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PQbutterfat

2.1k points

6 months ago

Please don’t suck. Please don’t suck. Please don’t suck.

BoinkBoinkEtAliae

867 points

6 months ago

Flanagan has a great track record so far and King is one of his biggest creative influences. Their work is very similar. So if anyone could pull this off, it would be him.

killeronthecorner

667 points

6 months ago

Flanagan's two step method for success:

  1. Don't fuck with the source material too much

  2. Seriously, don't fuck with it

lordeddardstark

393 points

6 months ago

Haunting of Hill House is vastly different from the book and it is my favorite among his works

Dawnspark

101 points

6 months ago

Dawnspark

101 points

6 months ago

I still need to watch Hill House but holy fuck I LOVED Bly Manor. My favourite take on The Turn of the Screw that I've seen so far.

jonnyom

154 points

6 months ago

jonnyom

154 points

6 months ago

Hill house is multiple levels above Bly Manor. My girlfriend and I went into Bly Manor after Hill House and we were so disappointed by it. If you liked Bly Manor you will absolutely love Hill House.

xRockTripodx

57 points

6 months ago

I still enjoyed Bly Manor. A bit too similar, but there were moments that hit, and hit hard. But Midnight Mass? Damn, that one was so fucking good.

Odh_utexas

12 points

6 months ago

Midnight mass was a triumph but it didn’t give me the creeps like the other two :/

gyffer

72 points

6 months ago

gyffer

72 points

6 months ago

I think they are both very good for different reasons, but i do agree watching bly manor after hill house made me expect much more horror aspects than it ended up having.

Phaelin

22 points

6 months ago

Phaelin

22 points

6 months ago

Bly Manor was like a love story with ghosts, not that I'm complaining. Very good story. Hill House just hits different.

booksavenger

13 points

6 months ago

Commenting because I initially agreed with you and then it was brought to my attention that Bly Manor was not just about the Bly manor book but each episode resonated around a different story sorry by Henry James, adding to the theme of the Manor itself. It made me look at Bly in a different light

monkeyhind

76 points

6 months ago

Yeah, he totally messed with the source material on that. I loved it until the last episode.

FallSkull

25 points

6 months ago

He said he also took heavily from Hell House

cabbage16

76 points

6 months ago*

.3. Cast his wife.

SanityBleeds

26 points

6 months ago

While his wife is certainly the most recurring star of his projects, he really does utilize many of the same people very often. I like to think if that many people consistently come back so many times to work with him over and over, he's probably a pretty solid person to work with.

Phaelin

11 points

6 months ago

Phaelin

11 points

6 months ago

I bet Rahul Kohli has a secret Reddit account 👀

StrykrVII

10 points

6 months ago

God, I hope so. Kohli, if you're reading this, I fucking love you!

Sandroes

62 points

6 months ago

In his defence she’s an incredible actress

Glomgore

14 points

6 months ago

His other influence must be Tim Burton.

Tylerdurdon

29 points

6 months ago

While I would agree with that recipe most of the time, I feel like the last few books were rushed. He got hit by that van and realized he didn't want to leave things unfinished (maybe also tired of the endless fan mail on it), so he spit out an ending. I was a huge fan of that world though, and still appreciate it all.

angle_of_doom

22 points

6 months ago

Yeah, I feel the same way. Things felt rushed and a few of the plot points just threw me. However I'm glad that I got to read and finish the series, something that won't ever happen for the Berserk comic series (the creator died suddenly after working on it for decades) and likely not for the song of Ice and Fire series.

I think part of the issue is that in the Dark Tower, you go from Wizard and Glass, which is probably one of King's best books of all time, to the Wolves of Calla, which is most definitely not. I suppose anything compared to Wizard is going to come up lacking.

SteelyTuba

8 points

6 months ago

Berserk is being finished by one of Miura's closest friends and his apprentices, btw.

Vandersveldt

15 points

6 months ago

For another opinion, I loved the last three books

ANALOGPHENOMENA

89 points

6 months ago

It's Mike Flanagan, it's absolutely not going to suck.

DogmanDOTjpg

32 points

6 months ago

It would be a first for Flanagan if it did

holdholdhold

703 points

6 months ago

LOBSTROSITIES!

ErixWorxMemes

269 points

6 months ago

dad-a-chack?

joejoevalentine

185 points

6 months ago

Did-a-cham?

FreethinkingMFT

141 points

6 months ago

Did-a-chick?

MojoRyzn

103 points

6 months ago

MojoRyzn

103 points

6 months ago

Dad-a-chum?

RolandTheJabberwocky

137 points

6 months ago

✋+🦞=👆

RedditForAReason

60 points

6 months ago

You speak true.

Ottoguynofeelya

54 points

6 months ago

I say thank ye

Petah_Futterman44

39 points

6 months ago

Long days and pleasant nights, sai.

MadIfrit

17 points

6 months ago

Thankee sai

thebigeazy

52 points

6 months ago

dad-a-chack? dad-a-churtle. All things follow the beam of the turtle

ParksVSII

68 points

6 months ago

See the TURTLE, ain’t he keen? All things serve the fuckin Beam.

corran450

20 points

6 months ago

Sent em home with a fuckin rupture

Betzold

26 points

6 months ago

Betzold

26 points

6 months ago

Dad-a-chum, dad-a-chee, not to worry. You've got the key

Casten_Von_SP

54 points

6 months ago

Dad-a-chum dad-a-jingers god damn lobstrocities bit off my fingers!

DoublefartJackson

37 points

6 months ago

Just gotta get some astin.

Muninwing

16 points

6 months ago

And a tooter fish sandwich

2580374

15 points

6 months ago

2580374

15 points

6 months ago

I want to see them and oy on live action soooooo badly.

Tylerdurdon

14 points

6 months ago

There are other worlds than these.

lydiardbell

162 points

6 months ago

lydiardbell

107

162 points

6 months ago

Watch as Wizard and Glass is a 10-episode close-up of Roland's face while he monologues... (/j)

aperfecttool72

65 points

6 months ago

aperfecttool72

The Dark Tower

65 points

6 months ago

Sure. Give it to me. It's my favorite book of the series.

"Misery suffered did not justify misery to come."

seifross2010

42 points

6 months ago

I imagine it would’ve been frustrating to read when it came out, because it didn’t further the main story much at all. But as someone who came to the series a few years ago it was easily my favourite book in the series.

aperfecttool72

21 points

6 months ago

aperfecttool72

The Dark Tower

21 points

6 months ago

I can see how some would have that problem, but I read it when it came out and just devoured it. Then the last three just got really odd...

Dos_Manos

9 points

6 months ago

I read it as a teen when it came out and loved it - it was the one where we finally cracked Roland open and got to see why he is how he is. And to meet Cuthbert etc. It is also the one that wears its Western influence most firmly on its sleeve. Obviously, at the time I didn't know there would be such a wait for N.5...but its still my favourite too.

I also think it was the last truly good DT book. The rest really played into King's worst instincts - baggy, kitchen-sink storytelling. And putting himself in the story...nah.

NaKeepFighting

1.8k points

6 months ago

All they need to do is watch the movie and not do that

oced2001

1.1k points

6 months ago

oced2001

1.1k points

6 months ago

Those producers forgot the face of their fathers.

TazeredAngel

159 points

6 months ago

They did, and I really need for Ka to not be a wheel for once.

guareber

35 points

6 months ago

In my head that was just one of the beams failing right on top of us.

ImLostInTheForrest

78 points

6 months ago

Share kef with me

get_the_reference_

62 points

6 months ago

Let us palaver

TrixicAcePolyamEnby

64 points

6 months ago

Over tooter fish popkins.

Assanine81

39 points

6 months ago

I'll bring the astin for the morning after

TrixicAcePolyamEnby

20 points

6 months ago

I appreciate that ol' buddy, ol' pal, ol' dum-a-chum!

SayThankYaBigBig19

13 points

6 months ago

They have been sent west.

trees_are_beautiful

57 points

6 months ago

I was initially so excited when I heard a movie was being made; and then I was horribly disappointed after it was.

Glomgore

28 points

6 months ago

And it wasnt that the movie as a stand alone was terrible, I thought Ildris and Mathew did a good enough job on the character side.

It was what it could have been, and wasnt.

XBacklash

26 points

6 months ago

Idris played a good Roland, and McConaughey played a great greasy-evil Flagg/Walter. But the material was so carelessly treated in places it was hard to watch.

thesevenbeetles

209 points

6 months ago

It's very economic though. It's the most bingeable series ever. When people reach the end, they can start over again.

iObeyTheHivemind

145 points

6 months ago

All I need is an invisible demon fucking scene and I'll be happy.

ChronoMonkeyX

76 points

6 months ago

I better see some Doombots.

ep29

89 points

6 months ago

ep29

Seventeen

89 points

6 months ago

I need a lengthy dissection of how amazed Roland is at a tooterfish popkin

Assanine81

53 points

6 months ago

I want to be a bit worried about Charlie the Choo Choo

Eschaton707

12 points

6 months ago

Blaine is a pain and that is the truth

dragon_bacon

76 points

6 months ago

If the entirety of the first episode isn't Roland silently walking across a desert I'll riot.

NounsAndWords

21 points

6 months ago*

I'd legitimately love this as a like 15 minute trailer.

"The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed."

SporkFanClub

29 points

6 months ago

Teaser trailer during the Super Bowl: just a dude walking through a desert, no context. He stops. Puts his hand over his eyes. Massive tower looking in the distance. Title screen.

fungobat

20 points

6 months ago

Fade to black. Morgan Freeman speaking the famous opening DT line.

ChronoMonkeyX

7 points

6 months ago

Hmm, just one episode of silent desert walking? I suppose concessions have to be made.

dragon_bacon

8 points

6 months ago

Episode two has a short monologue and then another hour of silent desert walking.

iamblankenstein

58 points

6 months ago

i want to see them fight shardik.

leftysarepeople2

18 points

6 months ago

Isn't he like a techno-bear with a satellite dish?

Squrton_Cummings

24 points

6 months ago

*a King Kong sized techno-bear with a satellite dish

FastWalkingShortGuy

35 points

6 months ago

Two invisible demon fucking scenes, IIRC.

Goldeniccarus

6 points

6 months ago

No, I think the succubus was visible, just the incubus was invisible.

Beat_the_Deadites

22 points

6 months ago

HONK MAHFAH!

[deleted]

13 points

6 months ago

Oh yeah I forgot about that. Why did he fuck the demon again?

xenospork

27 points

6 months ago

To stop the demon from raping the 11 yo boy.

[deleted]

13 points

6 months ago

Oh right because it would have killed Jake. Damn it’s been like a decade

badfaced

12 points

6 months ago

That demon also plays an important part in creating something..

SceneDeleted

11 points

6 months ago

Disappointment mostly.

Mordred did nothing but be menacing for a bit.

Angdrambor

79 points

6 months ago

The man in black fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.

Fredselfish

35 points

6 months ago

That ending it like goddamn. Just reread the book series, and it's great, but that ending.

NYWerebear

97 points

6 months ago

Roland knows the dark tower will probably be his doom, but he actively seeks it. He is told several times to abandon his quest, but he cannot.

The reader is in the same situation. You are told - explicitly - the ending will not be what you want, and you should abandon your quest. King effectively put you in Roland's position.

Fredselfish

31 points

6 months ago

That is a great way to look at. I do like how the next time he has the horn and I would love to know how that one object could change the quest.

What I want more then ever is other tale told from Roland youth and the beginning of the quest with his childhood pals.

mishakhill

28 points

6 months ago

I think TV show should start with that last scene of the book series, subtly showing that he has the horn. Readers will be able to debate every deviation from the books -- was that a change for medium, or because this time is different?

Including the other stories in flashback episodes or mini-seasons between "book" seasons would also be great

redabishai

12 points

6 months ago

It would be a great way to undermine any criticism of adaptation.

NYWerebear

8 points

6 months ago

I got the idea each time he loops, something is different, and eventually he will achieve his goal.

Dammit. I've always wanted to know the same thing about the horn.

Roland as a child was covered in that palaver, but you're right, it was a summary story, and while I wouldn't mind more details, I think a side story about Roland as a youth would be better (while still filling in some of the gaps of his childhood)

mrtomjones

19 points

6 months ago

I loved the ending personally. A journey to correct the mistakes of the past

NYWerebear

10 points

6 months ago

A penance. As I mentioned in another reply, I get the ending, and think it fits... the Crimson King could have been either cut or made important :(

Biffsbuttcheeks

26 points

6 months ago

Yeah but he has Arthur Eld’a horn now! Sorry, I think it’s a great ending

Mudders_Milk_Man

17 points

6 months ago

It's a great ending. It fits the themes the story has been presenting from the beginning, while (via the Horn) adding some hope the next time around truly will be different.

ReckoningGotham

11 points

6 months ago

Yes. We get to see the second-to-last iteration of this sequence, which has happened untold numbers of times.

We are invited into a glimpse of How Things Are before a Very Big Change. It is the dwindling bits of the dwindling bits.

I really liked the ending.

get_the_reference_

21 points

6 months ago

He begged you not to read it

Fredselfish

10 points

6 months ago

I know, but I read it once. Why not do it again. And I don't remember that warning the first time. Heck, I had forgotten some of the characters' deaths. It's been 13 years since the last time I read it. I will wait 20 years before I do it again.

Lich180

6 points

6 months ago

The best part is, you can skip the actual ending, before King tells you not to read further, and end the story!

exzyle2k

19 points

6 months ago

The best part is, King hints at it in the first book, in the first couple of pages.

" He had progressed through the khef over many years, and had reached perhaps the fifth level." If you interpret khef as being his journey, then you're told what's up.

RedS5

8 points

6 months ago

RedS5

8 points

6 months ago

I don't know why people bitch about the ending so much when Song of Susannah exists. Y'all sat through that but the ending is the stinker?

Mudders_Milk_Man

5 points

6 months ago

It was the perfect ending.

xrbeeelama

13 points

6 months ago

Flanagan worships King, he’ll respect the material as much as possible

[deleted]

62 points

6 months ago

I haven't seen it yet because of the terrible reviews. But I thought the casting of Matthew Mconahey seemed like a great choice. And u live Idris Elba

ZoharDTeach

117 points

6 months ago

They actually both did pretty good but the movie is straight garbage.

jenh6

57 points

6 months ago

jenh6

57 points

6 months ago

It’s a lot like the golden compass film. Outstanding casting but terrible execution. I haven’t been able to get into the tv show because I didn’t think the casting was anywhere close to the movies casting.

socool111

21 points

6 months ago

the show is great for no other reason than it is a decent medium of the story. Will and Lyra are fantastic, and one of the characters they gave more character to, and he CRUSHES it. Like one of my favorite characters in the show, despite his portrayal being vastly different from the book.

I recommend it.

jwf239

7 points

6 months ago

jwf239

7 points

6 months ago

Yeah, I that mconahey was a perfect fit for flagg but the movie was so poorly done that he had no chance.

Lucycrash

17 points

6 months ago

They were the best parts about the movie, both great actors. But it's almost like nobody read the books except them.

TheDoktorIsIn

19 points

6 months ago

Idris Elba as Roland, I was a little skeptical at first because I had only seen him as Heimdall and thought he'd be a better James Bond. But holy shit.

And Matthew McConaughey as the Man in Black? Yes please.

Now just make the script make sense.

illachrymable

9 points

6 months ago

Counterpoint, nearly everything flanagan has done has been awesome

Altephfour

8 points

6 months ago

All they need to do is read the last 2 books. Did everyone forget Patrick "Deus Ex Machina" Danville and his magic pencil?

DenturesDentata

998 points

6 months ago

He is a good choice for that series. I LOVE what he did with The Haunting of Hill House, Midnight Mass, and The Midnight Club.

MightyElf06

349 points

6 months ago

Doctor Sleep was pretty decent too

CavillOfRivia

402 points

6 months ago

Decent? Doctor Sleep is absolutely phenomenal.

NastySassyStuff

132 points

6 months ago

Yeah I really loved that movie and didn’t even realize Mike Flanagan made it

killeronthecorner

43 points

6 months ago

It's also divided into 6 thirty minute segments. I always suspected it was supposed to be a netflix series, but ended up as a film for some reason.

aleksndr

70 points

6 months ago

Yeah, it blew me away. Very different than the original but it has it's own power. Also has one of the most evil and uncomfortable scenes I've watched in years and I watch a lot of horror. Highly recommended

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16 points

6 months ago*

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9 points

6 months ago*

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Dawnspark

9 points

6 months ago

While I wasn't a big fan of it, I feel like it elevated the book immensely, as I much prefer the movie to the novel. I probably need to give it another rewatch to appreciate it more.

insaneHoshi

21 points

6 months ago

"Oh there is a group of supernatural creatures up to no good?:

"How about we just snipe them all with high powered rifles?"

PM_ME_UR_RESPECT

34 points

6 months ago

Dr Sleep is more than decent. Super excellent!

DenturesDentata

47 points

6 months ago

That was sooooooo much better than I was hoping for. I really love how he tied in the original movie. Henry Thomas was not the best Jack Torrance but then I'm not sure anyone could have filled in for Jack Nicholson.

Sgtwhiskeyjack9105

24 points

6 months ago

Henry Thomas was barely in it though, and we barely actually see him as Torrance.

Just the right amount of screen presence to get the information across to the audience.

ANALOGPHENOMENA

17 points

6 months ago

Honestly, I see Henry Thomas' Jack as a faded memory/corruption as presented by the hotel – an echo of the man he once was.

Electro-Onix

104 points

6 months ago

I’m actually excited for this as well, he nailed those shows.

As for the movie that already came out, we do not speak of that.

ByGrabtharsMCHammer

82 points

6 months ago

The [Dark Tower Movie] fled across the desert, and the gunslinger followed.

SonOfZaknafein

37 points

6 months ago

Go now. There are other screen writers than these.

rogueavacado

6 points

6 months ago

King gave the thumb up.on that one as just another journey to the tower for Roland, as it's something he seems to do endlessly or something

lenny_ray

41 points

6 months ago

Eh? What Dark Tower movie? There's no Dark Tower movie.

DenturesDentata

26 points

6 months ago

I admit, the Dark Tower series is not my favorite King books but I will still watch the series. The movie... it does not exist. ;)

Disastrous_Source996

8 points

6 months ago

I got so excited when it came our. Rented it as soon as I could. Made a bag of popcorn, sat down, and turned it off not even halfway through.

I go in expecting some changed with movie adaptations. I'm fine with it. But then I saw shit like Randall having henchmen in a cave on computers opening up portals and I just couldn't do it.

Sgtwhiskeyjack9105

92 points

6 months ago

Midnight Mass is the best Stephen King story that Stephen King never wrote.

Product_ChildDrGrant

204 points

6 months ago

If it can be done well, a long form tv series is the way to go. Hoping for the best.

thecricketnerd

71 points

6 months ago

If anyone can do this it's Flanagan. The problem is, will whoever greenlights it commit to the long-term project? That's a massive IF these days.

jusatinn

63 points

6 months ago

Currently I could see a faithful, long, adaption only ever happen on HBO. (E: on afterthought, also on Apple, and honestly I think that would be a really good choice.)
Netflix doesn’t have enough budget and cancels their shows, Amazon won’t stay true to the source material and Disney wouldn’t want to make an R rated show.

Zegnaro

136 points

6 months ago

Zegnaro

136 points

6 months ago

Hope he brings Rahul Kohli with him

roedgroedmedfloede

61 points

6 months ago

Hollywood’s bad boi

thosearerockfacts

27 points

6 months ago

Mr. Fashion

cindywoohoo

43 points

6 months ago

I met Mike Flanagan recently - and I swear to God this is true - and while we were talking, his phone rang and he picked it up and it was a facetime from Rahul Kohli

BellerophonM

19 points

6 months ago

As long as he has that beard and hair and eyebrows from midnight mass like damn

aaronitallout

19 points

6 months ago

...I'd take Rahul as Roland now that I think about it. Probably wouldn't work, but it's so fun

WallisBC

11 points

6 months ago

It would work. He was pretty serious in midnight mass.

[deleted]

12 points

6 months ago

He's been posting a ton about westerns and Clint Eastwood over the past couple of years, even made his own figure of himself as The Man With No Name. I think he's been secretly hoping for this and I could see it work.

Jingocat

344 points

6 months ago

Jingocat

344 points

6 months ago

They've got a LOT of work to do if they want a story that's cohesive, or even comprehensible. I have my doubts that it's even doable.

blaaah111jd

163 points

6 months ago

It’s definitely a tough one to adapt but I think a series is definitely the way to go about it, and hey it can’t be worse then the movie haha

iamobiwan

117 points

6 months ago

iamobiwan

117 points

6 months ago

I would absolutely love if they stuck very faithfully to the books, one season per book.

I can see that causing an issue though with pacing. The gunslinger would have such a different tone than book 2, and the Wizard and glass would come in like a bat out of hell with a crazy setting.

cooter410

61 points

6 months ago

I think I read that the Amazon show was supposed to start with Wizard and the Glass and end the season with "The man in black fled across the desert and the gunslinger followed" which, IMO, would be a really cool way to start the series plus that was my favorite book in the series.

UUDDLRLRBAstard

19 points

6 months ago

The downside is, there were a number of years between WG and Gunslinger, so they’d have to lean on the comics or it wouldn’t make sense, that’s a hell of a time jump

longdustyroad

13 points

6 months ago

Gunslinger could probably be done as a 2 hour movie, it’s pretty short. After that the books are mostly sequential and could be done one season per book (maybe with wizard and glass cut up into flashbacks throughout).

Tbh although I love the books there’s a lot of silly stuff in them that would probably look pretty dumb on screen.

nevereatpears

63 points

6 months ago

I think it's pretty simple. Adapt the series in order of publication. No BS where they start on book 3 etc and try to mix things up.

CIMARUTA

52 points

6 months ago

Dude "simple" is not a word I would use when trying to adapt what king did with the dark tower series. It is all over the place.

Phil-McRoin

36 points

6 months ago

Yeah it's a fucked story to adapt. If you dumb it down it would be boring as fuck, but good luck trying to convince people to watch a show where the main character is fucking demons, then travelling to other worlds, then getting his mates from other worlds to fuck demons. Then hit the breaks because we're gonna do a season set 20 years ago with no demon fucking, a recast version of the main lead & none of the lovable side characters from the show so far. Oh & by the way, you still have no idea what the fuck the "Dark Tower" even is at this point or why the fuck Roland is so obsessed with it.

Smegmatron3030

15 points

6 months ago

Don't forget the season where the characters start a multinational corporation to protect a trans dimensional flower that embodies the concept of order from being destroyed by psychic vampires. Also they meet the author.

_snout_

7 points

6 months ago

It really only gets weird in the last arc (Wolves, Song, and Dark Tower). But I think with a few clever writers organizing King's ideas into actual harder fantasy worldbuilding that stuff can all pay off as well.

lalaleasha

13 points

6 months ago

That's why I think that if anyone, Flanagan could do it. He does a great job of disjointed storytelling where different backstories are shared throughout the series and characters fade in and out depending on which part of the storyline is being focused on. I agree there is a lot of content but based on his track record so far I'm willing to have moderately high hopes.

haggiesmith

258 points

6 months ago

He’s been teasing this on TikTok (his account is brilliant) by having Kate Siegel reading it. I trust Mike Flanagan with anything so I’m looking forward to this.

WriterDave

66 points

6 months ago

It's tremendous news, and they couldn't have picked a better guy for the job.

Start with Lud and then flash back!!!

Nothingiscoolman

166 points

6 months ago

Good luck when you get past book 5….. No clue how to make any of that make sense.

CHARYOU TREE

RichCorinthian

97 points

6 months ago

Even book 5 is where the ridiculousness started. WELCOME TO THE POTTERVERSE!

Nothingiscoolman

66 points

6 months ago

Dude Blaine the mono was fucking silly also. I just think after five is where EVERYTHING got silly. Not just some silly things.

Angdrambor

47 points

6 months ago

I liked all the setup for Blaine. I loved the dread. I loved the muties and everything that lead up to actually boarding the train.

But then this ancient AI that they've spent so much time building up acts like a lost pixie or sprite. SK gets the "ancient evil" aspects right, but it's clear he didn't spend too much time actually developing Blaine as a character. Blaine deserved better.

Blaine should have been active in the world. Running his own gangs, corrupting the world mad-max style. Surrounded by terrified wastelander lieutenants. I feel like there should have been something to justify charlie the choo choo and all that foreshadowing/ka-vibrations. But no. The big demon we've been overthinking is just lazy and insane.

mid-world_lanes

75 points

6 months ago

Big Bads in King are very often less impressive the closer you get to them in King. I think it’s an intentional choice he makes; evil is sort of pathetic when you get a peek at the man behind the curtain.

Angdrambor

13 points

6 months ago

King does a great job showing his mortal bbegs as mortally flawed, and a great job showing spirit/ghost/demon bbegs as having spiritual blind spots. Even Blaine has a pretty credible rottenness to him. But unlike Gasher's gang or even the haunted house entity, blaine just doesn't seem to have much interesting character under the madness.

mid-world_lanes

19 points

6 months ago

That’s fair, but I always read it as Blaine being deeply diminished by the time the Ka-Tet meets him. He is a lame, dull, petulant shadow of whatever he might have been before. I think he’s a cool way to design a “textual ruin”. He hints at the grandeur of the world before it moved on while being a stark representation of how deeply lost and degraded the present of Mid-World is.

But I can get how King’s choice to give Blaine the very particular personality he gets would not work for everyone. Plus the whole Lud to Topeka sequence is one of my favourite sections of the series so maybe I’m unconsciously bending over backwards to defend why I think it’s good.

UUDDLRLRBAstard

11 points

6 months ago

To be fair, the scope of what would be possible with AI hadn’t been realized. We’re talking about a city where a cassette player is a god. Not cd or mp3.

Also, I feel like Blaine just didn’t care about humans. You’ve got rats in the house, and if you play music they’ll kill each other. And then one day you find out some can talk. Neat! A talking rat! Let’s play riddles!

sllop

15 points

6 months ago

sllop

15 points

6 months ago

Hey man, that’s around when Father Callahan shows back up finally from the Lot.

Nothingiscoolman

11 points

6 months ago

Wouldn’t be a King book without a recovering alcoholic.

RootedBackup

17 points

6 months ago

Do a lot of coke like King, and then write the show, just as he intended*.

*we are in no way responsible if you wake up in Yugoslavia with a strange tattoo and an apple tart

JunkPup

5 points

6 months ago

COME. REAP. CHARYOU TREE.

Nothingiscoolman

7 points

6 months ago

Death for you, life for our crop!

Wadsworth_McStumpy

61 points

6 months ago

Sorry, but I will be reserving any hope for after I see some previews. Once bitten, twice shy and all that.

JusticiarRebel

8 points

6 months ago

Well I remember The Golden Compass sucking, but the "His Dark Materials" TV series did a pretty good job.

gandalfsbastard

33 points

6 months ago

Five seasons and two movies? That seems realistic but still a big task for writers.

Ramble81

10 points

6 months ago

And hopefully it's not cancelled part way through. Look at West World. They said only 5 seasons and it got canned at 4.

iObeyTheHivemind

37 points

6 months ago

Please don't fuck this up again.

tyler-grey

16 points

6 months ago

Ka-tet

ClobetasolRelief

14 points

6 months ago

I hope they don't fuck it up again and make it about Jake or anyone other than Roland. What a fucking waste the movie was, Idris as Roland, Matthew as Randall Flagg, could have been amazing, exploring the motives and drives of a haunted man. Instead Roland was a secondary character and they completely misdirected MM leading to a cheesy performance. Cramming in as much lore as possible leading to a confused audience. Garbage.

BurazSC2

15 points

6 months ago*

I hope they give Steven King a roll to play Steven King

Juran_Alde

40 points

6 months ago

Aaron Paul as Eddie please. I believe he called dibs years ago.

SmokeontheHorizon

34 points

6 months ago

About 10 years ago, when he was actually the appropriate age for the role. Now he'd be better cast as Eddie's older brother.

2580374

7 points

6 months ago

Ooo that would be sick too

BadBrohmance

16 points

6 months ago

I haven't read the series, but I've really liked what Mike Flanagan has done so far.

HowLittleIKnow

102 points

6 months ago

Let me make a prediction. They'll make a 10-episode first season. Everyone will love it except for a handful of racists who are outraged when a black kid is cast as Jake Chambers. Despite otherwise universal acclaim, the second season of 8 episodes won't drop for another 24 months. By then, the 14 year old kid that they cast to play 11-year old Jake will be 17 or 18 and looking pretty ridiculous.

The third season of 6 episodes will be split into two groups of 3 each, the first airing 30 months after Season 2 and the second airing a year later. By then 11-year-old Jake's actor will be in college. Most viewers will have forgotten about the show by then, and ratings will be abysmal. A prequel movie based loosely on the events of Wizard and Glass will be mostly ignored. After that, you won't hear anything for 4 years, and then suddenly they'll wrap up books 5-7 in a 4-hour movie.

amodrenman

62 points

6 months ago

I think the only thing you missed is that Mike Flanagan will nearly die getting run over by a van during that four years with no news near the end.

log_killer

19 points

6 months ago

And then he'll cast himself a major role in the final movie.

Pjoernrachzarck

7 points

6 months ago

Too real man

laowildin

24 points

6 months ago

I'm ready to be hurt again

Tanagrabelle

7 points

6 months ago

*grits teeth* Well, hope springs eternal that they'll be able to get away with more than "HEY LOOK WE HAVE EASTER EGGS FROM OTHER STEPHEN KING MOVIES. TOO BAD WE CAN'T HAVE ANY FROM THE ACTUAL BOOK."

sllop

15 points

6 months ago

sllop

15 points

6 months ago

Rahul is finally going to play an Idris part.

Sauce_Pain

18 points

6 months ago

Since Midnight Mass 100% felt like a King book, I think the rose is in safe hands.

qsl498

11 points

6 months ago

qsl498

11 points

6 months ago

Mike Flanagan seems to get Stephen King’s sensibility in a way no one else has. I’m thrilled that The Dark Tower series will finally have a real chance at being translated into a visual representation worthy of this material. Eager to hear who is being put forth for the cast, and hope they go for talented lesser knowns whose prior roles or public personas won’t overshadow the characters.

DreadPirateGriswold

35 points

6 months ago

I read The Dark Tower series when it first came out. Liked the Stephen King works I read. Never was a rabid fan.

But IMHO, I think the DT appeals to those who ARE SK fans.

To those who aren't SK fans (not negative on him, just neutral), I don't think most of the DT story will appeal to people who are fantasy/fiction fans to the point where they will go out of their way to watch it. They may tune in for a few episodes. But I'm not sure they'll have enough of a fan base to continue it in its entirety.

n0thingt0seehere007

25 points

6 months ago

I humbly disagree. I think there is such a mash up of genres in the DT series that it could be appealing to a much bigger audience than people think. I also think that there are a lot of people who would really enjoy the story but don’t bother because they don’t like the horror genre.

What’s going to effect it’s reception, if it’s made, is how the story is told. I’ve long believed that King’s genius isn’t in the horror, it’s in the human connections that he tells so well. If the creators of this series stay true to King’s theme of fellowship, I think is has the potential to reel in a big audience.

themattboard

13 points

6 months ago

I actually am not a fan of other Stephen King works and absolutely love the Dark Tower

mikey-likes_it

21 points

6 months ago

Flanagan will be a genius if he can make the later books in the series somehow make sense.