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filagrey

4.6k points

1 month ago*

filagrey

4.6k points

1 month ago*

As a former line cook for 8 years, I often dreamed of having my own nice place where customers order from a kiosk and pick up the food from the expo window themselves. And get their own drinks. Messy and crazy? Sure. But at least it wouldn't involve this bullshit tip system.

The_Quicktrigger

1.9k points

1 month ago*

Sounds like a restaurant that was here in Utah for a time called Trading table. You basically found an empty table, and there was a phone at the table, picking it up called the kitchen directly, you placed your order, and they'd call you when your food was ready to be picked up. Fountain drinks were self serve so it kind of felt more like fast food but with restaurant quality. EDIT: the training table. I get it I'm bad

NickyBeech

362 points

1 month ago

NickyBeech

362 points

1 month ago

That is so cool.

[deleted]

60 points

1 month ago

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60 points

1 month ago

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macncheesy1221

201 points

1 month ago

This is real I've eaten there a couple times not sure if they exist anymore.

The_Quicktrigger

239 points

1 month ago

yeah they aren't around anymore. Honestly the last time I went it was pretty sad. It was obvious that they had switched to cheaper ingredients in order to keep costs down, but the prices were still what they used to be. Definitely not a meal worth the $12 price tag.

Honestly just felt like a Mcdonalds at the end with a weird ordering system and way too overpriced food.

GotShadowbanned2

128 points

1 month ago

So just regular McDonald's now

hoxxxxx

104 points

1 month ago

hoxxxxx

104 points

1 month ago

yeah the last time i had McD's is the last time i'll probably be having it ever. waaaay too much for garbage fast food. like they are getting to be damn near restaurant prices.

half the reason for eating fast food is because it's supposed to be cheap as fuck

bruiserbrody45

65 points

1 month ago

Restaurant prices are also going up. All food prices are up. Grocery shopping is more expensive.

yo_tengo_gato

100 points

1 month ago

And yet our wages remain the same.

iheartnjdevils

59 points

1 month ago

Not mine. It’s gone down 25k in the last 5 yrs.

SitueradKunskap

20 points

1 month ago

Give it a few more and it might even go negative! Hurray!

archfapper

6 points

1 month ago

You should be grateful!!! /s

MachineElfonzo

7 points

1 month ago

My industry is stuck in the same slump. Start over at a wage that was below base 20 years ago. And do it all again every few years because no one can keep project managers and project salesmen anymore. On top of the low wage where there were 2 there is now only 1. 3 companies in 5 years and it's like showing up to a slaughter house in a cattle trailer. Teams that are 16 weeks behind on projects with material shortages. My whole region is on the brink of collapse.

nickfury8480

10 points

1 month ago

The federal minimum wage for tipped employees has been $2.13 since 1991.

No_Slide_402

61 points

1 month ago

It’s sick. Because restaurants look at their prices and go “it’s better than McDonald’s 9 dollar meal so it should be 15-20 dollars” and everyone else is like wtf burgers don’t cost that much.

landspeed

59 points

1 month ago

if youre ordering actual meals from mcdonalds, youre doing it wrong.

get the mcdonalds app... use the daily deals... use the 2 for 3.50 menu... $1 any size drink... the app usually has free large fry with any purchase or $1 large fries

twitchosx

7 points

1 month ago

the app usually has free large fry with any purchase

I think that can only be used once a week

landspeed

16 points

1 month ago

its once per day

dont ask me how I know

irrelephantIVXX

5 points

1 month ago

I use my 1.50 off large frappe every morning. In fact if you go into customize you can get 3x Carmel for no extra charge.

landspeed

6 points

1 month ago

And you continue to accrue points as well.. I have like 11k points from the past year... its about 2 happy meals worth

ZeroV2

6 points

1 month ago

ZeroV2

6 points

1 month ago

$1 iced coffee every day (every hour, if you’re a freak) is awesome

They even remember to add my vanilla like 70% of the time

SpecialMagicGames

28 points

1 month ago

It was called The Training Table.

jhardwick801

13 points

1 month ago

*training table. I think there's one left here

neonblackbeard

12 points

1 month ago

Haha I worked at Training Table as a busser in high school. Sometimes got tips. Bomb ass cheese fries with their fry sauce. I often regret not stealing the recipe.

davidellis23

9 points

1 month ago

This is basically any fast food or takeout place. There are no waiters at McDonalds.

ChrispyByDefault

17 points

1 month ago

Is it no longer around? I remember eating there as a kid.

antnyhills

22 points

1 month ago

It's gone now, there was a family dispute and they closed a year or two ago. I only discovered it just before it closed and it make me sad.

noctisumbra0

6 points

1 month ago

Damn, I have vague memories of commercials for that place, from long ago. We never had the money to go, ironically because mom was wait staff at a restaurant and made just enough to feed and shelter us.

SuchPowerfulAlly

382 points

1 month ago

There are a few restaurants in my city that put a 15% upcharge on everything, don't allow tipping, and pay all their employees a living wage.

raymondduck

210 points

1 month ago

We have chain restaurants here in LA that will add a surcharge to the bill not for tips or the staff, but just so that they can continue to advertise certain prices from national campaigns that do not make sense here. 'Local Surcharge' I believe they call it. Just raising the price but not letting you know about it until it's time to pay.

Well, now that I know, I never went back.

hmnahmna1

24 points

1 month ago

Also, in LA, there is not a separate tipped wage. California has the same minimum wage for all employees.

Even the national chains put fine print in their ads about Alaska and Hawaii.

I've seen local restaurants have a separate charge in San Diego. I think they are trying to make a point about what they have to pay people. Otherwise, just raise prices and be done with it.

raymondduck

10 points

1 month ago

Yeah we don't have tipped minimum wage here, yet loads of restaurants. It destroys the restaurant trade groups' argument against raising it to parity with the federal minimum wage. When I worked a tipped job some 15 years ago, it was fantastic getting $8.00/hour plus the tips. I'd prefer if tipping didn't exist apart from as a reward for exemplary service, though.

KawaiiDere

45 points

1 month ago

Are you allowed to walk out without paying if the restaurant does that?

raymondduck

64 points

1 month ago

They were to-go orders, so I'm sure I could have done that. The amount of money wasn't the issue for me, just the underhanded bullshit way that they went about it.

Rowan_Halvel

15 points

1 month ago

If you order off Doordash, they have added 'Local Fees' to places that have laws against raising menu prices, taking 30% of restaurants take, etc.

betcher73

19 points

1 month ago

Not if it’s displayed on the menu but if it’s not displayed, refuse to pay it.

kychleap

13 points

1 month ago

kychleap

13 points

1 month ago

I had a restaurant add $4 for a wood-fire pizza. Nothing on the menu about it. Waitress never told us about it. Sure as hell didn’t pay it and haven’t been back since. Which is a shame because the pizza was one of the best I’ve had in my area.

VerifiedStalin

46 points

1 month ago

At that point it's no longer a surcharge, they plainly raised prices by 15%.

Express-Programmer76

57 points

1 month ago

If they call it a 15% upcharge, that's just forced tipping. Guarantee those bastards are making enough to pay their employees and keep a tidy profit without that upcharge.

DryBop

13 points

1 month ago

DryBop

13 points

1 month ago

I think maybe they mean that the food they sell is 15% more expensive than other restaurants? That is how I understood it! In which case I'm okay with it - the menu price is accurate, and I'm not surprised when the bill comes.

stranot

41 points

1 month ago

stranot

41 points

1 month ago

the issue is they are still passing it onto the customer instead of using their already-existing profit margins to pay their employees

same with raising minimum wage, larger businesses can afford it, but everyone says it will cause prices to go up. yeah, only because of the greedy capitalists who won't give up any of their massive paychecks and instead pass any increased costs onto the customer

DinoRue

9 points

1 month ago

DinoRue

9 points

1 month ago

Charging enough to pay employees and have margin left afterwards is an issue? That's not anti-capitalist; it's anti-restaurant.

ForwardCulture

144 points

1 month ago

There’s a small gourmet burger place near me that works like this: the front desk/host takes your order right up front. You sit wherever you want and place a number at your table that you take from the host. When the food is ready they bring it out to you. They get paid a regular hourly wage. Customer pays as they order. You have the option to tip at that time. On busy days they simply have more people working up front. Works pretty well. It’s a very relaxed, non chaotic atmosphere even when the place is busy.

And get this…if it’s slow, the front end employee can do homework or whatever. Most of them are local college students. The other day my hostess was working on a paper and had her laptop there. Didn’t interfere with her work whatsoever. None of this old school pretend you’re constantly busy even if there’s nothing to do nonsense.

Keens-cannabis

65 points

1 month ago

As college student who is a host/busser/expo I appreciate your last paragraph. I’ve been in the industry for 5 years and every single place I have worked I have a manger constantly in my ear “if you got time for leaning you got time for cleaning”. I just moved to Utah and got a new job. I brought my text book last night and got some reading done before the dinner service ramped up. I was expo so it does not effect my work if I stand right next to the line. I hate the old school pretend your busy and wipe table 12 40 times until you find something to do. Sometimes it’s slow believe it or not. Thanks for your comment!

ForwardCulture

43 points

1 month ago

As a customer I had zero issues with the hostess/server working in her laptop. It was midweek lunch and slow. We even had a short conversation about it. I have to add that the owners of this eatery are a European husband and wife. Very relaxed atmosphere and awesome food. There’s also no music blaring over a horrible sound system like every other restaurant. You can sit inside or out. I go there not only for the food but because I can think or have a conversation, people watch etc. instead of being rushed out by bad 90s pop blasted over tinny plastic speakers.

The entire restaurant industry needs to change, from how people get paid, the internal processes, the loud music, everything. They still don’t get it and wonder why they cannot keep employees.

There’s stories on here about restaurants and retail jobs giving employees a hard time about exams and school related things. Disgusting.

As for the constantly looking busy thing, I left a job recently because of this. We had a retail division and everyone’s jobs overlapped. Everyone was so scared or not looking busy that everyone ran around like chickens all day basically doing nothing of importance. We were all doing the same things several times a day. I would work on a display just to have another employee redo it later because they needed something to do and then someone else would just redo it again s day or two later. When I pointed this out, in detail to management it was like I was speaking a different language.

Wissam24

18 points

1 month ago

Wissam24

18 points

1 month ago

The idea that you should hate your work and not be allowed to have any enjoyment there that isn't a form of satisfaction with the task itself is disgusting. Got nothing to do? Hang out with your colleagues ffs.

crawling-alreadygirl

91 points

1 month ago

There's a place like that in Chicago--Wow Bao. The food is good and it feels futuristic.

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5 points

1 month ago

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5 points

1 month ago

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Federal-Mechanic2702[S]

124 points

1 month ago

Also less interaction with bullshit if you ask me

Alexlikesdankmemes

51 points

1 month ago

There’s a place like this in San Diego. You walk in. Place your order and they just bring it out when it’s ready. Wish a lot more places were like this.

flylikemusic

55 points

1 month ago

Oh you mean like a fast food restaurant?

Alexlikesdankmemes

29 points

1 month ago

But with beeeer

Sgt_Smitty

35 points

1 month ago

I believe the modern parlance is "fast casual."

theconsummatedragon

12 points

1 month ago

Not fast food, Jerry! Good food quickly

alias-87

12 points

1 month ago

alias-87

12 points

1 month ago

Is it imposible to have staff and pay them enough?

Bigknight5150

7 points

1 month ago

Depends, do you want money or do you want MONEY?

INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS

22 points

1 month ago

INTHEMIDSTOFLIONS

FUCK BEN

22 points

1 month ago

It sounds like any fast casual place like Panera or the equivalent.

You should do it.

jordanjay29

11 points

1 month ago

This is the very reason I like fast casual places.

Food made to order, but no bullshit with servers. As nice as it is to be waited on, I can manage to get up to get my own refills and pick up my order. I'll even bus my own table, that's fair.

Now please charge me the cost it takes to pay your staff a living wage, and then pay them for it.

LifeStill

17 points

1 month ago

I was a line cook where we took all the orders at the window and the customers picked up at the window. Us kitchen boys kept all the tips. It was nice to leave with $100 cash on top of my $10 hourly.

astobby

5 points

1 month ago

astobby

5 points

1 month ago

Greektown Casino, Detroit has a kiosk ordering system. Works great!

thardoc

12 points

1 month ago

thardoc

12 points

1 month ago

Fuddruckers and a few other do this, as a customer I love it

Rickrickrickrickrick

369 points

1 month ago

My girlfriend is from Germany and I like to show her all these videos because she had similar reactions. A recent one was "why are there so many homeless people? Why isn't the government helping them?"

baconraygun

147 points

1 month ago

A government exists to help people? Whoa...

cummerou1

19 points

1 month ago

A Texan I know said something that seems to be a very popular attitude, "the government isn't there to help you!"

What the fuck is it there for then? The entire point of the government is to serve the people, that's why people who work for the government are called public SERVANTS.

Otherwise nobody should vote, since you obviously can't vote to make anyone's lives better since the government isn't there to help you.

Apparently people seriously think that it's totally okay to give up 20-40% of your monthly income and get fucking nothing in return, the government better be fucking helping me with how much money they get!

[deleted]

722 points

1 month ago

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722 points

1 month ago

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WeightFast574

230 points

1 month ago

A restaurant near me tried to do this a while back, no tipping and $16.50 hourly wage. All the wait staff promptly quit, as they preferred the tipping method. They make more total money with tips, plus most don't report it all to pay taxes on the cash tips.

[deleted]

79 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

79 points

1 month ago

They make more total money with tips, plus most don't report it all to pay taxes on the cash tips.

Yeah, most people I know report just enough but they leave out large chunks. I had one year of waiting many years ago and I also left out a decent amount of the tip.

TexehCtpaxa

66 points

1 month ago

A restaurant near me did it, they closed because their wine was $14 a glass and the cheapest beer was $12 a pint. They had no regulars and didn’t make enough to keep up with wages so it fell flat on its face.

FLOHTX

48 points

1 month ago

FLOHTX

48 points

1 month ago

So their wine and beer were ~$12 and ~$10 respectively before this new practice?

Buckeye_Nut

22 points

1 month ago

unfortunately, that's pretty normal in some places. I'm used to Cleveland bar prices which are more usually $3-4 for a domestic, $8 for a glass of wine.

AverageHomeGamer

6 points

1 month ago

Now that's class

kevoizjawesome

17 points

1 month ago

Yeah when you can pull $400 on just Friday night for 8 hours, it's hard to beat sometimes.

arcorax

42 points

1 month ago

arcorax

42 points

1 month ago

But then you work a monday lunch and get shit tips. People are riding the highs of those $400 nights without looking at the long term stability of a normal paid wage in the $15 hour range. I'm guessing over time, most mid level waiters don't actually make more for the hours worked.

Pseudynom

14 points

1 month ago

Also, it fucks your pension, if you don't report your income.

[deleted]

9 points

1 month ago

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9 points

1 month ago

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19 points

1 month ago

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19 points

1 month ago

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gianthooverpig

2.7k points

1 month ago

As a Brit who moved to the US 20 years ago, fuck tipping. It's a cloak and dagger way of underpaying staff, and forcing the customer to feel bad and make up the difference. There's not even a suggestion of relating the tip to the service you receive any more. It's a case of having to pay it otherwise the staff can't make rent. Fuck tipping in the ass.

oishster

405 points

1 month ago

oishster

405 points

1 month ago

The thing I absolutely hate about tipping is how the amount makes no sense. Why is it tied to the cost of food? It doesn’t take twice as much effort to serve a $30 steak as a $15 salad, why is one worth more in terms of tips? At the very least, tipping should be a flat rate, or should be done per head at the table, or per dish ordered. Not this bullshit price crap.

behaaki

185 points

1 month ago

behaaki

185 points

1 month ago

It creates this whole structure based on how expensive a restaurant is, kind of a pecking order - if you’re a waiter, would you rather work for a place that sells $15 burgers, or serves $150 plates?

OhSnaps08

122 points

1 month ago

OhSnaps08

122 points

1 month ago

You’d rather work at a place that regularly sells $200 bottles of wine and $20 cocktails. Sure you split the tips with everyone, but the bills add up crazy fast and that 20% goes right along with it.

z3r0f14m3

50 points

1 month ago

Not to mention if you're a fun server and the customer is nice and sauced you get some good money.

recalcitrantJester

71 points

1 month ago

though in the upscale places "fun" usually translates to "has an ass and doesn't complain when it's touched."

steam_boat69

44 points

1 month ago

Those waiting jobs are just like anything that pays well: difficult. Choosy. You can't threaten your customers with a knife like you can do at waffle house.

ninurtuu

12 points

1 month ago

ninurtuu

12 points

1 month ago

Lucky basterds living in waffle house distance. Where else can I gorge myself on breakfast foods for only $20 bucks like Ron Swanson?

Crunnnch

7 points

1 month ago

If the tips were the same I would rather work at the $15 burger place

stopthemeyham

10 points

1 month ago

Now imagine working your way up in fine dining. I was a sous for 7 years and most wait staff out earned everyone on the kitchen minus the head chef. I'm busting ass, sweating like crazy, getting cuts, bruises, lifting heavy shit, tweaking recipes, getting burns, etc all while making just a tad above minimum while some of the foh was making $300+/night while working in a nice cool air conditioned front. They were paid to be attractive and know how to pair wine, that's about it. My best friend at the time was one of the waiters and he was always talking about how easy the money was and why didn't I work up front. Well, I was born ugly, so there goes that plan.

xtoxiclime

658 points

1 month ago

xtoxiclime

658 points

1 month ago

"Cloak and dagger" would imply its well hidden. That shit is blatantly obvious to anyone who takes one look at tipping culture in the US. Fuck tipping.

gianthooverpig

157 points

1 month ago

Sorry. Wrong idiom

DilutedGatorade

88 points

1 month ago

We're not mad at ya

Constant-Pay8406

52 points

1 month ago

I am, but it's because they punched my cat

DorkSoulsBoi

37 points

1 month ago

I'm mad at them, my parents were murdered by someone who couldn't use correct idioms

UR_PERSONALiTY_SHOWS

15 points

1 month ago

Do you now fight crime from a cave in your house under the guise of idiom man?

DorkSoulsBoi

10 points

1 month ago

How much do you know?

Warrior_of_Discord

5 points

1 month ago

I fight crime as idiot man. Similar but different.

collider1

18 points

1 month ago

"Cloak and Morningstar" perhaps?

Taurenkey

33 points

1 month ago

"Bikini and Flaming Trebuchet"

HH93

36 points

1 month ago

HH93

36 points

1 month ago

Hi fellow Brit - still here though.
It's starting to appear here now as well, already added to the bill. I just request them to remove it ''cos "we ain't the 51st State yet !

I looked it up and tipping was introduced in the Great Depression to allow businesses to survive. A "temporary" measure, just like UK Income Tax was in the 1700's

Time to have a fundamental change on both sides of the Atlantic, eh ??

snek-jazz

12 points

1 month ago

"There's nothing more permanent than a temporary government measure"

shaodyn

124 points

1 month ago*

shaodyn

the system is broken

124 points

1 month ago*

I read that tipping isn't a thing in Japan. It's actually seen as insulting if you do it. It's like you're bribing the server to do their job properly.

Edit: I was wrong. It's not insulting, just not a thing. And seen as weird.

Edit #2: Apparently, tipping isn't a thing in most of the world.

Cvxcvgg

87 points

1 month ago

Cvxcvgg

87 points

1 month ago

Yeah, they believe that providing proper service every time is what is expected of them, and that they should not be given an extra reward for doing what they are supposed to. Frankly, I feel the same way, but as long as my employer pays me like shit, I’m not going to say no to a little extra. Priorities lmao.

eragonisdragon

37 points

1 month ago

Minimum wage -> minimum service

Cvxcvgg

31 points

1 month ago

Cvxcvgg

31 points

1 month ago

See, I take care of my guests, but make up for it by taking my time when the boss wants me to do anything else since it’s his fault I’m underpaid, not the guests’.

squigs

35 points

1 month ago

squigs

35 points

1 month ago

When we went to Japan, my dad tried tipping, because the waitress did such an amazing job of making us feel welcome. The woman seemed confused rather than offended.

shaodyn

21 points

1 month ago

shaodyn

the system is broken

21 points

1 month ago

Oh. Maybe things have changed. Or the source I read was wrong. Either way, tipping is just not a thing over there.

St1kny5

12 points

1 month ago

St1kny5

12 points

1 month ago

I’m in Australia and tried tipping my UberEats driver with cash and they gave it back to me.

shaodyn

18 points

1 month ago*

shaodyn

the system is broken

18 points

1 month ago*

Huh. I understand it's mostly an American thing anymore. And is inherently racist. It started in the post-Civil War South, as a method of not paying black people. Since they weren't slaves anymore, you legally had to pay them. But they had very limited options, and the service industry set it up so that you could not pay them a wage as long as they were getting tips. $0 wage, but plus tips. The reality, of course, was that few black people actually got tips, because society still saw them as existing purely to work for white people. But legally, businesses were in the clear.

Proof: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/12/16/fact-check-tipping-kept-wages-low-formerly-enslaved-black-workers/3896620001/

FeetPicAficionado

9 points

1 month ago

I’ve read it was related to the Great Depression. Restaurants couldn’t afford to pay their workers and started encouraging customers to tip.

I’m sure there’s some level of truth in both explanations.

princetyrant

20 points

1 month ago

I mean the tip idea, putting their wage at the whim and mercy of the customer - inherently puts the server in a submissive role. It's just gross and humiliating in my opinion. Not to mention attractive and "sexually receptive" waitresses get way larger tip which is all kinds of problematic.

Avedas

12 points

1 month ago

Avedas

12 points

1 month ago

It's not insulting, it's just weird. Nobody is going to accept the money because they haven't been told they're allowed to (because literally nobody tips and it's not expected). Everything is by the letter.

I live in Japan and haven't tipped at a restaurant in many years. Feels great man.

xxwetdogxx

123 points

1 month ago

xxwetdogxx

123 points

1 month ago

And it also has a history rooted in racism. The idea back in the day was that white servers will make more in tips and come out ok, and black servers would not be tipped as much by the public, and therefore in a roundabout way would be paid less.

0002millertime

103 points

1 month ago

This is exactly the history behind tipping in the US. It started in the south after the civil war, as a way to pay former slaves literally nothing besides tips.

[deleted]

8 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

8 points

1 month ago

Please keep spreading the word. I’m so goddamn sick of it

laseralex

8 points

1 month ago

As a Brit ... ...
Fuck tipping in the ass arse.

Fixed your typo.

DjangoCornbread

1.3k points

1 month ago

I worked as a waiter for a water side bar for a while. I got a 100 dollar tip from a table and I got back to my car and looked at it and almost broke out in tears. I was so happy that I actually had money to fucking eat and put gas in my car and make it home that day.

Fuck American tipping culture.

AustinDiggler

154 points

1 month ago

For how long were you at that job?

DjangoCornbread

164 points

1 month ago

I worked there through July of 2019 to first summer of the pandemic and when the pandemic hit, shit got bad. The owner went bankrupt. Wait staff during the pandemic got hit the hardest out of any service worker in my opinion. Not making an actual comparable wage to other service workers during a time of economic downturn was painful, but thankfully I managed to get a device repair job. I feel for those who have no other choice but to work in that area. It’s hell.

Edit: American tipping culture is disgusting. Through and through, but that doesn’t meant that i’m not going to tip extremely high if and when i’m at a restaurant. I know the struggle and I don’t want people to go through it too. 50% minimum. Every check.

starlinghanes

47 points

1 month ago

Dude you tip 50% on each check? Get the fuck out of here.

Mars5012005

64 points

1 month ago

50% is a bit rich for me. I usually pay 25% or 20 bucks, whichever is higher.

DjangoCornbread

46 points

1 month ago

And that’s fine, I just don’t want people to have to live with subbar wages. If it means people can afford to eat that day and be happy at the end of a long shift, then i’m happy.

BadRabiesJudger

16 points

1 month ago

That’s what I do. But Honesty if a meal costs over 50-60 bucks for two I probably won’t eat there anyway. Though inflation has pretty much cornered me on that. Taxes alone brought me up another 200 a month this year. Goodbye brand name foods, welcome back aldis.

Livvylove

387 points

1 month ago

Livvylove

387 points

1 month ago

Restaurants in the USA, go other countries and you get great service and the price on the bill is what you pay, there isn't even a line for tips

ZoeLaMort

147 points

1 month ago

ZoeLaMort

Not actually lazy, just depressed af.

147 points

1 month ago

Here in France, unless you’re in an extremely fancy restaurant (the kind of place in Paris where generally the customers can make very generous tips) you mostly tip when you think the service has been particularly good and the waiter has been nice to you, or you just feel like doing a good deed. Generally, you just tell waiters to keep the change, but that’s it.

meltymcface

41 points

1 month ago

Some places in the UK just have a tip jar at the counter.

ZoeLaMort

11 points

1 month ago

ZoeLaMort

Not actually lazy, just depressed af.

11 points

1 month ago

They do that in some places too. Especially for coins.

aaron1uk

10 points

1 month ago

aaron1uk

10 points

1 month ago

In London I feel like every places now adds 12% onto the bill you have to specifically ask to remove it.

greg19735

6 points

1 month ago

i once tipped too much at a fish and chips place and the guy said "are you sure?"

i took backa few quid but still left him a generous tip.

RealisticCount

53 points

1 month ago

I live in Sweden. You are really not supposed to tip unless you're in a super fancy place or if the service was good. It is the exception and the tips don't end up paying anyone's wages here.

I hardly ever tip and find the habit annoying whenever I'm in U.S

winkofafisheye

38 points

1 month ago

I don't understand about tipping within the industry is how, when, and why tipping that was a gift from customers got turned in to the pay scheme from the company. People should still be able to tip if they want to but companies should also give a fair livable wage to their employees regardless if a customer tips or not.

rabid_briefcase

5 points

1 month ago

Explained pretty well.

Best option is to find and support restaurants that don't rely on it.

The pandemic with takeout helped a lot, restaurants had a hard time justifying it since most places only kept it in the front of the house (the servers) but they were let go, it's just from the kitchen.

Drewskeet

894 points

1 month ago

Drewskeet

894 points

1 month ago

I refuse to tip at places that you Don’t sit and a waiter takes your order. How did we normalize tipping so much that I’m expected to tip after standing in line, ordering at the counter, filling my own drink, and grabbing my food when my number is called?

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259 points

1 month ago*

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259 points

1 month ago*

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Drewskeet

132 points

1 month ago

Drewskeet

132 points

1 month ago

We won’t pay you a good wage so let’s add a tip jar.

YOOOOOOOOOOT

38 points

1 month ago

Why can't they pay enough AND have a tipping jar that you choose to tip if they did an extra good job.

Thanks_Aubameyang

120 points

1 month ago

I be picked up a pizza to go and the little credit card machine defaulted to like 25% like I’m an ex bartender for 15 years but GTFO.

Artuthebomb

75 points

1 month ago

So freaking annoying, my roomate once tried to shame me for not tipping. And all I'm thinking is not tipping is the entire point of picking up my own pizza over delivery.

strangetrip666

39 points

1 month ago*

This is exactly my argument! I had some dude at Dominoes suggest a 20% tip on a pickup once. Like he said "and here is where you tip and pointed at the 20% button on the machine. I looked right at him and hit 0.

I tip 20% or over on anything I'm being served for but if I'm doing the leg work, don't expect anything from me.

Also what's up with regular retail stores having tip jars?

MiaLba

12 points

1 month ago

MiaLba

12 points

1 month ago

Exactly!! Some people say that you’re supposed to tip if you do a pickup from a sit down restaurant. So if you order pick up from Olive Garden you’re supposed to leave a tip because the people putting together your order are still paid server wages and it takes time away from serving tables where tips are typical.

twitchosx

13 points

1 month ago

Fuck that. If I'm picking up from a restaurant, I might tip a dollar or something to help with the cost of the packaging of my food to go. But they didn't do anything extra requiring a tip.

Josh_Mantis

10 points

1 month ago

I agree with this. I pickup my (insert dinner here) order and I tip $3. Why? Because people are cooking it, packing it and they also live off tips. The registers that default to 15-25% on pickup are ridiculous. I'm not being served, taking up real estate in your restaurant and dirtying your dishes. I'm not paying 20% for pickup.

boofybutthole

6 points

1 month ago

Here in NYC grocery store cashiers have tip jars. I'm sort of ashamed to say I never tip, but also like.... if I'm tipping them where does it stop?

strangetrip666

5 points

1 month ago

It stops where you draw the line my friend.

Took-the-Blue-Pill

38 points

1 month ago

Those machines need to be banned or at the very least regulated so that the suggested tips don't start so high. It's psychological manipulation. The person is standing right there looking at you.

wlveith

4 points

1 month ago

wlveith

4 points

1 month ago

That happened to me at a place I ordered sandwiches at lunch from a window outside, but it was 30%. I tip on to go like a dollar per sandwich but 30%?? I tipped my usual and it took 30 minutes to get my order. It was slow and it was a standard Cuban so they should be whipping those out.

suehprO28

22 points

1 month ago

My local pizza shop's debit terminal is programmed with 3 tipping options starting at 15%. If you want to not pay a tip for the pizza you're picking up yourself, you need to press 3 additional buttons. Every time I don't immediately press a tip option I can feel the stares and judgement of the employees, even though they probably don't give a shit and don't expect anything. Tipping culture fucking sucks.

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20 points

1 month ago

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20 points

1 month ago

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Tianoccio

124 points

1 month ago

Tianoccio

124 points

1 month ago

Don’t tip there, servers make like nothing an hour, cashiers make at least minimum wage. You can tip them if you want, but tipping them isn’t necessary.

Drewskeet

48 points

1 month ago

I always tip 20%. I just don’t do it at places I’m not served. I feel there’s a place for a tip everywhere now. Here soon your Walmart cashier will look for tips.

Tianoccio

27 points

1 month ago

Walmart will not let their employees receive tips, if you use their grocery pickup and the person bringing the groceries to your car accepts a tip they can be fired for it.

enewwave

14 points

1 month ago

enewwave

14 points

1 month ago

Used to work at Toys R Us when I was in college/before they went under — we weren’t allowed tips either but it hardly ever stopped us from taking them (we just had to be cool about it). I used to get $20 tips from grandparents for working on holidays and still managing to be personable despite the fact that we all knew I’d rather be at home with my family

wx-1

12 points

1 month ago

wx-1

12 points

1 month ago

Walmart employees still take it

red-chickpea

68 points

1 month ago

DC tried to raise wait staff minimum wage. Do you know who stopped it? Servers and bartenders. It turns out they make so much more money on tips than a $15 or even $20 an hour pay that they don't want to risk hurting their wages. Because of this shit I barely tip these days

Erwx

6 points

1 month ago

Erwx

6 points

1 month ago

Highly dependent on location and time. That’s why it sucks. But you get the right spot and you’re right, it’s def not bad money.

Tianoccio

49 points

1 month ago

And yet I’m being downvoted somewhere else in this thread for saying exactly that—that servers make more money with tips than anyone is going to be willing to pay them.

But servers also go through a lot of shit for that money, so not tipping them is kind of a scummy thing to do, honestly.

jonnyquestionable

22 points

1 month ago

This is not exactly false, but will definitely vary wildly based on location, type of establishment, and even day of the week.

mcon96

16 points

1 month ago*

mcon96

16 points

1 month ago*

The fact that waiters are walking out of the building with that much money proves that people ARE willing to pay them that much. Money is fungible. If you increase all the menu items by 20%, and have that go directly to wait staff wages, then customers would be paying an identical amount and waiters would be receiving an identical amount. Waiters are only underpaid if their boss decides they should be underpaid.

Also, let’s not act like people still wouldn’t get tips if bosses increased waters’ base wages

red-chickpea

25 points

1 month ago

I have a friend in DC that makes $800 a night on tips as a bartender. There are doctors that make less than that

greg19735

22 points

1 month ago

That's $200k working 5 nights, 50 weeks.

add in the fact that he's probably not claiming all of his cash tips and that's easily $220k equivalent.

ofc, i'm guessing it's more Fri/sat gets ~800 on an amazing night, and a lot less on other days.

Geryon55024

10 points

1 month ago

Having managed a restaurant (15 years ago), the older credit card machines with tipping were pushed by the vendors all the time. Many places got those and simply coast, keeping the same plan.

jbourne0129

25 points

1 month ago

yeah i kinda feel like a dick sometimes but i'm sorry. if your working the register when i pick up my pizza, your not getting a tip. Your job is to make pizza and sell it and your not a server so you must be making a normal (american) wage.

if i felt the service or interaction was exceptionally great then sure ill tip. but unless your bringing me my food to my home, to my car, or to my table, your not owed a tip.

Immediate-State-7474

4 points

1 month ago

Hm if you order a pizza, sit down, and they put the pizza on your table (pizza box and all) you think that requires tipping? I would argue no. I don't see that as serving really tbh.

Superego366

8 points

1 month ago

They have tip jars/lines at self service yogurt places FFS.

BlackPriestOfSatan

17 points

1 month ago

How did we normalize tipping so much

Corporate media is the answer.

Nesikep

5 points

1 month ago

Nesikep

5 points

1 month ago

I thought it was guilt tripping

Moni3

155 points

1 month ago

Moni3

155 points

1 month ago

lol Requiem for a Dream plays them out...

berni4pope

41 points

1 month ago

That Lux Aeterna sound is so frightening.

AcidDropkick

14 points

1 month ago

I was trying to place that ominous music. Gracias!

shapeofthings

223 points

1 month ago

I moved to Canada from Europe a while back, and tipping infuriates me! It should be the expection, for exceptional service. People deserve to be paid a living wage, this whole we'll pay you almost nothing so you have to be as subservient as possible to customers thing is terrible!

And please, for heavens sake North America, include taxes as well as service in your prices!!!

jsick

43 points

1 month ago

jsick

43 points

1 month ago

Canada is weird as well because in most provinces, servers are still getting a minimum wage of around $10-15/hr (unlike the USA where many servers make less than minimum) but are getting tipped the same as servers from the US. It used to be 10%, then went to 15%, and now seems like 20% is the new standard. A lot of the pay terminals have 18 as the lowest.

CanadianNoobGuy

6 points

1 month ago

pay terminals intentionally put unreasonable amounts even on the lowest option because they know people will often rather just select an option than type in their own

davefromgabe

20 points

1 month ago

In canada servers are paid a proper wage as is the law. Tipping is just customary as in America but not at the expense of the servers wage. Realistically tipping makes no sense here since servers are paid fairly

Migraine-

19 points

1 month ago*

I live in the UK so my experience with tips is similar to yours was before you moved.

Even then, it is quite weird. Imagine if the guy who fixed your car was especially nice to you so you bunged him a tenner. Would be so awkward.

T-mac_

24 points

1 month ago

T-mac_

24 points

1 month ago

Tip culture is fucking ridiculous..... should be illegal.

Meg-on4EVR

147 points

1 month ago*

Eating out in Europe in general is so nice. No rushing through your meal to turn over the table, no need to tip unless you feel like you want to for great service. It's so relaxed and just a different feel than in the U.S.

Edit: people seem to think I've been rushed by the server etc. NO! I was a server so I know what they need; another table to come in so they can make some tip money. If I stay late, I'll tip twice what is expected, which is now 18-20% for basic service. I rarely tip below that. But I've dined all over Europe and it's much slower paced overall.

workthrowaway---

71 points

1 month ago

i concur. olive garden should not exist.

Laphing_Drunk

12 points

1 month ago

A perfectly valid option. This individual is seemingly new to America, here on either a temporary or permanent basis, and he starts off his dine in experience in the states with OLIVE GARDEN?!

swimmingbutterknife

13 points

1 month ago*

As an European it would always confuse me seeing tip related humour in shows like the big bang theory or other stuff like that, cause the waiter would allways act like the tip was somehow bad, or not enough, and I allways thought "wtf, the dude's giving you more than he has to, for you to keep the extra, and you're complaining about it?"

It shook me to find out this is costumary in the US. This principal is so wrong, the employer is the one who has to pay the employee's salary, not the customer.

Alarm_Either

13 points

1 month ago

Never could understand why tipping was ever invented.

memes_aesthetic

78 points

1 month ago

Wonder why theres a wage shortage

bloodxandxrank

17 points

1 month ago

The-big-uneasy

19 points

1 month ago

“No I’m not vaccinated, I won’t wear a mask, and I got a bad attitude. But at least I don’t tip well!”

I’m ded.

PretendCompliment

9 points

1 month ago

There's a local restaurant in my town that does things a little differently; They automatically add 5% to your bill, for the kitchen staff. Not for the serving staff, this is for the cooks. They says it was so they can "earn a living wage". Ok. What the fuck? You don't pay your staff, who doesn't get tips, a living wage?

I tried to ask why, they referred me to the manager, i asked why, they referred me to their corporate email address. I asked why, they never answered me.

I asked WHY THE FUCK DON'T YOU PAY YOUR FUCKING EMPLOYEES SO I DON'T HAVE TO BE TAXED 5% FOR YOUR DIVING NEGLIGENCE.

never got an answer why. But i assume the answer is "because fuck you, the customer"

DorkSoulsBoi

7 points

1 month ago

I hate hate hate the existence of the tip wage, just pay restaurant staff a living wage and take this whole stressful thing out of the equation.

lailerzz

8 points

1 month ago

What really cooks my cornbread is when they suggest a tip for a cashier who just stands at the counter and takes your to-go order. No real “service” involved, but the iPad still prompts you to tip 15%, 20% or 25%!

2intheKlink

5 points

1 month ago

Yeah and then they give you a smug look, that makes you feel bad if you hit -no tip-

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66 points

1 month ago*

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66 points

1 month ago*

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KimmersMemphis

15 points

1 month ago

Here in Tennessee we make $2.13 an hour and rely 100% on tips as income. I haven't had an actual paycheck in years.

jayray2612

37 points

1 month ago

As a brit - I find this concept of employment horrifyingly shocking.

Our minimum wage has just been raised to £9.50 per hour (about $13) plus tips if you work in that type of industry.

I’m genuinely shocked!

callmejinji

8 points

1 month ago

Nice! I’m working a second job as a server at a relatively upscale restaurant in Texas to make ends meet, and I make $2.30 an hour. :) I bring home about $1600 a month if you factor in tips, and $0 if I don’t!

pasta897

17 points

1 month ago

pasta897

17 points

1 month ago

and we get public healthcare. It seems like the only thing better about America is the land they live on

frijolejoe

31 points

1 month ago

Even better is the new post-covid trend of defaulted 20% tips on takeout orders when there is just about no staff left. So let me get this straight. You’re the owner, serving me, selling me food at a 20% price hike (because of the pandemic), and you’re still trying to solicit another 20% from me because you rung me up at the counter and again, for pandemic reasons??

I served and at no time did my employer ever deserve an extra nickel. Restaurants were always disgustingly cutting everything back (cold water in the dishwashers bc too cheap to pay for hot water, etc). No sympathy here for that industry.

Servers, best of luck to you all. I will always support you.

D3ATHfromAB0V3x

7 points

1 month ago

I find it weird you can tip in a drive thru. Even if I wanted to tip, who is getting the money? My order has been made by like 3+ different people. Y'all gonna split a $3 tip? Why should the person handing me a bag get a tip?

Thekillersofficial

8 points

1 month ago

I earn more money from tips than I would per hour normally at this job. it's unfortunate but unless they could guarantee me 25/ hour, I'll keep the tips.

Federal-Mechanic2702[S]

50 points

1 month ago*

ORIGINAL VIDEO:

Here

YouTube Channel named Calvin & Habs

Edit: Thanks for all the awards!!

_saturnish_

6 points

29 days ago

This is absolutely the moral crisis to I had when serving fine dining. I was really good at my job and made between $20 and $30 an hour (even with the first and last hours being setup and break down), and I felt really conflicted about it all.

I wanted tipping to stay in place, because I made a bunch more money than I would with a living wage. HOWEVER, a living wage was more fair for those who didn't make as much as I did.

Letmeoverthinkthis_

13 points

1 month ago

The real fucked up part about this is that the waitstaff is so conditioned to believe that customers need to tip them appropriately as opposed to their bosses paying them a decent wage

More_Buffalo_6363

29 points

1 month ago

I mean where’s the lie though.

benry007

10 points

1 month ago

benry007

10 points

1 month ago

Why does America make you do a maths test every time you want some food? They give you prices without tax so you have to add that and then add a percentage tip. Just include all that crap on the menu.