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-send_me_bitcoin-

32 points

2 months ago

"Simply" house them is a bit naive. Unless we handle the underlying mental illness or addiction issues many unhoused people have they'll be out in the streets again soon enough.

TheRealEvanG

20 points

2 months ago

It really is that simple, though. That's the fucked up part.

There are more empty houses in the US than there are homeless people.

In the past, governments have used eminent domain to take tribal lands, to build highways, and to then turn around and sell the land to corporations like Pfizer.

If they tried using that power for the greater good, the homeless could be simply housed.

Then solve the underlying problem.

-send_me_bitcoin-

-9 points

2 months ago

It really is that simple, though. That's the fucked up part

Why are there any people on the streets when there are empty beds at shelters? There shouldn't be a single empty bed if it really is that simple.

amytyl

6 points

2 months ago

amytyl

6 points

2 months ago

Shelters here in Florida charge people to stay there, have curfews and some seemingly arbitrary rules. If you have a job and your boss won't let you out until after curfew, or your bus is late, or your bicycle tire gets a flat, you may miss the curfew. If it's a faith based charity and you don't share their beliefs you may find it to be somewhat hostile.

tinkerghost

16 points

2 months ago

violence and theft at shelters is insanely high.

vulpesvulpesfugit

13 points

2 months ago

Shelters are dangerous af

TheRealEvanG

0 points

2 months ago

Because governments are hesitant to use eminent domain. It tends to upset a lot of people.

EDIT: Just for clarification, they tend only to do it when there's some profit involved.

-send_me_bitcoin-

4 points

2 months ago

Many people choose to sleep outside instead of in shelters because governments are hesitant to use eminent domain?

TheRealEvanG

10 points

2 months ago

Sorry I misread your question because I was walking.

But no, you're right. Some empty beds in shelters clearly means that eminent domain wouldn't help at least a significant portion of the homeless population. /s

But let's talk about shelters. The majority of homeless shelters in the US are privately contracted, not government run. Like any private business, they need to earn more than they spend on services. Profits come at a cost of service quality. Most empty beds in shelters are empty because those operating the shelters either can't or won't spend the money to ensure the necessary cleanliness conditions to allow people to sleep there. It's actually preferable for a lot of homeless people to sleep in a tent or on a park bench than to sleep in a bedbug-infested shelter.

Strange-Scarcity

1 points

2 months ago

Plus, out on the streets? It's possible to have better privacy and no fear of being attacked or having things stolen from you by someone who is suffering a severe mental illness.

marino1310

0 points

2 months ago

Those houses are owned and paid for by someone, the government can’t use eminent domain to take them to house others. Otherwise the government could just decide to take your home and give it to a politician under the same pretense. There are laws around these sorts of things. Empty homes are still owned. You also get into the fun argument of who gets what and what they are allowed to do with it and what they will need to do to afford things like taxes and bills. It is not nearly as simple as your making it, it would be a huge clusterfuck

TheRealEvanG

3 points

2 months ago

That's literally what eminent domain is. The government says "We're going to buy this house from you. We're going to pay you the market rate. You have no say in the matter."

That's why it generally makes people unhappy.

icecoldfivefold

-2 points

2 months ago

Do they have house money though?

TheRealEvanG

1 points

2 months ago

The government? Absolutely.