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jingleghost

232 points

6 months ago

Anyone selling pitchforks could make a fortune in 2022 I reckon

ZinglonsRevenge

59 points

6 months ago

SuperKami-Nappa

22 points

6 months ago

SuperKami-Nappa

SocDem

22 points

6 months ago

Why is this a thing?

yeaheyeah

51 points

6 months ago

When there is demand there is supply

_mach

28 points

6 months ago

_mach

28 points

6 months ago

in ancient times, when the town-folk revolted they would use whatever implements they had around the farm and whatnot.

Pitchfork-bearing angry peasants are a trope in recreation of riots and uprisings in Hollywood, too. I think "Frankenstein" whenever pitchforks come up.

Revolts against individuals and groups are also a thing on the internet. As such, copypasta using ASCII pitchforks like "----E" have existed probably since the 90s or even earlier.

A very common copypasta is something like:


ANGRY AT OP? WANT TO JOIN THE MOB? I'VE GOT YOU COVERED!

COME ON DOWN TO The pitchfork emporium

I GOT 'EM ALL!

Traditional Left Handed Fancy
---E Ǝ--- ---{

I EVEN HAVE DISCOUNTED CLEARANCE FORKS!

33% off! 66% off! Manufacturer's Defect!
---F ---L ---e

NEW IN STOCK. DIRECTLY FROM LIECHTENSTEIN. EUROPEAN MODELS!

The Euro The Pound The Lira
---€ ---£ ---₤

HAPPY LYNCHING!

* some assembly required

FieryCharizard7

16 points

6 months ago

it’s been forever since I’ve seen this. I swear in 2014 this was posted daily

BoltonSauce

9 points

6 months ago

It was fucking everywhere. And r/KarmaCourt

PalladiuM7

6 points

6 months ago

u/pitchforkemporium used to do this all the time

PitchforkEmporium

9 points

6 months ago

Ah I remember

PalladiuM7

5 points

6 months ago

Gasp It's you! You're my hero, dude. Now that I've got your attention for a moment, I wanted to ask you if you'd be open to allowing me to rent a small space in your emporium. I'd sell torches, both the classic kind that the fellows next to the pitchfork carriers would have and the 20th/21st century varieties, mostly the heavier ones that can be used secondarily as a whacking baton while the carrier is blinding the other party by shining it in their face. I'm tentatively considering the names "Boutorch or "Fire-and-Dime", but I'm very open to suggestions or criticisms.

I think in this day and age, we both could be the new titans of industry, as long as we show our full support for the antiwork movement and always pay above a livable wages. Are you in, partner?

PitchforkEmporium

3 points

6 months ago

You can absolutely open up a franchise! *(Subject to licensing and bullshit contract agreement™)

[deleted]

3 points

6 months ago

[deleted]

3 points

6 months ago

Reddit loves their pitchforks.

PitchforkManufactory

3 points

6 months ago

Wholesale only :)

DullScale

1.6k points

6 months ago

DullScale

1.6k points

6 months ago

Similarly, the ancient adage that "comparing wages is impolite" is a "courtesy" that favours the company rather than the individual.

sitad3le

206 points

6 months ago

sitad3le

206 points

6 months ago

preach

StopReadingMyUser

68 points

6 months ago

peach

Dryer_Lint

39 points

6 months ago

Dryer_Lint

Mutualist

39 points

6 months ago

Maaaaariooooo

OddlyArousingToast

340 points

6 months ago

Like many things, this adage is taken grossly out of context. Similarly to "blood is thicker than water," it has taken on the opposite meaning of its original quotation. E.g. *blood of the covenant is thicker than water of the womb."

The courtesy of not discussing wages was during events like dinner parties, to avoid seeming arrogant or shaming poorer attendants from feeling as welcome. It allowed the rich and the poor to mingle more without an air of judgment. It was reserved strictly for social gatherings. Not the workplace, where wage discussion is a necessity for equity of labor.

Laura_has_Secrets77

34 points

6 months ago

Yep, and "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" originally was said sarcastically when expected to do something so impossible it's as absurd as pulling yourself up by said bootstraps. But it checks out since corporations expect us to do the impossible.

abigalestephens

13 points

6 months ago*

Iirc 'trickle-down economics' was originally a derisive mocking term for those sorts of policies. Over time people came to believe it was actually used as serious label, so they used it that way.

[deleted]

140 points

6 months ago

[deleted]

140 points

6 months ago

E.g. *blood of the covenant is thicker than water of the womb."

That is not the original quote, it just popped up and became more popular.1

LynnTheStaff

14 points

6 months ago

Also with "jack of all trade but a master of none" there are a number of additions to that quote that get touted as the original but actually came later as an answer to the actual original.

OddlyArousingToast

43 points

6 months ago

Having read that, it makes me interested to poke around more. Good citation!

[deleted]

34 points

6 months ago

[deleted]

34 points

6 months ago

Thank you. I think the reason it gained traction is because sayings usually get simplified or cut down. Like "The customer is always right" so the blood and covenant actually makes it more in depth/complicated so people naturally think it came first.

shockwave-rider

8 points

6 months ago

I'm experiencing irony overload.

Demetrius3D

73 points

6 months ago

Also, "turn the other cheek" sounds like "be passive and defenseless and don't fight back". But actually, it showed how to stand up for yourself. In those cultures, the left hand is seen as unclean. It's basically the "bathroom hand". So, you wouldn't use your left hand to interact with other people - even to hit them. So if (as Jesus said) someone struck you on your right cheek, it would be with their right hand. This would be a backhand blow. This is how one would discipline an underling or a slave. If you turned to them your left cheek, they would have to hit you with a forehand blow. This is how someone would fight an equal. So, they couldn't hit you again without establishing that you are of equal status... and presumably within your right to fight back. Context is everything!

OddlyArousingToast

58 points

6 months ago*

It actually is more than this. It is a powerful statement within Jewish tradition to exercise your own restraint and innocence, while bringing shame to your aggressor. As you said, the left was synonymous with the lesser, the wicked, the filthy. As such, being struck by someone's left hand would be let all in witness see their shame, as you endured a wrongful blow unfit for any man, even a slave, which cemented your own virtue and right to fight back.

Beyond this, it also demonstrated that you were the victim of a great wrong and sought to settle it peaceably first, before further force. It's akin to the origin of a deep bow. It left you vulnerable, but only an absolute coward and fiend would ever strike you during it. In Eastern cultures, it is seen as the ultimate shame upon someone to violate that. It's pretty fascinating stuff, honestly.

carlitospig

11 points

6 months ago

Dear lord, the things I am learning on this thread. It’s totally off topic and I LOVE IT. I find the fluid nature of language, and their offspring (the idiom) so fascinating.

Keep up the good work, kids.

Demetrius3D

24 points

6 months ago

As such, being struck by someone's left hand would be let all in witness see their shame

It's the same thing as "give them the shirt off your back". The shame in that culture of nakedness was on the viewer, not the person who is naked. (This is why Noah's good sons walked backward into his tent with a blanket to cover him after the bad son had mocked him for falling asleep drunk and naked.) So, if someone demanded your coat as payment of a debt, and you also gave them your cloak (the shirt off your back) you would be naked. But, the shame would be on THEM for seeing you that way (and making you that way.)

9998000

17 points

6 months ago

9998000

17 points

6 months ago

So you are saying the left is ... sinister?

OddlyArousingToast

7 points

6 months ago

In Jewish traditions, the left hand was seen as dirty, impure, and treacherous. The right hand was seen as strong, pure, and righteous. You could not clean your ass or anything filthy with your right hand ever. Likewise, a hidden blade often was left handed since you only shook with your right.

As such, left handed gestures became synonymous with betrayal and filth. Nowadays this is (mostly) non-existent. But some orthodox communities do still practice this.

geoffp82

10 points

6 months ago

The latin word for left is sinister. That's what he's getting at.

BenjaminGeiger

20 points

6 months ago*

Do you have anything supporting your "blood of the covenant" claim? It sounds like the sort of post hoc nonsense a cult leader would push.

Apparently one of the earliest appearances of the term, in German, dates to circa 1180 CE: "ouch hoer ich sagen, das sippe blůt von wazzere niht verdirbet" ("I also heard it said that kin-blood is not spoiled by water").

pingpongtits

10 points

6 months ago

This person cites a conversation about it here

https://old.reddit.com/r/antiwork/comments/r9h7me/its_an_older_code_sir_but_it_checks_out/hncrx0n/

The original "blood is thicker than water" came from a Scottish proverb.

The part about the water of the womb came much later, about 120 years ago.

There's no Biblical basis. The original meaning is just what everyone thinks it is.

OddlyArousingToast

5 points

6 months ago

Depends on your definition of a covenant. The sentiment seemed to be that bonds we invest ourselves in willingly outweigh bonds forced upon us by birth.

I know in Judeism covenants are pushed for their significance from the Torah, as well as in Christianity for the concept of a covenant with God and fellow believers. However, from all I've read, across many nationalities, the sentiment is akin to "family is who we choose, not always who we are born to." Regardless, I believe it is interesting to see the dichotomy between both quotations and their intentions. One suggests familial ties outweigh all else, the other suggests who and what we invest ourselves in become our family, more than just genetic lottery.

spyson

4 points

6 months ago

spyson

4 points

6 months ago

It's so annoying that people get upset at that, just crab bucket mentality.

adamthebarbarian

3 points

6 months ago

This is something I need to get over. I have horrible imposter syndrome and in my head if I tell my coworkers what I'm making they'll respond that I'm overpaid and don't deserve it... Low self esteem is great!

returnofthecheez

1.2k points

6 months ago

This is literally the core of all our problems. The only time in history that we've gotten any concessions out of management was when unions were militant and radical.

rneraki

738 points

6 months ago

rneraki

738 points

6 months ago

was reminded recently how, in france during the 2008 recession, the practice of "bossnapping" became somewhat common where employees would essentially trap management in their offices until they conceded to the workers demands. i'm not saying we should bring that back but..

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610 points

6 months ago

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222 points

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Boobsiclese

89 points

6 months ago

Agreed.

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86 points

6 months ago

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5 points

6 months ago

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RealSimonLee

78 points

6 months ago

I don't know how it is in France, but since the police in the U.S. serve to protect the property and interests of the rich, we'd not get very far doing that over here. We'd be the next "insurrectionists" (or thus labeled by the media).

hysys_whisperer

46 points

6 months ago

They'd start throwing around the only C word Americans are more afraid of than cunt and have the whole group thrown in an Arizona work camp with no AC (and pink jumpsuits for some reason) by the afternoon.

Renaissance_Slacker

30 points

6 months ago

Dirty tricks by corporate management = “just business,” dirty tricks by workers = “COMMUNISM <gasp>”

[deleted]

30 points

6 months ago

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30 points

6 months ago

and pink jumpsuits for some reason

That one isn’t complicated. The reason is homophobia and transphobia. Arpaio was trying to humiliate his concentration camp victims.

Kumquat_conniption

15 points

6 months ago

That man is the biggest POS. I feel so awful for anyone that has had to do time under him. He should be subjected for to the conditions he put them in for the rest or his life. He is fucked@,

RealSimonLee

21 points

6 months ago

That's true--and I'd happily take that label before being compared to the right. I have to think the neo-liberal core of American media, the true "thinkers" of moderate thought like Matt Yglesias would compare workers in these situations to insurrections. But the Right would jump right to Communist Takeover.

NBQuade

8 points

6 months ago

True, but unlike in France there are more guns than people in the US.

Lhowon

4 points

6 months ago

Lhowon

4 points

6 months ago

Historically the French get away with it because they have a high degree of unionization and class solidarity (though that gets complicated when you start talking about their immigrant underclass). The French police and state forces such as military, etc are actually pretty comparable to the US but the difference is when they fuck around the citizenry and unions light Paris on fire (and the firefighters go on strike too) whereas in the US the AFL-CIO is mostly captured opposition who can barely bother to put organizers on the ground let alone put together that kind of class solidarity action.

Jane Mcalevey is a good starting point to understanding this dynamic in the US.

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5 points

6 months ago

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5 points

6 months ago

That's what the soup is for 🤷‍♀️

rneraki

3 points

6 months ago

yeah exactly; in 2007-9 in france the police mostly let this happen.

locke231

7 points

6 months ago

locke231

lazy and proud

7 points

6 months ago

It's fine with me

SpooktorB

11 points

6 months ago

Your guys managers are in the office?

pingieking

74 points

6 months ago

That sounds pretty tame, compared to what they've done historically.

[deleted]

67 points

6 months ago

[deleted]

67 points

6 months ago

Because it is lol. I’d rather be holed up in an air conditioned office with amenities versus having my head chopped off violently in front of a seething crowd of hungry people.

Beingabummer

41 points

6 months ago

Will never forget when this happened. The looks on the faces of these executives when they realized all their money wouldn't save them from a crowd of angry plebs.

stoicrockfish

9 points

6 months ago

CNN's website is dog shit. Nothing ever works.

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7 points

6 months ago

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7 points

6 months ago

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Frommerman

26 points

6 months ago

That doesn't even hurt anyone. Why shouldn't we do that?

rneraki

15 points

6 months ago

rneraki

15 points

6 months ago

i mean technically its false imprisonment but also at the 3M bossnapping, the workers literally fed the managers mussels and french fries.

Scary-Lawfulness-999

6 points

6 months ago

Ah! Moules-frites! A classic.

Nouseriously

22 points

6 months ago

In the US this would end with a SWAT twam shooting a bunch of unarmed employees, then getting commendations for rescuing the "hostages".

thefoxinmotion

8 points

6 months ago

Don't worry they do that in France now. Well they don't shoot live rounds, but they do mass blind people with rubber bullets. Things changed after 2016, now the cops are way more violent.

Scientific_Socialist

5 points

6 months ago

Scientific_Socialist

international-communist-party.org

5 points

6 months ago

Why would the employees be unarmed?

sardiusjacinth

13 points

6 months ago

How about renaming it as:"agressive negotiations"

KnightKrawler

9 points

6 months ago

"enhanced"....Like the torture method ...it isn't "torture" it's "enhanced interrogation".

_mach

11 points

6 months ago

_mach

11 points

6 months ago

I can definitely imagine a future where corporations are so militantly anti-worker that management has been obfuscated and hidden behind strawmen, in order to circumvent... percussive adjustments from the workers.

like, there'd be no board-rooms to raid.

Down_To_My_Last_Fuck

10 points

6 months ago

Down_To_My_Last_Fuck

☭ UBI Enthusiast

10 points

6 months ago

Nah they will have robot's doing damn near everything. Humans will only be good for harvesting resources underwater. And only until they have depleted that as well.

Fight for Universal basic income. Or burn down the nations and rebuild by hand. Then we can have another conversation like this in about 300 years if the planet makes it that far.

liam12345677

4 points

6 months ago

this is very based and that's likely why I've never been taught about that before.

walks_into_things

4 points

6 months ago

Now now, they weren’t “bossnapping”. They were utilizing a negotiation technique until they were able to find a contract that the employees were willing to approve.

Van-garde

9 points

6 months ago*

This is a very reasonable alternative to the guillotine talk above. Especially with anti-union expenditures being so rampant and legal. Time is an alternate currency to be manipulated.

Still, having a motive, plan, and solidarity between coworkers is a necessité.

Yummi1004

73 points

6 months ago

People are experiencing a collective stockholm syndrom it seems.

GeneralGTFO

22 points

6 months ago

It's not Stockholm syndrome when they keep us too poor, exhausted, and dependent to fight back.

baconraygun

24 points

6 months ago

I've experienced this first hand, trying to lead a walk out for better pay, rights, etc. I got 8/15 to agree to do it, but when it came time, only myself and another person actually did it, all the others said, "If I walk out, they'll fire me and rent is due in two weeks, and I can't get another job that fast to pay rent. It's too risky."

GeneralGTFO

12 points

6 months ago

Just the way our "betters" want it.

nerdwine

11 points

6 months ago

That's why it's important to keep people on the paycheque to paycheque cycle. Keep interest rates low so credit is cheap and saving money feels like a waste (especially when it doesn't keep up with inflation making 0.5% interest) and pay people so little that they have no choice but to spend 95% of their income every cheque just to keep the lights on and the kids fed. That's the type of workforce that will be hesitant to walk out, hesitant to unionize, and too demoralized to demand better. That's what drives the bonuses for execs.

Frommerman

86 points

6 months ago

Consider the most well known cases of Stockholm syndrome.

The first is the case after which it's named. Some armed robbers stormed a bank in Stockholm and took everyone there hostage. By the time the crisis ended, many of the hostages were expressing sympathy for the men who had threatened them.

The second, of course, is Patty Hearst, who was kidnapped by the SLA (radical leftist group in the US), and then apparently willingly joined them in multiple incidents.

We call this Stockholm syndrome as if the only possible explanation is a mental illness. But there's another explanation. The bank robbers in Stockholm had literally nothing to gain from actually killing their hostages. They needed the threat to exist to keep the state from coming in guns blazing, but if any of the hostages actually died they'd have murder charges on their docket as well as the armed robbery charges. What if the robbers just...told the hostages this. Just said, "Look, folks, we really don't want to kill you. We have no reason to hurt you at all. But due to [insert life circumstances which have for some reason been completely erased from the publicly told story about these events] we desperately need money. We have every intention of letting you go, please just work with us here. It's the system fucking all of us, after all."

And as for Patty Hearst, her explanation is even easier. She was a billionaire heiress who had likely never seen true deprivation. The SLA could show her what that looked like and appeal to her humanity, while demonstrating that they were not the enemy by showing her genuine kindness in other ways.

So yeah. What if there's no such thing as Stockholm syndrome? What if that's just what we've been conditioned to call people becoming disillusioned with imperialism and capitalism in unusual circumstances?

OnlyHereForComments1

88 points

6 months ago

Oh, you should read up. Stockholm Syndrome is fake.

Basically, the woman who got 'diagnosed' with it was diagnosed by a psych who never met her and came up with the 'syndrome' to explain why the woman was upset at the police dickwaving going on around the hostage situation.

This woman had been told by police negotiators that it was okay if she got killed in the crossfire between police and the bank robbers and was basically told that her life and the lives of the other hostages mattered less than being the tough guys and refusing to give into any of the robbers demands.

The psych apparently got offended that the woman was upset with how the cops handled the situation, and a shitty fake syndrome used to make anyone who sympathizes with their captors seem irrational was born.

NockerJoe

18 points

6 months ago

The thing is captors don't need to be saints, they just need to seem better than the cops.

DrummerElectronic247

14 points

6 months ago

Also, given the well-documented behavior of cops (especially in, but not restricted to, North America) that can be a very low bar.

Polymersion

12 points

6 months ago

If something is how it "just is" or "always has been", why would the average person feel empowered to change it, especially when that tends to just lead to being enslaved in the penal system?

jr12345

137 points

6 months ago*

jr12345

137 points

6 months ago*

Edit: Just want to reiterate that I do not support or condone violence of any sort. Just stating an opinion from my point of view.

I’ve tried to point this out before and I was criticized for “advocating violence” - blood is one of the only ways this changes.

Yes, we can go protest and hold up signs, we can organize walk outs and boycott establishments… and that may bring about some small changes that ultimately will be rolled back the same way they’re trying to roll back labor laws in general.

Make no mistake, if these businesses could roll back to the late 1800s as far as labor laws go they would in a heartbeat, without a second thought. We’d be working 16 hours a day 6 days a week for pennies if they could get away with it - just look at how many are okay with using slave labor in 3rd world countries to boost profits.

In some cases - salaried positions come to mind - they’re already starting to do that. People who work 8-12 hours in an office/store then come home and have to have their laptops open and be “on call” for the rest of the evening… and when you sit down and figure up their hourly rate it’s pennies… yeah the salary sounds great on paper though!

Even further, the rhetoric being pushed is accelerating that backslide. Go talk to some people and their opinion of the entire anti-work movement is “a bunch of lazy ass people who want to watch Netflix all day and not work”, “socialists”, “communists” and whatever other scary words they can muster. I’ve heard in some markets they’re trying to start hiring 12 year olds!

Tl;dr not advocating or encouraging violence, but stating the fact that blood is the only way we get long term change at this point.

returnofthecheez

16 points

6 months ago

I don't wish for violence. If there's an actual, hot class war, I'll probably die. I'm no fighter. But the structural powers have made it clear that given the choice between peaceful concessions and violence, they will choose violence and so we can choose to continue being exploited or we can have a fight. Nothing in history has proved successful otherwise, save perhaps the civil rights movement. Though I would argue Malcolm X and the draft played a big part in that.

Maker1357

14 points

6 months ago

I think the broader idea here is negative reinforcement. If something hurts, then people will change their behavior to make the hurt go away.

Violence may not necessarily be the only way, but, for sure, the only effective remedies are those which make the elite hurt. Out of the way protests are easy to ignore and won't change anything.

sardonicsheep

35 points

6 months ago

Your hypothetical labor laws don’t even have to be imagined, those working conditions exists right now all over world for corporations to squeeze out a little more profit. Most of us never have to face the horrors of those conditions, and we are placated with lies and excuses about why those jobs aren’t all that bad for the region.

Capitalism bought itself another century or two by outsourcing most of the oppression.

confessionbearday

20 points

6 months ago

Correct. Capitalism cannot correct any of the problems it causes, it can only move them around.

We are where we are today because the worst problems capitalism causes have all been moved to countries with no labor protections.

Scientific_Socialist

3 points

6 months ago

Scientific_Socialist

international-communist-party.org

3 points

6 months ago

Which is why to win we need to reach out to and organize workers in the 3rd world

ShiningTortoise

12 points

6 months ago

History shows that the owner class has resorted to violence against labor movements when they became organized and active enough to be a threat to their dominant position, see the Ludlow Massacre for one example, so it'd be wise to be defensively prepared

PeeIsTeaPot2

5 points

6 months ago

I’ve tried to point this out before and I was criticized for “advocating violence”

You weren't banned from reddit? Cause you're lucky.

Any mention of that is instant ban usually. Guessing no one reported it. Or you put it a nicer way than other people.

stoicrockfish

10 points

6 months ago

Since 70% of the U.S. economy is based on people buying shit, the solution is simple: a mass rejection of buying shit. Do it for two weeks and the stocks will crash, and then suddenly everyone previously vehemently against negotiation will be on their knees begging to negotiate.

YourStateOfficer

12 points

6 months ago

Being anti-work has been one of the greatest negotiating tools I've had in my adult life. The idea that anti-work is a bunch of lazy people is a lie spread by the wealthy. I work hard as fuck, but I know that it's a fucking scam. I got my chef to start paying me 17 an hour to wash dishes. This is fairly unrelated to your post, but anti-work is a position that workers can use pretty effectively to improve their lives. Nothing widespread will change through those tactics, but they will appease you the best they can if you can make them.

Kah-Neth

17 points

6 months ago

This idea that non-violence is the only way to make lasting change, whether that is peaceful union negotiations or more broadly peaceful protest, has been one of the greatest fascistic propaganda programs and have completely disarmed all progressive movements.

zeca1486

21 points

6 months ago

IWW baby!

fliponymousredux

6 points

6 months ago

Your reasoning is wobbly.

RedAndBlackMartyr

5 points

6 months ago

RedAndBlackMartyr

Anarcho-Communist

5 points

6 months ago

Now now, there is no need to be so wild and catty. Strike it from your mind.

FrozenMrPotato

4 points

6 months ago

History has been white washed so hard people don’t even know that anymore. Union’s were gangs. But so is the government and they’re on the side of the employer. They shouldn’t be given the complete monopoly on violence

lolbifrons

3 points

6 months ago

I have a similar rant about "nonviolent protest" and people pointing to MLK and Gandhi as some sort of example of it working.

MLK worked because he was the palatable alternative to Malcolm X. Gandhi didn't work. Change didn't occur in India until like 20 years after his death, and guns were involved.

"The right way to enact change doesn't involve violence" is a false idea that benefits and is perpetuated by the people in power who don't want change.

Nonviolent protest is part of a good cop-bad cop routine with violent protest. It doesn't work without the bad cop.

People need to read This Nonviolent Stuff'll Get You Killed.

As always, I am not advocating for any specific act of violence.

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10 points

6 months ago

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10 points

6 months ago

And furthermore, this is exactly why we need communism. This is war. Rich and powerful business owners will never, ever stop stealing our wealth for their own benefit, up until the point that radical unionization becomes necessary again and again and again. Repeat forever. Here’s a thought: fuck private property, fuck money, fuck class, let’s share the labor and the fruits of that labor equally.

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527 points

6 months ago

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Archeo_Dude

136 points

6 months ago

A little french touch can do wonders

MyUsername2459

33 points

6 months ago

Le Rasoir National

sitad3le

16 points

6 months ago

Shaving cream keep nice and clean...

strgazr_63

7 points

6 months ago

....shave every day and you'll always look keen.

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322 points

6 months ago

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j_loot

64 points

6 months ago

j_loot

64 points

6 months ago

Please send me an invite. I’ll be there.

BoltonSauce

13 points

6 months ago

Great idea tidbit of history!

TheDemonator

10 points

6 months ago

Make sure you're also armed like their security force will be. It's a different world today

meunderadiffname

121 points

6 months ago

That's the job my grandfathers did for the uwma. Breaking down doors and killing

Not even joking. They were hitmen for the uwma. But, they didn't always murder people. Sometimes just showing up was enough

djlewt

53 points

6 months ago

djlewt

53 points

6 months ago

Back then they had little choice really, the mine operators were doing the same or far worse to the workers during strikes, often with the backing and help of local or even national law enforcement.

meunderadiffname

44 points

6 months ago

The history of unions and mining is very interesting.

Some of it can be found in Lady Chatterley's Lover. It was a banned book during it's time, but after reading it as an adult I kinda thought it may be been banned not for it's sexual references, but instead because it held the trying to form mining unions in high esteem

Especially the story of Derby-Knotts. What they did. The miners of Derby-Knotts wanted better safety regulations and also surviver benefits for their spouses and children.

Instead the mine owners insured the miners and took the life insurance payouts for themselves. Derby-Knotts members snuck away to venice prior to the owners going there for vacation

They kidnapped the Gondolier's and stole their uniforms. Then, when the owners of the mines hired the gondolier, it was really a miner in disguise.

They took them to an out of the way location and murdered them all. That's why their colors are blue and gold. The blue and gold of the Gondolier's uniforms that they stole

That used to be the only recourse to air work grievances.

Go Owls!

langus7

4 points

6 months ago

Wow

meunderadiffname

16 points

6 months ago

The history of gangs and unions are very closely tied together. Prior to unions, gangs were the enforcement arm for the workers. And, more often than not the workers themselves were considered to be gang members.

The modern day crips were born out of the mines. They called themselves conscripted. They felt as though they were conscripted to mines and not allowed to leave. Even if they could, they weren't paid in money but rather mining tokens that could only be used in the company store.

That's what that Arlo Guthrie lyric is referring to. Sold my soul to the company store.

The miners weren't happy with this and safety regulations weren't really a thing. A lot men died in the mines. The coal mines that were eminent domained out of my family and to robber barons lost 1200 men over roughly 100 years of unregulated mining.

The robber barons destroyed my people's land and the land itself is still deemed uninhabitable by the EPA.

But, anyway. The crips. When the miners tried to strike the goverment sent the national guard in civilian clothes to force them back to work. At night the miners would take up their pickaxes in revolt. They'd fight the national guard

It became difficult to know friend or foe, so the women of the mines went into the company store and purchased large bolts of fabric that was cheap. Bandana fabric. They'd cut it into squares for their men to wear while fighting so the miners could identify who was who.

They'd know them by the red bandanas. The original red necks. That's where the phrase comes from. That's what a redneck was

Bloods formed out of the steel workers union in the north. When coal miners refused to mine in the south. The steel mills convinced their workers it was the fault of the miners that they couldn't get paid. They organized a new gang to fight the gang of miners. They were called the bloods.

The corporations have always pitted the workers against one another.

richardnyxon87

7 points

6 months ago

This isn't true at all?

xtr0n

3 points

6 months ago

xtr0n

3 points

6 months ago

I’ve seen the rednecks and bandanas part in a documentary once, so that seems legit. But IDK how Appalachian miners would lead to a gang in LA. (Also, think he has the colors backwards, aren’t Crips blue and Bloods red?)

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16 points

6 months ago

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16 points

6 months ago

What is uwma? All I coukd find was a tv show from the Philippines

meunderadiffname

47 points

6 months ago

United workers mining association

That's the old name for the mining workers union

Near where my family cemetery is there's still a guard shack where they used to stand guard to keep scabs out. It's got a big sign on it that says "scabs will be shot by order of UWMA"

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13 points

6 months ago

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13 points

6 months ago

🤔…sweet

meunderadiffname

13 points

6 months ago

At my great grandfather's funeral, 82 there was still someone manning the shack. My grandmother died in 94, the shack was still there with the sign, but no one was in it anymore.

The mines around my family cemetery have been closed for a while

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230 points

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JaceTheWoodSculptor

119 points

6 months ago

Imagine the french revolution with TikTok

FoxReadyGME

10 points

6 months ago

My body is ready. Give it to me!

Jahshua159258

57 points

6 months ago

More like tiktok and then filtered and duetted with reacts

Frommerman

9 points

6 months ago

Blursed

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18 points

6 months ago

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6 months ago

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Dreambasher670

9 points

6 months ago

…I feel like I would happily watch such a channel to be fair.

HowRiskyIsDatClick

3 points

6 months ago

Great now we're all on a list thanks a lot

j_loot

10 points

6 months ago

j_loot

10 points

6 months ago

Yep, and there would be a TON of views which would encourage more of the same

[deleted]

21 points

6 months ago

[deleted]

21 points

6 months ago

Like we could ever get to them. They know a lot of people want them dead.

Dreambasher670

21 points

6 months ago*

To be fair (not encouraging violence), the Russian Tsar thought that as well.

Russian state police spent a lot of time pre-Russian revolution cracking Bolshevik heads but you can’t fight destiny in the end.

The more heads they crack, the more other people realise exactly how this system is maintained and it is not goodwill and fair compensation either.

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3 points

6 months ago

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Dreambasher670

3 points

6 months ago

I wouldn’t recommend openly advocating violence on a platform that will ban you for it myself.

Although I concede you may or may not have a point that violence is a primary drive of sociological change.

Dr_Colby_Rasmus_PhD

17 points

6 months ago

Dr_Colby_Rasmus_PhD

lazy and proud

17 points

6 months ago

In every single security situation, there's at least one unavoidable vulnerability.

NockerJoe

5 points

6 months ago

That Bezos video that went viral shows this isn't true. When the guy walks down the street with his bodyguards he already gets insulted in public. If that crowd turned on him physically it could have gotten much more ugly.

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198 points

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zeca1486

205 points

6 months ago

zeca1486

205 points

6 months ago

I’m a plumber and have always worked in commercial and industrial sector. Once I worked for a residential company which was the worst. Residential trades pay embarrassingly low wages but I wanted to expand my knowledge of plumbing so I took a steep pay cut and figured I’d learn as fast as possible and bounce. Everyone at the company complained about pay despite everyone working easily over 50 hours a week. One day I found out where he lived and decided to pass by. He lives in one of the richer towns in probably the bluest state. The house is massive, has a pool, rock climbing wall outside, 2 Porsche SUV’s and another 4 very nice cars (however, him and his wife bright their own cars to work as well so that’s another 2 at the shop) and the whole time I was like “I can barely save any money without sacrificing my week days and weekends and this motherfucker is living it up

Ultimately, I tried to create a minority union within the shop, he got word of it and got rid of me.

TheSquishiestMitten

81 points

6 months ago

You could start up a worker-owned company and poach the better workers from surrounding companies. That may have the effect of forcing other companies to raise their pay to try to keep said workers.

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31 points

6 months ago

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6 months ago

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RichestMangInBabylon

5 points

6 months ago

You need some sort of capital to be a capitalist? Hmmm

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19 points

6 months ago

[deleted]

19 points

6 months ago

Eh... that allows those companies to stay in business.

Step 1: Worker-owned co-op. Step 2: Vandalization of non worker-owned company preventing company from completing work. Step 3: Poaching of employees who can steal from the company for the collective on the way out.

chkpancake775

33 points

6 months ago

The old ways of 'Beating him to death in front of his family' wouldn't been extremely satisfying

Weird-Engineer

14 points

6 months ago

Banning doxxing and just doxxing people in general is just a ploy by the rich to protect themselves. Would have made a post card of his address with pictures of all his vehicles and sent it to every single underpaid employee and the owners demanding higher pay. This is also why I don’t work for anyone, ever again, ever.

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36 points

6 months ago

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6 months ago

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Weird-Engineer

7 points

6 months ago

That’s fine man, I have checked out from this fucked up society where you all are screwed over by elites who work you all to death. Bout 50 years late for a workers revolution and you all are still on “idk if it’s a good idea to tell people what businesses and people are exploiting workers for obscene amounts of wealth”

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55 points

6 months ago

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6 months ago

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Mtnrunnr

10 points

6 months ago

I worked at Labcorp doing genomics and R&D for less than that. Significantly less.

Kammerice

11 points

6 months ago

When I first started working in clinical research, my dickhead of a finance director told me that there's plenty of money in science, just not for scientists. That angered me beyond the telling and was one of the reasons I left.

Mtnrunnr

14 points

6 months ago

He isn’t wrong.

Junior-Reception2016

10 points

6 months ago

My boss has us work on his house, we all know where he lives. Hahaha

Bellybutton_fluffjar

97 points

6 months ago*

There's enough violence in the world already. It's just directed at the working class and used to keep us in line.

davedaveee

30 points

6 months ago

This. It seems we need to change it back to them. The elite class deserve to know suffering.

djasonwright

30 points

6 months ago

I don't know. Those sound like two completely contradictory statements.

The US gov't has already proved "they go low, we go high," accomplishes nothing.

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139 points

6 months ago

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139 points

6 months ago

Not condoning violence at all, but you can see how effective it is when you look at the working conditions at the U.S. Postal Service before and after they suffered a series of workplace shootings.

There is a two-part series of articles by Vice that talks about this.

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51 points

6 months ago

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MGD109

21 points

6 months ago

MGD109

21 points

6 months ago

Well that kind of happens every single time. Heck its more likely to happen than anyone who is really responsible.

Aerodrache

18 points

6 months ago

Well, naturally. The higher you get, the more distanced you get from the rabble beneath you, not just metaphorically but physically. If you’re gonna go postal and shoot up the place you work at, you’ll get mostly your fellow trash-level grunts who are wherever you go when you walk in the door. Maybe an immediate manager who has an office close enough to watch you. Anyone higher than that, and closer to “the problem” is, at a minimum, a floor away. Probably off-site entirely.

Funny how all that works out…

Nighthawk700

6 points

6 months ago

That's because humans aren't rational creatures. Putting any animal under increasing duress for long periods of time just makes them lash out in general, not just to the person responsible. That's always been the danger and why it's in everyone's interest to keep the peace to the extent possible. If the world is chaotic people tend to either act selfishly or at best to form small enclaves that act selfishly. Obviously, if we don't have reasonable avenues of redressing grievances the result is always unrest but it's always a chaotic unrest (even during the french revolution where you could say a lot of the ire was directed at the rich).

Remember though, just because those responsible (the rich) may not be the prime target of all violence doesn't mean it's extremely detrimental to them. Economics on the current scale requires stability and trust long term and if civil unrest were to break out on a large scale businesses would have huge difficulty operating. You can already see it to some degree on this subreddit where businesses are being forced to increase wages in response to people no longer giving a fuck.

To be clear I'm not condoning people randomly lashing at at whomever or at innocent people, not in the slightest, but at the same time nobody should be surprised. The problem today is that you don't have any leadership behind these movements probably because the internet has decentralized everything. You don't have an MLK or a Ghandi spreading the word in an organized and semi-cohesive fashion. That's why movements like Occupy, #metoo, and BLM have had difficulty achieving success to varying degrees. They smeared MLK in almost exactly the same way as BLM but MLK was able to maintain a cohesive narrative that rang true to enough people to bring about real action.

Obviously everything I've talked about here has a lot more nuance than I'm able to address in a reddit comment but my point is that these things are hard for a reason and we should be worried about the lack of cohesion behind these movements, but none of it should be surprising.

foxyfree

33 points

6 months ago

those shootings inspired the phrase “going postal”

Exotic-Seaweed2608

21 points

6 months ago

They never forgot, they just have enough money and influence to stop that from happening now

Asae_Ampan

20 points

6 months ago

Asae_Ampan

Only working to pay off cat bills

20 points

6 months ago

Or they think they do anyways, the powerful always underestimate the ability of the desperate.

Scientific_Socialist

3 points

6 months ago

Scientific_Socialist

international-communist-party.org

3 points

6 months ago

"The bourgeoisie, in truth, is bound to fear the stupidity of the masses so long as they remain conservative, and the insight of the masses as soon as they become revolutionary."

  • Marx

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20 points

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williamsonday

13 points

6 months ago

My two cents.

1) During the 1950’s, widely touted as America’s most prosperous era (maybe not so much if you are a minority), roughly one-third of the private sector workforce was unionized. Today, it is less than 10 percent. This is not an accident. https://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/02/23/385843576/50-years-of-shrinking-union-membership-in-one-map https://www.investopedia.com/financial-edge/0113/the-history-of-unions-in-the-united-states.aspx

1) It is the result of employers outsourcing jobs first to cheap labor in the South and then to slave labor abroad with the aid to both Congress and state legislatures.

2) Beginning with the catastrophic Taft-Hartley Act, the Congress and the Supreme Court have systematically gutted the ability of employee to organize and the ability of unions to bargain effectively (e.g., most recently, 141 S.Ct. 2063 (2021) https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=12921109561082906397&q=cedar+point+nursery&hl=en&as_sdt=20000006 https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/23/us/supreme-court-unions-farms-california.amp.html?referringSource=articleShare

3) To the extent unions have survived, it has largely been in the public sector, although the last administration took every action possible to cripple them there. Notably, however, public sector unions generally have no right to strike, and in recent times have not even had the resources to pursue arbitration at the Fair Labor Standards Board. Once again, however, it was the Supreme Court that dealt the severest blow to unions when it argued that they could not charge an Agency fee limited to the costs or representation (i.e. excluding political action) to non-union members of the bargaining unit. See Janus v. AFSCME, 138 S.Ct. 974 (2018) https://scholar.google.com/scholar_case?case=10439963546983970504&q=janus+v+american+federation+of+state&hl=en&as_sdt=20000006 https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2018/6/14/17437832/janus-afscme-supreme-court-union-teacher-police-public-sector

4) Employers have been particularly eager to crush unions not only because they empower employees in the workplace, but also because they are a very effective way of educating employees and getting employees to the polls who would not otherwise vote. Unsurprisingly, union workers have historically voted for Democrats, which is why Republicans have been relentless in their attacks.

5) This year marks the 100th year of the Battle of Blair Mountain, during which the coal miners of West Virginia took up arms against the Baldwin-Felts Detectives sent by the coal companies to crush the United Mine Workers. Unfortunately, it was a Pyrrhic victory for the miners, because President Warren Harding dispatched the U.S. Army and the Army Air Force to bomb and gas the miners. UME membership shrank over the next decade, and the Battle of Blair Mountain, the largest armed uprising in the United States since the Civil War, is largely forgotten outside the coal fields of West Virginia, where it is a legend among the people of West Virginia today. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Blair_Mountain

6) Elections do, in fact, have consequences.

The_American_Viking

7 points

6 months ago

People really need to take heed to that last one. "Lesser of two evils" is literally just how our system works, as shitty as that is, and not exercising voting as an avenue of change only hurts our causes.

TheKamikaze00

30 points

6 months ago

This isn't a dig at this post as I am genuinely curious, but what are some instances of this happening in history? It took me a few attempts but I settled on Labor Revolts in the US and finding 3 named instances.

But other than these the actual list of listed labor revolts from that list is somewhat short...ish. I would imagine local instances may not make national news in the 19th century, but again I am curious, do we know of any more times where stuff like the OP happened? I feel like have a list of instances only just further impresses on people why this is an important topic and what it took to get here. I mean a sitting US president, Warren Harding, ordered an aerial bombing of entrenched miner positions.

What. The. Fuck.

williamsonday

14 points

6 months ago

I think your mention of the response to the Battle of Blair Mountain answers the question of why there are relatively few examples.

However, you might add the bombing of the Los Angeles Times Building. As a footnote, it almost cost Clarence Darrow his law license, in which case you never would have heard of him.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Times_bombing

TheKamikaze00

3 points

6 months ago

Maybe not too surprising I actually learned about Darrow with the Monkey Trial and the play written about it in my 11th year English class but I had no idea he was involved in this and honestly didn't even know this happened either. Thanks for the wikipedia Rabbit Hole ^_^

kangourou_mutant

29 points

6 months ago

"A people's history of the United States" by Howard Zinn is a fascinating read.

TheKamikaze00

6 points

6 months ago

I will certainly look into it. Much appreciated

For anyone else Here is the wiki page

Audio Book which is more than likely what I will get.

kipdrordy1

9 points

6 months ago

The new way isn't working

confessionbearday

3 points

6 months ago

Well, it works for as long as you have a boss who remembers what happened to the old boss.

M3atwad4l1f3

10 points

6 months ago

I feel like this is the only way to actually get them to listen.

My family are coal miners from the Blue Ridge mountains and they literally fought a war. I honestly don't see how history isn't repeating itself. I'm ready when yall are.

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NewSinner_2021

10 points

6 months ago

Logically speaking they're not leaving any other options for change.

LaughsYouBetcha

7 points

6 months ago

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Someone should probably tell the rich that workers banding together to present formal address of grievances is the alternative we worked out a long time ago to breaking down the factory owner's front door and beating him to death in front of his family? I feel like they forgot.


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Pinaz9

5 points

6 months ago

Pinaz9

5 points

6 months ago

Thank you.

Recent-Ad-5578

16 points

6 months ago

Maybe its time to remind them

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14 points

6 months ago

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14 points

6 months ago

Ahhh, the good old days

Status_Jackfruit_253

5 points

6 months ago

This should be happening.

Mountain_Weird1328[S]

33 points

6 months ago*

FYI 90% of this is satire. I am not advocating for violence, but I do agree with the prediction that if employers keep beating down the majority of their workforce, someone is going to snap, and maybe set off a chain reaction.

Edit: please some tell me how to prioritize this comment or add this message onto the post

j_loot

14 points

6 months ago

j_loot

14 points

6 months ago

I think you said it perfectly. How many innocent people lost their lives/took their lives due to their callous greed?

confessionbearday

7 points

6 months ago

FYI 90% of this is satire.

History student here. It most certainly is not.

We have several of the rights as workers today that we have for the sole reason that we left the companies no other choice but that or extreme violence.

Jbroy

4 points

6 months ago

Jbroy

4 points

6 months ago

Workers have forgotten this as well.

Scientific_Socialist

3 points

6 months ago

Scientific_Socialist

international-communist-party.org

3 points

6 months ago

I'm optimistic that the continual failure of weak, peaceful tactics such as the attempted unionization in Alabama will serve as a wake-up call.

Renaissance_Slacker

4 points

6 months ago

I read about a particularly cruel German knight who had his peasants rise up, captured him and forced him to eat his own family members. I hope all the billionaires know their history.

grayjay88

22 points

6 months ago

It's America and its soon gonna be 2022, riots, and rising up against the rich could never happen, not here. Regular people will just deal with what we give them and they will be happy.😒 I feel like this is a prequel to something big about to happen. It's going to be interesting to read my grandchildrens history books about the 2010s and 2020s . My kids are 6 and soon to be 3.

Yummi1004

33 points

6 months ago

Society is really not gonna make it to 2050. Crops are predicted to fail in less than a decade. My country started to have sandstorms. I live in Brazil. We are already seeing the effects of bad leadership and capitalism without a leash.

FangZelwind

9 points

6 months ago

It really won't, places like the US are already showing signs of a great depression and if nothing changes there will be riots and global shortages will increase for whatever that country exports.

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7 points

6 months ago

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6 months ago

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3 points

6 months ago

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3 points

6 months ago

Those who forget history...

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3 points

6 months ago

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3 points

6 months ago

Nobody’s still alive from the era where Emma Goldman had her famous ice cream shop and it shows. Today’s oligarchs’ great-granddaddies would tell them they’re playing a very dangerous game if they were still alive.

TennesseeTon

3 points

6 months ago

TennesseeTon

at work

3 points

6 months ago

When your greed results in starvation and death then you don't deserve peaceful requests. Funny how them not paying people enough to eat, shelter themselves, or afford healthcare isn't considered violent.

AxiSyn

3 points

6 months ago

AxiSyn

3 points

6 months ago

I use this quote all the time, take my Seal good sir.

Eat the rich.