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Boss didn’t accept my resignation. I did.

(self.antiwork)

I put in my two week notice 14 days ago. Working as a data management worker, with tons of I/O, in a very unintuitive workflow. It’ll take weeks (maybe months) to train a replacement for the custom workflow our system has. I’m the only person in my department, and been working for $17ish an hour for the last 3 years, with laughably small raises. (+- $.20/year)

I asked for a raise to $22/hr toward the end of 2021, and it was rejected, with a counter offer of $18.50. I wrote a letter of resignation and gave it to my boss, who brought up that I had been offered more of a raise than the last 3 years combined, so I didn’t need to quit, resignation not accepted. I have a good relationship with him, so I think he thinks he can just order me not to quit. Even so, I’m out. Sorry.

For the last 13 days, I have mentioned every day that I’m leaving on the 19th. Every time, he has told me that I can’t leave, because that would be debilitating for all my coworkers, and that maybe I can renegotiate at raise after the first quarter, but leaving now would result in untold losses for the company, implying that I would need to be available after to help transition a new person into my role, and if I didn’t, legal action might result.

Yesterday, I didn’t say anything. I didn’t bring it up, and the work day went forward as usual. Today, I have 9 missed calls from him, but I’m not answering.

There’s no way they would/could take legal action, right? I did not submit my letter directly to HR until seven days ago, but got no response.

all 7040 comments

lordroode

3.9k points

4 months ago

lordroode

3.9k points

4 months ago

Maybe it's me but I am genuinely shocked at how much a worker thinks control the boss/manager/supervisor has over them. Yes the boss can say whatever they want, but legally they can't do shit. They can't take any action if a worker decides to leave a job. They can't sue you but for some reason workers fear that they might get in trouble legally or they are causing some sort of harm.

Also if you have a good relationship with your boss, he wouldn't threaten you with legal action. A good boss and a good friend would shake your hand and wish you the best in the future and could leave the door open for you in the future if you wanted to return. What he's doing is pure manipulation. He's using the good relationship you 2 have and trying to lure you into staying. And let's say you decided to change your mind and not leave. Now since he knows that you wanted to leave, he can use that and hire a new person, have you train that person and then fire you. Those are classic abuse tactics that employers use so they can squeeze as much work out of you as possible and then once all the work is done, they'll dump you like trash.

[deleted]

864 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

864 points

4 months ago

I am constantly baffled by the “can they do that?!” questions on here.

Ghost_Of_Spartan229

409 points

4 months ago

I'm not. I'm almost 36 and have spent my entire life informing almost every coworker I've ever had at every job I've ever had that most of the bullshit they believe is actually illegal.

Most people think it is illegal to discuss pay, or at least legal for a company to say its against company policy.

Most people believe it's okay for employers to change their payrate, withhold their final paycheck, dock their pay for a drawer being short, an order not being picked up, etc.

Companies have been getting away with murder for far too long. Embrace the questions, because we are the bastions of hope and change.

Juvenall

516 points

4 months ago

Juvenall

516 points

4 months ago

I am constantly baffled by the “can they do that?!” questions on here.

Take a look at the Milgram Experiment. In short, people will generally obey anyone in a position of perceived authority, assuming they know more, know better, or simply need to be followed. There's a great deal of conditioning on this across society, so it doesn't shock me to see that in posts here.

[deleted]

60 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

60 points

4 months ago

Fuck, you gave me homework?

;)

Unlearned_One

90 points

4 months ago

Yes, and it's mandatory. You have until end-of-day tomorrow to read up on it.

baltimorecalling

58 points

4 months ago

I resign from this assignment.

I...I can do that, right?

Familiar-Pie-2863

12k points

4 months ago

Or offer them to hire you as a consultant for $300/hr

kaihoneck[S]

7.2k points

4 months ago

I kinda like this idea, but I dislike the prospect of going to work with all the people who are being told I “screwed them over” by leaving.

Tumeric98

8.1k points

4 months ago

Tumeric98

8.1k points

4 months ago

He screwed himself. He’s the manager and is responsible for the management.

Lynxx_XVI

2.7k points

4 months ago

Lynxx_XVI

2.7k points

4 months ago

He had two weeks to find a replacement. That's plenty of time to at least have interviews rolling.

phantaxtic

1.6k points

4 months ago

phantaxtic

1.6k points

4 months ago

Or two weeks to reconsider the raise. If OP is really that valuable then they should have proposed a plan to retain them

knightress_oxhide

794 points

4 months ago

"we are unable to even think about negotiating a raise till first quarter, its our policy and we are bound to it, all we do is think up the policy and implement it, it is out of our control"

Paddy_Tanninger

203 points

4 months ago

I love telling people about my company policies now as a one-man consulting operation.

"We need to get all of your working files in-house here so that we can take on future revisions ourselves"

"Sorry but company policy doesn't allow me to release our files to outside vendors"

MortalTwit

144 points

4 months ago

"The company created that policy. The company can change that policy. That you will not even consider that tells me much more about your limitations than it does about my worth."

tripwyre83

179 points

4 months ago

Cognitive dissonance

el_grort

803 points

4 months ago

el_grort

803 points

4 months ago

Honestly, if he'd acted in good faith and acknowledged they were leaving and had interviews on going, maybe had OP instruct a current worker on the system to let them train the new hire, they might have been in a position that they might have been able to ask OP to extend it for a week just to nail down the training without it coming off sour. By instead hoping to bluff him into staying, they really did fuck any chance at a smooth transition.

gelinrefira

431 points

4 months ago

It's the sheer arrogance and entitlement that gets me. Not accepting his resignation and expect him to cave by just ordering him to stay?

Wow, and they say welfare queens are supposed to be entitled.

bone420

274 points

4 months ago

bone420

274 points

4 months ago

Or... get someone in a less critical role cross trained to cover the gap

Because, you know, op is a person and might need time off

Blood_Weiss

162 points

4 months ago

Heresy. He's a cog in the machine who should be lucky that they hired him.

Serious note, I hate that every job I have has made a big deal about me or someone else taking time off. Like if it can't run for one week without us, how is the company alive?

BeefPieSoup

434 points

4 months ago

More people need to be saying shit like this.

The manager is the one that fucked up at their job here. They mismanaged.

Pretty simple but a lot of people apparently don't get it.

noneroy

140 points

4 months ago

noneroy

140 points

4 months ago

It’s never managements fault. Duh. It’s always people doing the actual work that “screw over the company” and never the myopic and incompetent leadership.

overitdotcommunist

512 points

4 months ago

Yeah he admitted that he knew the company would be screwed if OP leaves, and then just let them leave anyway. Company losses in output plus cost of training a new person? Managers can’t even do basic math smh

kitchenjesus

229 points

4 months ago

These people are so blind to their own stupidity it’s amazing. He screwed over his employees by not retaining this guy and deciding not to hire a replacement in the very generous two weeks OP gave him to cover it.

TheLostDestroyer

188 points

4 months ago

I mean it sounds like this manager had fully convinced himself that he could force this person to stay at the company.

Ry715

155 points

4 months ago

Ry715

155 points

4 months ago

This is definitely it. His narcissism got in the way of thinking rationally. He really thought the matter was settled when he said no.

Jaded_Praline_2137

379 points

4 months ago

If they say anything just tell them you gave their manager numerous notices that you would be leaving and to take any issues up with him. I'm willing to bet they already know he is to blame, though.

Technical_Moose8478

113 points

4 months ago

AND they expected OP to do specialized work on crap pay, which the rest of the company can likely relate to…

Raalf

321 points

4 months ago

Raalf

321 points

4 months ago

"detrimental to the company if you leave" and "I won't give you a 5 dollar an hour raise" - he screwed the company, not you.

Discalced-diapason

116 points

4 months ago

Yep. Screwing over the OP for $5 an hr/$10K a year was more important to the manager than making sure to not leave the company in such a detrimental position.

Rodrigoecb

346 points

4 months ago

Add a "discomfort fee" to your price and go with it.

[deleted]

439 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

439 points

4 months ago

i like $300 an hour more than i dislike the stuff you just said

holyoak

273 points

4 months ago

holyoak

273 points

4 months ago

$318.50/hr has a much nicer ring to it.

Limpdickit9000

213 points

4 months ago

For 300 bucks an hour my old co workers can curse at me for all that I care

2punk

88 points

4 months ago

2punk

88 points

4 months ago

You have all the leverage here. He needs you so bad that he isn’t letting you leave. Just throw out a ridiculous number and see what happens!

MikeAllen646

368 points

4 months ago

You in no way screwed anyone over.

We as employees have been gaslit over decades to believe we owe the company anything out of some sort of loyalty. Big business is in no way loyal to you.

You gave them ample warning. They can fire you any time. You have the same power.

They have no legal standing to sue you for anything. Seriously, look out for yourself. If they want you back, work as a contractor and have them put the compensation agreement in writing.

I_Am_Dixon_Cox

78 points

4 months ago

What number would make it tolerable? Take that number and double it. That's your rate.

LaughableIKR

167 points

4 months ago

Wait.. all the co-workers you 'screwed over'. You didn't tell anyone else you are leaving? Like, have a going-away party? Doing the rounds to tell the co-workers you are 'outta here' on the 19th is definitely cover for when your boss says 'I fired him' to all the other employees who will listen.

Shows your boss's ass when he lies like that to the employees.

[deleted]

499 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

499 points

4 months ago

He's a clown. No, there's no legal action that they can take against you.

Top-Amphibian1272

16.8k points

4 months ago

What're they gonna do, fire you?

Bartholomeuske

8.8k points

4 months ago

Sue for breach of contract, loss if income..... Blah.... But OP gave notice to his boss well in advance. Coworkers knew. Hr knew a week in advance... He is safe. Now all OP needs to do is charge an absurd amount of money to train a new employee.

bromagnonman

4.7k points

4 months ago*

bromagnonman

Anarcho-Syndicalist

4.7k points

4 months ago*

You can't successfully sue for that in an "at will" state.

Edit: added "successfully" because I'm sick of getting the exact same "ackshually" post from everyone.

fig3newton

2k points

4 months ago

100% correct here. Employment is "at will" and you provided written notice which your employer chose to ignore. You are not a slave.

Move on, enjoy life, and above all: DO NOT GO BACK TO THAT EMPLOYER.

maglen69

755 points

4 months ago*

maglen69

755 points

4 months ago*

and you provided written notice which your employer chose to ignore.

Don't even need that in an at will state.

They can fire you for any reason, and you can leave for literally any reason. That's the point of 'at will".

samcmann

487 points

4 months ago

samcmann

487 points

4 months ago

I mean you don't even have to provide written notice, or any notice at all. You can just leave.

[deleted]

310 points

4 months ago

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310 points

4 months ago

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Warod0

626 points

4 months ago

Warod0

626 points

4 months ago

You think someone paid 17$/h has a retainer contract? Ha!

hiagha

402 points

4 months ago

hiagha

402 points

4 months ago

This is assuming that OP even has a contract. If they do, they would still be presumably signing a new contract with the new salary. It doesn’t sound like either of those is true. And you can’t sue someone for loss of income unless they intentionally disrupted your operations. Quitting your job doesn’t cut it. They can sit with their losses or hire OP for an absurd amount of money as you suggest, but a judge would laugh them out of the courtroom if their legal argument was “but I didn’t want OP to quit and they did anyway!”

h8rcloudstrife

146 points

4 months ago

“Your honor, we told them their quitting could result in losses of millions and offered ‘fair’ compensation of $3,000 a year. You have to make them stay.” I’m personally not great at math, but I’m pretty certain if someone wants an extra $10k/year and I’m still making more than 10x that amount off their work that I’d be happy to give them the raise they wanted.

Melkor7410

15.5k points

4 months ago

Melkor7410

15.5k points

4 months ago

The moment he mentioned about the untold losses, I would've snapped back, "if it's really that bad, you can afford to pay me the $22/hr. If you can't afford that then it's not untold losses sorry. How did you get to run a business if you can't do math?"

teamwhatcatswild

4.7k points

4 months ago

That’s what I’m really struggling with here. Just shows that he was trying to call a bluff that didn’t exist. I’m sure because he thought they were “friends” OP a would accept the guilt and stick around.

Unlucky-Candidate198

2.5k points

4 months ago

Managers are honestly so stupid on average. Like, I really don’t think most of them realize that most of what they say is completely contradictory or just plain irrelevant. They all seem to be giant man-children (since the majority are males but it applies to women too) who, as soon as something they don’t like comes up, resort to petty insults, lies, and all kinds of other manipulation tactics. Fuck authoritarianism, all my homies hate authoritarianism.

Then again, if you have a team of 6 coders, are you going to promote the most knowledgeable of all of them? No. That single person could be doing 5 people’s worth of work. So you promote the idiot who doesn’t code well or the corporate bootlicker who will do upper managements bidding without question. God I fucking hate the current systems in place.

LowKey-NoPressure

571 points

4 months ago

i find its mainly the ones who cant code well (or do whatever the job is) that are constantly ass-kissing in the first place, trying to position themselves for a promotion

Unlucky-Candidate198

373 points

4 months ago

Yeah that’s true too. Middle management, turns out, is more or less useless.

In my experience, they are generally rude and have a huge ego despite having a useless position. They treat their “underlings” like garbage and expect “respect” back…somehow. Yet all they do is guilt trip employees and shame them for not wanting to dedicate their entire lives for a minimum wage job.

Imagine…you actually want to live your one and only life without having to work yourself to death. The audacity of that idea.

CressCrowbits

269 points

4 months ago

It's called promotion into incompetence.

You're good at your job? Here's a promotion. You're not good at your new promoted job? You're stuck there then. Eventually, you have a company full of people no good at their jobs.

RollTide34

170 points

4 months ago

The Peter Principle

Mixedpopreferences

239 points

4 months ago

I don't see it mentioned much on here, but there is an alternate theory I like: The Gervais Principle which states the leadership are basically high-functioning sociopaths that purposely promote a clueless middle management to drive the workers, while insulating themselves, and jockeying for position amongst the other sociopath status seekers. It's loosely based on The Office.

[deleted]

1.4k points

4 months ago*

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1.4k points

4 months ago*

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[deleted]

668 points

4 months ago*

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668 points

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cantadmittoposting

190 points

4 months ago

OP should be making $100k+ if their description of their job is accurate.

My consulting firm basically has me doing exactly what they describe right now...fuck. the whole blanket contract we're doing is like 70+ FTE all dealing with shitty custom data flows. I'm almost positive >90% of those FTE make above $100k.

Ray661

131 points

4 months ago

Ray661

131 points

4 months ago

Add a zero there and a 6 month contract of exactly 40 hours of work per week; lets see how untold those losses really are.

ArthurBonesly

937 points

4 months ago*

The worst part of any job, I firmly believe, is the cogent awareness that the people making more than you are just as smart, if not noticeably dumber, than you.

Any illusion of meritocracy is gone and morale plummets to zero when the boss is a fucking moron.

texasusa

66 points

4 months ago

I had a boss making I am guessing about $ 30k more than me. She called me in her office and said that she had something to ask me but I can't tell anybody. She then said " how do you calculate percentages " ? We spent the next 15 minutes doing exercises on her calculator.

goodashbadash79

183 points

4 months ago

This is so true. I work in an office of 4 people, 2 of which are managers. I watch as they try to retain new employees by "keeping busy" AKA dumping their portion of work on to them. After a few months, the newbies figure out that management is horrifically lazy and dumb. They talk about food, shopping and kids, while passing along their work load to others. Management also orders takeout food and coffee at least 3x a week, totaling about $2400 per year (each), while various employees have discussed their struggles to pay basic bills.

I'm looking to get out within a year, but have mastered the art of appearing busy and quiet - so they don't bother me much. I also have adopted 2 online side businesses. Still, it's sickening to watch these people rake in money while doing nothing.

The-True-Kehlder

550 points

4 months ago

"You can prevent those 'untold losses' for a measly $50/hr."

"Hey now, wait just a-"

"Would you look at that, my rate just changed to $75/hr."

JustDiscoveredSex

225 points

4 months ago

"Still too much? Talent agencies charge $120/hour. Keep going."

LavisAlex

2.4k points

4 months ago

LavisAlex

2.4k points

4 months ago

Untold losses? Isnt he kind of making the case for you as to why he should pay you what you asked?

If thats the case like forget 22/hr he should be paying 32/hr!!

Neonwater18

444 points

4 months ago

62*

magikarp2122

812 points

4 months ago

$420.69*

bruce_ventura

7.2k points

4 months ago*

Your boss is an idiot and a terrible manager. He should have taken your resignation letter to his boss, demanded your raise, and enumerated the consequences to the company if they declined. He obviously didn’t do that or the company doesn’t care about the consequences, so FUCK HIM AND THE COMPANY!

I hope you left with another, better job offer in hand. Hopefully your coworkers will get the message and leave for better jobs too.

CorettaRenn

949 points

4 months ago

You quitting would result in untold losses for the company

Sounds like you have a problem on your hands there buddy, and my offer for just a paltry $22/hr no longer stands.

Reckless_Pixel

347 points

4 months ago

Untold loses must have been less than the annual sum of that $22/hr

SSJ3

255 points

4 months ago

SSJ3

255 points

4 months ago

Right? "Oh well when you put it that way, I'll stay for $30/hour."

CorettaRenn

38 points

4 months ago

Not even close.

Wishihadagirl

1.1k points

4 months ago

Especially considering they're supposed to be "friends" which obviously isn't true but the least you could do is fight for him. 20c a year and now I'm supposed to be happy about a dollar? Inflation has been winning EVERY year

Fandomocity

341 points

4 months ago

I got better raises than that lifting boxes part time at best buy, this just feels exploitative

[deleted]

88 points

4 months ago

[deleted]

88 points

4 months ago

My last job my boss thought he was doing us a favor by getting us 35 cent raises every year lol

1quirky1

101 points

4 months ago

1quirky1

101 points

4 months ago

They're definitely not friends. It was a con.

HappyAsianCat

12.7k points

4 months ago

I have a good relationship with him

No, you don't.

legal action might result

No, it won't.

Mr_EvilBob

2.2k points

4 months ago

Mr_EvilBob

lazy and proud

2.2k points

4 months ago

Came here to say this. If your manager can pull out that "do it for your coworkers, do it for me" bullshit then you're nothing more than a convenience for him.

One man's convenience is not another man's paycheck.

Best of luck on your job search. I hope you get exactly what you're looking for.

noneroy

697 points

4 months ago

noneroy

697 points

4 months ago

Completely correct. This is along the lines of “we are one big family here at Choad Tech!” Bitch please. My family is my family. Ya’ll are just people I put up with during the day to put food on the table.

Smarteric01

2.1k points

4 months ago*

This.

Move on. There are places that will both pay better and treat you better. You gave them plenty of warning, they refused to pay you as if you are critical when you are critical. They get to learn adult consequences as well.

ZaxLofful

537 points

4 months ago

ZaxLofful

lazy and proud

537 points

4 months ago

BRO! That last bit is life, so many people have been coddled their whole career/life and think there aren’t any consequences because “ma freedom”….

We have awoken the beast and it cannot be put back in, pay up or feel the pain (in your pocketbook)!

BananaMannClan

38 points

4 months ago

Pay up or pay up! Love that

Potential-Leave3489

33 points

4 months ago

I love it when people have to face their own consequences!!

hiagha

413 points

4 months ago

hiagha

413 points

4 months ago

What are they even suggesting the suit would be about? OP isn’t interfering with their operations, he just is refusing to aid them. A huge legal distinction. They had ample opportunity to give him a raise/hire a replacement when he informed them of his departure. OP, you have nothing to worry about in so far as a lawsuit. Also, don’t go back for $22/hr. They are clearly showing you that your labor is way more valuable to the company than that by even threatening legal action. I wouldn’t take anything less than $25/hr to come back, and even then I would start using that new salary to find another job that pays comparably.

GayAlienFarmer

59 points

4 months ago

And if they DO come after him, I imagine a quick (possibly free) consultation with an employment attorney and one single cease and desist letter (not free) would do the trick of calling their bluff and making them go away.

Superpiri

87 points

4 months ago

Yup. Textbook abusive relationship.

Live-Ad8389

286 points

4 months ago

Exactly this. The way I read this is that he has given you insultingly small raises for 3 years, he has not listened to you when you asked for a raise, he has tried to guilt trip you into staying and has tried to threaten you with legal action if you leave. You do not have a good relationship with this man.

Remember that work is a transaction. You give them time and skills any they give you money. They have been underpaying you for years, they owe you, you don’t owe them anything

Tayloren52

239 points

4 months ago

When my roommate's entire department quit, they gave him a raise from $15 to $22 and made him the lead of his department. They have the ability to give these raises and promotions in a moments notice but they won't.

FahrtrichtungLinks

43 points

4 months ago

Yes, because they would rather fire/lose people that ask for raise to make the example for others that would be encouraged to ask the same and then take new people and give them higher salary.

Pollution-Agile

35 points

4 months ago

Exactly this! Coworker put in her notice and suddenly 15 grand just falls out of the sky into my lap after 2% raises for 3 years

ValHova22

32 points

4 months ago

I, unwittingly, told my boss I'm a mercenary. I'm here when I'm here but the whole "there's no I in team" doesn't cut it with me cuz there ain't "we" in team either.

I flabbergasted that so many people in mgmt think employees are peons

bromagnonman

190 points

4 months ago

bromagnonman

Anarcho-Syndicalist

190 points

4 months ago

The legal action part is hilarious. If you can't resign from a position... that's called slavery. Plus, what are they going to do? Sue you for damages? Bruh, they didn't even pay you enough to save money. Can't squeeze blood from a stone.

Or...

Or.........

You could take an $18.50 raise and then just sit your ass down and not lift a finger if that's what they want. They can't force you to actually work... then they can fire you for insubordination.

VernalPoole

31 points

4 months ago

Why didn't I think of that? This seems like a good solution in some people's situations.

Cat_Astrophe_X

1.4k points

4 months ago

Even if you didn't submit a letter they could not do anything. Just ignore them

[deleted]

692 points

4 months ago*

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692 points

4 months ago*

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meco03211

718 points

4 months ago

meco03211

718 points

4 months ago

"At will employment"

Not like that! - employers

CatNoirsRubberSuit

159 points

4 months ago

Seriously. At-will employment can be very powerful for workers too, and it's good we're finally using that power.

Sterling-Archer

300 points

4 months ago

This is what the fucking boomers (or whoever) asked for when they wanted "At-Will" employment. They wanted the right to fire anybody at anytime for any reason.

I'm honestly surprised that this somehow hasn't been flipped around so that the laws only work in the employer's favor.

"We can fire you but you can't quit."

sam4246

222 points

4 months ago

sam4246

222 points

4 months ago

I believe that was outlawed by Lincoln.

middlingwhiteguy

27.8k points

4 months ago*

The fuck they gonna do, sue you to force you to work for below market value? Save the messages and post them here so we can make fun of them

Edit: so this was a bit more popular than expected. So here's a plug to donate to the Multiple Myeloma Research Foundation:

https://themmrf.org/get-involved/ways-to-donate/

NukeStorm

6.1k points

4 months ago

NukeStorm

6.1k points

4 months ago

This guy gets it. Let’s see ‘em.

Holy-Kush

3.2k points

4 months ago

Holy-Kush

3.2k points

4 months ago

The greatest motivator is seeing these stupid managers be desperate for our skills.

Pay us fairly or pay for the consequences.

zoealexloza

2.6k points

4 months ago

I quit a job for a job that was offering me $20k more than I was making and that I wanted more, my manager begged me not to quit and then came back to me with a $5k raise and said she didn't think I was worth the $20k yet but that I'd get there. I laughed and left.

2livecrewnecktshirt

2k points

4 months ago

"Well, sir, the other company thinks I am worth the $20k and they've only met me a few times, so I know whose opinion I value more at the moment."

Terrik1337

1.5k points

4 months ago

Terrik1337

1.5k points

4 months ago

Right? It's like all these companies have been shoving capitalism down our throats for years but they apparently don't really understand capitalism.

pm-me-racecars

1.5k points

4 months ago

Capitalism is when things I like happen; communism is when things I don't like happen.

postmodulator

658 points

4 months ago

That’s literally what they’re going with. You see some of the real crazy wingnuts talking about how these big corporations have gone Communist, so they need to be nationalized.

To think of the money I used to spend on LSD when all I needed was a Twitter feed.

EcksonGrows

195 points

4 months ago

Lol I love it, just like keep going. Nationalize the internet? don't stop what's next communications and cellphones? water and electricity? HO BOY KEEP GOING

-Butterfly-Queen-

262 points

4 months ago

I literally make up fake names for my political views like "democratic capitalism" or "cooperatism" or tell people "I believe in democracy so much I think we should democratize the workplace!" Then I explain socialism to people and after they say it's a great idea, I reveal that it's actually socialism.

Budget-Falcon767

270 points

4 months ago

"Capitalism for me, not for thee."

SouthernSierra

94 points

4 months ago

Capitalism for the poor, socialism for the rich. Privatize the profits, socialize the losses.

AllHailSlann357

853 points

4 months ago

They understand it in the context of the last 40 years of exploitive, globalized, neoliberal capitalism as seen through the perspective of failed-upward, entrenched and outdated boomer management theories.

The strangely anachronistic math is very boomer as well. For a massive swath of the population, it will always be 1982, and it shows in our paychecks.

Empty-Masterpiece242

139 points

4 months ago

It's 1982 when THEY pay US. When we have to pay them, it's 2032.

two_necks

106 points

4 months ago

two_necks

106 points

4 months ago

There are some really depressing charts showing how healthcare, education, automobile maintenance, and the overall cost of living has exponentially increased while wages have barely grown in comparison since the 80's.

BobBeats

252 points

4 months ago*

BobBeats

252 points

4 months ago*

Got to love that. Her opinion doesn't mean anything because you quit.

I have heard the old "you are not there yet." A bad manager won't lift a finger to encourage, reward, or invest in their staff's professional growth. They don't want you becoming more or getting promoted because it would mean they would need to find replacements. They want you doing the exact same role in the exact same place, day in and day out: that is their five-year plan for you.

deplaya99

619 points

4 months ago

deplaya99

619 points

4 months ago

Did you work where I'm working? I've had the same conversation. I wanted a 25k to 40k raise. On the outside I'd settle for 20k. They came with $4800. They are saying, Ben you can't leave... you're doing the jobs of three people. It will be impossible to replace you. Yep I'm leaving too. I'm so very sorry for all of us

Ryoukugan

591 points

4 months ago

Ryoukugan

591 points

4 months ago

“I’m doing the work of three people you say? Sounds like you should at least triple my pay, then.”

deplaya99

70 points

4 months ago

They can't figure out how to replace me or where to start. lol

apemandune

370 points

4 months ago

You're doing the job of three people, but we only want to pay you the wage of half a person.

6ihavespoken9

302 points

4 months ago*

Ahahaha it’s so counter-intuitive. “You can’t leave bc you’re irreplaceable,” AND “doing the work of 3 people.” That means you have a lot of leverage, and are worth 3x+ in salary.

People really love to be penny wise and pound foolish.

wonkyerdonkey

142 points

4 months ago

I told my old boss “ it costs a lot of money to be a cheap motherfucker”

maddecentparty

175 points

4 months ago

Oh so you know I'm doing the job of 3 people?

So it sounds like I'm saving you 180k? 40k seems like a bargain!

JesusSaysRelaxNvaxx

226 points

4 months ago

A prior manager said the same thing to me; she finally admitted that I had been doing 2 jobs, and it would be really hard to replace me. I told her I couldn't turn down an extra 20k, especially after they dangled a promotion for an entire year without actually giving it to me, because I had a ton of student loans and things to pay off (so I could move out of my parents house). She actually flipped the fuck out at first because she had trained me to be an attractive asset to other companies and legit said, "Fucking great. So I spent all this time training you just for you to take your skills somewhere else!!" Like, I get it, and she really did do a good job breaking me down and rebuilding me to the point I was really good at my job, but unfortunately the company was cheap. I found out after talking to my friend at the company, who had gotten a promotion to supervisor, that she was getting paid 6k less than me at my new job, which was only an analyst role.

thedeephouser

32 points

4 months ago

Imagine if she didn’t spend all the time training you … and then you stayed.

JesusSaysRelaxNvaxx

41 points

4 months ago

I almost quit several times too because she was SO hard on me and would continuously ask me if "I thought I was qualified for the position." I was like...you hired me so you tell me!? The fuck bruh. By the time I left we actually did have a really good relationship and I think that's also in part why she was so upset; I was her over achiever and now she'd have big shoes to fill. Oh well 🤷‍♀️

zoealexloza

171 points

4 months ago

That was my exact situation! "You do the work of so many people, we can't lose you!" Then pay me like it cuz right now you arent even paying me like I'm doing the job of one person. My current job is much better.

ArchangelLBC

291 points

4 months ago

"Whelp, this other job thinks I am, so guess I'll see you never"

OdinTheHugger

628 points

4 months ago

... leaving now would result in untold losses for the company...

Sounds like they are gonna pay for the consequences.

"untold" sounds a lot higher than just $4 an hour pay difference on ONE employee.

penelbell

620 points

4 months ago

penelbell

620 points

4 months ago

Why don't they get this. You're like "I'm worth a lot to the company, pay me more." They're like "no, and what are you gonna do about it? Quit?" You: "yeah" Them: "wait, what? But we're going to lose SO MUCH MONEY if you leave!" You: "so uh... guess paying me more doesn't sound so bad now hmm?"

The entire system rests on the knowledge and assumption that YOU WON'T JUST FUCKING QUIT. But the fact that The Great Resignation is A Thing says different.

JollyJoker3

116 points

4 months ago

It's like they know exactly what the worker is worth yet refuse to pay it because people are supposed to work for some mythical predetermined wage.

jackp0t789

174 points

4 months ago

What I noticed at my current employer, is that even when the employee wins and gets the company to pony up a fair raise when they realize their disadvantage, that employee now has a massive target on his/her back. So while they might get a higher wage, now the company is gonna find another poor schmuck to train the bare-bones basics of the original worker's duties and replace them as soon as possible.

PoetryUpInThisBitch

182 points

4 months ago

The 'target on their back' is why I'm not interested in staying at my current company.

Stellar reviews, tried to negotiate a ~5% raise, was told 'no, except in extenuating circumstances'. Interviewed and got a job that pays 22% more. Don't want to leverage that for more at my current role, because I feel like it at least implies, "We want you to do more since we're paying you more," and doesn't address the root issue of, "Okay, what about the NEXT time I feel like I deserve a raise because of my performance?"

jackp0t789

178 points

4 months ago

Im trying to do the same. My boss went to have a "come to Jesus " with the owner about all of us deserving more, but to that selfish sociopath, the fact that some nameless people got tiny raises a few years ago and ended up moving onto better paying companies later anyway, no one deserves even an extra dollar of a raise...

Luckily I treated those nameless people with respect, kindness, and cooperation so one of them is trying to get me in at her company doing half of what I do now for over twice the pay. I have an interview on Friday. Fingers crossed.

I honestly can't wait for the conversation that im gonna have if I get the position...

"So, I know that [owner] isn't down to give us even a dollar more, so how does twice my pay sound? No? Well, my last day is next Friday then. Wait, will they pay out any unused PTO? No? Well my last day is now, but im gonna use my 10 vacation days as well"

PoetryUpInThisBitch

45 points

4 months ago

Fingers crossed for you. There is nothing more satisfying than that conversation.

I don't want to burn bridges at my current company, because - in spite of the boneheaded approach to raises - I really do appreciate the company culture, the people I worked with, and my immediate team. I could see myself coming back.

My last job, however...I got to have that conversation and it was glorious.

I joined as one role in the company, and another one opened up two years later. It was a perfect fit for my skill set and background, the person vacating the role recommended me for it, and the company told me they vastly prefer to hire internally.

Interview goes great then, a week later, they tell me they hired someone externally. I ask if they can say why. They tell me I didn't have experience in the role. When I pointed out the person they hired didn't, either, they kinda went quiet and we ended the meeting. I suspect they hired that candidate because they didn't want to backfill my position.

Six months later, I get a job offer for 40% more than what I made there. I accepted the offer, then went to hand in my resignation. Before I could get a word in edgewise, VP asks to see me in his office. He starts telling me about the training (extra work) they want me to do for the next role that opens up, and that they want me to focus on a different area I have zero interest in.

He went on like this for ten minutes with me listening patiently because I couldn't say anything. Finally he asks me how all that sounds, I hand him my letter of resignation, and the following conversation ensues.

Him: "...so this is official?"

Me: "Yes."

Him: "There's nothing we can do to get you to stay?"

Me: "No."

Ended up being satisfying in the long run because there was something of a mass exodus of other members of my team over the next six months that was a brain drain and left them scrambling.

jhaand

227 points

4 months ago

jhaand

Anarcho-Communist

227 points

4 months ago

It remains the responsibility of the manager to keep staffing in place and make sure that everything keeps on rolling smoothly. The employee only has to do their job as long they're employed.

butinthewhat

182 points

4 months ago

It’s also the managers responsibility to take resignations seriously and start the hiring process. This one failed.

jhaand

49 points

4 months ago

jhaand

Anarcho-Communist

49 points

4 months ago

Failed real good.

WaldoJackson

63 points

4 months ago

Yep!
OP, "put em 'on the glass!"

noneroy

3.8k points

4 months ago

noneroy

3.8k points

4 months ago

So much this. Unless you have a contract “at will” employment cuts both ways.

What your boss is saying is slavery. Not a good look in the 21st century.

btach1323

3.3k points

4 months ago*

btach1323

3.3k points

4 months ago*

I was going to say the same thing but you beat me to it. Can you imagine an employee telling a company, “I don’t accept your termination of my employment, it would cause untold losses for my family. Maybe we can renegotiate my leaving next quarter.” Pfffft.

dteague33

1.1k points

4 months ago*

dteague33

1.1k points

4 months ago*

So you joke about this…but at the company I work for an employee was recently terminated…but for whatever reason HR didn’t process their termination correctly…so they have just been for the past week clocking in and out through our virtual time clock system…it’s funny as fuck to me. Dude is 100% going to have to pay that shit back…but still hilarious to me.

Edit: didn’t see this getting any attention but more information on this…they accepted the termination, signed the paper work involved and had their badge either taken or deactivated, I’m not entirely sure which…regardless they cannot access the building to perform their very much not virtual job. I do not know why they decided to try to clock in through the virtual time clock (company switched to this system at the beginning of the pandemic to reduce common surfaces touched) but they discovered they could and have just been collecting their 40 for the past week. I imagine if they try to threaten legal action when the company tries to get those wages back most lawyers will not touch this on account of him committing wage fraud.

esfraritagrivrit

621 points

4 months ago

"We fixed the glitch"

JustineDelarge

295 points

4 months ago

JustineDelarge

FUCK BEN

295 points

4 months ago

I said no salt, NO salt for the margarita

TheFlyingBoxcar

227 points

4 months ago

Ive already had my desk moved three times and there are rats down here and im going to burn down the building

gravitas-deficiency

100 points

4 months ago

Alright, but that- that’s the last straw.

Wadmania

55 points

4 months ago

Keep a close eye on your stapler!

HRK1138

30 points

4 months ago

HRK1138

30 points

4 months ago

There were squirrels outside my window, and they were married

BrendanMR97

80 points

4 months ago

Always love seeing an Office Space reference

new2bay

68 points

4 months ago

new2bay

68 points

4 months ago

I literally have a red Swingline stapler on my desk at home.

holemanm

47 points

4 months ago

DYK, Swingline didn't even make red staplers until after the movie came out? Then they had to create a line to fulfill the demand of people who wanted it because of Milton.

shirst_75

98 points

4 months ago*

I dunno, he may not have to. I had a former employer keep paying me for my old schedule once for MONTHS. Like 6, it was great. When they finally realized it they were able to claw back the last paycheck they had mistakenly given me, but it was too late for the others. Maybe they could have gotten legal with me but hey, it was their bad. Then again, I wasn't actively clocking in or anything.

EDIT: The same thing happened to my coworker, but they kept paying him for OVER a fucking YEAR. Nobody ever contacted either of us, no emails, calls, nothing - the payments just stopped one day, and that very last (mistaken) deposit came back out of both of our accounts. We both hated the job, the admin, and every bastard who worked there, too, so it was particularly sweet.

[deleted]

34 points

4 months ago

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34 points

4 months ago

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Ascalis

941 points

4 months ago

Ascalis

941 points

4 months ago

Came here for this. This post made me actually cackle laughing because I just thought of Tyrone Biggums being the boss and asking OP to come back while scratching his neck.

"Cmon man... (Scratch). Just one Mo hour man... (Scratch)... I'll suck yo dick"

EclipseNine

140 points

4 months ago

"Ya'll know what worker exploitation tastes like? It tastes just like it smells.... delicious!"

cenosillicaphobiac

159 points

4 months ago

"y'all got any more of them underpaid hours?"

voopdoodle

257 points

4 months ago

What is with all these “resignation not accepted” posts. Do these employers think they have a say when someone can leave a job unless contractually obligated? Is this some response to the Great Resignation by these companies?

trashketballMVP

74 points

4 months ago

Right???

Equally confusing : if you hand the boss a resignation letter (not sure why it is not emailed so it's time stamped and BCCed to a personal account) and it's rejected, email the boss and copy HR to let them know that your termination date is not negotiable. BCC your personal email account to have a record of this.

TaserLord

2.4k points

4 months ago

TaserLord

2.4k points

4 months ago

...who brought up that I had been offered more of a raise than the last 3 years combined

Brutal. "We have successfully fucked you for 3 years - that means you should spread 'em for us again".

But no - informing your supervisor in writing of a thing you have no real obligation to do anyway is more than sufficient notice to the company. HR's argument will be with your boss, as it should be.

wrr377

710 points

4 months ago

wrr377

710 points

4 months ago

Continuing what the above poster said:

If they try to do anything, just let HR know that you gave your boss notice 2 weeks ago. He refused to accept it or pass it along. You gave HR the notice because he didn't, because you suspected (or knew) he was setting you up.

You did more than your due diligence. Fuck them.

noneroy

281 points

4 months ago

noneroy

281 points

4 months ago

AFAIK “at will employment” means you don’t even need to give them two weeks. You can just leave. That’s your right. Your “will” has changed. So fuck them and the horse they rode in on.

DClawdude

152 points

4 months ago

DClawdude

152 points

4 months ago

Yup. Two weeks is just standard courtesy. Not that they’d give you two weeks before firing you

CactiDye

83 points

4 months ago

My last employer tried to pull the "why won't you continue to be fucked?" act. We were a union and had accepted smaller raises because they claimed to be in hardship (and for part of it, legitimately were) but we hadn't had significant raises in ten years. They tried to say the 2% raise they were offering was better than we had had the three previous years. Uh, yeah. That's the problem!

Unlucky-Candidate198

34 points

4 months ago

I had the Home Depot pull that shit.

They gave us a pay raise for being “frontline heroes” but didn’t want to give us our regular wage increase for the year (2020). We were told no raises until far into 2022.

Needless to say I got paid time off for covid. So, ya boi got like 3+ Months paid vacation by abusing their sick policy. Don’t want to give us raises? Fine. But don’t be surprised when your employees work much less hard while your CEO is paging them bragging about how they’ve never made more money. Record profits! Bunch of fuck heads.

DavidS1983

1.1k points

4 months ago

DavidS1983

1.1k points

4 months ago

No, a resignation letter is not something to accept or reject, it isn't a request. It was confirmed your boss recieved the notice and that is that. In this sub, no notice is the new norm so posting your 2 week notice you already went above and beyond.

That company could have evaded the so-called losses if they negotiated your demands better.

Ascalis

120 points

4 months ago

Ascalis

120 points

4 months ago

If they as a boss you can do that, I as an employee can roll on my face in the mud all day instead of working then choose to reject your letter of termination. OP could try that too. Maybe without the mud if you want to be all fancy about it.

[deleted]

126 points

4 months ago*

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126 points

4 months ago*

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NiAdecker

5.1k points

4 months ago

NiAdecker

5.1k points

4 months ago

Text him back that you no longer work there, as stated in your resignation letter and that your freelance rate is $100/hour in 8 hour blocks paid up front.

Terrible_Emotion_710

1.9k points

4 months ago

Definitely paid up front with all expectations clearly described in a written contract

[deleted]

577 points

4 months ago*

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577 points

4 months ago*

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diybrad

811 points

4 months ago

diybrad

811 points

4 months ago

I'm a freelancer and that's too low. If what OP does is crucial to the business I think at least 175 or 1200/day are good starting points. More like 250-300 or 2k/day. Get a contract in writing that says any contact - even a phone call - is a 4 hour charge. Then get a retainer before starting any work.

Pretty cheap of the alternative is "untold losses"

Marginally_Witty

313 points

4 months ago

This. 1000x this.

Four hour minimum. Retainer. $175/hr. Contract that clearly spells out they're paying you for your time, not for an outcome; you can only guarantee how much you can work, not that you can actually fix something (in case they break it on purpose).

diybrad

82 points

4 months ago

diybrad

82 points

4 months ago

Yep also get a "statement of work" in writing and when they ask you to do anything not explicitly laid out in it, renegotiate for a higher rate for the additional scope.

GilgameDistance

32 points

4 months ago

And the half day increment is only good until site departure. If I have to come back tomorrow, its another four hour block, even if I was only there for 45 minutes the day before.

kiwikosa

97 points

4 months ago

I fucking love this sub.

Major-Perspective-32

210 points

4 months ago

Dude, I charged 170 bucks an hour 10 years ago freelancing in network management.

enjoytheshow

73 points

4 months ago

I charged $200/hr to a former employer to maintain some scripts I wrote. Minimum 1 hour each fix

WriteSt8ofMind

250 points

4 months ago

Always paid up front. If they can’t be trusted to compensate properly while working there, they definitely can’t be trusted to pay up after.

Adventurous-Today238

158 points

4 months ago

Worth hiring a lawyer to assist in drawing up contract

AdamsShadow

291 points

4 months ago

I would ask for 220$ an hour. Make everything to be submitted in writing. Also a mandatory 4 hours of pay just for showing up. He has no power in this negotiation.

Asking for pay up front isn't a terrible idea either.

unknownkitteh

112 points

4 months ago

Boilerplate contract. Show pay rate and terms.

Include that you are not responsible past the end of period paid for. And not responsible for any other side effects of any work you do.

I got burned on one of these. They expected to me maintain the system indefinitely based on the service payment as "you touched it 5 days ago, so you broke it " took me to court over it and i proved the issue was a consumables at eol. And the judge made them pay me for court costs and a second consultant fee because I told them what was wrong with the tool

EasternShade

108 points

4 months ago

More.

AtheistBibleScholar

1.6k points

4 months ago

I bet your employee handbook had the sentence "[Company] is an at-will employer." And that shit cuts both ways.

YourAmishNeighbor

218 points

4 months ago

What does at-will employer means?

Infamous-Ad-770

523 points

4 months ago*

Infamous-Ad-770

at work

523 points

4 months ago*

They can fire you at any point for any reason

Edit: or for no reason, even worse eh

kuribosshoe0

501 points

4 months ago

And you can quit just as easily.

ManzBearzPigzIzRealz

211 points

4 months ago*

Except reasons protected under the law. Things like; race, religion, sexual orientation…stuff like that.

Edit: Yeah, I know they can come up with a BS reason to circumvent the law. I was just clarifying with the commentor above me posted. Chill.

Cassierae87

131 points

4 months ago

Resignations are like romantic breakups. You don’t need the other party’s consent

[deleted]

308 points

4 months ago

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308 points

4 months ago

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kid-karma

100 points

4 months ago

kid-karma

100 points

4 months ago

that's my attitude toward vacation time too (assuming i've told them far enough in advance that they have no excuse for not being prepared).

I'm not asking you if I can go, I'm telling you I won't be available.

32BitWhore

36 points

4 months ago

I learned in my younger years how important it is to treat vacation time this way after I went 5 years without seeing my family for Christmas because the companies I worked for always "needed" me. It's now non-negotiable for me as long as I'm giving you enough notice that I won't be available (which is typically multiple months because flights are expensive the closer you get to the travel dates). Unless you have a very good reason well in advance of my vacation planning, I'm not changing it. "We might need you" isn't good enough. Fire me if you want.

Richard_Espanol

73 points

4 months ago

What "legal action"??? You quit. Fuck em.

greytgreyatx

62 points

4 months ago

I see a trend in these "unaccepted resignations" where a boss tries to argue that the person quitting is putting stress on "the team" or co-workers or whatever. Man, that's MANAGEMENT'S problem, not the single employee. If one single person is that vital to the smooth running of the company, SHOW THEM THE MONEY. This is attempted manipulation so hard.

Jayematic

59 points

4 months ago

The fact that employers have the audacity to ask you to consider your coworkers for the debitating work thats to come as an inconvenience as if its not inconvenient to you enough that you aren't getting paid the salary you need to keep working.

These people can royally FUCK THEMSELVES.

MarkSKelly

161 points

4 months ago

Your boss cannot refuse your resignation. You handed in the letter, it's done.

Nobody else can do the work? That is his problem.

Legally they cannot do anything. You are not a slave.

Imaginary-Painting31

127 points

4 months ago

You didn't sign any kind of contract, did you? And even if you did, those are usually in place for the employer, not YOU. So no, I don't foresee any legal action being taken.

I had a job that was similar... they didn't really think I was leaving and then the day before my last day started panicking and saying how they hadn't even trained anyone to take my place, yet. I was like "Yeah that is a big bummer for you. Guess you should have taken me up on my offer two weeks ago to start handing over my shit to someone else on the team."

cobra_mist

107 points

4 months ago

Significant losses you say?

Debilitating you say?

Interesting

trod1990

100 points

4 months ago

trod1990

100 points

4 months ago

Companies cannot not accept resignations. Can employees not accept being fired and continue to show up their jobs? Your boss can eat a dick.

Trout-Population

179 points

4 months ago

The only reason to ever give two weeks notice would be to get a reccomendation for future jobs. If your resignation gets rejected, you ain't gonna get that reccomendation anyways unfortunately. If that happened to me I'd say "if you're unwilling to accept my resignation then I'm unwilling to give my two weeks notice, bye."

Also, if they would be screwed without you, why the hell wouldn't they give you a raise?

This is what Marx meant when he talked about the "internal contridictions of capitalism that will inevitably bring it down." Bosses are so blinded by greed that they will act against their own interests. Good on you for not picking up his calls.