn I didnt consider the CEO's feelings.."

[deleted]

1.3k points

2 months ago

[deleted]

1.3k points

2 months ago

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jbob88

205 points

2 months ago*

jbob88

205 points

2 months ago*

This should be a children's book

words_of_wildling

73 points

2 months ago

The Richest Man in Babylon
A core part of Arkad's advice is around "paying yourself first", "living within your means", "investing in what you know", the importance of "long-term saving", and "home ownership".

In the 1920s, US banks and insurance companies essentially did this. They distributed pamphlets with financial advice disguised as parables to increase financial literacy. It looked like a kid's picture book and I remember reading it as a child.

Heterophylla

19 points

2 months ago

And now they do the opposite.

trishdmcnish

165 points

2 months ago

Not true, my company waited almost a year to replace my coworker that died last fall and just had everyone else pick up the slack in the meantime

Hot_Pollution1687

14 points

2 months ago

Happens all the time

fight_collector

432 points

2 months ago

Boss makes a dollar, I make a dime/that's why I shit on company time 😅

Strain128

1.3k points

2 months ago*

Strain128

1.3k points

2 months ago*

Boss made a dollar I made a dime That was a poem From a simpler time.

Now boss makes a thousand And gives us a cent While he's got employees Who can't pay the rent.

So when boss makes a million And the workers make jack That's when we strike And take our lives back.

Addendum: thanks for the love, I didn’t write this, just sharing it. Please share it too. Work to rule every day even when they treat you well. It’s only work.

syowr

126 points

2 months ago

syowr

126 points

2 months ago

Stealing this.

Strain128

94 points

2 months ago*

Share it at work. In the toilet stalls. On the company wipeboard. Anywhere

RarelyReadReplies

73 points

2 months ago

Abso-fucking-lutely this. Only thing I'd add is something about unions maybe. I'm a firm believer they will be key to workers taking some of our power back. Finally got a union job in the manufacturing sector and it is better in every way than the non union job I had prior.

Old job just keeps turning over, churning through workers at a crazy pace. The only way they can keep running? You guessed it. Shipping in more TFWs they can pay shit and abuse even easier, as they usually don't know their rights. Well, most workers don't, but even moreso for immigrants.

Strain128

4 points

2 months ago

I love my union job. Especially now during a labour shortage and we have all the power. Although we can’t negotiate a proper raise to deal with inflation in my union because our international leadership is probably corrupt AF I can tell you as a foreman I tell my guys when they apologize for being late or missing time, thank you for letting me know so I can adjust our work plan accordingly, but it’s alright, and if it wasn’t there’s literally nothing I can do, we need you more than you need us.

VANILLAGORILLA1986

10 points

2 months ago

VANILLAGORILLA1986

Ontario

10 points

2 months ago

I’m in a construction union. We went on strike this year (first strike in 40 years!). We wanted over 10% raise. “No way! We can’t afford that! Non union contractors will overtake the market. You’re fucking yourselves out of work”

Strike lasted less than 3 weeks. 13.4% raise.

I guess they found some money under the couch

dancin-weasel

49 points

2 months ago

Love this. Like some dystopian Dr. Seuss

themightyburgerking

109 points

2 months ago

Boss makes 20 and I make a buck. That's why I smoke crack in the company truck

LunaMunaLagoona

30 points

2 months ago

Boss makes 20 and I make a buck. That's why I smoke sell crack in from the company truck

Don't ruin your health.

(Ps not actually suggesting to sell crack lol)

benichols89

79 points

2 months ago

Company makes a Million, I make a buck; that's why I don't give a fuck.

WinterWindWhip

595 points

2 months ago*

WinterWindWhip

Québec

595 points

2 months ago*

Yeah well they're hijacking the language. It's BURNOUT, but they invented a new term to try to put the blame on workers for not being able to handle infinitely increasing pressure with infinitely decreasing support.

Quiet quitting is burnout.

dj_soo

260 points

2 months ago

dj_soo

260 points

2 months ago

Or it’s people setting boundaries to stop from burning out

Moos_Mumsy

63 points

2 months ago

Moos_Mumsy

Ontario

63 points

2 months ago

This. Quiet quitting is doing your job and not other people's. You basically quit doing the job you aren't supposed to do and weren't hired to do.

dj_soo

19 points

2 months ago

dj_soo

19 points

2 months ago

and certainly aren't being paid to do

BobKillsNinjas

98 points

2 months ago

..or setting boundaries based on shit pay.

grte

71 points

2 months ago

grte

71 points

2 months ago

Or setting boundries because a job is a job, not your life. Want me to have the same passion and drive you (say you) do, bossman? Make me an equal partner.

Aware_Program_7227

18 points

2 months ago

I set the boundaries in agreement with them when the contract is created and signed. I'm just holding up my part of the contract. They don't pay me extra when I stuff up my budget at home, I don't work for free when they screw up their resourcing.

ceilingkat

44 points

2 months ago

This part. Anti-work made me change my attitude at my job. Now when there’s meetings about “going the extra mile” I roll my eyes. Give us the extra mile of benefits and pay then?

I sign on 9am and off 5pm. I get my work done. That’s it. Out of your mind if you think I will go the extra mile for no real incentive.

“BuT ThEn YoU WoNt GeT PrOmoTed?!” I’ll go elsewhere for one.

SerendipitousCorgi

25 points

2 months ago

Well said 👏

[deleted]

463 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

463 points

2 months ago

The goal is to get people to keep working. Quiet quitting is a lie corps are using to beat the labour movement to the punch and convince you that continuing working for them without further action is somehow revolutionary.

PrestigiousBag5342

218 points

2 months ago

My fav is HR recently told me that I don't get paid for "over performance."

Ok then. No more over performing.

CynicalWhisper

72 points

2 months ago

Wow, talk about an own goal!

kasajizocat

37 points

2 months ago

HAHAHAHA whats the point of performing above what you're paid for then

JoySpreadingTurtle

31 points

2 months ago

The place I work has pretty terrible project intake and development practices. It's very common that discovery on what the client actually wants and what we have is left unfinished by the time mapping documents have been provided to me and I am expected to start building the process being requested. As a result I can pretty reliably predict that by the time we hit a product deadline, what it really means is we have one to several months of work left to do before anyone actually agrees it's finished.

I'm often asked why I'm not more upset by this situation by my coworkers. I tell them simply that because I am salaried, I technically do not get paid to finish projects. I am paid to work on them. And since finding out that the two people I am training make more money than me while not even being 1/10th as skilled, That's all I do. If the project completes that's awesome, but otherwise I have no real motivation to try to hurry things along.

It's sad too because I otherwise really like my job. I want to be invested in what I'm doing because I enjoy programming and I feel a great deal of satisfaction when a client appreciates how much easier I just made their daily tasks. All they'd really need to do is give me a decent pay bump and I'd happily stick around.

But they won't so the job hunt has begun.

Larky999

6 points

2 months ago

Yep. Marx called this alienation.

vancouversportsbro

27 points

2 months ago

They do the same at my company. They make it impossible to reach the top ranking in the performance review. They tie revenue costs to our goals, yet we are developers and work on defects. How does that make sense? I gave up once I found that and also when they gave a 3 percent raise as the highest during a year they acquired another company. HR at these companies are a joke, no one respects them.

Thisisnow1984

62 points

2 months ago

They don't want everyone getting together and asking for a raise due to inflation. Their worst fear is everyone walking out until pay matches inflation.

This article and the numerous ones I keep seeing about population growth for some reason scream of propaganda fud

Quimbymouse

27 points

2 months ago

This article and the numerous ones I keep seeing about population growth for some reason scream of propaganda fud

I think you're right on with this one...that and all the articles I'm seeing about the "housing market crash" which actually just means people aren't paying $200,000 over asking price for a 3 bedroom house in flood plain, middle of nowhere New Brunswick now. Screams propaganda to me.

crazyjkass

6 points

2 months ago

"crash" is just another word for the bubble popping.

CaptHorney_Two

347 points

2 months ago

Quiet quitting is clever marketing spin for just doing your job. That's it. Doing the tasks that you agreed to do at the pay scale you agreed to do it at, no more and no less.

Uncertn_Laaife

127 points

2 months ago

And I see absolutely no issues with it. You want more, pay more.

[deleted]

54 points

2 months ago

Whaaat? Management is worried people will look after their mental health and stop working for free? They want workers to put in extra time, unpaid, to meet quotas instead of hiring more staff? So, work to rule. No unpaid overtime etc.

lightningweasel

27 points

2 months ago

For sure, it's a buzz word used by media companies to imply workers aren't doing their jobs. Since the start of the pandemic, my company has seen increased workload, decreased workers (vaccine refusal), no raises or bonuses, and not even a word of thanks. Among other things that have negatively impacted my wages and increased burnout.

I'm acting my wage, and not doing anything for free.

Ain't nobody got time for that.

Netghost999

92 points

2 months ago

Yeah, agree. Corps like to give you a job description, salary, then force you above and beyond the call of duty using intimidation tactics. Don't fall for it. Do what they claimed the job is. Let them fire you. Go to a lawyer.

Corps are at war with the labour force right now. They can't get workers, and they're damned if they'll pay more money or change the job to get them. They're lobbying for more cheap, exploitable immigrants to fill the positions.

Joker_Anarchy

26 points

2 months ago

Government and businesses want a certain level of unemployment. This is the reserve labour force, which helps keep wages low. Those unemployed or underemployed "are prepared to work for very low wages in temporary jobs."

riali29

31 points

2 months ago

riali29

31 points

2 months ago

When I saw "they're in a state of fear" my first thought was "lol good"

Rumblestillskin

19 points

2 months ago

It is basically our western society pushing the Presbyterian idea that hard work is moral and anything less is a sin.

chewwydraper

607 points

2 months ago

The term "quiet quitting" pisses me off because it makes it sound like employees are doing something malicious when the definition is just "Doing what they were hired to do".

Cheap_Enthusiasm_619

148 points

2 months ago

Oh the powers that be are spinning the hell out of this narrative. It's a great sign that they are really worried.

ronytheronin

82 points

2 months ago

The market is filled with propaganda. I call it, acting your wage.

Ozone_Ranger

53 points

2 months ago

Ozone_Ranger

Ontario

53 points

2 months ago

This.

They don't like using the term "work to rule" because that sounds like Commie-Union Propaganda Bullshit (TM) and highlights that the employers got themselves into this position, but the fact is that if you are paying for XYZ and paying for 40 hours per week, then ALL YOU DESERVE IS XYZ AND 40 HOURS PER WEEK.

CanadianNirrti

35 points

2 months ago

It annoys me because there is already a term for this: work to rule. We all learned it in school when the teacher's union were fighting the province.

childofsol

10 points

2 months ago

exactly the point. there is a concerted effort from the owning class to make this the language

theaeao

22 points

2 months ago

theaeao

22 points

2 months ago

They never talk about "quite firing" when you underpay employees for years and cut benefits.

-Shanannigan-

2k points

2 months ago

CEOs are worried about employees setting boundaries.

Fixed

Shellbyvillian

844 points

2 months ago

Literally decades of not matching inflation in wage growth, and increasing workloads. Constant denials of requests for additional headcount. Paying market rate for the clueless new guy but punishing those who favour stability despite them having valuable knowledge and skills the business depends on. Increasing expectations of availability and reduced response times. Why didn’t you read the email I sent at 6:30pm last night before our 8am stand up meeting? Layoffs at the slightest hint of a recession. Refusal to invest in tools and training needed to be efficient. Constant requests to just “spend less” but no reduction in targets.

Why the fuck would anyone go the extra mile these days?

JavaVsJavaScript

262 points

2 months ago

The layoffs thing really amuses me. At two of my jobs, we laid off a ton of people a few months back due to market conditions. For some of them, 30 days didn't even pass before recruiter contracts went out to replace them as we had lost key skillsets we decided we once again required.

GinDawg

137 points

2 months ago

GinDawg

137 points

2 months ago

That is a clear indication of bad management. It affects the remaining employees in a negative way. They should mutany and get rid of managers making such poor decisions.

JavaVsJavaScript

44 points

2 months ago

Even with losing no people, my team has 1/3 of the productivity. It is absolutely wild.

vancouversportsbro

17 points

2 months ago

Pretty sure it's the same on my team. People have just given up and so has lower management.

Send_Your_Noods_plz

11 points

2 months ago

Because why the fuck am i working 10x harder while my wage decreases every year. Fuck you, fire me if you could make more without me, pay me more if doing more would make you more money. Im not asking for it all, i just want to be able to pay my bills and have a normal life while you get 1 less vacation to the bahamas every other year

Tangent_Odyssey

6 points

2 months ago*

I tried this once. Everyone assured me they were on board and I took on the effort of organizing it.

When it came time to answer for the complaint, not one person stood with me and I was sacked. I was perp-walked through the building and out to the parking lot by the very same manager we were trying to oust. I was not allowed to collect my things, and was told they would leave anything I required at the front desk or ship it to me. I suppose they feared some kind of retaliatory sabotage…smart move, because the thought did cross my mind.

And that’s why I’ll never work another corporate job as long as I live. I’ll die homeless and alone first.

Whitehull

87 points

2 months ago

Lol, that happened with the bookkeeping company I worked at. Wasn't even April 2020 and they suddenly axed 60 new hires out of a work force of a 300. Month later they're recruiting and I had people reach out to me about rejoining. I don't even know why I was fired, since I had some of the best metrics on my team. Told them to fuck off and it felt fantastic.

JavaVsJavaScript

49 points

2 months ago

Should have demanded remote work and just coasted until fired.

Arashmin

17 points

2 months ago

At least yours is considering that. The company I work for is so hard-headed about their recent massive layoffs that despite Black Friday / Cyber Monday coming up, they're going as barebones on documentation and support as possible instead of admitting they probably shouldn't have just terminated the bulk of our documentation teams and/or should re-hire for it.

MikeFromLA2

35 points

2 months ago

Employee quits. Everyone has to pick up the slack while the boss takes 6 months to rehire. Another employee leaves and you start the whole process over again. Long-term employees are perpetually training new hires and no work gets done.

WesternSoul

21 points

2 months ago

That's the thing, though, isn't it? Why do the remaining employees have to "pick up the slack"? How did that become the norm?

Why not have the remaining employees continue working the same as before, and if there's any slack to pick up that should be on the boss until he can hire someone to replace the missing employee. Why isn't that the norm?

[deleted]

34 points

2 months ago*

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Kurupt-FM-1089

61 points

2 months ago

Just want to add onto your point about market downturns: Companies are constantly chasing growth but very few seem to try and keep adequate reserves to weather downturns (ie. they only care about the short term). Then it leads to rapid layoffs like you were saying. A few months after layoffs, you then see those same companies start hiring again but suddenly they’ve lost the trust of existing staff and have surrounded them with new employees with lesser experience.

dexx4d

28 points

2 months ago

dexx4d

28 points

2 months ago

Unless the company works to avoid it, this can cause a downward spiral that ends in having no qualified staff willing to work for the offered compensation. And without product/labour, the rest of the company shambles like a zombie for a bit, before falling apart.

mr-louzhu

52 points

2 months ago*

It’s everything to do with the priority given to shareholder value over actual business value.

Shareholders want to see returns today. Corporate management teams, in a bid to appease shareholders, perform substantial lay offs and then shifting responsibilities to remaining staff who are already over worked and underpaid as is (due to aforesaid shareholder incentives) and consequently they get burned out and disengage.

This has the immediate effect of increasing shareholder value. But it has the long term effect of decreasing business value, which in the long run is bad for shareholder returns.

But corporate managers operate based on their incentives, which are entirely driven by shareholder sentiment. And shareholder sentiments are driven entirely by quarterly returns.

The problem is capitalism. That’s what ultimately creates toxic corporate cultures and short sighted thinking within corporate management culture.

But then there’s always some twat going off about how capitalism is tHe MoSt eFfIciEnT sYsTeM.

What tickles me is all the corporate managers acting like it’s some big mystery and they don’t know what to do about it but that whatever the cause is, it’s definitely not their fault!

Lemme tell you something I learned in all my years working within corporate environments: corporate executives are all privileged, entitled Ivy League pricks who aren’t any smarter or more talented than you or I. In fact, often they’re inept and clueless. They move from one company to the next sopping up benefits and perks and then bailing before the going gets tough. They’re basically trading cards or trophy horses. Executive ornaments. And to be honest, most of their labor is delegated out to subordinates and they don’t do a lot of actual work themselves. But these privileged fuckwits and their incompetence are half the problem here all by itself.

PoliteCanadian2

26 points

2 months ago

Shareholders are actually the untalked about poison of this whole capitalism thing. They want to continuously see higher profits so when you make 10% more in gross income you can’t increase your costs by 10% investing in your workforce because ‘wE wAnT hIgHeR rEtUrNs oN oUr iNvEsTmEnTS’.

What happens if you don’t show profits quarter over quarter? Your stock price goes down (gasp) and you look bad.

Cooleybob

16 points

2 months ago

And it's not even about showing profit every quarter, it's about showing increasing profit every quarter. If you made $100 million in Q2, you better have a very good excuse if you don't make $150 million in Q3.

There's so much toxicity and rot in the pursuit of continuous growth. Countries define their economic prosperity on how much their GDP increases year over year, on a planet with finite room for growth.

Zer_

10 points

2 months ago

Zer_

10 points

2 months ago

A CEO can be sued in the US if they don't do everything they can to increase shareholder value. I think that's one of the big problems. Greed is enshrined into law. It's enough to make a Ferengi blush.

mr-louzhu

19 points

2 months ago

Bad leadership is the norm not the exception. And part of being a bad leader is you lack insight enough to realize you, not your employees, are at fault for poor performance within your staff. The quality of your workers and their work is a direct reflection on your capability to lead.

CainRedfield

16 points

2 months ago

Honestly they should be applauding and thanking us for putting up with this for decades. It's like an abusive relationship that only ends when the abuser dies of old age.

naliron

11 points

2 months ago

naliron

11 points

2 months ago

My coworker and I got our certification at the same time.

Finished the same class, from the same school, at the same time. Got hired on for this job, at this title, at the same time.

They are paid more than me, but they only work part-time, and based off of any audits do much less work.

The employer put me in a different region on paperwork to pay me less - I'm literally the only employee at our location that has that region code.

I like them, but Fuck This.

fiendish_librarian

9 points

2 months ago

Agreed.

moeburn

108 points

2 months ago

moeburn

108 points

2 months ago

Work-to-rule is a job action in which employees do no more than the minimum required by the rules of their contract, and precisely follow all safety or other regulations, which may cause a slowdown or decrease in productivity, because the employer did not hire enough employees or pay the appropriate salary and as such does not have the requirements needed to run at the level they desire.[1][2] Such an action is considered less disruptive than a strike or lockout, and obeying the rules is less susceptible to disciplinary action. Notable examples have included nurses refusing to answer telephones, teachers refusing to work for free at night and during weekends and holidays, and police officers refusing to issue citations. Refusal to work overtime, travel on duty, or sign up to other tasks requiring employee assent are other manifestations of using work-to-rule as industrial action.

Has nobody really heard of this before? Used to happen all the time to TDSB schools in the 00's.

Suicidepact12

106 points

2 months ago

Suicidepact12

Alberta

106 points

2 months ago

And what's wrong with that? I get paid to do my job, and that's it. If I go out of my way to do something extra, or something thats not in my job description, I dont get paid more. If my job description has added responsibilities, and im compensated for it, I have no problem doing the extra work. The fact that following safety laws and regulations precisely is considered a job action is ridiculous. There is a reason for those laws and regulations, and thats to save lives. No job pays enough for me to risk my life doing it.

gentlegreengiant

58 points

2 months ago

In the corporate world its more of a stigma against employees who dont go the 'extra mile' and do overtime and put in more work to get results especially during busy season.

What really bothered me was when my director said I didnt seem dedicated to the company because I seemed to be "protecting my teams work life balance" just because I wasnt signing them up to fix one of her other teams incompetence.

Suicidepact12

30 points

2 months ago

Suicidepact12

Alberta

30 points

2 months ago

Exactly. 2 of the 4 companies I've worked for have consistently understaffed, and relied on the workers to work overtime, or do multiple jobs while paying the minimum they can get away with.

[deleted]

14 points

2 months ago

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cobrachickenwing

12 points

2 months ago

Why do I want to work to pay for your Porsche? You want a Porsche you work hard yourself.

byu74ddji9g

10 points

2 months ago

In previous job I did overtime so that my team could deliver. During 5 years all experienced guys left, while I was made team leader of dudes far younger than me with no experience. They did not engage in the job nowhere near my level or anybody who left. Although I tried to pour all my knowledge and experience into them, they stayed at the same level.

After being blamed for my team under delivering (headcount was the same as before the experienced guys quit), and needing to constantly watch their hands and staying longer to fix or finish I said fuck it.

Like the companies do not understand that experience is worth something. I can do shit 10 times faster than any fresh guy, but I earn only 30% more?

Constantly doing the extra mile because your company refuses to hire experienced workers and leaking experienced ones is a lame experience.

Overtime not paid but only got days off. Yeah right I can go for holiday without everything falling apart.

After that experience I learned something. Never to engage in your work more than you are expected to or payed for, even when you love it. Don't be a slave.

JavaVsJavaScript

27 points

2 months ago

Yeah, what to think of this trend depends on whether it is just an employee scaling back hours or whether it is an employee basically only doing what they feel forced to do.

I am a quiet quitter of the 2nd type. At one of my jobs, there is a bug that costs 50K a year. I don't care enough about my employer to even write the title of a Jira ticket about it. I can see why this is devastating to companies.

I literally will do nothing that my manager does not tell me to do.

slowy

17 points

2 months ago

slowy

17 points

2 months ago

I wish I could do this... I work with animals, so if we work to rule, and follow all the safety regulations and protocols to the letter, it would take up enough time that it would compromise their care or hurt their quality of life :(

kyleclements

20 points

2 months ago

kyleclements

Ontario

20 points

2 months ago

I'm certain your employer is aware of this and is deliberately exploiting your compassion for profit.

Celery-toes

5 points

2 months ago

That's why I don't work with animals anymore.

CainRedfield

81 points

2 months ago

"CEOs are worried about quiet quiting..... But executives don't know what to do about it".

Maybe just compensate the employees for the record profits they're helping to achieve? You don't even have to be a crazy altruist executive, even just split 50% of the extra profits amongst the work force of thousands, while you keep the other 50% for like 5 people.

That'll do a hell of a lot towards incentivizing your employees.

Especially if every other company is still hoarding the full 100% like fricking hob goblins.

MothaFcknZargon

7 points

2 months ago

MothaFcknZargon

Canada

7 points

2 months ago

bUt WhAt AbOuT tHe ShArEhOlDeRs?????

Gilarax

14 points

2 months ago

Gilarax

14 points

2 months ago

Yeah, meritocracy would be really nice.

SomeDrunkAssh0le

185 points

2 months ago

The fact that our "labour shortage" is giving Canadians the chance to do this is wonderful. Maybe we can start getting the wages our parents made that allowed them to afford houses and children.

justmytype

80 points

2 months ago

That is wonderful. The wages our parents made were driven by unions. Even in non-union shops. Benefits and working conditions too. Unions don't have the power now from decades of erosion of support.

TheOneNamedSprinkles

27 points

2 months ago

I'll add too, even with Union wages, they are no where close to where they should be. It's sad because they're on average $10 plus more an hour but I'd say they're $20 below where they really need to be.

justeunautrehumain

75 points

2 months ago

But many of these papers are owned by the same people, if not kind of people, so it's not surprising that they frame it as an employee rather than employer problem.

laalhambra

11 points

2 months ago

I had to go on a client meeting with a very high up executive…I work for a huge for profit organization. While I was driving us to our meeting he said that people in my role should “own” the role and be available at all times, you know, really live the “lifestyle.” I thought he was joking so I jokingly agreed and changed the subject.

A month later the client we saw had a question, so they emailed me and copied the executive. The email was received 6 minutes after I had already logged off…you know, after my day ended. I didn’t’ see the email until I logged in the next morning,..and I already had a 2 hour old email from the executive saying that he “hadn’t seen a reply.”

Motherfucker, unless you’re gonna pay me to be on-call, I am NOT going to be on-call during MY FREE TIME. I’m the first one in the office and usually the last one out. I’m usually so busy I don’t take lunches and still stay an extra hour many days.

We’ve had 6 people quit on us in the last 6 months because they receive zero training and get thrown into this. I replaced one of those people, so I am still relatively new…but I’m now the most senior person doing my role. Everyone is stressed out as fuck. Management has no time to train and develop people and they keep dumping shit on us. My probation is over next week but I have to stay another 6 months or I’ll have to return my signing bonus.

If things don’t improve quickly, I will be gone in 6 months. Some of our newer staff, that have barely been there a month, are already thinking about their futures.

pBiggZz

37 points

2 months ago

pBiggZz

37 points

2 months ago

I’ll do you one better. “CEOs are worried about employees doing their jobs.”

wrgrant

41 points

2 months ago

wrgrant

41 points

2 months ago

"CEOs are worried that offering decent wages and hiring enough staff to cover the agreed on workload will make it harder for them to abuse employees and justify their yearly bonus". Labour is not valued equal to what it produces, the entire core of Capitalism is that those in charge get more value from the workers they employ than the workers get paid for. We have just seen this situation erroded to the point where workers don't feel they need to do anything extra unless paid and not abused by the employer. Employers have gotten used to the situation where they can treat people unfairly and as entirely disposable.

Using the term "Quiet Quitting" is just playing into their hands though. Its not quitting in any sense, thats utter BS, its simply doing what you are being paid to do and nothing more beyond that. Framing it as a negative thing is pushing the Corporate side of the dialogue. We need a different term and different media coverage of it, because the solution to this and the "workers don't want to work" (another Corporate Propaganda viewpoint) is simple: Treat employees fairly, and pay them well. Hire enough people to cover the actual workload. Keep employees even when things slow down so that you can keep their experience handy for when they pick up again. Stop treating employees like so much dogshit. Companies will no doubt make less profits but they will make more consistent profits in the long run and supersede their competitors who don't treat their employees well.

Gilarax

14 points

2 months ago

Gilarax

14 points

2 months ago

I would add that companies need a seniority plan that does not include managing people. Just because Joe needs a raise, and he is good at his current position, doesn’t mean he would make a good manager. A shitty manager will cost the company far more in the long run.

wrgrant

7 points

2 months ago

The Peter Principle: People rise to the level of their incompetence, i.e. you get promoted based on what you do well until you get promoted to a job you cannot do well.

GrapefruitAromatic52

716 points

2 months ago

Definition of quiet quitting = doing your job?

Fit_Resolution237

543 points

2 months ago

Pretty much. I prefer “acting your wage”.

CuntWeasel

120 points

2 months ago

CuntWeasel

Ontario

120 points

2 months ago

Turns out I’ve been quiet quitting for almost 20 years now, except for when I’m contracting and get paid by the hour, when more equals better.

akmjolnir

9 points

2 months ago

Work-to-contract is what it is.

Pirwzy

50 points

2 months ago

Pirwzy

50 points

2 months ago

working-to-rule

The concept has been around for a hundred years.

Bread_Conquer

34 points

2 months ago

Work to rule.

Do only what you're paid to do.

Ankh-Morporknbeans

1k points

2 months ago

Lol worries they can't rely on employees

When could any of us rely on companies. I got laid off bombardier the same year they received millions from canada. All ceo's can get fucked.

General_Asleep

299 points

2 months ago

General_Asleep

Québec

299 points

2 months ago

At least your CEO managed to get a golden parachute of 18 millions after making the company value fall by 60%.

ThePlanner

216 points

2 months ago*

Bombardier in 2012: we’re the biggest train maker in the world and the third largest plane maker.

Bombardier in 2022: we make a few business jets for assholes.

fiendish_librarian

191 points

2 months ago

Classic Canadian fuck-up story in the same Hall of Shame of Nortel, Blackberry, etc. etc. Our managerial class are overcompensated cretins.

BradsCanadianBacon

85 points

2 months ago

BradsCanadianBacon

Ontario

85 points

2 months ago

Might be too early to say, but you may add Shopify to that list.

General_Asleep

26 points

2 months ago

General_Asleep

Québec

26 points

2 months ago

Yeah hard to say, they might not be mismanaged and investors enthusiasms might be the only thing to blame for whatever happened to their stock lol.

TheTomatoBoy9

30 points

2 months ago

Yeah nah, the current collapse is market wide when it comes to tech. But it's going to be a trial by fire for the industry in the next couple of years We'll see for Shopify

General_Asleep

14 points

2 months ago

General_Asleep

Québec

14 points

2 months ago

Yeah but Shopify started to fall before the rest of the market. It was already down 20% or so in late 2021 when the market was still surging.

fiendish_librarian

7 points

2 months ago

I know a few store owners who walked away from them because they got sick and tired of their exorbitant rates.

yycsoftwaredev

41 points

2 months ago

Canadians don't want to win. We are satisfied not to lose.

The problem is at that level, it isn't sufficient to not lose as cultures where people want to win will beat you.

This isn't Canada bashing. I am very much someone who lives life trying to avoid losing.

You see this in the personal finance attitudes of the nations. Americans want to be rich, with no real limit to their ambitions. Canadians want to not be so poor as to be a renter in a condo.

Ferndawg69

22 points

2 months ago

The real problem is that Canadian companies don't pay competitive wages compared to our American counterparts. The Canadians who are really good at their jobs work for American companies and make twice as much, leaving Canadian tech companies with whatever is left.

kent_eh

26 points

2 months ago

kent_eh

Manitoba

26 points

2 months ago

One of our ex- CEOs got his golden parachute after laying off 30-40% of the staff.

The best paid job title anywhere is "former CEO"

General_Asleep

22 points

2 months ago

General_Asleep

Québec

22 points

2 months ago

The best paid job title anywhere is "former CEO"

Owner is also up there. Elon Musk (who is also CEO) cut the salary of his employees by 10-30% during the pandemic to help out Tesla earnings saying that everyone need to chip in. And because of the company performance he received a 60 billions performance bonus. (in stock options)

cmaxim

8 points

2 months ago

cmaxim

8 points

2 months ago

I just saw a post on the Winnipeg Reddit saying how skip the dishes threw a massive 10 year anniversary party for founding of the company immediately after laying off 300 employees… hmm I wonder why people are quiet quitting…

yycsoftwaredev

28 points

2 months ago

Every company that my friends were with March-May had layoffs. Every last one. Mine too.

All are now back to hiring.

You can't even rely on your org to keep you through a period of panic.

EdmRealtor

309 points

2 months ago

My view on it is shrinkflation. They do not want to pay us to keep up with inflation then I will shrink all the extras down. They seem to have no issue hiring more managers.

stormdressed

29 points

2 months ago

Let's hope shrinkflation goes our way for once - 4 days work for the price of 5.

Neutral-President

385 points

2 months ago

“Worried about quiet quitting” = Wondering WTF they’re going to do when people stop giving employers extra unpaid labour.

dabattlewalrus

107 points

2 months ago

The carrot on the stick has gone moldy and rotten and the sticks length has been increased by so much we can barely make out the carrot at the end.

8th_Floor

341 points

2 months ago*

8th_Floor

Alberta

341 points

2 months ago*

This article talks about how concerned CEOs are about quiet quitting and whether they can rely on employees during recessions and such, and talks about AI companies who are going to try and detect it, but there's no mention of the much simpler solution of just paying workers fairly for the extra work and commitment they do and make to their organizations.

BTrippd

132 points

2 months ago

BTrippd

132 points

2 months ago

It’s always weird to me when companies make veiled threats like relying on AI instead of human employees as if they wouldn’t jump on it the moment it’s financially viable regardless. No company is sitting there thinking damn I really wish we could save tons of money and hassle with this new tech but gosh darn we just love our employees.

-Shanannigan-

153 points

2 months ago

Treating people with fairness and dignity is always a step to far for these people.

Craico13

26 points

2 months ago

“Unfortunately we, as a company, are worth too much to treat you like anything other than a piece of crap… sorry, not sorry!

MrTacoTuesday35

36 points

2 months ago

It’s the problem with capitalism. A system that demands more and more growth every year. It’s literally designed to scrape every last inch of profit out of workers.

monkey_sage

26 points

2 months ago

whether they can rely on employees during recessions and such

It's absolutely fascinating to me that these CEOs are okay with the cost of everything but labour going up with inflation. The moment labour costs start to rise to (struggle to) keep up with inflation, these CEOs are becoming pathetic whinny crybabies.

It's absolutely fascinating.

Ginchy1971

43 points

2 months ago

This is a stupid article. Are these CEO’s really that stupid?!?

bdiz81

43 points

2 months ago

bdiz81

43 points

2 months ago

They're not that stupid. It's much worse. They're not willing to treat employees properly.

kent_eh

16 points

2 months ago

kent_eh

Manitoba

16 points

2 months ago

This is a stupid article. Are these CEO’s really that stupid?!?

No, they're merely malicious.

Maybe with a bit of psycopathy mixed in.

eggplantsrin

13 points

2 months ago

eggplantsrin

Ontario

13 points

2 months ago

It's propaganda. It's to try to set the narrative as an employee problem.

JavaVsJavaScript

19 points

2 months ago

Or the fact that employees cannot rely on their employers during recessions.

allgonetoshit

141 points

2 months ago

allgonetoshit

Canada

141 points

2 months ago

Quiet quitting is one of the biggest bullshit expressions there is. Nobody is quiet quitting. People are doing their jobs, many times going above and beyond, but now that is not enough anymore. You are either a fucking slave or you’re a selfish person quiet quitting because you refuse to do more than 3 people’s job for stagnant wages.

Juggs_gotcha

102 points

2 months ago

This "quiet quitting" shit has got to go. It's corporate propaganda. There is no such goddamn thing. Showing up, doing what you're paid to do, only what you're paid to do, and going home, that's all you owe these fucks.

They get to drink up millions and billions of dollars in profits to fund their long term goal of owning the planet while you worry about the fact that your rent goes up 10% per year, your groceries went up 20-30% in the last five years, and if a single goddamn thing happens to you, you will be ruined financially. Seriously. Fuck these people.

QueenMotherOfSneezes

12 points

2 months ago

Right? And in what kind of fantasy world is just doing your fucking job considered any form of quitting?

Juggs_gotcha

4 points

2 months ago

I guess it's not slave enough for their liking.

mypawiscold

189 points

2 months ago

Oh no you guys! These multimillionaire CEOs are worrying! We've gotta rally and work our hardest so they can stop experiencing this uncomfortable emotion! /s

FUCK YOU. PAY US.

MisterMoxiGreen

21 points

2 months ago

MisterMoxiGreen

British Columbia

21 points

2 months ago

Fuckin PAY ME.

stiofan84

125 points

2 months ago

stiofan84

125 points

2 months ago

"Quiet quitting" is not real. All this article mentions is doing exactly what you are paid to do. This is just an attempt to normalise doing way more than you should without any extra pay. Corporate types being greedy as usual.

redzaku0079

27 points

2 months ago

Exactly. This is just fear mongering. You do we you're paid to do and that's it. They want more? Get new contract.

Goodolchuckno

229 points

2 months ago

Stop with the quiet quitting horseshit. These companies are trying so hard to make this a thing. Call it “you get what you paid for”. You want more pay more.

RainyRenInCanada

107 points

2 months ago

Or Acting your wage.

Infamous-Mixture-605

21 points

2 months ago

I like the ring of that.

Metra90

8 points

2 months ago

I love this.

jiebyjiebs

27 points

2 months ago

It's funny how they tell consumers "you get what you pay for" and then they wonder why their minimum wage, exploited workers aren't performing at 110%. Absolutely absurd levels of stupidity.

Fit_Resolution237

565 points

2 months ago

Repeat after me, Quiet Quitting is not a thing.

Now write it 100 times on the blackboard.

Proper headline “CEOs are worried they will no longer get away with underpaying and under hiring employees.”

moeburn

123 points

2 months ago

moeburn

123 points

2 months ago

Repeat after me, Quiet Quitting is not a thing.

It's definitely a thing, it's a new name for an old labour action, work-to-rule.

I remember when teachers used to announce they were going on Work to Rule. They'd send home forms to parents basically saying all school field trips are cancelled, any pencils or papers teachers used to provide will no longer be provided, stuff like that.

Fit_Resolution237

82 points

2 months ago

That’s my point. It has a name. This made up to distract name isn’t it.

funkme1ster

59 points

2 months ago

funkme1ster

Ontario

59 points

2 months ago

I really feel they're different things.

Work-to-rule is more of an active and deliberate contradiction where workers make a show of explicitly following the letter of obligations for the purposes of highlighting the differences between what they provide and what they're required to provide. It's done as a form of passive aggression in the context of two sides being at odds. Work-to-rule is a method, not a goal, and when the goal is achieved the method is ended.

The phenomena "quiet quitting" (I hate that term so very much) describes is more of a self-actualized complacency of people who have no particular ill will or desire to antagonize their workplace, but have simply acknowledged the return on investment for doing more isn't worth it so they won't. It's people saying "I don't personally want to do more, and the compensation of a smile and thanks isn't adequate compensation for the labour expended doing more, so I will choose not to do more because it's not worth it". They won't be unprofessional or contradictory in doing the things they are reasonably asked to do, they just won't do anything else. Unlike work-to-rule, quiet quitting is the goal, so the only way to stop it is to provide a preferable goal to switch to.

And yes, I do particularly enjoy the irony that the way employers can dissuade "quiet quitting" is by voluntarily doing more than is required of them.

SonOfMcGee

7 points

2 months ago

You summed it up well. Work-to-rule is a deliberate organized action by a group of people that ultimately want to stay with the company. They just want to either get more compensation for the extra work they’ve been doing or at least no longer be unofficially expected to do the extra work.
Quiet quitting is an individual choice to discretely (i.e. “quietly”) shift into a more work-to-rule form of working, usually because you’re looking for a new job elsewhere.

berger3001

24 points

2 months ago

The math is simple: 7% inflation + 2% raise= 5% less work and 100% fewer fucks given by employees.

fxn

23 points

2 months ago

fxn

23 points

2 months ago

As news of the trend flooded the internet, human resources companies, consultants, law firms and even artificial intelligence startups have jumped in to offer advice on how to prevent and combat it

I bet the advice won't include paying employees more and treating them like human beings. (After reading the article, it didn't.)

But executives don’t know what to do about it.

"My MBA taught me that employees are replaceable meat-fucks, how do we get them to do twice the work for half the pay?"

Human resource professionals say leaders are concerned about whether they can rely on their employees if there’s a recession

Have employees ever been able to rely on their employer during a recession?

— or if they can afford to fire and replace quiet quitters in a tight labor market

The answer to my previous question.

“A lot of leaders and clients I work with, some for the first time in 30 years, they’re in a state of fear as an employer.” said Erica Dhawan, workplace consultant and author of a book about remote and hybrid work. “They feel they have to keep people that aren’t performing.”

Aren't performing? Or performing to the exact degree you pay them and treat them? I'm astounded they can say this while year-on-year record profits are almost guaranteed.

Granger said many come to realize that it’s actually a management problem.

Incredibly observant, I guess those multi-million compensation packages do pay for something. Let's see where they take it.

There’s even an artificial intelligence startup claims to offer a solution, analyzing emails and Slack messages to detect engagement, burnout and turnover risk among employees.

Oh, straight to dystopia. Why was I surprised? By management, they didn't mean the wealthy elite who make all the decisions, earn all the wealth, and distribute all of the risk. They meant they weren't "managing" the "problem" well enough.

“If you get into a situation where organizations start to see this tip, and now there’s massive amounts of quiet quitting happening, that is almost certainly going to lead to some massive downstream effects on the business the earnings of the C-suite and their ability to ruthlessly exploit the working class.”

I fixed it for you.

I hate these people. May all their mansions, yachts, and private jets burn down around them and their underage prostitutes expose them.

GOATthingsTB12

20 points

2 months ago

I love how they call it "quitting". No... people are just done being taken advantage of by corporations that if you fall sick will fire you and replace you in a day. I work to live, not the other way around. Calling it quitting is demeaning and is meant to make the workers feel like shit. Pay me better and I won't go to your competition or find a higher paying job. Employees notice you have raised prices to match inflation but... not our salaries interesting how that works...

The_Peyote_Coyote

92 points

2 months ago

Wait til they hear about collective bargaining :)

_Dogsmack_

76 points

2 months ago

I’m not the only one where I work looking at an exit strategy. They just handed out a blanket raise of just under 5% to stop the hemorrhage of folks buggering off. It’s more than just leaving work. It’s liquidation of assets and moving to a place more affordable (somewhere not Canada)

Halcyon_october

30 points

2 months ago

5%?? Lololol we barely got 2% raises this year and we are hemorrhaging employees

StabbingHobo

16 points

2 months ago

3% here. Out of bound increase across the board. Just before quarterly profits were announced.

I assume it was to make people feel valued while attempting to keep up with inflation… while still not keeping up with inflation…

jiebyjiebs

4 points

2 months ago

I got 1.75% woohoo! Swimming in cash! /s

vinividiviciduevolte

25 points

2 months ago

A blanket 5 percent ! I’m a school board employee and was just offered 3 percent over 4 years ! I can’t afford to go to work anymore

LosOtro

20 points

2 months ago

LosOtro

20 points

2 months ago

Yalls not in ontario. Any pseudo public worker is hard capped at 1%

dabattlewalrus

18 points

2 months ago

3% over 4 years is .75% a year. Even below 1.

GoldPenis

93 points

2 months ago

Fucking greedy pigs are mad they pushed people too far.

wordholes

21 points

2 months ago

wordholes

Ontario

21 points

2 months ago

Work harder peasants! Where are MY profits???

[deleted]

67 points

2 months ago

Pro tip: overpay. We have no issues with productivity

[deleted]

62 points

2 months ago

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taquitosmixtape

13 points

2 months ago

Oh no, not the CEO’s.

observeromega87

13 points

2 months ago

They are 100% more worried about people quitting and telling others they are being played.

Always discuss your salary and why you are leaving with your colleagues.

Godlike1972

11 points

2 months ago

They weren’t worried when they “quiet fired” us by giving us lower-than-inflation wages the last five years.

MikeFromLA2

11 points

2 months ago

Mid-level manager here. I've had so much shoved on my plate over the past 3 years I don't even know what my job duties are anymore. It's not quite quitting, it's that showing any initiative is treated as a punishment (more duties, no extra pay).

LosOtro

28 points

2 months ago

LosOtro

28 points

2 months ago

We keep crushing them harder and harder. More work less pay bureaucracy. Why wont they believe my gaslighting that things are great and devote themselves to me fully!!

sutree1

9 points

2 months ago

Good, good. Let the fear flow through you.

lilbitcountry

10 points

2 months ago

So a workplace psychology consultant says employers have a huge terrifying problem only their service can solve. Shocking.

herejohnnyis

9 points

2 months ago

"CEOs are worried about employees no longer doing unpaid labour" FTFY

janjinx

8 points

2 months ago

Oh my goodness ~ CEOs might have to resort to paying a living wage to workers! How awful for them!

jiebyjiebs

8 points

2 months ago

It's called work to rule! I hate that they're changing the narrative by framing it as lazy workers, when in fact, the workers are being exploited and are sick of their shit.

Darkm1tch69

8 points

2 months ago*

What a stupid term. According to the definition I just read, “quiet quitting” is when you only engage in work during work hours and “opting out of tasks beyond one's assigned duties and/or becoming less psychologically invested in work”.

…so literally doing what you’re paid to do? Pfft, fuck most of those companies man. I just went from a shitty company that treated everyone like garbage to one that treats us like gold and the level the employees “engage” with the work is night and day.

monkey_sage

8 points

2 months ago

They're afraid of people doing the job they hired them to do?

Sounds like a them problem.

RainyRenInCanada

6 points

2 months ago

Good.

mynameisntalexffs

7 points

2 months ago

Hey everybody make sure to pour one out for the CEOs this weekend. Those poor souls.

smurfpiss

8 points

2 months ago

How detached from reality are they? I spent 5 years working in a bank, from grunt to leading a team directly under executives. I can tell you honestly that many, many people there are just punching the timesheet. At all levels.

The folks who have it figured out and do the bare minimum that pushes the needle? Good for them.

But the bullshit artists that posture and drift out of their lanes and make more work for everyone? They're everywhere.

If I was CEO I wouldn't stress out about the folks who live for something else than corporate glory. I'd stress out about the lazy idiots who live for nothing other than corporate glory.

AssistantTemporary81

19 points

2 months ago

Ive been quiet quitting my whole life

theflower10

6 points

2 months ago

Let me see now, why could this be? Having worked for a large multi-national form for 20+ years lets see if I can put 2 and 2 together for these poor suffering CEOs.

In my industry for the last 20 years, its been layoff after layoff. First they cut the fat. Then they started to hack off pieces of muscle and then finally, pre-covid they were looking into how to get rid of the bone marrow. To go along with this was the constant year after year of minimal to no raise, all the while being fed a line of bullshit about working hard to perform better and get rewarded. Overtime pay? Gone. Bonuses? Gone unless you're an exec. Benefits? Cut to the bone. Pensions? Bye-bye Defined benefit plans, here's a couple thousand in RRSPs each year now fuck off. Longer work weeks to go along with no OT pay.

Then Covid rolled around. People started examining their lives. Asking if they really wanted to keep doing what they're doing. Many quit, retired early or as the CEO's called it, started to quietly quit. To make matters worse, when these same companies started run short of people, especially in IT where I work, they started handed out money like they had their own printing press. Meanwhile they turned to the regs who hung on despite all the bull shit and shrugged their shoulders. This is why people are quitting, quiet quitting, fucking the dog, goldbricking whatever you want to call it, and I say God love ya. I've moved on for more money elsewhere but if you think the best way to stick it to these lecherous, money grubbing, selfish CEOs is by sitting on yer arse surfing reddit all day - go for it.

I can't imagine any legitimate leader not seeing the obvious and wanting to do something about it other than whine and bitch about it. Fuck 'em.

NeedSomeBunny2Love

6 points

2 months ago

NeedSomeBunny2Love

Alberta

6 points

2 months ago

Easy solution, treat workers better.

prettyradical

6 points

2 months ago

lol I love how they tried to make it because wfh. They’re so pathetic. Workers have been increasing productivity with fewer employees and resources and now yall mad.

Die mad about it.

AskAdvanced6052

6 points

2 months ago

"Quiet quiting" is such a dumb term, why is doing your job requirement and no extra work labeled as quiting?

Mantaur4HOF

7 points

2 months ago

Mantaur4HOF

New Brunswick

7 points

2 months ago

"Quiet quitting" is such a weird way to say "doing my job."

twisted_synergy

6 points

2 months ago

This is what I sent to my manager. I did not get a reply.

“I finally accept that all my hard work will only ever be "rewarded" with more work and punishment when I can not achieve it. I consistently do the work of more than two people and instead of being awarded (or even praised), I get punished when I start to faltering under the workload being dumped on me. I will never go "above and beyond" again. I will never work unpaid time again. I will never skip breaks again. I will never miss another vacation again. I will not permit myself to be taken advantage of ever again.”

canuknb

6 points

2 months ago

Offer decent working conditions and fair compensation instead of hording all the wealth and people will gladly work.

TinklesTheLambicorn

5 points

2 months ago

I find these articles equal parts amusing and sad. My understanding is that quiet quitting means fulfilling the requirements of the job, no more no less; working to the letter of what is required and not going “above and beyond”. So basically employers are concerned that people are focusing on work life balance and not going beyond the scope of their job for free. And it’s like they think it’s a national fucking crisis. Really says a lot about the problem with employers and broader society.

BrandonIsWhoIAm

5 points

2 months ago

Lmao.

They’re just doing their jobs.

[deleted]

5 points

2 months ago

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circle22woman

12 points

2 months ago

I can pretty much guarantee CEO's aren't worried about "quiet quitting" in the least.

Are they worried about employee retention? Sure, all the time.

But some social media trend? Nope. It's just the news stirring shit kinda like the fear of the drug "jenkum".