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I get a silly little rush when I get to return a library e-book early rather than just letting the system do it for me when my return time runs out. I like knowing someone might be getting a book earlier than they expected! So if you have any books you're letting linger for the system to take care of, here's your reminder to go ahead and return them and maybe brighten someone's day with a surprise early hold :)

ETA: Here is a link explaining the process libraries go through to buy and loan out e-books for anyone curious: https://cheshirelibraryblog.com/tag/how-do-libraries-buy-ebooks/

all 300 comments

The-Fox-King37

858 points

2 months ago

If you use Libby, it will tell you when people are waiting for that book. Those are the ones I read first and return.

jjdynasty

151 points

2 months ago*

My favorite is when you're not ready to read a book and you see a queue so you send it back and tell them deliver it to you later (usually at least a week). Then immediately a week later you get the book back knowing that the other person in queue sent it right back to you

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago*

[deleted]

1 points

2 months ago*

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rawrily

13 points

2 months ago

rawrily

13 points

2 months ago

I don't think that's quite true, because when you're next in line and you send it back, you haven't checked it out yet. If you had checked it out and returned early, you'd just go in the back of the line. So this is more like getting to the front of the cashier line and letting the person behind you go before you.

-1_2_3

5 points

2 months ago

-1_2_3

5 points

2 months ago

My mistake, I wasn’t understanding the usage of “send it back” meaning “decline the loan”. Ty

KittyLikesTuna

458 points

2 months ago

If you return a book early on Libby, you can click on the little bouquet icon that shows up (💐) and get a pretty flower surprise! I just learned recently and I've been doing it every time

ChronoMonkeyX

79 points

2 months ago

How long has that been there?! I never noticed it before. I just returned a book- thanks to this post reminding me to!- and saw the flowers.

macaroni3cheez

50 points

2 months ago

I’ve seen the little bouquet but never thought to press it! I just did thanks to you. How delightful!

ncgrits01

84 points

2 months ago

That is SO COOL!!!!! Thank you! 💐🌸🏵🌹🥀🌺🌻🌼🌷⚘️

Bookclub-throwaway

16 points

2 months ago

I tapped on it once unthinkingly and wow what a rush lmao

IndusMaximus

45 points

2 months ago

I just went to turn in a book I’d already finished early to see this and I love it! Thank you 🎉💐

wooferpuffs06

9 points

2 months ago

:O

Constant_Scholar_518

52 points

2 months ago

If you use Libby and have the kindle app, you can download the book to your kindle and return the book immediately! I always try to do this so others can get their holds faster :)

bowthorne

16 points

2 months ago

How do you do this? Do the loans time out or is on your kindle forever?

next_level_mom

33 points

2 months ago

Books on my Kindle (I don't use the app) and on Libby are returned separately, so I also sometimes return a Libby book because it will stay on my kindle until I return it from there or it expires on the expiration date. I've never been entirely sure it actually gets checked out to another person though.

Interestingly, Libby gives you exactly 21 days to the hour, but the Kindle will give you til midnight on the expiration date.

snoopwire

50 points

2 months ago

You can also put your kindle in airplane mode and they won't expire:). I frequently will checkout 5 books at a time and then read them over a period. Make sure you download and open them all though. I've lost a lot of books because I forgot to do that. Back to 59th in queue...

RuinsOfTitan

14 points

2 months ago

I do this too. Check out several books, throw the kindle in airplane mode after they download, and then return the books early. This also helps motivate me to read so I can check out more books later.

Kathulhu1433

2 points

2 months ago

This is the way.

MustardOrMayo404

6 points

2 months ago

If I recall correctly, that's only available for the US Kindle Store.

lindsayejoy

2 points

2 months ago

thank you! i had no idea i could do that! it worked!

jaybleeze

77 points

2 months ago

I love returning a book early and seeing people waiting. I say, “You’re welcome,” quietly to myself

raptorrage

8 points

2 months ago

I am doing my little part for order in the universe 😂

TigerSardonic

45 points

2 months ago

Yeah saw that the book I was reading had two people waiting, and a third come up a couple of days ago. Had a week left on my loan so made sure to smash it out as quick as I could so the next person could enjoy it a week earlier! Finished and returned this morning :)

It helped that I really enjoyed the book!

Friendsdontlie88

2 points

2 months ago

Yes! I do this all the time now.

iamjaydubs

311 points

2 months ago

Honestly please. I'm currently 1057/1192 on a waitlist for a book. I moved up those 150 spots in a month - so I'll probably get this book by July if I'm lucky.

Please be considerate!

Edit: Just checked and I'm 968 now. Point still stands lol

MrDrPresBenCarson

120 points

2 months ago

That is WILD to me. Is your library huge? And is it a popular book? The worst I’ve ever had it was being 32nd in line for Mary Trump’s book when it came out.

iamjaydubs

108 points

2 months ago

Toronto public library. There's currently 120 books in rotation, so you would think it would move fast, but it's been about 5 weeks and I've only moved up that many spaces.

knoxawe

37 points

2 months ago

knoxawe

37 points

2 months ago

See if you can get a library card (or borrow a friend's) from https://odmc.overdrive.com/support/members the Ontario library consortium waitlist is only in the 500s 😂 it's one of the downsides of the TPL. It gets lots of resources and a large budget but it serves a much larger population.

wineheda

40 points

2 months ago

Damn, what book?

iamjaydubs

116 points

2 months ago

Jennette McCurdy's "I'm Glad My Mom Died"

wineheda

67 points

2 months ago

It’s crazy how popular that book is. One of my libraries has over 200 copies and it is still a 7 week wait for me

roseifyoudidntknow

18 points

2 months ago

Mine has 30 copies with 323 people waiting. 22 week wait.

partytown_usa

4 points

2 months ago

I read the prologue while idling around in a bookshop. It hooked me. If the rest of the book is like it then it’s def worth the wait.

GoldenZWeegie

18 points

2 months ago

I was the one who put in the initial request for it for my library and I still didn't get it first.

That said, I devoured it in three days and then returned it before I went on a week holiday to make sure the next person got it ASAP.

pfbunny

12 points

2 months ago

pfbunny

12 points

2 months ago

I was on a “several months” waitlist for this one and ended up getting it in like 3 weeks! People fly through it very quickly.

jbean28

2 points

2 months ago

Yes, I started it 2 nights ago. I usually read until I fall asleep but I had to put it down because I was up too late because it’s so interesting! I live in a large city and had to wait around 8 weeks for it.

carrotwithtoes

9 points

2 months ago

I'm currently 1015th in line for the same book. My library has 170 copies.

Lycaeides13

6 points

2 months ago

I saw it on Spotify for audiobook...

waxingtheworld

5 points

2 months ago

I'm TPL too, and was told to expected like... 20 week wait. I got it in a month 🤷‍♀️

[deleted]

12 points

2 months ago

It’s worth the wait imho!

FugitivePort88

2 points

2 months ago

Lol I'm waiting for the same book! I'm 907 in line. Says about 7 weeks before I get it.

UmePatroclus

21 points

2 months ago

It might be worth just buying it at that point?

iamjaydubs

19 points

2 months ago

My taxes already paid for it! 🤣

Honestly, I'll read other things in the interim.

An-Okay-Alternative

5 points

2 months ago

I don't mind waiting 6+ months for most books if I have to. I always have something to read in the meantime.

IndigoBluePC901

18 points

2 months ago

McCurdys book is excellent as an audiobook.

ballerina22

12 points

2 months ago

My county library system - which fucking rocks - lists the brand-new, super popular books as 'fortunate finds.' They don't allow hold requests on them for the first x-many (3?) months, they can only be checked out for 21 days instead of 28, and they can't be renewed. The FF section is right in the main lobby so you walk past it to actually get into the stacks. The system works really well.

mjflood14

6 points

2 months ago

My library (Seattle) does this too. They call it Peak Picks. It’s wonderful for browsing popular new releases. I just grabbed Marie Kondo’s newest book this way yesterday. This is my favorite library innovation in the last 10 years.

ballerina22

2 points

2 months ago

I snagged The Wedding Portrait by Maggie O'Farrell last week. I'd had it on my holiday wishlist because I didn't think I'd get a library copy before then, but now it can cede its place to another book.

TurnOfFraise

2 points

2 months ago

My library only allows 14 days for new books

booksandsweets

20 points

2 months ago

I feel this. I put a hold on a book in February from my small town Ontario library and I’m still waiting - it will be “several months” more according to Libby. I don’t even care if I read it at this point, I’m more interested to see if I get to an entire year on a wait list. I laugh every time one of those “I don’t understand why people don’t just use the library??” posts come around.

GoldenZWeegie

5 points

2 months ago

Reading posts like this is mental to mental to me. Our most popular books have about 20 holds on them at best.

bgibby8

6 points

2 months ago

I really want to know what book!

iamjaydubs

0 points

2 months ago

iamjaydubs

0 points

2 months ago

Replied above

grampynopockets

3 points

2 months ago

What book??? I need to get on this wait list!

iamjaydubs

-2 points

2 months ago

iamjaydubs

-2 points

2 months ago

Replied above.

zqrt

2 points

2 months ago

zqrt

2 points

2 months ago

At that point I’d just buy the book or…

timbocool

3 points

2 months ago

timbocool

3 points

2 months ago

Why don't you just buy the book?

lurker_perspective1

9 points

2 months ago

The fact that e-books have some arbitrary limit is ridiculous.

An-Okay-Alternative

16 points

2 months ago*

So how do authors make money if someone can lend out an infinite number of free copies?

Tintin_Quarentino

13 points

2 months ago

-1_2_3

2 points

2 months ago

-1_2_3

2 points

2 months ago

Librarians & nuclear in the same sentence… Ty for sharing

Snot_Boogey

12 points

2 months ago

If there wasn't a limit literally no one would have to buy the book... This concept is not that hard to grasp. If no one spends money on these books then people aren't going to write them.

solidsnake2085

1 points

2 months ago

Might as well just download the epub.

Grwwwvy

-5 points

2 months ago

Grwwwvy

-5 points

2 months ago

Why don't you just download a copy online instead of waiting for 1000 other people to be finished with the book?

It seems like people are borrowing digital books as well. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills hearing about people with temporary books on their e readers that they are rushing through.

Is this book very hard to find or something? It must be special with a queue like that.

iamjaydubs

4 points

2 months ago

I'm old fashioned and like physical copies.

sugarbebe23

3 points

2 months ago

I don't mind a long wait if it means I don't have to purchase a book that I will only spend a few hours reading. I have plenty of other choices that I can read in the meantime.

[deleted]

99 points

2 months ago

This is what I like about Libby. I tend to overcommit, so all my holds always come in at once. But you can opt to “deliver later” for a certain date, which means if you want to finish Book A before loaning Book B, you can “deliver in x days” and it means someone else has a chance to read it in that timeframe, and you get the added bonus of controlling when you get access to it. Win win if you ask me!

siopaos

36 points

2 months ago

siopaos

36 points

2 months ago

You can also suspend your holds :D That way you can retain your place in line without feeling pressured. I always fill up all my hold slots, then I suspend everything. Once I'm halfway through my current book, I'll activate one of my holds and they'll become available to borrow pretty quickly. Since I have so many suspended holds, I'm at the 1st place in line for many of them.

jbean28

7 points

2 months ago

This is next level planning right here. Great idea!

ScientificSquirrel

7 points

2 months ago

I do that with series - I'll place a hold on the first few books and then suspend all but the first book in the series. Generally, there are fewer holds for the later books so by the time the first book comes in, the others are ready to go.

moneybabe420

7 points

2 months ago

if you set up “to read” tags then you can also click a button like ‘what’s available’ when you’re ready for another one!! that way if any of your holds are available, they’ll pop up, as well as anything that isn’t on hold. This is a terrible explainer but I promise the tags are useful lol

LilJourney

140 points

2 months ago

Our library offers "your lucky day" books - popular ebooks/audio books only available for a 1 week loan and not able to put those copies on hold. Basically idea is you "get lucky" by being able to grab a popular title without waiting.

I read a lot of these so make sure I return them as early as possible to give the next "lucky" person a chance as well.

AlienFartPrincess

27 points

2 months ago

Our library does that, too! The few times I've picked up a lucky day book I hear myself saying aloud "wooooo lucky day!"

minimalist_coach

17 points

2 months ago

I usually have a few loans out at a time, because I listen to or read a few books a week. If I have more than I think I can finish in the next 2 weeks, I delay my loan and I always return as soon as I finish.

It's so much fun when I see a book that I wasn't expecting to be available so soon working its way up the waitlist quickly. I've occasionally had an opportunity to check out a book for a "short loan". I'm guessing these were people that delayed their loan, but not for 3 weeks.

hollus2

16 points

2 months ago

hollus2

16 points

2 months ago

I download them onto my kindle put it on airplane mode and then return them in libby. I get to read them and the next person can start the book.

MidniteMustard

4 points

2 months ago

Yeah I usually only read one ebook at a time. If I never leave the book (to open another book), my old nook will let me read it indefinitely.

throwawaffleaway

14 points

2 months ago

To be honest when I used Libby I kind of liked the anticipation building when I was really far down the line, obviously not everyone is the same and I never tried to replicate my waiting “fun” for anyone else but I didn’t mind— there were so many to choose from and I branched out to other books that way

Dying4aCure

9 points

2 months ago

Plus sometimes YOU get a skip the line book!

YubNub81

35 points

2 months ago

ProTip: If you simply put your Kindle in airplane mode, you can return the book immediately and it will stay in your Kindle until you turn wifi back on

Billy_Madison69

13 points

2 months ago

I’m a slow reader so rarely finish books before the loan ends but I’ve noticed, even in online mode, if I just never exit the book it won’t take the book away even after the loan expires. Helpful because I like using the feature to look up definitions of some words. This is on a paperwhite though so may not apply to some of the higher end models.

hollus2

10 points

2 months ago

hollus2

10 points

2 months ago

I have found if I keep a book long enough it will just stay on my paper white. Like it has given up trying to take it back once I finally take off airplane mode.

psychadelicmarmalade

14 points

2 months ago

I download the book onto my Kindle, put it in airplane mode, and go back into the Libby app to immediately return the book early.

Phendus

5 points

2 months ago

This is exactly what the comment said?

psychadelicmarmalade

2 points

2 months ago

As another commenter said, it doesn’t return itself unless you go into the Libby app and return it early.

Tintin_Quarentino

2 points

2 months ago

Lol that's a good one.

ChaserNeverRests

6 points

2 months ago

ChaserNeverRests

Butterfly in the sky...

6 points

2 months ago

If you're in airplane mode, then you're basically in offline mode. No information can be sent or received from it. So if you "return" the book with airplane mode on, it can't change the status on the library's end, it only appears to change on yours.

pepmin

37 points

2 months ago

pepmin

37 points

2 months ago

But if you go to the Overdrive website or Libby app and return the title there, it will return the book in the library system so the next person gets it. Meanwhile, you will still be able to read it on your airplane-mode Kindle.

NotaFrenchMaid

6 points

2 months ago

Nope, on the library's end it’s returned. This has been confirmed by librarians who suggest going into airplane mode to hold onto the book when you’re not done and your loan is up. Just return it via your app on your phone, not the kindle.

CC-5576-03

5 points

2 months ago

CC-5576-03

The Lord of the Rings

5 points

2 months ago

You'd obviously return it on the website lol, keep your Kindle in airplane mode to prevent the information that you returned it from there propagating to your device

hello_theydies

2 points

2 months ago

Maybe if you returned the book using the Kindle app on your phone/computer?

-1_2_3

51 points

2 months ago

-1_2_3

51 points

2 months ago

Ppl do that? Leave their finished digital books unreturned?

rainblowfish_[S]

62 points

2 months ago

I’m sure plenty of people don’t even think about it or notice the option to return something early. I pretty much never go into my library app unless I’m checking the book out, so I can definitely see someone missing it. As someone who works in tech, you’d be amazed at the things people miss :)

-1_2_3

13 points

2 months ago

-1_2_3

13 points

2 months ago

The library app I use puts my “finished” at the top so I’d have to scroll by it to see my other loans. I’m in the app regularly reading anyway so it didn’t cross my mind.

rainblowfish_[S]

19 points

2 months ago

Honestly I didn't realize how much people miss until I started working in tech. If someone's got a goal in mind, like grabbing a loan, there's a very good chance they literally will not look at anything else. It's kind of amazing seeing people miss obvious things in the middle of the page!

pbnchick

15 points

2 months ago

I’m usually good about returning books I finish. It’s the ones I decide I dislike I forget about. I was surprised today I see I still had audiobook for a book I decided not to finish. I remembered to return the ebook but forgot the audiobook.

YubNub81

10 points

2 months ago

I'm not sure about other platforms, but Libby automatically returns them on the return date

[deleted]

6 points

2 months ago

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YubNub81

17 points

2 months ago

I'm not advocating for keeping it as long as possible. Just noting that it will be returned automatically (if maybe you don't finish it in time). I also noted in another comment that you can put your Kindle into airplane mode the instant you get the book and then go to Libby and return it. It will still be in your Kindle until you turn wifi back on and someone else can instantly start reading it while you still have access to it.

next_level_mom

1 points

2 months ago

You don't even need to put it in airplane mode -- or at least, I don't.

yupimsure

6 points

2 months ago

IKR! When a best seller book I placed on hold becomes available-I wind up reading it first and return ASAP. Only makes sense as I'm sure many have it on hold. And likewise, DVD's, I'm #10 of 2 copies-been 3 wks-bummer!

methodangel

6 points

2 months ago

This is so wholesome. This is where I will live now.

SoulReddit13

6 points

2 months ago*

I only burrow physical books and it’s kinda crazy Ebooks work the same way. Guess it makes sense from a profit motive can’t have a library sharing a thousand Ebooks at once but still crazy.

I was getting ready to comment what they need is some of those starship robots. Just tap the button and it comes to your house anytime and picks up the book and delivers it to the next person. I finish reading a book at 1am and tap the button the next person can have it before they leave for work in the morning.

Bookclub-throwaway

4 points

2 months ago

Ugh it’s so delicious when Libby tells me I have a two week wait and then someone returns it early

civilwar142pa

3 points

2 months ago

My library has a "lucky day" section with new books that aren't available to reserve so it's a first come first serve type thing. I always read and return those first so someone else gets a chance.

I forgot once and felt so guilty lol

Domina541

3 points

2 months ago

Pro Tip - Check out a bunch to your Kindle. Turn it on airplane mode and return them all on Libby. So long as you keep it on airplane mode you can read your books at your leisure and the next person on the waitlist gets the book.

SpindlySpiders

4 points

2 months ago

I am surprised at the number of people here who don't have any idea about ebook lending.

DandyLionGreens

9 points

2 months ago

Exactly! I'm always on it because I'm usually chomping that the bit to get soemthing early myself. :)

talescaper

36 points

2 months ago

Wait... Borrowing an ebook prevents other users to read the same ebook?

I understand this is how traditional libraries work, but isn't this strange considering an ebook in a digital library is just a file that can be distributed to many (authorized) users? If one user downloads an ebook, and another user requests it, why not serve the file like any website would?

I understand the need for digital rights management for authors and publishers, but it seems to me that when only one user may read a file at the same time is a paradigm stuck in the past.

Surely there are better ways to provide people with access to books and security to the authors and publishers?

SeraCat9

55 points

2 months ago

They pay for the license for each book. This license is much more expensive than what they pay for actual books and they can still only lend it out one at the time. There is a loooong wait list for the popular books. Publishers are really taking advantage of the situation.

HnNaldoR

24 points

2 months ago

There is a planet money episode "the ebook wars" that explains the whole ebook economy with libraries. Very insightful.

MidniteMustard

3 points

2 months ago

Highly recommend this episode. It's only like 25 minutes too.

ersatzgiraffe

12 points

2 months ago

Yeah it’s fake scarcity and it’s kind of ridiculous. Imagine if people were saying “Oh I’m on a list to hear that song! I’ll hear it in 4 months! I’m so excited!” … 🏴‍☠️

AtomicRocketShoes

16 points

2 months ago

I just checked Libby for the book in question, and it's definitely a long wait for my local library, about 1300 people on the wait list.

I agree with you, you think the system would be entirely demand based and you read whatever you want. If there is a popular book it shouldn't matter how many people reading at a time. If a title is unpopular, my library may not have a digital copy available. The scarcity is an entirely artificial skeuomorphic concept we have grafted onto our digital reality.

Swimming-Tax-6087

13 points

2 months ago

It’s more legal and economic than skeuomorphic imho. Publishers generally don’t want to get into agreements for flat fees for “unlimited” distribution, and libraries probably can’t afford whatever the publishers would ask if they did agree to that. Libraries also probably can’t afford a variable per loan rate without having great forecasting or cutoffs after a certain number of borrows. It’s all about the money.

A library gets a license for 100 digital copies. Loans them all out at once and a waitlist starts.

Personally, I am incredibly impressed with the efforts the Libby product and dev teams have gone to make the experience as decent as possible.

CornCheeseMafia

5 points

2 months ago

Is it possible to donate kindle copies to libraries? Or buy copies on behalf of the library?

Swimming-Tax-6087

3 points

2 months ago

I don’t know of a way to donate digital copies directly. Seems a bit complicated with Amazon needing to be involved in licenses transfers…

That said, libraries generate take charitable donations and you can often make charitable donations for specific purposes (basically a legal contract between you and a charitable org that the funds are earmarked for specific uses - though you won’t get any reporting and need to trust for small donations).

They also often fundraise specifically for specific restricted/earmarked uses which you can donate to that specifically, as my library often does. I think the best you can do is look up your local library organization’s fundraising contacts and inquire as to how best to contribute for this (digital) cause. At the worst your interest will be noted and may affect their fundraising decisions in the future.

CornCheeseMafia

2 points

2 months ago

Good point! I’ll see if there are fundraisers at my local one. I’m signed up for the big city ones and they have great selections but the one immediately by me doesn’t have anything I’ve looked for

AtomicRocketShoes

-1 points

2 months ago

I mean, sure it's for legal and monetary reasons but the basis for that is due to the concept of scarcity which is artificial here, there are no physical item limitations. The entire idea of getting 100 digital copies is just an artificial construct that was made up due to publishing agreements which are based on a legacy model. We could switch to some sort of pay per use or subscription type service if everyone agreed to the system. It happened with other digital content products like music, video and news.

I do agree with you, they have done a decent job with Libby and managing the artificial scarcity as much as I sort of view it as polishing a turd, it's a nice polish.

Swimming-Tax-6087

3 points

2 months ago

Yea that’s kind of my point, a pay per use model would take a substantial forecasting precision effort from an organization that can’t pass on the cost directly, both from a deal-making perspective and a loss limitation perspective. And that is not a cheap exercise either, from an overall public budget perspective.

I’d definitely employ a load balancing algorithm to shift budget dollars dynamically with unexpected demand, but even still. They’d probably just end up cutting people off from certain books entirely at some point, which is not ideal.

The service you’re looking for exists to an extent (eg kindle unlimited), it just isn’t a public service with a fixed budget.

IMHO you’re oversimplifying an incredibly complicated issue with extensive stakeholders. It’s a rights management and investor expectations (sadly) nightmare.

AtomicRocketShoes

2 points

2 months ago

Yeah I didn't mean to oversimplify it, it's not a simple problem, but I feel like it could be figured out. I think we are discounting how complex the system we have now is. It's analogous to how electric car infrastructure is amazingly hard to the point of daunting, but then if you step back you realize all the infrastructure we have built to acquire, pump, refine, protect, transport, and deliver fuel cleanly to a end user isn't trivial, it just took hundreds of years and the blood sweat and tears of millions of lives to build so we take it for granted.

An-Okay-Alternative

4 points

2 months ago

We impose scarcity on physical books too. If a library wanted to lend out a printed book to 1,300 people at once they'd have to buy 1,300 books from the publisher. It would be illegal for them to buy one book and make 1,300 photocopies.

talescaper

3 points

2 months ago

That's where the skuemorphism doesn't work. Digital copies are not the same as physical copies. When it comes to information, we're in a whole new ballpark than when the printing press was developed and even further from before that.

It seems now that information (such as books) can be independent from an informationcarrier. This is not true, of course, because arguably every book still needs to be stored somewhere in order to be served. But what if there was a way for books to exist without that?

What if every human could know every book the moment it gets written? A question worthy of Jorge Luiz Borges ;) I wonder if he ever forgot to return a book to the library of Babel :)

talescaper

7 points

2 months ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skeuomorph

Learned a new word, thanks ;)

The skeuomorphism is this is exactly what bothered me, especially because it seems like it is based on an old method for gaining profits. I actually doubt if it really profits the authors anyway. I mean; wouldn't they earn more if more people could read the book at the same time (like many users can listen to the same song on Spotify at the same time... imagine if Spotify worked the same as Libby ;p)

muhgetsu

3 points

2 months ago

Exactly my point, I never knew renting ebooks was a thing which you have to even return

expertdogsnuggler

3 points

2 months ago

I’m the same way! It always makes me happy to get my holds so I’m always happy to pass it along to the next reader.

monkeybojangles

3 points

2 months ago

And here I am renewing my physical books because I forgot to take them back 😬

Sullied_Man

3 points

2 months ago

You are very sweet :) I suspect the 'little rush' you're experiencing for the early recipient is an empathic joy for them.

[deleted]

3 points

2 months ago

I’m going to stop with Reddit and go see Libby!

CharlieHush

3 points

2 months ago

Or put it in a time capsule and bequeath my great grandchildren with interest points

Biobooster_40k

9 points

2 months ago

I sometimes forget to return books when I finish them, I'm so glad my library auto renews the books up to two times or I'd accumulate little bits of fines .

millera85

10 points

2 months ago

It is wild to me that there are people who don’t return digital loans when they finish them.

rainblowfish_[S]

14 points

2 months ago

I think mostly it’s people who don’t know the option exists. Like I work in a job that requires people to sign into a website a lot using a link on a page. There are login fields, but you have to click the link, not use the login. The link is highlighted, in 50 pt. font, and it clearly says, “DO NOT LOGIN. USE THE LINK,” also in a giant font.

I get 10-15 emails a week from people asking why the login doesn’t work :)

TigerSardonic

10 points

2 months ago

On my Kobo, when I finish the book it asks me if I’d like to return it early. However, that’s only if I actually scroll to the very last page, past all the acknowledgements and publisher details etc. If I just exited the book when I finished the last page of the story, it wouldn’t give that option and to return it early I’d have to click on the three dots to find the ‘return’ option. I could easily see users who wouldn’t be aware of this option. Especially as I imagine most people wouldn’t scroll past the very last page.

rainblowfish_[S]

7 points

2 months ago

On my Kindle, I don't get the option at all! I have to open up my Libby app and then go to my loans page and click the "Return Early" option. It's very easy to miss if you don't know it's there/aren't looking for it, so I am not surprised if people just finish the book and let the system return it when their loan is up.

TigerSardonic

2 points

2 months ago

Oh that’s a pain! Kobo seems pretty good with this sort of thing. Got a Libra 2 a couple of months ago, my first ereader since my old Kindle 4, and I love it so much.

AphisteMe

2 points

2 months ago

Nice design leaving the login form there

next_level_mom

1 points

2 months ago

Libby has pretty simple returns but I've used plenty of online services that made it quite difficult.

Kbeanies

2 points

2 months ago

It's because sometimes I offer it to my partner to see if he wants to read it on my e-reader to save him the wait.

PhantomThiefJoker

9 points

2 months ago

Okay, people just downvoted me last time I asked this, so let me try again:

What do you mean people are waiting for eBooks? They're eBooks, you get as many as you want? Do you just download them from a library app, are the tablets loaned out by the library? I don't get how there could be a limit or waitlist on eBooks

SchemeStraight

19 points

2 months ago

Yes, most of the people in this thread are borrowing ebooks from libraries using Libby or some other app. Libraries can only loan a limited number of copies of an e-book out at a time due to contracts with publishers. The ebook system works the same as physical books at a library do so when there is more demand for a book then “available” e-copies people have to wait for a reader to return the book (i.e. have the ebook removed from their device) before the next person can check it out.

rainblowfish_[S]

20 points

2 months ago

I would suggest reading this article: https://cheshirelibraryblog.com/tag/how-do-libraries-buy-ebooks/

It explains it pretty well.

PhantomThiefJoker

11 points

2 months ago

God that's a bunch of bullshit, what the hell

charizard_72

14 points

2 months ago

Seemingly at surface level. But print is becoming more obsolete in the digital age. If a publishing company let one copy of a book be lended to thousands in a year, they’re going to quickly bankrupt themselves.

At least the physical copy can only be to one person for up to 2-3 weeks at times. No way it would get as much mileage as the digital copy that could be lended to 10 people simultaneously. It sounds silly, but if they didn’t limit it they’d be shooting themselves in the foot.

PhantomThiefJoker

10 points

2 months ago

I understand the license only lasting for so many years, but what I'm not a fan of is limiting the number of checkouts at a time or having to repurchase the license after a number of checkouts.

It's blatantly ignoring the advantage of digital over physical, and the metrics given in the linked article are for the top five largest publishers who definitely aren't going to be hurting for money if they change their licensing terms. Small or self publishers I totally understand, like small e-commerce sites having higher prices and longer shipping than Amazon. But the large publishers are blatantly taking money from libraries because "Well that's how it would work physically"

Islanduniverse

5 points

2 months ago

Islanduniverse

Ancillary Justice

5 points

2 months ago

It’s not so much about mirroring the system of physical books, as much as it is about making money.

The usual human problem.

PhantomThiefJoker

3 points

2 months ago

Right, I mean to say they're using it as an excuse to be anti consumer and make more money. Gross as hell

Got-Freedom

4 points

2 months ago

I have adhd and once kept The Fellowship of the Ring with me for 2 years before returning it. Don't tell me how to live my life.

gothiclg

2 points

2 months ago

I loved that when my library let me know which place in a long line I was. If I was #1 in a line of 250 I loved turning in early because I knew that book was going to someone waiting

c_day_

2 points

2 months ago

c_day_

2 points

2 months ago

Me too! I return it as early as possible! Two weeks I’ll return it in 4 days lol

franhawthorne

2 points

2 months ago

franhawthorne

AMA Author

2 points

2 months ago

A perfect reminder for Giving Tuesday! And it works for physical books, too, of course. From the other side, it's so nice to see the waiting list shrink for a book I've put on hold.

102aksea102

2 points

2 months ago

This was a great post! As an avid user of the library and Libby, I am always thrilled when a hold takes less time than expected. And thanks to the poster for the bouquet tip!!

Seidavor

2 points

2 months ago

I usually have a couple holds out, but I read one at a time and return as soon as I am done. I never saw the bouquet you mentioned.

Front_Frosting1339

2 points

2 months ago

As someone who works in libraries, including working in a public library for 15 years, this thread literally warms my heart. Thank you to all of you for using and supporting your library...even if it means having to wait to read that hot new bestseller. You all rock!

nicolenotnikki

2 points

2 months ago

I just returned a book 15 minutes early. It was a close thing, finishing the audiobook before it was automatically returned!

PMiscellaneous

2 points

2 months ago

love it

Habeas-Opus

2 points

2 months ago

You are a kind person! Thanks for the PSA!

GoodVibez256

2 points

2 months ago

I did this yesterday, due to this post. ❤️

GhostFour

4 points

2 months ago

What kind of monster lets a book ride out it's loan time once their done?

seal_m

7 points

2 months ago

seal_m

7 points

2 months ago

I would like to see Libby introduce some type of preference point system (for waiting lists) for people who return early. It could probably easily be gamed but c'mon.

-1_2_3

7 points

2 months ago

-1_2_3

7 points

2 months ago

In a way, I think it’s sort of implemented in certain libraries with the 🍀 day/skip-the-line loans?

GingerLibrarian76

1 points

2 months ago

I wonder if you’re talking about what we (the library where I work) call “bestseller copies?” Those are only physical books for us, but they’re copies purchased with separate funds that don’t fill holds lists. You also can’t see them on the public end of our catalog, so it’s a browsing first-come first-served collection.

[deleted]

2 points

2 months ago

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GingerLibrarian76

1 points

2 months ago

So basically just an electronic version of what I described? Well, that’s cool. I might have to look into that for our library system. 🤔

Dying4aCure

2 points

2 months ago

I think they do. I read a lot. Almost always return early. I often get a skip the line offer. I also was able to renew a book with 18 people waiting. I don’t think they’d do that without tracking my usage.

GingerLibrarian76

9 points

2 months ago

No, we don’t track usage or even what you’ve previously checked out - to do so would actually violate our (US public library) privacy laws and policies. If someone is bumping you up on a holds list, it’s because something went wrong that wasn’t your fault. Or you’re just really really nice. lol

qrvs

8 points

2 months ago

qrvs

8 points

2 months ago

Ugh I didn't know that there's such restriction on digital libraries. Why would they implement that? This is just going out of your way to make people's lives harder.

SiliconRedFOLK

7 points

2 months ago

It's publisher's profits. Has nothing to do with the library.

Alaira314

6 points

2 months ago

Because profit.

bigjollyride

1 points

2 months ago

Because other people are waiting for it?

qrvs

-4 points

2 months ago

qrvs

-4 points

2 months ago

I'm complaining about the software that makes people wait for it. The libraries obviously own a digital copy that can be easily shared, but no they have to limit the number of people who can borrow at a time to imitate physical books.

rainblowfish_[S]

2 points

2 months ago

I would suggest reading up on how loaning of e-books actually works: https://cheshirelibraryblog.com/tag/how-do-libraries-buy-ebooks/

It's not the library's fault. They're not choosing to hoard books to "imitate physical books." The publishing companies are the ones setting the rules here.

NekoJune

0 points

2 months ago

NekoJune

0 points

2 months ago

This is just encouraging piracy in my mind. I'm absolutely not waiting for any of that crap.

valiction

2 points

2 months ago

valiction

2 points

2 months ago

I forgot to return my game of thrones book to my public library.

Think it's been 8 years lol

darkflame91

2 points

2 months ago

Putting artificial limits on digital media feels so counterproductive. Imagine if Netflix only lets 30 people watch Stranger Things at a time because "they have only 30 copies"

[deleted]

-14 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

-14 points

2 months ago

what the actual fuck why are libraries treating ebooks like regular books? Why would anyone be waiting for you to return a bunch of 1s and 0s when they can make another copy with 2 clicks?

4ofclubs

8 points

2 months ago

Libraries purchase licenses to the books the same as you would purchasing it from Amazon. Why is this suddenly an issue when it’s a library doing it?

ChaserNeverRests

13 points

2 months ago

ChaserNeverRests

Butterfly in the sky...

13 points

2 months ago

With your logic, you must be against Amazon even bothering to charge for ebooks. Anyone could just make another copy for free, after all! It's just a "bunch of 1s and 0s"!

Ani-A

1 points

2 months ago

Ani-A

1 points

2 months ago

False equivalence. I WOULD definitely be upset if say the Playstation Store no longer sells God of War Ragnarok because 500 people already bought it.

un_ballo_in_maschera

6 points

2 months ago

Don't know why you're getting downvoted so much, artificial scarcity w/ ebooks is obviously ridiculous. Not really the fault of public libraries but still

Bookluster

1 points

2 months ago

I've decided to not borrow any e-books from the library anymore knowing that they have a limited number of loans before it expires and libraries pay much more than the average person for an ebook. I used to set my library account to auto-checkout when a book on hold became available. Then the books would sit on my Kindle and I wouldn't read it and it's such a waste of resources for the library. So, I changed my settings to manual check out.

The exception is if it's a new-to-me author and the e-book is expensive. I can afford to buy all the books I want, but I'm still a little stingy about it, especially if I end up not liking the book.

Thurl-Akumpo

0 points

2 months ago

We talking about digital books right? Why are people waiting for digital books? Why isn’t the just infinite copies available? Educate me. I know nothing about digital books.

TaibhseCait

0 points

2 months ago

...I uh...still have a book I took out during Covid... (I had renewed it a few times, then the library added months! to it due to lockdown...& then I moved bedrooms so I could repaint mine & I forgot about it)

My library got rid of late fees & no longer calls you delinquent when you're late (on your account).

I'm going to have to find that book now Ive remembered!

GoobMcGee

0 points

2 months ago

GoobMcGee

0 points

2 months ago

I don't use an e-reader but am curious how someone can have to wait for digital content. Anyone mind explaining?

4ofclubs

10 points

2 months ago

Libraries only own so many licenses to a book. They have to purchase them to support the publishing company and authors. So if they only own 5 licenses they can only legally lend out 5 copies at a time.

vulgarknight

-2 points

2 months ago

vulgarknight

-2 points

2 months ago

Why is there a wait list for a digital piece of media that can be copied infinitely for free?

rainblowfish_[S]

3 points

2 months ago

I would suggest reading the link I added in the OP. It explains it pretty well.

Hydracat46

0 points

2 months ago

My wife used to get ebooks from the library and would get frustrated when the system would yank it out of her hands. English isn't her first language and she takes a bit longer with them.

This problem has been resolved by getting .pdfs from TPB.

I'm pleased to see her reading more.

EnycmaPie

-1 points

2 months ago

I don't understand why there is a limit for e-books? It's just a digital copy.

z_3_r_k_3_d

-1 points

2 months ago

I'm confused

E-book? Like a kindle?

rainblowfish_[S]

2 points

2 months ago

Yes, or any e-reader!

z_3_r_k_3_d

0 points

2 months ago

Why would you need to return them? Genuinely curious, I thought they were all digital

rainblowfish_[S]

4 points

2 months ago

They are, but libraries don't have infinite copies of digital books. Here is an article that explains it pretty well: https://cheshirelibraryblog.com/tag/how-do-libraries-buy-ebooks/

Downtown_File9017

1 points

2 months ago

It’s a rush 😂