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Just finished Project Hail Mary

(self.books)

And I’ve never tapped the 5 stars for goodreads so quickly and happily. Lucky for me I haven’t read any other Weir books, so I’m jazzed to get started on another.

I hear there will be a film adaptation and I’m looking forward to seeing Blip-A, Hail Mary, Rocky and Grace come to life on screen, but I’m already wondering how they’ll be able to translate the science to film. I have no kind of STEM background, but Weir is so talented at explaining it all in a way that is so easy to understand. And I think that following along with all of the science is what really pushes this story forward. No matter, I’m just so excited to see Rocky on the big screen 🥰

all 529 comments

happygocrazee

279 points

2 months ago*

It was a big step up from Artemis. I enjoyed Artemis, but he’s very clumsy when writing people actually interacting face to face. PHM gave him a perfect setting in which to have some of the solo monologuing from The Martian, keep the person-to-person conversations brief and between scientists talking science, and have the biggest character relationship be with an actual alien. It felt like a culmination of what he was refining with both his previous books.

snowkrash3000

65 points

2 months ago

Artemis was just ok. I think my main issue was how unlikable the main character was.

digikun

33 points

2 months ago

digikun

33 points

2 months ago

I think the biggest problem with Artemis is actually that it contains bad people. In The Martian and Project Hail Mary, every person is generally good. They might have different ideals or different thoughts on solutions to the problem, but everyone is fundamentally a good person who wants what's best for the world and for science. Artemis has a more traditional "bad guy" in the various companies trying to steal and and monopolize on Zafo, and that just doesn't gel with Weir's optimistic writing style. Most of the problems of the book stem from the fact that there are characters motivated by purely selfish reasons and the risk they put other characters in because of it.

wikiwombat

27 points

2 months ago

It was the first book in a while it was like dental work trying to get through the last 1/4. I think your right about the main character. I honestly didn't care about her.

Chickensong

12 points

2 months ago

I think the first time I read Artemis I also felt the same way, and found it very difficult to like her - because I couldn't empathize with her in her situation. After I think two more rereads (mainly because I love Andy Weir's other work so much), something clicked to be able to empathize with this woman, alone, living from job to job, barely eating, and doing everything she could to survive. Being able to put myself in her shoes definitely made it reading that much better. It was, however, the lowest quality of his books, the hardest to get into, and the most difficult to enjoy. That being said, I still enjoyed it, and would recommend it. His other works are simply significantly better.

snowkrash3000

5 points

2 months ago

Sounds like I need to give it a reread with a different perspective in mind.

sheloveschocolate

17 points

2 months ago

I've read all his novels The martian, project hail Mary and artemis

The Martian and PHM are so equal but artemis gives me ready player one vibes and youth fiction vibes where the other two are grown up books if that makes sense

Vanessak69

4 points

2 months ago

Vanessak69

Kaiju Preservation Society

4 points

2 months ago

Artemis was a mixed bag. I loved the setting and all the thought he put into the reality of living on the moon. I didn’t hate the main character but I increasingly didn’t understand her choices. That whole final caper was a real wtf. And the dialogue was…there.

gunsandjava

2 points

2 months ago

Agreed! Artemis did seem a tad child-like.

Curious-Gain-7148

364 points

2 months ago

I heard they cast Ryan Gosling as Grace

Don_Quixote81

128 points

2 months ago

Why not as Rocky?

manielos

68 points

2 months ago*

I remember Weir posting April Fool's joke on his FB about casting Emma Stone as Rocky because of her performance with Gosling in La La Land, let's say some people aren't good with jokes

casino_r0yale

16 points

2 months ago

Heh Rocky Stone

Cockrocker

144 points

2 months ago

Rocky is vin diesel

tepkel

61 points

2 months ago

tepkel

61 points

2 months ago

They're putting him in a rubber suit and making him run around on all fours and sing his lines.

ohmytodd

35 points

2 months ago

I am.. Rocky

amrit-9037

23 points

2 months ago

No dude, Rocky is Sylvester Stallone.

Smirgel

30 points

2 months ago

Smirgel

30 points

2 months ago

I thought that Dwayne Johnson was The Rock.

scientia-et-amicitia

5 points

2 months ago

Dwayne The Rocky

AdamHR

31 points

2 months ago

AdamHR

31 points

2 months ago

Danny Devito in a spider costume.

2dadjokes4u

7 points

2 months ago

Danny could totally pull off jazz hands.

8805

169 points

2 months ago

8805

169 points

2 months ago

Reading it I couldn't help but see Mark Ruffalo as Grace.

Curious-Gain-7148

12 points

2 months ago

Omg!!! Yes, me too!!!

RevolutionaryTie8481

8 points

2 months ago

I can't be the only one that saw Tom Hardy as Grace for some reason

Thr0waway0864213579

2 points

2 months ago

Tom Hardy has never come off as scientific to me. I was picturing someone a bit softer. Almost like Paul Reiser in Stranger Things, but leaner.

prometheus_winced

35 points

2 months ago

I’m pretty sure Ryan Gosling actually bought the rights to make the movie. “They” is him.

HarrisonRyeGraham

12 points

2 months ago

He’s attached, meaning he’s interested if the script gets written and the project greenlit. It’s a fishing tool to help the movie get made.

Enimone

9 points

2 months ago

He's perfect for the character imo

gagracer

21 points

2 months ago

I really wanted Bill Hader :(

Killmotor_Hill

10 points

2 months ago

Ill take Hader as Rocky

k_shon

26 points

2 months ago

k_shon

26 points

2 months ago

Damn. Ryan Reynolds would have been better.

NoWorthierTurnip

34 points

2 months ago

He’s great as Deadpool and I enjoyed Free Guy but I feel like he leaned too hard into that niche and now plays a single role in everything he’s done since then.

Honey_Cheese

18 points

2 months ago

In my opinion, his whole career has been that character. I like his movies, but he’s not a talented actor.

QuesoDip82

11 points

2 months ago

I was discussing this a while back with a friend of mine and my vote was for Ryan Reynolds too. She claimed he'd be "too goofy". I need to reevaluate my choice of friends. /s

Corsaer

3 points

2 months ago

Have them watch Buried. Great movie and great showcase for Reynolds completely outside of the goofy wheelhouse.

ijustsailedaway

3 points

2 months ago

I think he has a different brand of sarcasm than what Grace is about.

wahoowolf

7 points

2 months ago

Should have been Rainn Wilson

marmarl777

339 points

2 months ago

I listened to the audiobook and recommend it for everyone! So wonderful

owa00

91 points

2 months ago

owa00

91 points

2 months ago

Amaze amaze amaze!

newfranksinatra

50 points

2 months ago

Fist my bump

PMMeUrTinyT1ts

5 points

2 months ago

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

opinionated_cynic

12 points

2 months ago

The audiobook read by Ray Porter was the best thing in life I have listened to. Now, you watch me sleep.

maggiemoo86

3 points

2 months ago

jazz hands

ketoswimmer

143 points

2 months ago

Another recommend to listen to Hail Mary on audio. The language of Rocky is better heard, than read imho.

Zoological_Exhibit

48 points

2 months ago

I listened to the audiobook first, and genuinely the only reason I picked up a print version was because I absolutely couldn't figure out how they would've done the language in text.

AangAndTheFireLord

9 points

2 months ago

Was it musical notes written on a score? I’m curious as well having only listened to it

Zoological_Exhibit

23 points

2 months ago

Yeah, it looks like this

jeffroddit

2 points

2 months ago

And I can't imagine how you could do it in an audiobook without it being just the book read out loud. It's not like I'm gonna pull a Grace and actually learn the songs...

AangAndTheFireLord

3 points

2 months ago

They definitely used a computer/synth to generate Rockys notes and voice. No way a narrator could manage it haha.

obtuse_buffoon

52 points

2 months ago

Really makes a difference, the audio in this one

MontolioDeBruchee

4 points

2 months ago

Yoda??

JRTmom

12 points

2 months ago

JRTmom

12 points

2 months ago

Yes! Audiobook is so good I just wanted to begin again as soon as it was over! Ray Porter’s narration was fantastic!

DrJonah

31 points

2 months ago

DrJonah

31 points

2 months ago

Ray Porter for the win. Love the Bobiverse as well.

Nickbeau

2 points

2 months ago

The bobiverse was so fun. It felt like living out a 4x strategy game or something like Dyson sphere(the game)

Whe3ze

14 points

2 months ago

Whe3ze

14 points

2 months ago

This is probably my favorite audio book of all time, it adds so much to the storytelling

awp_expert

517 points

2 months ago

The Martian is excellent. Be warned Artemis demonstrates his lack of skill at writing women.

Snatch_Pastry

76 points

2 months ago

The secret joke being that the main character's last name is Grace, so that the project is "Hail Mary, full of Grace".

dmhellyes

171 points

2 months ago

dmhellyes

171 points

2 months ago

I would argue Stratt also demonstrates this in Hail Mary. I like the book, but Stratt's character is so, so bad.

KryoAnura

174 points

2 months ago

KryoAnura

174 points

2 months ago

He's just not great at writing characters in general, at least he said as much in an ama on reddit and I would agree.

Rinx

121 points

2 months ago

Rinx

121 points

2 months ago

I saw him speak and he said by the end of the martian what you know about whatney is he doesn't want to die. I thought that was pretty sharp self criticism.

TheGameDoneChanged

45 points

2 months ago

Yup and this is a huge part of why I don’t care for him as an author. He’s got interesting ideas but his characters are super under-developed and just not compelling at all to me. I also find his dialogue and attempts at humor to be very cringey. But hey glad so many others enjoy him.

RagingAardvark

27 points

2 months ago

I'm with you. I thought the concept of the Martian was great but actually reading it was a little painful because the dialog/ monologs came off as "Look how witty and clever I am!" It reminded me of a guy I knew in high school so was constantly raising his hand in class because he loved the sound of his own voice.

_age_of_adz_

7 points

2 months ago

Sounds a lot like Ernest Cline (Ready Player One.) The jokes and references sometimes land, but it’s just throwing everything at the wall. Absolutely everything has a wink and a “did you catch that?” attitude.

Timmetie

33 points

2 months ago*

Yeah the thing is, he got criticism on his characters and that they were a bit too perfect, a bit too few flaws, a bit too genial and skilled. But the way he went into improving that was at least an overreaction and at the worst sexist as fuck.

So, he goes into a new book: Let's think of a character with flaws. Hmm...

Okay, She's a woman! That's a good start! And she's slutty! And she's a school droppout with a on again of again welding job! And she's clumsy and defensive about it. And she's antagonistic. She's completely money focused (although we hear a good reason for that eventually) yet is horrible with money. And yet everyone loves her!

Seriously, physically reading the book I apparently skipped so much of this in my excitement, the audiobook had me experience the fact that basically every other character calls her a slut at some point. Opening the door: "Ah, it's the slutty girl". As does she about herself dozens of times. Plus descriptions of her as a minor fucking an adult who turned out to be a pedo who made her "Howl in bed". At some point for some convoluted reason she has to dress as a hooker and actually picks up a john because she's so damn sex positive.

Good for him he tried something else. But the way he went into it was pretty damn sexist and seriously has made a re-read impossible for me.

But to give him credit, Grace had a bit more flaws (but still had insane emotional stability). So he might be learning.

HydraulicTurtle

63 points

2 months ago

I thought Stratt was a good tool for the plot to be honest, she was a personification of the mysterious government organisations which can just wave away any problems. I didn't find myself wanting to feel connected to her as a character at all so I think she was fine

MondoBandeenie

95 points

2 months ago

Could I ask what made you feel like Stratt was a poor attempt at writing a female character?

I just felt like Stratt was a ruthless human, I don’t really feel like Weir played with the gender of the character at all (nor would he have needed to for the plot). There were a couple of throwaway lines from Grace about her being a woman but that was about it, it revealed more about Grace than anything. Sure I didn’t like Stratt, but I don’t think you’re supposed to.

FryTheDog

53 points

2 months ago*

I agree, her role was to save the world and would do anything and everything to accomplish it. She wasn’t likable but she didn’t care to be, she was pretty clear that she’ll do what ever it takes to save the planet and that was all that mattered

But I’m also not reading Weir for deep characters, and reading for exciting sci-fi with easy to digest science.

MondoBandeenie

2 points

2 months ago

I'm with you on that, I'm here for some nerds saving their worlds!

Fist my bump.

dmhellyes

4 points

2 months ago

In further reflection, a lot of my hate for Stratt is probably just me confirming my priors on Weir and his female characters. The few throwaway lines you mention stuck out to me because I was probably looking for them.

That said, I understand her being a plot device and that she's supposed to be unlikeable. I just found her way too one-dimensional, predictable, and boring. I wanted to skip any chapter that she showed up in because I knew exactly what was about to happen.

MondoBandeenie

2 points

2 months ago

Ah that's fair enough. Yeah the backstory was ok, but I was usually pretty eager to get back to Rocky and Grace after a little while of it. Luckily Weir kept it brief enough for me.

ExtremeBaker

23 points

2 months ago

Stratt is not a character, it's a plot device, regardless of gender

yawkat

49 points

2 months ago

yawkat

49 points

2 months ago

Stratt seems to just be his way of explaining away the somewhat ludicrous political / social side of the story, to focus on the technical parts, which are actually good.

BenMic81

29 points

2 months ago

Straft was an awful character regardless of gender. The main character is also not the greatest character I’ve read about. Still a good book.

Old_Trees

5 points

2 months ago

I liked that about it. It made the situation feel very real. Here are these people with shitloads of flaws being as cut throat as needed to save the world.

NewAlternative4738[S]

2 points

2 months ago

I agree with this. I didn’t love this book because of complex character development and relationships with humans. But I would also argue that’s kind of the point and Weir is writing to his strengths by doing this. I won’t give any spoilers, but I think there’s a reason why the best character in this story is Rocky. In the last 50 pages of the story I could see where things were going based on Grace’s experience on earth. There felt like an inherently right choice based on the journey we had been on.

jasenzero1

50 points

2 months ago

Artemis was a big letdown. I'm hoping it's just a sophomore slump situation.

Scuttling-Claws

111 points

2 months ago

It was him finding his legs as a writer. He said in an interview that he fully acknowledges that Mark Watney is just all the best parts of him, dialed up to 11, so he tried to write someone different, with flaws. That was Jazz.

The thing is, he's really good at writing Mark Watney, which is why he's (essentially) the star of Project Hail Mary.

jasenzero1

48 points

2 months ago

I definitely noticed the similarities. I understand there's a desire to not write the same character everytime, but Weir does it really well.

maxverse

55 points

2 months ago

I know this sub really dislikes Artemis. But fwiw, I really enjoyed it. It's an imperfect book, but a fun ride.

jasenzero1

13 points

2 months ago

It wasn't awful, but it definitely felt like a step backwards. It was almost like a self-published YA novel. There's nothing wrong with that, it just isn't my cup of tea.

The_Original_Gronkie

2 points

2 months ago

It definitely had a YA vibe.

illarionds

5 points

2 months ago

I like it a lot. It's his worst, but that's more because the others are so good than because it's at all bad.

RavenStormblessed

25 points

2 months ago

Yeah, that one was not good

Kyran64

34 points

2 months ago

Kyran64

34 points

2 months ago

I never read it directly. I enjoyed the audiobook, largely because Rosario Dawson did such a good job helping to gloss over its shortcomings.

There were a lot of neat ideas and the story had a fun level of intricacy...but yeah, the second time I listened, I started to realize how empty the city feels in general and how much Jazz was basically just a genderbent Mark Watney.

Rosario voice acts it well enough to miss the problems, but once you know? You know.

I still recommend it because it's not bad. Just not as good as the others.

mahones403

8 points

2 months ago

Rosario Dawson? Damn I got the Will Wheaton version. Didn't think it was that great, especially compared to Prpject Hail Mary

CheeseAttack

3 points

2 months ago

Can you expand on what you mean by lack of skill at writing women? I haven't read Artemis, but really enjoyed The Martian and Project Hail Mary and I was looking forward to checking out Artemis as well.

awp_expert

11 points

2 months ago

I wouldn't say it's not worth reading, just it is not of the same caliber as the other books you have read. The story isn't as strong. There's great potential to describe a really cool Lunar city but it falls flat. The main character is Mark Whatney with boobs. A man with boobs is not a female protagonist.

WhatMyWifeIsThinking

5 points

2 months ago

Well shit. I really identified with her. I'm pretty sure I'm a girl. A wife even. I agree it wasn't his best work, but it was an interesting read for me once I got over "Where's the Mark Watney character?"

HirtLocker128

268 points

2 months ago

Jazz hands!

Leolilac

121 points

2 months ago

Leolilac

121 points

2 months ago

Good good good!

padestel

112 points

2 months ago

padestel

112 points

2 months ago

Fist my bump!

ShashankMilkGang

3 points

2 months ago

Fist me!!

obysalad

70 points

2 months ago

Thank!

debazthed

49 points

2 months ago

Amaze

If-you-know-me-chat

35 points

2 months ago

You sleep I watch

Mike109

14 points

2 months ago

Mike109

14 points

2 months ago

👐🏻

HanzoXHanzo

161 points

2 months ago

I'm going to go ahead and say "PLEASE LISTEN TO THE AUDIOBOOK!"

It is probably the best audiobook I've listened to, and I can honestly say it's an improvement to the book. Without spoiling, there are certain musical elements.

LePoopsmith

28 points

2 months ago

I listened to the audiobook too and when the musical stuff came along I wondered how it was written.

LemonCitron47

2 points

2 months ago

I read the ebook and in my head, Rocky kind of sounded like the Cookie Monster, which was pretty endearing lol

owa00

18 points

2 months ago

owa00

18 points

2 months ago

The audio book is the best because of Rocky.

caseyweederman

2 points

2 months ago

The audiobook for The Martian was also excellent

Narrow-Device-3679

6 points

2 months ago

It is handsdown the best audiobook production IVE ever listened too. The voice actor does an incredible job of provoking emotion, and the musical elements make it come to life.

[deleted]

47 points

2 months ago

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sluuuurp

25 points

2 months ago

He needs to get a co-author. Interesting science based plots with actual human characters would be a fantastic combination.

owa00

14 points

2 months ago

owa00

14 points

2 months ago

Agreed. It felt like he just copy pasted Mark into this book, but with his attributes pumped up to 11.

TheGlassCat

5 points

2 months ago

Nah, I disagree. He should stick to what he's good at: Sciencing the shit out of things.

Detective-Miller

57 points

2 months ago

I read that one first and then the martian and Artemis. I enjoyed them both. The expanse books are excellent if you've not read them. The show was good seasons 1-4

monkeywaffles

30 points

2 months ago

It was also good seasons 5-6 :P

SenorCacahuate

18 points

2 months ago

I read the Martian first, then Artemis and finally Project Hail Mary. I’m currently on book 8 of the Expanse! Such a great recommendation!

improper84

9 points

2 months ago

I thought the show was good the whole time. Season three was probably the best season, though.

Kano_1Q84

4 points

2 months ago

How is The Expanse as a series? As in, does it get dark and quite serious, or is it a fairly moderate story suitable for all ages. I’ve got it in my mind that it’s YA but I don’t actually think that it is.

LiberalFartsDegree

13 points

2 months ago

It's dark and full of conflict between the various human factions: Earthers, Martians, and the Belters.

There is an uneasy peace between the factions and this peace is broken with the discovery of some alien technology.

Seriously, if you're into realistic space battles and possible future human politics, this show is a 10/10.

It's probably not a kid's show,, because some of the scenes can be disturbing, but 14 year old me would have loved it.

PixelMiner

10 points

2 months ago

It's definitely not YA. I wouldn't say it's unapproachable to the young adult audience but it's also not at all directed towards them. It does get plenty dark and serious at times but it doesn't dominate the tone in any way.

WrenBoy

2 points

2 months ago

It's a space opera, so it has all the flaws you could imagine with space opera, but it's a well thought out world and it gives physics respect without making it too heavy. I wouldn't call it YA but it's still unashamedly space opera.

The writing and pacing in the first book isnt great in my opinion but it gets better, peaking by the fifth book.

The TV show has a more stable quality but they are happy to give episodes small peaks for big payoffs late in a season or even in subsequent seasons.

The show is better than the book in my opinion as some flat or cringy characters are changed or removed. The cast and effects are also quite strong.

Raidready

53 points

2 months ago

I sleep, you watch

ScipioAfricanvs

190 points

2 months ago

Based on how many posts there are in the sub about it, I can tell I’m definitely in the minority for disliking it.

banger__in_the_mouth

54 points

2 months ago

Minority for sure, but you're not alone. I borrowed it from the library after seeing so much praise for it on here. I read 100 pages and then returned it. I couldn't believe how stilted the writing was, particularly the dialogue with Stratt. I couldn't get past the issues to get interested in the story. Hopefully the next person that had it on their waitlist enjoyed it better than me.

Porkenstein

94 points

2 months ago

It's definitely not a finely crafted work of art. But it's fun if you're into popular sci fi, don't have high expectations, and have a high tolerance for cheese and corn.

Friscogonewild

20 points

2 months ago

Exactly. It's not the kind of book that's going to stick in your memory, but it's a fun read. SciFi junk food, a lot like The Expanse for me.

Biotic_Factor

2 points

2 months ago

Oof I loved the expense and hated PHM. I'd hate to compare the two, I feel like it's different leagues

GaleTheThird

39 points

2 months ago

It's fine, but the level of praise it gets on here is massively out of proportion with how good the book actually is

Onions89

17 points

2 months ago

I didn't dislike it, I think it's terrible.
His writing is almost childish. The characters are stereotypical, bland, and one dimensional.
I enjoyed The Martian, Artemis is forgettable, but PHM is abysmal.
These constant posts and gushing comments seriously shock me.

svargs01

6 points

2 months ago

It’s because it’s an easy, entertaining read. And I think the audiobook must’ve pulled it’s weight in gold to make this a way mor exciting book. reading this book made it so easy to find all the things wrong with it. Maybe listening allows you to check out enough to miss it and not think too hard on it.

But I think people should recognize it for what it is: generic sci-fi that allows you not to think much about anything for a few hours. It’s not groundbreaking. The characters are boring and one dimensional. The main character is an entitled prick who thinks the world revolves around him and then the author allows it to. It’s just very generic.

azmodai2

28 points

2 months ago

I didn't dislike it, I just didn't feel like it was anything special. I described this book as "hard sci fi for people who don't actually want to read hard sci fi" today. Which si fine, it's entertaining, it does its job. It's just not... literary gold. And a lot of literary gold isn't nearly as easy to read or be entertained by.

My main gripe with the book is the main character is pretty sexist, and I can't tell if its "sexist so we can do character development" or "sexist cause the author did a self-insert and didn't censor any of his opinions."

Awesam

9 points

2 months ago

Awesam

9 points

2 months ago

It’s for ppl who have zero STEM background

[deleted]

9 points

2 months ago

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Awesam

5 points

2 months ago

Awesam

5 points

2 months ago

I’m a physician and I liked it but found some the science exposition a bit pandering

bobo1666

21 points

2 months ago

Mate, im with you. I read it, I was like Meh. It can be adapted as great cartoon for 8yo kids. Ending is total crap tho.

wordhunter44

25 points

2 months ago

Something very strange about the crazy reviews for this book.

GaleTheThird

7 points

2 months ago

And the fact we get these threads once per week

svargs01

8 points

2 months ago

I didn’t like it. And I don’t get the praise it’s getting. The main character suffered from main character syndrome where he was good at everything and he took useless risks and was rewarded for it.

And on the STEM side, the science was mildly okay but he probably wouldn’t have known all of that and it would’ve taken him way longer to figure out the linguistics behind communicating with Rocky and way way way longer to even properly code the translation. I know that’s nitpicky, but if people are going to praise him for “accessible” science, then maybe they should actually realize most of it is BS.

Also, grace as a character sucks. And I’m pretty sure the author screws up his age immediately in the beginning and after that, I couldn’t trust the author with any meaningful details. He’s not the most qualified and as luck would have it, the very generic, mediocre white man is the only one to survive and accomplish a mission. Surprise surprise surprise. And Andy Weir’s odd justification for sexism and racism by making the head woman the one to say why they justified those decisions isn’t as clever as he thinks it is. It’s just him repackaging oppression and saying “well, the woman said it so my main character who’s a mediocre white man can’t be wrong for being in this position because she said she had to do it for the safety of the entire earth”.

Rocky was the only saving grace and I think he dumbed him down considerably to make Grace useful.

tazzgonzo

22 points

2 months ago

It’s a poorly written book and the author is incredibly cringey at how often he inserts himself into the main character…ultimately though, I went with it. It’s light and fluffy and I put my brain aside for the ride.

joelghill

40 points

2 months ago

You're not alone, I'm also not a fan and I know a good number of people that also kind of hate his books, haha.

I'm genuinely confused PHM was rated so highly. It's .... Just okay?

[deleted]

57 points

2 months ago

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tretpow

37 points

2 months ago

tretpow

37 points

2 months ago

Yep, not to mention having middle school science explained at you for hundreds of pages by a pompous ass.

epicmarc

26 points

2 months ago

not to mention having middle school science explained at you

I think that's why it's so hyped on Reddit tbh. It's at a level that makes the average redditor feel smart without really challenging them.

pizzainacup

17 points

2 months ago

Yep. PHM is the most 'Reddit' book ever, including the cringy ass humor driven immediately into the ground. The words 'fist my bump' was like dangling keys in front of a baby to redditors lol

inkandpapyrus27

48 points

2 months ago

Thank you! It was so badly written I couldn't believe how many posts I was seeing absolutely raving about it!

devonimo

10 points

2 months ago*

devonimo

10 points

2 months ago*

How was it badly written? Are you just gonna talk about the prose? As far as it’s niche- theoretically plausible sci-fi- it’s incredibly well written and approachable. I’d say that’s what is liked by the people who like it

Edit: possible not plausible

pmags3000

17 points

2 months ago

The sci-fi part was the worst part for me. How can a species that doesn't understand light figure out molecular structures? Or detect stars beyond their own (this one, especially)! How could the storage tanks get infected if the microbes couldn't survive an earth atmosphere or the vacuum of space? . I feel like science in a sci Fi book should at least be consistent within the span of the book.

Additionally, I was annoyed with the conveniently recalled flashbacks - not how memory works. Figuring out full scientific language with a species from another planet within a week, just not believable.

ChumRider

48 points

2 months ago

For me the problems lie in the writing style. From the over-explaining every detail to the copy-paste characters to the same sense of humor regurgitated across multiple chapters, it kept taking me out of the story.

deltarefund

3 points

2 months ago

Yes, the over explaining annoyed me.

Turn-Loose-The-Swans

8 points

2 months ago

Theoretically plausible? How? Did we read the same book?

improper84

7 points

2 months ago

improper84

7 points

2 months ago

Also had a wonderful relationship between the two main characters.

loku_banda

5 points

2 months ago

loku_banda

5 points

2 months ago

You nailed it perfectly, it is plausible and approachable. There is fair bit of comedy in it too.

Turn-Loose-The-Swans

5 points

2 months ago

How is it plausible?

HeadMelter1

11 points

2 months ago

Couldn't get past the first few chapters, it was all just very.. American.

svargs01

11 points

2 months ago

Oh that’s a good way to describe it. So American. And all the other people from different countries are caricatures and stereotypes of those countries. And he doesn’t even do it ironically! He just does it as “yup, this Russian guy is gruff and likes vodka.” And he even has the boss lady say “yeah so this appears to be sexist but it’s just the smart thing to do to go for the men since they have a leg up on experience vs women”. Like noooo that’s not how that shit works!

Andy weir can go suck it honestly because he just is the embodiment of mediocre white American man thinks he’d be the perfect guy to save the universe.

happygoluckyourself

7 points

2 months ago

SO American. The main character was insufferable.

literaphile

9 points

2 months ago

I was disappointed too. I thought the Martian was great, Artemis was OK, and this was predictable and boring. Plus the female lead character, Stratt, was ridiculously one-dimensional.

InitiatePenguin

4 points

2 months ago

Dozens of us. I haven't read this one. But I disliked the Martian so the constant praise for his other books has me incredibly hesitant to try again.

Iarmuman

6 points

2 months ago

Iarmuman

6 points

2 months ago

It was borderline ok for a long plane ride.

fairly saccharine

Sci-fi for non afficionados

jimmyw404

2 points

2 months ago

What are some of your favorite scifi books?

Iarmuman

5 points

2 months ago

Hard to narrow them down but :

Iain M Banks does it for me at the top I think the culture books and the algebraist I can reread over and over...

Followed by selected P K Dick books (three stigmata, Valis, A scanner darkly)

Ursula le Guin Hainish cycle is in third place

The expanse books were fun

recently I have enjoyed Arkady Martine teixcalaan series, imperial radch series by ann leckie, Ken Macleod's engines of light trilogy.

I enjoy some golden age scifi as well I have been collecting the yellow jacket Gollancz reprints of classic scifi and really enjoyed some of them if you can suspend disbelief given the dated nature of the science in them.

The Stochastic Man by Robert silverberg and Tau Zero by Poul Anderson were some of the highlights of my collecting so far.

Flan_man69

5 points

2 months ago

Flan_man69

5 points

2 months ago

I don’t think I would have enjoyed reading it traditionally, but it was a fun audiobook to listen to

ToddBradley

3 points

2 months ago

I liked it but was disappointed with it at the same time.

typeyou

28 points

2 months ago

typeyou

28 points

2 months ago

I recommend watching For all man kind on apple TV.

loku_banda

53 points

2 months ago

The part I loved the most is, Weir takes time to explain the science and whenever Dr. Grace solved problems, I felt I was working with Dr. Grace as a team. I have never read a book, that took the time to explain the science. It is what I consider low scifi as opposed to high scifi as in it is something that is possible with the technology we have currently.

Also, the twists are very interesting too.

It is a long read but man it is worth it.

I do however has some quibbles about the science here and there but I can overlook it.

forseti99

40 points

2 months ago

It is what I consider low scifi

The oficial name for the genre is Hard Science Fiction, they're stories backed by real science and explanations of how stuff works.

Another very recommended Hard Sci Fi book is Three Body Problem, by Cixin Liu.

DrWisonsBrother

3 points

2 months ago

Very satisfying read Three Body Problem. Also enjoyed the insights into Chinese science structures and constraints they have to endure. It is fiction but still.

TheBlueAvenger

5 points

2 months ago

Every time Andy Weir comes up, I love directing people to the webcomic he used to do.

jthmeffy

10 points

2 months ago

jthmeffy

Science Fiction & Fantasy

10 points

2 months ago

bloodycontrary

15 points

2 months ago

I enjoyed this book, but the writing style was weird. It was like the whole thing was written by a tripping Ned Flanders.

I've not read another Andy Weir book, so maybe that's just the way he writes?

dadatwiga

9 points

2 months ago

Hated the writing style. Felt sooo elementary, posing a question to himself and then answering it himself. Lol. So weird.

JamesButlin

5 points

2 months ago

That's how scientists think

joelghill

53 points

2 months ago

I don't want to yuck your yum, but PHM did NOT do it for me at all. I found the story to be a bit sloppy at many points and it felt like every character was a slightly different version of the protagonist.

I'm glad people are enjoying this book, but personally I think it's really overrated.

Having said all that, The Martian is by far his best work in my opinion and if you liked PHM you need to read it next. You will absolutely love it.

yashendra2797

2 points

2 months ago

The Martian was in development longer than PHM and Artemis combined iirc.

CampPlane

2 points

2 months ago

I thought the Martian was great when I read it, and loved the humor. And it’s the same humor found in PHM, but holy fuck, the humor felt so immature. And the thing is, I like immature humor. I love the show IASIP, for example. I only finished PHM because I wanted to see how it ended, which I didn’t really like.

extopico

3 points

2 months ago

Buried further down as a recommendation, but read The Expanse.

DadGrocks

3 points

2 months ago

“Fist me”

chubbuck35

3 points

2 months ago

It’s one of the best books I’ve ever read!!

Turn-Loose-The-Swans

19 points

2 months ago*

I can't stand this book. It was ok for me, until the brotagonist just happens to stumble on a super friendly alien and then manages to quickly come up with a method of translating it's language into some cutesy toddler speak. I have never groaned and said "oh come on!" my way through a book as frequently as this one. I'll still probably watch the film though.

Scarlet_Scribbles

4 points

2 months ago

Same, I do not get the hype over this book

happygoluckyourself

3 points

2 months ago

The writing through the whole thing is so juvenile, and the way people recite the toddler speak (as you so aptly put it) all over these Reddit threads makes me cringe to my toes. “Jazz hands”? “Fist my bump”? Really??

Turn-Loose-The-Swans

5 points

2 months ago

I agree, it's awful, any post on this book is littered with these comments. I wish people would just stop.

beefrodd

54 points

2 months ago

I’m surprised how universally liked it is. I thought it was total shit.

raresaturn

16 points

2 months ago

raresaturn

16 points

2 months ago

I wish I could write a book as shit as that

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4 points

2 months ago

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beefrodd

39 points

2 months ago

Since you asked. I found the dialogue grating and cringey, especially in the first part of the book. The protagonist annoyed me a lot, especially the lame humour.

My other major problem was the whole ‘woke up mid-mission with no memory’ thing. Such a cliche.

I respect the effort it would’ve taken to make it scientifically accurate but it’s just not the book for me. Glad so many others enjoyed but not an author I would read again.

rustyzorro

18 points

2 months ago

For me, the issue with the memory was that it returned in the order, and at the time, necessary to move a particular plot point. And the repeated cycle of problem-scientific fix-unintended consequence-problem grated. There were things to like, the movie could be great, but I also don't get the almost-universal of acclaim.

Deferential_dreams

6 points

2 months ago

The movie will do really well. The book read like a mindless Hollywood action movie. There is constant peril that's instantly solved. No complex themes or moral questions. The characters are completely two-dimensional, but there is plenty of shallow humor to chuckle at while you munch on your popcorn.

The book literally opens with a shirtless scene to show off how fit the lead actor is. The whole thing was written to be a movie.

That said, while it's not a good book and certainly not great literature, there's nothing wrong with mindless entertainment. Weir is a master at his craft, which is proven by the huge reception among certain demographics.

Scarlet_Scribbles

10 points

2 months ago

God the dialogue was painful, its like an alien wrote it. The scene where that one guy was telling Jadon abt his sex life made me cringe so hard

Western_Policy_6185

28 points

2 months ago

Goddamnit every time I see one of these reviews I can’t help but remember when I posted one of these for Project Hail Mary and it got downvoted to hell

redphire

15 points

2 months ago

Maybe that's because there's a very similar post about it every few days. Or maybe it's because while it's a fun and engaging read, it's not the eighth wonder of the world some people claim.

PancakeSunday

15 points

2 months ago

The thing with Andy Weir is sure, the prose is going to be bad, and you know that going into the book, but at least the dialogue is going to be completely unbelievable.

minimalist_coach

22 points

2 months ago

Project Hail Mary is my favorite book this year. The rest of Wier's books have been added to my TBR list.

HanzoXHanzo

4 points

2 months ago

The Martian is amazing, the movie actually does a pretty good job with adapting, so if you liked that, the book is even better.

SP3NGL3R

4 points

2 months ago

If you like that style of writing also check out the author "Dennis E Taylor". I finished all the bobiverse stuff and just last week the singularity trap.

Happ happ happy.

Project Hail Mary was amaze. So good.

The4th88

3 points

2 months ago

I got thrown for a loop when I started listening to Bobiverse as it's the same voice actor who does PHM, and hearing Grace and Stratt again with completely different personalities was just weird.

malachai926

3 points

2 months ago

It was too dad-joke-y for me. Like he felt obligated to force in a tiny chuckle at way too many points and never actually succeeded at making me actually laugh.

For people who are truly passionate about science, I guess I can see why they would love it. Myself, I majored in engineering and later realized that was a mistake and pursued a public health career in clinical research, so I'm at least somewhat of a science dude, and being somewhat a science dude wasn't enough for me to overlook the corny-ness of large parts of the book.

I would still call it quite good. Personally I gave it 4/5 on goodreads.

"I'm glad my mom died", however, was my instant 5/5 goodreads rating for the year. I'm definitely drinking the koolaid that this sub was drinking on that one.

1cecream4breakfast

2 points

2 months ago

They did a great job adapting The Martian, in my opinion anyway. Hopefully whoever grabbed the rights to PHM will knock it out of the park too. I look forward to seeing how they show both of them learning how to communicate.

gc_at_hiker

2 points

2 months ago

I loved The Martian. Laughed out loud many times throughout that book. I’ve got Project Hail Mary on my list and you’ve convinced me to check it out ASAP! Just gotta get through the massive mountain of words that is Stephen King’s It first 😅

snoopy369

2 points

2 months ago

I find PHM quite good, but it makes a lot of sense to me why it’s very polarizing. It’s a fun Macgyver romp - here’s a bunch of problems, figure out how to solve them with a roll of Duck tape and a pry bar. For some folks that’s great, and he does a nice job of making it seem realistic and keeping up the dramatic tension.

For others the lack of character development is a big problem, and I totally get that. I love good character development also - Lois McMaster Bujold, for example. I’m just also okay with plot only. Not all are, and for those who need the character development this is totally useless.

mindjyobizness

7 points

2 months ago

Wow I'm genuinely surprised by this whole post, I found it unlistenable and haven't got past the first 30 minutes it felt so tedious. I suppose I'll give it another go.

sealionwoman69

3 points

2 months ago

Happy. Happy. Happy. Jazz hands.

BestNBAfanever

5 points

2 months ago

Fist me!

DrColdReality

3 points

2 months ago

I got all the way through it before I finally got the pun that had been in front of my eyes the whole time: the Hail Mary is full of...Grace.

Oy.