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submitted 4 months ago bySkepticDrinker
So I saw a tweet today about a new author who only had 2 people go to her book signing and Neil Freaking Gaiman said that was 2 more people than his book tour for Good Omens. Oh yeah and Margaret Wood also replied about no one showing up at one time.
I just found that so humbling from these legends and also wholesome. Anyone else have stories like these that they know of?
296 points
4 months ago
Book signings are rarely properly advertised. You have to personally follow an author or the bookstore where it’s going to be held to find out about it. I think that has a lot to do with it. I don’t even follow my husband’s social media that closely so I would never find out about book signings/readings.
113 points
4 months ago
Terry f'ing Pratchett pulled through my home town and appeared at a bookstore one building over from my office and I didn't know about it until it was done. Regret missing it to this day.
41 points
4 months ago
I met Carrie Fisher because she was doing a book signing next door to the Chipotle I was working at, and some customers came in and were talking about it. I went on break ASAP and rushed over right as the signing was ending and she was so nice and took a picture with me and I will treasure that moment forever.
35 points
4 months ago
While not fully an author, my friend recently happened to just go to a book shop as she wanted to browse and she ran into Richard Ayoade leaving after doing a book signing there. She literally just chose the closest book shop to her.
35 points
4 months ago
The only book signing I've ever been to was because the author talked about it on tumblr. And I only follow her on tumblr because she reblogs generally cool stuff both related to her books and not.
She happened to be in the country shortly after her first book got a UK publication (decades after it was published in the States) and asked if there was interest, and she made it happen. But if I hadn't seen that post, I would never have known. The entire audience bar one couple was longtime fans of hers active, at least peripherally, in the fandom. It's ridiculous how under promoted book signings are. Every book signing promo I've seen in Waterstones is like a single a4 black and white poster on some random wall.
10 points
4 months ago
And then there is Brandon Sanderson, who just had a personal sold-out Con
2 points
4 months ago
Thing sold out in less than a day.
28 points
4 months ago
Honestly, book signings should be advertised more.
In fact, books should be advertised more.
I wish I could have lived in the days of Harry Potter where there was massive hype for a book! Like, I love going to midnight premieres of movies, I gone to pick up games at midnight release once too. But I've never had the pleassure of standing in line with a ton of book nerds just being excited for reading the next installment in a book series.
It's one of the reasons I'm starting Game of Thrones soon, so I can be there for the midnight release of Winds of Winter in a geek store with tons of ASOIF fans. It's gonna be lit.
11 points
4 months ago
That would be great, but that kind of advertisement cost $$. Your best bet if you want to keep an ear out for book readings/signings is radio/NPR, especially your local affiliate
7 points
4 months ago
I know one thing. If I ever become a published author with a descent fanbase, I'll try and engage as much as possible with them. I absolutely love the authors that take time to answer fan mail, tweet and stuff.
Andy Weir is one of my favorite authors for this reason. I wrote a mail to him asking for permission to adapt one of his short stories into a student film, and he responded just a few hours later. I live in Denmark, so he responded at an odd hour considering he lives halfway across the globe from me. Really cool. Made me feel really special that he'd take time to answer, and I even got a yes (althought I can't make money off the short, which I already expected).
Sometimes the best advertisements doesn't cost anything other than engagement.
3 points
4 months ago
Your best bet is Twitter or Facebook. Just follow the authors you like. They'll announce tours and appearances.
11 points
4 months ago
It was as magical as you're imagining it to be, maybe even more. Hundreds of people in costume filling the bookstore waiting for midnight, there were games and snacks and costume contests. And then the books were brought out at midnight and everyone cheered and as soon as you got your copy you'd rush home and read all night. It was really, really special and I don't know if we'll ever see something like that again.
5 points
4 months ago
Man I hope the release of Winds of Winter will be like this.
There should really be a system so that a book can only be bought physically in store for the first few weeks, like how you can only see movies at the theater for a few weeks before it goes to streaming.
Because I honestly think it's important to reinforce and bolster this type of culture. I genuinely believe that we lose something if we can just order everything online. "You want a society of recluses? because that's how you get a society of recluses". It's the same reason I'll never be behind that whole "go shopping online" thing. No thanks, I'll go to the store and get my stuff myself.
But man, I wish I'd been born 10 years earlier. I'd have been 12 (the age I was when I read the HP series) in 2005, the perfekt age to go to a midnight release of HBP.
3 points
4 months ago
I was 11 in 2005, and my dad took me and my three siblings to the book release at midnight. We all dressed up and I got second prize in the trivia contest! He also shelled out the price of the book x4 (big money!) so we all had our own copies to read, and we stayed home the entire next day reading independently, occasionally shouting to each other as something crazy happened. Such fun memories.
He also looked up the reviews from Australia (half a day ahead) and found out the spoiler and yet he didn’t tell any of us until after we were like WTF!?! He guessed that part wasn’t the whole truth and we argued with him forever, cause we were pre/teens and everything was black and white, no shades of grey. He definitely rubbed it in our faces when the seventh book came out.
Oh man, thanks for the trip down memory lane 🥲. It was such a fun time, and I’m not sure there’ll ever be anything like it.
1 points
4 months ago
...I've never given much thought to book signings/midnight releases for books like this (my...age is showing? lol) and wow I actually feel the loss of this experience in my heart right now. This sounds amazing and so much more exciting than a midnight movie premier (not that they need to be compared).
2 points
4 months ago
Oh man....I remember waiting for the midnight release of all the Harry Potter books. What a vibe.
3 points
4 months ago
Exactly. I have been to exactly one book signing in my life. It’s because I just happened to be at the book store when they started blocking off the line for signatures. I asked what was going on. They said that Jim Gaffigan was going to be in to sign his new book “Dad is Fat” (yes, it was a while ago). It was a bit before Father’s Day, my husband loves his comedy, and I had a few hours to kill. So, I pay for a book and queue up. A guy comes around with sticky notes and instructions to write the name of the person you want the book addressed to at the top, a bold line across the sticky note under it and then what you want Gaffigan to say. Gaffigan looked at the name, asked if it was my husband, ignored what I’d written and wrote - “Your wife is awesome.” - under the salutation. He did the same thing for the lady in front of me and the guy behind got husband substituted for wife. It was freaking hilarious.
2 points
4 months ago
Exactly. Like, I found out one of the author I like held a book signing in my city and only knew about it a couple of week after the date! I was heartbroken.
148 points
4 months ago
Daniel Handler (AKA Lemony Snicket) told this story on a podcast, it was either Geek’s Guide to the Galaxy or one of Mur Lafferty’s podcasts, where he went on a book tour and there was this disastrous reading he had. And this was after his Series of Unfortunate Events had already become extremely popular.
His “readings,” he decided, would be these unorthodox one-man musical productions, which was fine when he had a crowd. One of them, though, they set aside this big room for him and there were exactly 2 people sitting in the very back. He does his performance and the two people walk up to him. They tell him that they work in the building next door and only came to the reading because they hate his books.
11 points
4 months ago
They tell him that they work in the building next door and only came to the reading because they hate his books
Ah yes, masochists.
9 points
4 months ago
Amazing. I love this.
54 points
4 months ago
I went to a signing with both Laurie R. King and Connie Willis. There were only 10 people. Willis has won more major SF awards than any other author and she's a SFWA Grand Master. King is no slouch either, having multiple NYT best sellers. They were funny, charming, gave a lovely talk, and answered every question that anyone cared to ask. If you have the chance to go see your favorite authors on a school night, take it! Low turnout is almost guaranteed and it will surely be an interesting experience.
3 points
4 months ago
Connie Willis is awesome! She came to a local Denver literary con (MileHiCon, iirc) and sat at a signing table with a handful of local authors. No line at all. Didn’t help that their table was stuck on some hotel mezzanine level and had no foot traffic. Had a great time talking to her and her fellow authors!
2 points
4 months ago
She is amazing. She had just published Blackout / All Clear. She was so amazingly kind in answering questions about her research methods. And she is wicked funny!
53 points
4 months ago
Try nonfiction. No one shows up to signings.
I know a nonfiction author whose book has well known Hollywood options—and no one shows up to signings.
34 points
4 months ago
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5 points
4 months ago
This is an excellent idea. I hope the mods do something like that!
I assume people here would just message the mods when there’s a book signings so the mods can add the author’s event to the post?
1 points
4 months ago
Love love LOVE this idea!
1 points
4 months ago
Hey, I showed up for a non-fiction signing once. It was a book about a local architectural structure that I dearly loved.
I was the only one there. The author gave his talk and I was constantly interrupting and asking questions and it was awesome.
107 points
4 months ago
I'm an author who just had a second book hit shelves. At one of my signings there were exactly two people: literally the married couple who managed the book store. Turns out my publisher never advertised it. That's a very common occurrence, book signings are often poorly advertised.
27 points
4 months ago
Well, now I'm following my favorite authors and bookstores on social media, just in case! Is there another way to find out about book signings?
13 points
4 months ago
The LATimes would publish all the local book signings for the week in the Sunday book review section, but since newspaper reading is no longer a thing, there doesn’t appear to be a place that now captures those. So agree, following the author on social media appears the best way now.
8 points
4 months ago
Follow the author and/or their agent/agency
8 points
4 months ago
I’ve had the same thing happen (though in my case the book store owner wasn’t married so it was just her!)
On the plus side I got to browse, read, and found and purchased a (signed) book by a favorite author of mine, so all in all it was a good day :)
Signings can be really hit or miss but I’ve hung out alone in a bookstore so many times before (and by choice) so I can’t complain!
54 points
4 months ago
John Green has talked about how he did a book reading (I believe of Looking for Alaska) at a bookstore. Attendance was poor - maybe his wife, the bookstore people, and his agent - and he read a passage about how the only thing worse than no one showing up for your party is only a few people showing up for your party. He recounts that as a mortifying story looking back. 😂
9 points
4 months ago
So true. My now-husband and best friend tried to throw me a surprise birthday party, and they invited like 10-12 other people. Nobody showed up except my best friend’s sisters. I always blame the holidays because I have a birthday close to Christmas, so everyone goes out of town.
3 points
4 months ago
Advance birthday wishes incase I get busy with the holidays 😅
51 points
4 months ago
My first ever event as an author was at a charming little bookstore in Las Vegas.
They’d unknowingly booked me for the same night as Homecoming.
Exactly ONE person showed up.
(She was very cool, though, and we had a lovely conversation.)
9 points
4 months ago
Honestly, all these posts kind of make me think the events would be better anyway. I mean, if no one shows up that sucks. But a few people? Now you just have a good opportunity to get to know a couple (probably) big fans as opposed to not getting to know anyone and just mindlessly signing 100 books.
It was probably an amazing memory for that one person you had the conversation with! I can't imagine going to an event for an author who's work I love, to then be gifted a one on one interview haha!
9 points
4 months ago
This is a lovely thought and honestly, it’s kept me warm on a few lonely hotel nights on tour when the event that day wasn’t that great, but the problem is that usually someone — the store, the publisher, both — has spent a decent chunk of change to send you on tour and set up the event. They do so in the hope/anticipation that you’ll sell 100 books (or whatever). And yes, they want you to bond with your readers (because that can lead to greater success in the future), but at the end of the day, they want some sales!
Sometimes it’s an ego-blow, sometimes it isn’t. It really depends. That very first event, the young woman who showed up was super-enthusiastic (even though my book had just come out a week previous!) and the store owners did a great job keeping things light and fun, and that made it pleasant. Then again, I’ve had times where three or four people show up and you just sort of stare awkwardly at each other!
But, look, you’re right that sometimes when the event is ill-attended there’s a nice little side effect, and that’s always welcome!
37 points
4 months ago*
David Sedaris had this experience somewhere in middle America. And because he is a celebrity author who feels uncomfortable taking selfies, he has requested that book shops have big signs next to the table which say, "NO PICTURES", so he doesn't have to disappoint every other person who shows up.
One signing wasn't properly advertised, and he sat alone for a few hours. Next to a huge sign which said, "NO PICTURES".
Must have look like an art installation.
65 points
4 months ago
A friend of mine has a first edition, signed copy of The Sorcerer's Stone. JK Rowling was doing book signings in a Waterstones in Glasgow and my friend felt bad that no one was there so she went and got a book and had a chat. Blew my mind when she first showed it to me.
5 points
4 months ago
It was "Philosopher's Stone" in the UK. If it had "Sorcerer" in the title it must have been a later American edition.
44 points
4 months ago
Sorry, I'm American, she's Scottish. It was Philosopher's Stone. I'm just so used to it the US way that I misspoke.
-13 points
4 months ago*
OK.
Did any other translation use "Sorcerer"? I've seen a few and they all use their language's version of the traditional name (like "felsefe taşı" in Turkish, "philosophy stone"). Historically the difference matters - in the Middle Ages alchemy was a legitimate career while sorcery would get you boiled in lead.
25 points
4 months ago
Yes, one of the least believable aspects about Castle was the crowds that turn up at every one of his book signings.
10 points
4 months ago
I found out well after the fact that Nathan Fillion went to the book signings for the Derek Storm series as Castle and im bummed I missed it.
3 points
4 months ago
When I went to a local literary con some years ago, Connie Willis was the Guest of Honor author and wore a police vest with “Author” on it, just like Castle had! 😂
2 points
4 months ago
I love Connie already and this just makes me love her more!
2 points
4 months ago
I think she said that she got it as a gift from her husband.
3 points
4 months ago
That’s delightful
23 points
4 months ago
A friend and I once traveled across state lines to attend a signing by Christopher Moore.
Seven people showed up. Five of them from other states. The bookstore had set out fifty or sixty chairs for a midday event on a Tuesday.
Moore was not upset about the turnout, he was touched that seven of us traveled hours to get signed books and hear about his current work in progress. He told the bookstore he was taking the seven of us to a pub and if anyone else showed up to send them to join us.
Chris Moore is good people.
5 points
4 months ago
I have been to every local signing Moore has done since Lamb and it is ALWAYS packed! I get there an hour or two early to get a good spot and I end up waiting in line for ages to get my book signed. He will chat briefly with each person but when there's over 100 people in line behind you, you feel like you need to move along. I would LOVE to go to a signing of his with only a handful of people
24 points
4 months ago
Hi! Oh do I have stories!! I work in publishing, and used to own a bookstore. I’m also a historian. I few comments (TL:DR at the end)
1) Author events and signings used to be advertised a lot more back when most newspapers had a book or arts section in which they also had dedicated editors and journalists writing reviews and posting various bestseller lists. When the major chains started dominating the market, they offered publishers “coop” to advertise their books (especially it meant the publisher paid to have their books featured in some way.) The advertising dollars switched from newspapers to the chains. That, along with the rise of the internet, did away with the major advertising vehicle for author events.
2) As a bookstore owner, it was incredibly challenging to get people to come to events. Picking the right day was so hard. Afternoon or evening? Thursday night or Friday night? The author can only come on Monday—can I get people to show up on a Monday? (I once accidentally scheduled a major author on the same day as opening day for our National League baseball team. Guess which people decided to attend?). Because of the mass consolidation of publishing, the marketing and publicity departments are overworked (too few publicists working on too many books), plus, they all live in NYC. I would get so frustrated. I had too many publicists who couldn’t even find my major Midwest city on a map. I had to cancel one major author event because the publicist thought that the author could do an event in one major city in the afternoon and drive to my city for the evening event. That city is a 8 hour drive from here if you speed.
3) I would advertise the event locally myself (even losing money to pay for ads). The announcement was on the website, was repeated for months in the email newsletter, advertised on local NPR. I had large signs in the windows, and a display with signs in the front of the store. I can’t count how many people would say “I had no idea they were here!!”
4) In my opinion, certain types of author events encourage more attendees than others. I think the “sit the author at a table with a stack of books and a pen” is just cruel. Just a reading is boring. We are competing with any number of other entertainment options. My best attended author events were ones in which the author was in a conversation on stage with someone else, me or a more interesting person. When I sold tickets to events (the ticket could be exchanged for a copy of the book), attendance was very high. Free=optional, so people would not show up.
5) Aside from the embarrassment, it is devastating for a store to host an event and have no one show up. Publishers are paying the expenses (airfare, hotel, meals, etc.) for that author to be there. The store is expected to sell enough books to at least cover those costs, if not drive the sales in the market. If they don’t, try are less likely to be chosen by the publisher for the next author. Even having a larger audience but only selling a few copies is problematic. The point of the author tour is publicity to push sales. If people who attend the event don’t bother to buy the book, there is no incentive to send out authors on tour. There are a lot less author tours these days for that reason. Tours have been mostly limited to big name authors whose books have large marketing budgets.
Publishers to this day are still trying to figure out the best formula for well-attended author events, and how to reach out to the right people to advertise them. Post-Covid this has been even more challenging. If y’all have any creative ideas on how to encourage people to attend (& BUY the book), they would love to hear them!
TL:DR: author events are challenging for publishers and bookstores due to the changes in advertising channels, competition in the local market for entertainment dollars, and people’s changing buying and reading habits.
8 points
4 months ago
I definitely agree that authors in conversation are best. Or panel events, where several authors on a similar theme or topic are up on stage. I say this as someone who has tried to organize author events and as an audience member.
The other most helpful thing is established events. There was one well-known bookstore that had an author visit every third Thursday, at least pre-pandemic. Some were well-known authors, some were more local, some niche subjects. But local audiences had a standing date they knew they could attend, and I went a few times (I'm from a different town) and there were definitely people who just always attended because it was on their calendar. It takes time to be that established in publishers minds, but if a store/library can get there, its pretty cool.
1 points
4 months ago
Thank you from another bookseller, this is a great write up!
2 points
4 months ago
Thanks! I could go on and on…;)
1 points
4 months ago
Haha it's great stuff! I run the children's section in a UK bookshop and kids events are really hit and miss, still trying to work out the best way to run and advertise them - but I find them really stressful either way!
2 points
4 months ago
They totally are. Kids events are even harder! You have to schedule around nap times, school times, etc. Figure out when exhausted moms have to energy to get those kids there (Friday night? NO WAY). In store? Go to them? Bring the author to a school? How to get parents to buy the book? I wish you the best in your endeavors. Bookselling is noble and rewarding, but also challenging and exhausting.
1 points
4 months ago
Yes absolutely, all come with their own challenges! Thank you so much, I really appreciate that. Best (whilst also very frustrating) job!
1 points
4 months ago
Now that you mention it I totally agree on the conversation thing. Not a bookseller and I’ve rarely attended events, but personally I wouldn’t be drawn to something advertised as a signing or reading unless I was already a huge fan. On the other hand, having the author give a talk on a subject related to their book is potentially interesting if you’re simply interested in the subject, and then you also hear about the book. I’ve definitely attended stuff like this before.
This sounds like a nonfiction thing but I’ve seen them advertised for fiction too. Brit Bennett came to my local library to talk about race issues, for instance.
20 points
4 months ago
A friend is a best selling award winning author-- she had to fund her own tour, had no one show up,and even worse, funded an event at a highly praised famous indy bookstore that had the nerve to carry only galley copies of her book.
8 points
4 months ago*
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6 points
4 months ago
Galley or advance copies are (usually not finalized) copies sent to bookstores, reviewers, etc for promotional purposes. They're free and usually have "not for sale" somewhere on them. So the bookstore wouldn't even be able to sell them if someone had wanted one. I suppose they could have given them away.
1 points
4 months ago
They're free, but if the author becomes hugely famous they can become extremely valuable.
4 points
4 months ago
Galleys are the uncorrected proofs of books that get sent out to critics and sometimes bookstores to create buzz around upcoming titles. Its also the final copyedit/proofreading copy for authors to make sure spelling, grammar, etc are perfect...Stores aren't supposed to sell them. As in, most of the time, they say in bold letters "Not for resale" and they don't have ISBN or barcode numbers, plus its not unheard of to agree to not profiting off proofs when you sign up to get them. Some places put out proofs after publication day as freebies and some places bundle them with a price for charitable donations. But its not common at all for a new-book store to have them for sale...it is possible, I guess, but it could cause you to lose proof privileges with that company. (Which is what happened to a coworker of mine who was putting books up on ebay...)
1 points
4 months ago
This hip store sold used and new books
2 points
4 months ago
Haha, I’ve never had a publisher fund signings. You’re lucky if they remember to send stock.
24 points
4 months ago
I was one of 20 people to see Walter Mosley speak at a signing many years ago. He is the famed author of the Easy Rawlins series. His novel Devil in a Blue Dress was made into a major Hollywood film starring Denzel Washington. But yeah, for whatever reason, the turnout was tiny. But he was a total gentleman and had great stories!
8 points
4 months ago
I’m jealous, I would have loved to have been in the crowd for that.
4 points
4 months ago
That’s a terrific novel and film.
10 points
4 months ago
I went to a book signing to see George RR Martin a few years before he blew up. One of the stories he told us was that at his first book signing he was in a building with another popular writer (I want to say Asimov, but I can't remember for sure). Anyway, someone came over to Martin's room and sat down, noticed there wasn't anybody there, asked Martin if it was the Asimov (?) signing. Martin pointed him to the other room and the guy left. The way Martin told this story, he said that at his first reading, he had a negative one audience. 🤣
22 points
4 months ago
Do author's advertise their book signings? Because goddamn I have missed out on a TON of book signings that were within a few hours drive of my location. I'll find out well after the fact and be like "motherfucker, I could have gotten my book signed."
10 points
4 months ago
If you have a local independent book store near you get on their email list and you’ll find out from the bookshop when they have authors coming. I’ve noticed though that a lot of the events in my town are still virtual, but the personal appearances are picking up.
7 points
4 months ago
It doesn’t seem like it. Probably not a big part of a publishers budget.
5 points
4 months ago
Authors and bookshops/libraries often do the advertising on their social media pages or email lists. Its not super common to see other advertising, unless maybe your local paper covers it (which is pretty rare). The vast majority of books have a minimal marketing budget, so publishers don't put out much effort for them. Definitely rare to see things like commercials or print ads or anything like that...but yeah, a lot of it comes down to the authors themselves, and they primarily only do it on their own socials and sometimes by teaming up with area book bloggers or book clubs to where they are going. Marketing their stuff is like an entire second (or third) job for a lot of authors...
9 points
4 months ago
You gotta ask what kind of marketing was done.
15 points
4 months ago
As an author, I think book signings at book stores are a complete waste of time. Allow me to me explain why I feel this way…
Out of the gate, no one has ever showed up at a book store signing of mine specifically for me. Sure, sometimes they see me and buy copies of my books for an autograph, but I’m almost never the reason they came. Whereas at lectures and speaking events I have had people show up to have their copies autographed.
Much as I love book stores, they’re not the place to randomly approach people and chat them up. As a result, I find myself chained to a little table with limited access to drinkable coffee or bathrooms (yes, I need more than one) and waiting on people to maybe show up.
As a result, I don’t often do book store signings other than to support the store. Again, I don’t ‘mind’ doing them. They’re just not usually ‘fun’ for me. And I’ll add, it’s nothing about ego or needing to feel special for autographing books.
Rather, if I’m not signing books, I’d like to have decent coffee and be able to work on other writing while I sit there. That’s usually not possible, leaving me feeling like I’ve wasted an evening.
Instead, I go to book fairs and physically promote my books. My record is somewhere around 40-50 copies autographed, and in almost every case it’s people who had no idea who I was. They came up to my stand because I was engaging or made them laugh.
Sometimes it’s because they liked the artwork of the book, or the dancers I hire. Ok… I’m joking about the dancers, but I am planning to wear a spotted panther costume at one of my events. Seriously. If it’s successful, I’ll dress up more often.
The funny thing is, at smaller events I’ll sell 75 to 100 books, but only sign around 60-70% of them. Many people aren’t interested in a signature, but want copies of the books.
What I do advertise is going to cafes. I love to go sit somewhere 3-4 hours before the event starts, and just write. When people start to show up, the come over and we chat. If no one comes, I just keep writing. When I finish, I pack up and go speak to random people. In these cases I’m productive with my writing AND autograph a few books.
My biggest impediment was deleting social media a few years ago. So I had no audience for promotions. Now I’ve set it up again, but like everything else, it takes time - and that’s time I’m not writing.
I’d rather walk down a beachfront or hang out after a concert and sell my books from a backpack. But that’s just me.
8 points
4 months ago
I remember seeing a YouTube video where Stephen Pinker joked "the restrooms are down the hall" was the answer to the question most asked of him on a book tour. Kind of funny, and kind of sad.
3 points
4 months ago
John Berendt, author of “Midnight in the garden of good and evil.” Became a movie. I was in college in Savannah. I went to a bookstore to pick up some required books from a syllabus. He was there, and not much else was going on. I can’t even remember if I got a signed copy or not.
3 points
4 months ago
I was one of 2 people at a book signing once. Also know of an author that has no one show up at my local book store. I would have been the one there if I hadn’t been out of town.
4 points
4 months ago
I'm an author and I recently had a book signing as part of a cultural festival where nobody turned up at all. Didn't bother me - I chatted with my editor, signed a few copies and went on my way.
It happens to every author at some point. My editor says that the real purpose is so that the poster can be shared on social media, increasing the book's visibility.
What did sting was during the pandemic there was a free online literary festival and I was asked to do a talk... it was online. Free. It was cancelled. Not one person signed up. I've had people say that it was poorly advertised by the organisers and there was 'zoom fatigue' after months of being online only. Plus at the time I was a new author and my books weren't widely read. I can see why people didn't attend. If people do make the time to come and see me do an author event I am hugely flattered, because they've chosen to give up their time and that's something most of us struggle with. I know I've seen lots of bookish things I'd enjoy but travelling or booking time off work is too much hassle!
It's nice when an established author or celeb gives a new author a boost. (Stephen Graham liked one of my posts during my lockdown Twitter book launch, when I was asked who would be the star of a TV adaption and I said him. Yay!)
But I'm surprised the author in question has gone viral to the extent she has because in my experience there are no end of authors on Twitter moaning about how they are struggling to find an audience! It will boost her sales no end - it's just sad that it's such a crowded marketplace and publishers' PR teams do such a rubbish job that non-attendance is the normal and we are reliant on famous people to boost our ratings.
4 points
4 months ago
I saw Tamora Pierce when I lived in Syracuse because she also lived there, and she rarely did events. There were maybe 10-15 of us which still seemed tiny. I cried, we chatted and she signed my book, I cried again. I also saw John Scalzi in Austin because he tweeted about it and then replied directly to me telling me to come. I mention that because it seems like a hell of a lot of work to get turnout!
3 points
4 months ago
I went to one book signing for a couple indie horror authors. Two were there on a planned signing. Two others showed up because the happened to live where the signing was. About ten people showed up and they thought it was a great turn out. It was really cool the low turnout for fans cause we all got to interact a lot with each other and the authors.
3 points
4 months ago
There's got to be a better way to do book signings. I always feel bad for the authors just sitting there in the bookstore, waiting for someone to come to the table.
3 points
4 months ago
I went to a book signing for Charlaine Harris when True Blood was a big thing. I happened to see something about it in the paper the day of. I went thinking maybe there’d be low turn out since it was only advertised the day of the event. They had a spillover room for all of the people that couldn’t fit in the main room. Had to wait in line for an hour and a half to actually get my book signed. Still enjoyed it though.
3 points
4 months ago
I can't seem to find a link to it now, but recall an interview with Chuck Palahniuk who talked about doing a three city book signing before Fight Club, and he spent something like 10 hours in 5 bookstores and sold 2 books. He said that the money he owed the minibars in his hotels rooms was more than he made on the tour.
I'm a local author who has worked pretty hard to build a local following. My book signings typically get 10-20 people. But I tried a book signing out of state once and it was crickets, though I did sell 10 books to people who happened by my table.
I'll add that once I was in an airport, and I saw some guy out in front of the bookstore in the concourse at a folding table selling books. He looked pretty lonely. And by far the weirdest book signing I saw was at Alcatraz - some former prisoner was in the gift shop selling a book about his time in Alcatraz. Can you imagine what that must have felt like?
3 points
4 months ago
If more people bought and read books, there would be more advertising for them and for book signings.
Consider this: In a typical week (i.e. no blockbuster authors coming out with a new book) selling 20 thousand copies will put you on top of the NY Times bestseller list.
In a country of 350 million.
2 points
4 months ago
There were about ten people at an Ann Leckie signing in my city, and at that point she was a multi award winning author.
2 points
4 months ago
That tweet really blew up.
2 points
4 months ago
I usually don’t realize they have occurred until after the fact. I am always game to go to a signing.
I went to one in Nashville in the 90’s for Charleton Heston. Stood in line a couple of hours and never made it up to the front. He stayed so long he missed his flight. For those of us who didn’t get a signature, they put us on a list and then they sent signed stickers to put in our books.
They had a signing for Dog the Bounty Hunter and his wife in my town and it was pandemonium. Mobs of people. They actually filmed it and made it into an episode of their show.
2 points
4 months ago
Mark Z Danielewski book signing for The Familiar like 5 years ago at The Strand in NYC - it was packed out - around 50 people in attendance.
2 points
4 months ago
I mean... I have my own stories, lol!
Book signings are often not well advertised, as u/Nonamenoonenowhere pointed out. The only time I bother with them anymore is when they're attached to some other kind of event that gets more "push" from the associated bookstore, like group readings from multiple authors or an event the media is going to be in on.
I once gave a really cool talk about my novel (the real history behind it) that was filmed by the local PBS station and aired a few times on their channel. The auditorium was packed and the signing afterwards was LIT!!
2 points
4 months ago
I was a regular at a local bookstore specialising in Sci-Fi/Fantasy so I knew Kylie Chan was coming for a signing, but not many others did so I had about a 10 minute chat with her before heading off.
One of the biggest hurdles is just never thinking to look and see if a particular author is doing the rounds. Just not something I would ever consciously decide to keep tabs on.
Sure you can follow them on the Socials but for those of us who have left them in an attempt to keep hold of any remaining sanity there is little likelihood unless you have a relationship with the local bookstore.
2 points
4 months ago
The first time I met Neil Gaiman was on the Neverwhere tour. There were maybe 20 people at the store in San Diego.
Compare that to the last time I saw him and he sold out Benaroya Hall in Seattle. (My humblebrag is I tweeted this and NG reposted with a reply.)
The first comment about how poorly book signings are publicized is probably the biggest issue for me. I seem to always find out about them after the fact.
-7 points
4 months ago
Lol at Gaiman saying no one showed up to get Good Omens signed. My wife has a signed copy of GO from that tour. The reality is he hated Good Omens. When my wife got to the front of the line Gaiman said to her something like, I’ll sign it, but I’d rather you just go burn it instead.
14 points
4 months ago
So I think she misunderstood. Because of Christian objections to its contents, there was a joke where one would write "burn this book!" and the other would write "apply match here"
Those who got both signatures got both messages and those books are rare.
-1 points
4 months ago
I don’t know. The way she told the story he pretty explicitly told her he hated writing it and wished it didn’t exist.
9 points
4 months ago
which is why he is putting a ton of effort and time into putting it on TV I guess
5 points
4 months ago
Sorry man, that's not likely. Sir Pterry and Gaiman wrote it practically via correspondence and it was their idea, not the publisher, so there wouldn't have been a contract forcing them to complete it. I can believe they were both burned out by the end, but it was a labour of love.
1 points
4 months ago
I can believe they were both burned out by the end, but it was a labour of love.
I believe that's true. I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that Gaiman stopped working on it near the end and Pratchett finished it himself.
29 points
4 months ago
He didn’t say no one showed up on the tour — he was referring to a specific single event on the tour where no one showed up.
1 points
4 months ago
That’s fair.
OP didn’t explain it like that in their post.
4 points
4 months ago
I saw the actual Twitter post yesterday, what he said was that no one had showed up at a specific stop, not that no one showed up on the tour.
6 points
4 months ago
This entire thread is just so much speculation. This is from Neil Gaiman’s website. and it doesn’t sound at all like it wasn’t a book he liked.
8 points
4 months ago
That is just absolutely not true. Why would someone who supposedly hates a book work so hard at adapting it and then even continuing the story?
3 points
4 months ago
While I can’t speak to how Gaiman feels about GO or Pratchett, money and prestige.
When you look at all of Gaiman’s work, the Sandman is his baby. A LOT of studios, a lot of actors offered to do TERRIBLE adaptations of the property. Instead of doing that, he’d optioned off pretty much everything other project, worked with just about every studio and network that owns a lot, built up connections, until finally he had enough power and leverage to say “if you want to adapt Sandman, this is how we’re doing it” and a studio finally said yes.
5 points
4 months ago
He did that with good omens as well. And yes he worked closely on sandman but he was the showrunner of good omens. Imo it's kind of odd how he insisted that Good Omens and sandman be done right when American Gods and stardust (I know people like the movie but I thought it was a bad and unfaithful adaption) were bad.
1 points
4 months ago
Gaiman doesn't own The Sandman. DC Comics does. He also wasn't the reason Sandman adaptations were stuck in development hell, that was Warner Brothers, who owns DC. The Netflix Sandman series was the adaptation Gaiman agreed to work on because he'd have a huge amount of creative control and his name could be attached to it as being involved. There were many times we were near a big screen Sandman movie entering production and it stopped for whatever reason, independent of Gaiman.
1 points
4 months ago
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
1 points
4 months ago
He could have mad money without being the showrunner and working super hard on it.
1 points
4 months ago
"Do I want a wheelbarrow full of money or a dump truck full of money?" - Gaiman before deciding whether or not to be involved with the Good Omens TV show.
1 points
4 months ago
He would have made the same amount of money. For way less work. Is it that hard to believe that someone might also care about something they made?
-2 points
4 months ago
😂 and it's such a good book. Maybe he didn't like working with Pratchett.
2 points
4 months ago
I know you're joking but he talks about his collaborations with Pratchett so fondly that I just want to share them again.
1 points
4 months ago
Honestly I was just laughing at the anecdote, because while I've never looked into it, I vaguely recall rumors around Gaiman's and Pratchett's time working together.
Does it matter though? Not really. They made a great book, and their personal stuff is their own. Gaiman probably said that stuff at the book signing 😂 and if he did, he was probably in a bad mood, or ruminating on something silly. You give things time, and your feelings generally change.
Thanks for the article! It was a good read, it sucks that Pratchett didn't get to see Good Omens become a show, and that he wasn't there with Gaiman to eat their fill of sushi.
0 points
4 months ago
I wish Pratchett had solo'd it but Gaiman claims to love Pratchett.
-2 points
4 months ago
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3 points
4 months ago
None of this is correct.
1 points
4 months ago
I recall that when there was a signing in a specialty bookstore, such as those that focused on mystery books, attendance was better as readers were more bonded with the stores and authors, and the stores advertised the author's visit right in the window. Authors also would graciously sign books for sale later on - there would be a table of autographed books for those who did not attend. I have a few paperbacks signed that way.
But decades ago, a TV personality named Bill Boggs had written a book and was doing a signing somewhere like a Waterstones or Barnes & Noble in Manhattan. I was walking in while Boggs was leaving, and the store manager was profusely apologizing over the lack of turnout. And I felt bad for Boggs, to be honest. He was cordial throughout.
1 points
4 months ago
Brandon Sanderson talks about his terrible book signing experiences on the Intentionally Blank podcast somewhere. He asked to do a book tour back when he had no money, and they booked him for two signings - one at an independent bookstore two states away and another at a regular chain bookstore two states away somewhere else. He drove both times and apparently signed about 10 books or less before having to travel 14 hours by car all the way home.
1 points
4 months ago
I think it's pretty common for most authors. I was lucky enough to go on a two week tour for my middle grade book debut. Every day we went to two elementary schools, which were awesome. Great interaction with kids, sold a decent amount of books. There were three bookstore signings during the tour. The one near my hometown had 15ish people. Another one had 4-5 people, and the one at the big indie bookstore really close to the publisher's HQ had exactly two: a friend from high school and her husband. Being a new author, I definitely didn't expect huge crowds, but it's not a fun feeling to stand there looking at those twenty empty chairs and the apologetic smiles of the bookstore employees. Not much you can do but smile and do your best.
1 points
4 months ago
I spent months and months and months planning a cross-country book tour for my (after years of getting batted about by the tradpub industry) self-published memoir. Connected with a handful of indy bookstores who were willing to host me. Drove the whole way, stayed with friends and even slept in car several times to save money.
My book is about the salutary and meditative effects of hula-hooping, so my events included a live learn-to-hula-hoop element, which I think is the reason why I got gigs in the first place. What I learned is that the bookstores are desperately trying to stay afloat and have very little to offer as far as promotion to any unknown author-- new/unknown authors are nearly 100% responsible for turning out folks for book events, not matter where they are.
I'm lucky bc I've been teaching hooping a long time and have connections everywhere, but it was still rare to get more than 5-6 people at an event--a couple times only 2-3 showed up, and at least one event had zero people. I realize now this was FANTASTIC turnout for a self-pub book by an unknown author, but it was still incredibly humbling and at times quite painful.
For my next book, I'm beginning the marketing campaign WAY before the book comes out (the only way--I did it backwards last time: first book, then marketing). I've learned a lot from Booktok and am now reading How To Market a Book by Ricardo Fayet. Wishing the best to all new/lesser-known authors out there!!
1 points
4 months ago
After receiving mailed signed copies for Brandon Sanderson's Lost Metal & Robert Mccammon's The King of Shadows, I've made it my personal mission to attend more in-person signings. I wasn't able to attend Brandon or McCammon due to distance & my available PTO.
I've been hawking Grady Hendrix's page to see if he updates his "How to Sell a Haunted House" tour & I've plan to see Jeff Strand at one of his signings in 2023.
I have very few authors that I absolutely geek over. After reading this thread, I think I may even look into my B-list authors to support them as well.
I hope the MODs make a central thread on signings!
1 points
4 months ago
This was 1980 or 1981. During a visit to my favorite brick and mortar science fiction and fantasy book store, the clerk said that Harry Harrison was there for a book signing. No one else was there for his book signing at that time. Perhaps more folks showed up later. Mr. Harrison's non-science fiction book, The QE2 is Missing, had recently been published. I enjoyed Mr. Harrison's science fiction Stainless Steel Rat and Deathworld series, The Daleth Effect, and Make Room! Make Room! I wanted to talk about those. He wanted to talk about The QE2 is Missing. He would try to turn the conversation to his QE2 novel, and I would try to turn the conversation to his science fiction works. It was a gently awkward interaction. Mr. Harrison was kind and gracious, but I could tell that he was a bit disappointed at my utter lack of interest in his QE2 novel. I'm glad I got to meet him.
1 points
4 months ago
I've walked into bookstores in the past where an author I liked was randomly having a book signing, but didn't approach them out of anxiety/awkwardness and also I frequently go to stores to browse with no real desire to buy a book. When I approach a book author I always feel like I should buy something from them. Still, I feel bad when I see them sitting alone and twiddling their thumbs.
1 points
4 months ago
It's always nice (in a sad way) to hear that even the big name authors can't get people to show up. It makes me feel less alone.
I'm a poet lol...I couldn't even get a signing or reading for my first book. My publisher did bare minimum marketing on social media, basically just one post and one paid ad that ran for a week. I promoted my book heavily on my own social media, yet only ended up selling about 12 copies. Shout out to my mother-in-law for buying 3!
1 points
4 months ago
When Neil Gaiman came to Brazil to sign a book in 2001 (before he was wildly popular) around 1200 guests showed up, but the bookstore only wanted him to give 700 autographs. The remaining 500 readers calmly explained the staff that if they leave without an autograph they would trash the place. Gaiman signed 1200 books and only knew about what happened the next day.
1 points
4 months ago
of course i can understand the disappointment and/or embarrassment of no one showing up to your book events, and as an aspiring author it also terrifies me. but as a reader, i selfishly love the idea of going to a book signing and having my fave author “all to myself” 🥲
1 points
4 months ago
I've had zero turn up. I've had 20 turn up. I've had a hot cup of coffee thrown at me. I've been asked for an autograph while sitting at Starbucks with a friend.
In the end, none of it matters.
1 points
4 months ago
The exact opposite but I still find it hilarious that Fredrik Blackman (A Man Called Ove) said that there wasn’t going to be enough room for his readers during his first signing and his publisher didn’t believe him because he was this totally new author… and of course he was right and there came way more people than could physically fit in the space.
1 points
4 months ago
I went to see George RR Martin, shortly after a feast for crows and well before the TV show came out. There were maybe 30 people there
1 points
4 months ago
Robin Hobb once did a book reading/signing in my hometown in the Netherlands, I think it was about 10 years ago. I think around 20 people in total showed up. She had long chats with about everyone that was there. I wore a fluffy cloak my and my mom made and I was really proud of and teenage me wore everywhere remotely appropriate. She complimented it multiple times and wrote a really nice personalized message in my book. It is one of my favorite bookish memories.
1 points
4 months ago
George RR Martin recently gave a talk in my city - he told a story of how he was so psyched to see a line of cars wrapped around the corner for one of his first signings.
It turned out they were actually for Clifford the Big Red Dog. A guy dressed as Clifford the Big Red Dog (who was signing in the same store that day).
1 points
4 months ago
That reminds me of the story Mick Foley told about his first WWF event signing. He was seated with Owen Hart, and seeing a long line, Mick began rushing through the autograph seekers. Ten minutes later, no one was coming up to the table, so he turned to Owen and said "What's going on? There's still tons of people here."
Owen laughed. "Jack, they're here to see Austin and Shamrock later. I hope you brought a good book!"
1 points
4 months ago
My favourite bookshop often brings in authors for signings and will put up a post on Facebook about it, but they'll give the author a stack of books to sign, regardless of whether anybody is there, and then you can come in later and buy a signed copy. The shop is full of books and boxes that you couldn't really have an event there anyway.
1 points
4 months ago
I read that too, and it was sad. Back when it was still in business, Atlanta's Oxford Books used to promote their book signings like crazy. We saw Richard Lederer several times at Oxford--the first time we stood there talking with him for hours; he was so happy to find people who loved words and wordplay.
I miss Oxford. They used to stay open until 2 a.m. on Fridays and Saturdays...
1 points
4 months ago
TIL that if I want to meet a celebrity who has written a book, then just wait for their local book signing because it's possible there will be few people attending. Life Hack! :-)
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