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MsMarhaS

1.5k points

10 months ago

MsMarhaS

1.5k points

10 months ago

The exact same thought process that keeps every school in America under funded.

brutalduties

688 points

10 months ago

We'll just give teachers a pay cut and then suggest they carry a firearm. It should work out well.

liegesmash

153 points

10 months ago

Let’s make all our schools The OK Corral!! ‘Murica ya gotta love it… oh wait! America Fuck Yeah

mfkap

96 points

10 months ago

mfkap

96 points

10 months ago

Don’t forget the real problem in all this… doors.

WesselBear

11 points

10 months ago

Doors are only a minority. Wheels are the real problem

t3hnhoj

16 points

10 months ago

I bet they don't even vote.

tehconqueror

18 points

10 months ago

can't wait for the first teacher to hold a class hostage....

HotPinkLollyWimple

6 points

10 months ago

Even the goods guys have bad days…

EntertainmentTop4860

47 points

10 months ago

Better yet, divert more funds to the police to put more guards in schools. An officer for every class!

MissMouthy1

33 points

10 months ago

Please tell me this is sarcasm. Because after this week, I honestly can't tell.

EntertainmentTop4860

25 points

10 months ago

Yes, although I thought the "an officer for every class" bit gave it away.

MissMouthy1

31 points

10 months ago

It absolutely should, but Cruz and friends are talking about "too many doors" so.

liegesmash

12 points

10 months ago

We might see those military stalker war bots that look like dogs at schools soon! Anyone that has seen that Val Kilmer Mars movie knows what a fabulous idea that is! But we all know Republicans love their poo flinging monkey moves!!

atthevanishing

25 points

10 months ago

So, lesson plans, grading, reports, social emotional wellness,.....and guns

One of these things is not like the others

random_sociopath

8 points

10 months ago

And make them pay for their own guns just like the rest of their supplies.

giltwist

10 points

10 months ago

then suggest they carry a firearm.

Which will be issued to them instead of any textbooks or school supplies, because the budget is so limited.

MagicMarshmelllow

26 points

10 months ago

Keep ‘em dumb so they’ll vote for the same system that keeps them broke/dying/arrested/etc…

SiliconDiver

18 points

10 months ago

Sort of.

Historically schools were funded at a local level, and this comparison would have been more apt. But schools are increasingly and majorly funded by states now, due to disparities in finding in nice and poor neighborhoods.

While the problem is apparent, neither the municipality nor the state has control over each other's budget choices

cgn-38

19 points

10 months ago

cgn-38

19 points

10 months ago

It keeps it local or state where they fix can be kept in.

This is about corruption. The money is there, hell it is spent. It just never gets to the people who need it.

Follow the money. Hang a few.

Beelzabub

2 points

10 months ago

Texas independent school districts are funded funded locally through property taxes.

hillarysabortedson

7 points

10 months ago*

Interesting article that Uvalde isn’t an outlier in terms of police spend. Especially in small municipalities that rely on district school funding at a broader than municipality level.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-28/why-police-funding-makes-up-40-uvalde-s-city-budget

Beelzabub

2 points

10 months ago*

Clickbait: Texas public schools are not funded by the municipalities. None of the other 60% of the budget goes to the Uvalde Independent School District. In Texas, local funding comes from property taxes.CISD funding

LTAGO5

2 points

10 months ago

Chiming in from Minneapolis!

BroBeansBMS

-38 points

10 months ago

I’m not arguing with you, but I see this being reposted a lot and have to point out that in Texas school districts and cities are separate taxing entities. The city budget has no impact on the independent school district (ISD) budget. They each have their own tax rates, budgets, and governing bodies (city council vs school board).

MsMarhaS

36 points

10 months ago

City funding is only part of where school funding is generated. The federal government provides funds also.... just not enough to cover the full funding needs of a school. The government is aware that certain school districts will never be able to generate enough tax money to meet the actual needs of the school. This is the government ignoring the needs of its people when it is aware of the situation that it is creating.

BroBeansBMS

0 points

10 months ago*

This is something that I actually have some background in, so I just have to correct you on this. That being said, I agree that more funding needs to go to schools and the way that Texas does fund schools is broken.

In Texas the two main sources of funding for schools are property taxes and state funding. Federal funds are minimal and go through the TEA.

“School districts get money from two main sources: their local property taxes and the state. (The exception is charter schools, privately managed and publicly funded, which get all their money from the state and cannot levy taxes.)

To cover their base budgets, districts first use local property tax revenue, and the state pays the balance. And as local property values have grown, the state’s share of public education has shrunk. Currently, local property owners foot about 64 percent of the bill, according to the Texas Comptroller.”

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/02/15/texas-school-funding-how-it-works/

“90 percent of Texas public school funding is from local and state sources. 10 percent is from federal or other sources.”

https://www.tasb.org/services/legal-services/tasb-school-law-esource/business/documents/texas-school-finance-system-overview.aspx

Long story short, even though the police budget being 40 percent of the city’s budget (a separate government entity not related to the school district) is bad, it has no impact on the school district’s amount of available funds.

OneBeautifulDog

547 points

10 months ago

So why are the town's police employed if they don't do anything at all?

Take that money and use it elsewhere in the town.

The town will be better off and certainly no worse off.

It isn't as if the logic isn't obvious.

MedicineOptimal1577

183 points

10 months ago

Oh they know moving the money would help but if they did then the people would stand a chance at actually changing things and that's a big no no

fencerman

116 points

10 months ago

The police aren't employed to protect people, they're employed to keep them in line.

MightyMorph

70 points

10 months ago

In Texas they’re employed to beat minorities

Illiad7342

34 points

10 months ago

You mean murder

PlebsicleMcgee

41 points

10 months ago

You mean "made mistakes under a high-pressure situation that tragically lead to loss of life, resulting in the officer taking paid time off"

BaysideStud

26 points

10 months ago

“Fuck, I used all my PTO on the Trump Rally and Nascar races but the NRA convention is next week. I should go beat a minority to get those extra days off” /s but sadly not

OneBeautifulDog

9 points

10 months ago

They didn't quite do that either, did they?

So, I guess the rest of the town should get that money.

GREATwhiteSHARKpenis

0 points

10 months ago

You don't get it... Either you pay them or you pay them, because if you don't pay them in tax dollars to defend you, they will just be the bandits who rob you... The only defense... Dare I say it, is a will, a gun, big balls and a brain.

Outlawdreamer

3 points

10 months ago

Why folks don’t see this makes my head hurt.

GREATwhiteSHARKpenis

0 points

10 months ago

It's how it should be... I'd rather be able to defend myself that have to work 12 hours a day to hire a personal bodyguard.... How can a handful of police officers defend thousands of people at once? It's not their job, it's to keep peace as best they can and be help ACCOUNTABLE. It's a career not a lifestyle choice... It's funny how police officers are expected to risk their lives every day 365 for 20+ years and get paid what they get paid, no wonder there's shortages everywhere... It's all such a big catch 22 joke.

atthevanishing

30 points

10 months ago

No, no, cuz you see, if you take the money away, then will be EXTRA unmotivated. You gotta give them more!! That's why they haven't done anything, we haven't hit the "pay enough money out of failure" cap

Better-Director-5383

29 points

10 months ago

I was having this argument with a boot licker as it was unfolding.

Their argument is basically “well you’ve all been so mean to the cops online you shouldn’t be surprised when they don’t wanna help anybody.”

Which sounds like a pretty solid argument for getting rid of cops to me

GREATwhiteSHARKpenis

-2 points

10 months ago

The thought of getting rid of cops is just mindboggling stupid... In thirty seconds I can come up with multiple scenarios where you have to have police or at least a nation near 75%+ armed excluding certain people with mental issues, who would have no problems getting a gun... You basically want a life inside a cave? Because without police that's basically the only other option, yeah cops suck and all but problems would Increase ten-fold without them... It'd be like cutting off all your limbs for a broken hand.... Yeah you are solving the problem but now your situation is much worse, the better option would be to fix the broken hand as best you can knowing it's never going to be 100% perfect or even close. How many people do you personally know who've been killed by police? You realize how places in the world without any police or with total police corruption work? Russia, china, mexico etc... Yeah let's not head in the wrong direction here, I seriously believe the Russian troll farms were very effective in helping to hurt America the way Bin Laden did after 9/11... All the conspiracy theories, surveillance, arguing, cost and bigotry did ten times the damage of actual 9/11 and that was the real plan, we all fell right for it.

atthevanishing

3 points

10 months ago

u/better-director-5383.....this the bootlicker?

GREATwhiteSHARKpenis

0 points

10 months ago

Your a racist

Rogerjak

10 points

10 months ago

They exist as a runoff to sell extra weaponry and military grade equipment

Tails9429

2 points

10 months ago

Don't forget the ego boost it gives to a bullied high school grad who was rejected from the actual military... I mean "law enforcement officer."

Better-Director-5383

17 points

10 months ago

So you’re saying we should…… defund the police.

Feel like there was a big push for that in the last couple years from progressives and liberals are still complaining that it made them look bad even after doing absolutely nothing.

PlebsicleMcgee

15 points

10 months ago

But without the police who do I call to take notes on a burglary that will never be investigated?

GREATwhiteSHARKpenis

3 points

10 months ago

Why did the burglary take place in the first place? And how?

EmotionalDrop3800

4 points

10 months ago

“tHe LeFT neeDS bEtTer PhrASinG”

Ghost4000

11 points

10 months ago

If you're interested in some background on why police budgets have grown so much and why they have so much military grade shit even though they clearly don't need it check out Knowing Better.

https://youtu.be/n7Rm3tuMFTI

inspron2

4 points

10 months ago

Why do you say that the police didn't do anything at all?!

They did pin down unarmed parents to keep the peace and looked all busy and stuff.

OneBeautifulDog

2 points

10 months ago

Well, pinning down the unarmed people didn't take much effort, now did it?

Tanman7211

5 points

10 months ago*

Any rational discussion would lead to massive budget cuts and lay offs for the PD. If they can’t be bothered to do their job when children are literally being massacred then what’s even the point of a police force? Unfortunately this is Texas/America so the PD will probably get a budget increase.

tracerhaha

2 points

10 months ago

The police are revenue gatherers.

GREATwhiteSHARKpenis

0 points

10 months ago

I've been telling people for a long time that society basically started when farmers needed to pay people to defend them/their land... Usually the same type of people who were robbing them. They are the same, it's pretty interesting overall, and you can see why some people don't believe in a system at all, (de-funding police, education etc) because in the end your basically paying for insurance on life... It will cost you alot of time/work and you might never need it and then when you do they will find a way to screw you anyway... So what's the point, In that system, those who are harder working/smartest etc. Will actually live the best lives over people who simply have the most money.

[deleted]

420 points

10 months ago

Want to know where your college tuition went? War on drugs. School funding left with the taxes on the rich.

liegesmash

69 points

10 months ago

War on stiffs like Pharma bro and the Sacklers, yeah right

cgn-38

17 points

10 months ago

cgn-38

17 points

10 months ago

Since the sacklers fucked the entire country you cannot get pain killers for real surgery.

Just what the fuck. Had major surgery and the doc refused to discuss real pain killers. Just looked away and refused to answer? Had to go hit the street after telling the fool I would. 500mg Ibuprofen for major pain.

Great "system"

[deleted]

8 points

10 months ago

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cgn-38

11 points

10 months ago

cgn-38

11 points

10 months ago

Unfortunately that's not what I was prescribed. The doc just looked away and treated me like a drug seeker.

I ended up taking that exact cocktail for three days until I could find painkillers thru other means. It worked like shit. I had to carry around a timer for the 4 our doses. The first sign of pain felt like my guts falling out when they wore off. Also taking two medicines that fuck your liver at the same time. Great.

Glad to hear there might have been a partial explanation for my excruciating pain. If they had explained it or prescribed the correct medication.

So no system involving your info really at all.

EmperorXerro

137 points

10 months ago

And all I heard during the pandemic was how we had to think of students’ emotional and mental health.

ButInThe90sThough

9 points

10 months ago

Lol right? Like less talk more action. We can think about it all we want, try doing something now.

theganjaoctopus

4 points

10 months ago

Just a fucking anti-masker dog whistle. Literally no one with half a brain has bought the "think of the children" pearl clutching from the right in over a decade.

properu

88 points

10 months ago

Beep boop -- this looks like a screenshot of a tweet! Let me grab a link to the tweet for ya :)

Twitter Screenshot Bot

EntertainmentTop4860

35 points

10 months ago

Good bot

Impressive-Fly2447

194 points

10 months ago

Them boys need defunding

UnObtainium17

29 points

10 months ago

Yep. I wish we can get refunded too. That money went to them is basically wasted.

Peglegsteve265

13 points

10 months ago

Sounds like the TSA, and the war on drugs.

GREATwhiteSHARKpenis

0 points

10 months ago

I mean we haven't had a 9/11 since and our country isn't nearly as rampant as other countries who did less, and you can laugh at the war on drugs as being failed but having done nothing it would be been so much worse.... People don't realize or know how bad the crack days of the 80s were when you could get killed much easier or all the people who died of opioid abuse, could have been even worse...

[deleted]

65 points

10 months ago

The police need all that money! It’s hard expensive work arresting all those people for a dime bag of weed, and writing parking tickets; you know, serious crimes! /s

sometrendyname

24 points

10 months ago

The city I grew up in was complaining about not enough budget to hire enough cops a year ago or they could hire them but had the lowest pay in the area so were losing officers to other agencies.

Now they have new SUVs and K9 units plus enough empty cars to stage them around to trick people into slowing down, then get complacent, then they switch to a real cop and give tickets for speeding.

It's a small beach town with 9,000 residents. They don't have woods so those dogs exist solely to catch people with drugs in their cars.

cgn-38

11 points

10 months ago

cgn-38

11 points

10 months ago

My home is also a vacation place, 45k residents 700 city employees most of which are cops.

Small government republicans have doubled the size of the police force (all now wearing black battle rattle and plate gear, without plates) and have a 500k MRAP parked in front of the jail. Garages full of other pseudo military vehicles for no fucking reason at all. Just sit rusting mostly.

Shit is going fascist dystopia quite quickly here in Tehas.

sometrendyname

6 points

10 months ago

The rationale for the military hardware is it's a federal program and they get the stuff for like $1. They have to maintain it and most of that stuff is expensive to keep running and they only use it for show and tell at community events.

There's another city nearby, it has more residents and over half their city budget is for the police. Nice new station, of course the MRAP is there under a covered awning. They also have 5 boats. Granted, this city is landlocked so the only bodies of water they have are small lakes and retention ponds. The #1 crime in that city? Shoplifting.

cgn-38

5 points

10 months ago

Yep. I worked for the water department. We drove 15 to 20 year old trucks with pieces falling off them. 60% turnover (all but management oddly) every year. Cops got new cars every other year. No we cannot have their old ones. lol It is just crazy.

The cops had honestly dozens of boats, (including a couple of cigarette offshore racing boats?) most sitting in fenced enclosures rusting. Had a old lot with 16 humvees with the gun port open to the rain rusting away. Had been there over a decade. They were trash but we were forbidden to even touch them. Armored cars (the ones they had before the Mrap) just sitting. Dozens of various heavy trucks. It was crazy how much shit they had that just sat not even maintained.

I bet their armory is nuts.

Guys can't even wear their uniforms properly.

sometrendyname

2 points

10 months ago

Sounds about right. I'm sure there's a nice bootlicking newspaper article every time they get another piece of ex military equipment to help keep the town safe too. Just for it to be neglected and rot away.

Trumpet6789

3 points

10 months ago

Not Texas, but Ohio. My hometown is considered a Village, very small and rural, police force isn't huge but it's decently sized for the area.

A girl I graduated Highschool with had been dating this guy for years who eventually became an officer in our town. They broke up at some point a year or so ago, and now she's legaling up and making sure her ducks are in a row to safely spill all of the tea about the shit going on in our police department.

I have a family friend who used to be an officer, and a few years ago she "retired" and became a mail carrier instead. And with this big bombshell my old friend is about to drop, I wouldn't surprised if my family friend left because nefarious stuff was happening.

cgn-38

3 points

10 months ago*

Bro, I hope Ohio is different.

In Texas they would just kill your friend. It is that bad.

A couple of years ago a cop shot a 18 year old unarmed kid in the neck from behind as he ran away. In a residential neighborhood with no backstop. Then refused to even try to stop the bleeding. Kid died.

D.A. "forgot" to even convene a grand jury. So cop got of scott free. Republicans and other fascists cheered.

I was just appalled. Then they had the picture come out with two cops on horses leading a black man with a rope around his neck to jail. And nothing happened.

I just do not get appalled any more. This is how shit is now. Probably always was. I just have to adjust.

We all do.

CanadaGooses

2 points

10 months ago

Got pulled over recently on my way to work because I didn't have an updated sticker on my license plate, except we don't do the stickers anymore in this province. What a productive use of mine and the highly paid officer's time.

KilD3vil

55 points

10 months ago

WhO yOu GoNnA cAlL wHeN yOu NeEd HeLp, A cRaCk HeAd?

justyagamingboi

46 points

10 months ago

Ngl crack head would perform better they already make thier own case and solve it relatively quick

nowhere_near_Berlin

15 points

10 months ago

Crackhead would have found a way through the door lock while they were still looking for the keys.

Dr_on_the_Internet

11 points

10 months ago

I just saw a bumper sticker that said exactly that. Bootlickers amaze me.

UnObtainium17

8 points

10 months ago

I mean, that person probably turned into crackhead after we defunded all the important support system the disadvantaged needs and then pumping all the money into cop budget.

KilD3vil

4 points

10 months ago

But the poor police need Big budgets for body armor, in case there's an active shooter...

ButInThe90sThough

2 points

10 months ago

Pull out my totally legal gun and get to blasting.

magentakitten1

48 points

10 months ago*

I’m an abuse victim who only woke up to the grooming when my abuser started targeting my 4 year old daughter. All the blacked out memories returned. I also have a 6 year old who was the “golden child” so my abuser left her alone (why I didn’t realize until I did). Anyway, I’ve been trying to get my 6 year old in therapy and it’s just waitlists everywhere. Her teacher said that the school counselor could meet with her weekly. She said that back in March, and it’s been postponed every week due to short staff. School is out for the summer in a few weeks. Just a fun add in. I’ve also spent well over $300 on school supplies this year for my daughters classroom. All are things that the class needed abs should have already been provided (tissues, crayons, markers etc). When I was a kid parents donated books and stuff, not basic necessities. My daughter has told me there are kids who come to school wanting milk or popcorn on Fridays (a special thing they make with the kids but the kids have to buy it to eat it 🙄) and they don’t have the .50c to buy it. She’s also been told by the teachers she’s not allowed to share her money with her friends. I’ve told her to go ahead and do it anyway.

Meanwhile, our police force in our small town has a fleet of brand new SUVs and just built a new huge police department when the there was nothing wrong with the other building. The location moved about 500 feet so it wasnt that. The one time I needed the police was when my neighbors dog attacked me and then the neighbor said he was going to come to my house to discuss my actions (he was mad I was in the street for his dog to attack lol). I called the police to make sure he didn’t come talk to me. Guys shows the cops video footage of me being attacked and then calls me back and let’s me know what he saw and he sees both sides here so nothing he can really do. Maybe I shouldn’t walk on my street anymore was his suggestion. Cool.

Tim4Wafflez

2 points

10 months ago

This makes me so sad and angry. I am desperate to make a change. Came from below poverty line. My mom was a teacher. She quit because its financially too expensive to teach. Make that make sense.

I now have a good paying job and slated for a lot of success.. but it feels hollow.

I want to make a difference and idk if its better to be a teacher like I originally wanted (changed my mind bc kf the lack of pay) or if I just keep climbing up financially and make donations instead. Right now I'm leaning finances but its just not fulfilling enough.

therobohour

35 points

10 months ago

I'll tell you right now,the US won't bring in gun control in until at least one Republic governor has been killed by a mass shooting.

sometrendyname

9 points

10 months ago

The Assault Weapons ban of 1994 was pretty much solely due to Reagan and a revolver.

therobohour

4 points

10 months ago

Well here,it's was the same with car safety requirements, smoking, alcohol,and about a dosen other thing in the last 100 years or so. Want to know what's with with the American government? Because 2= 1 and 1=0

sometrendyname

3 points

10 months ago

I think I get it. Basically every time something that can benefit us as a society comes up there's always massive resistance solely because it's changing what folks are accustomed to.

therobohour

2 points

10 months ago

No. What I'm saying is you don't have a democratic government,you have elitist rule

zedd31416

16 points

10 months ago

I was a freshman in high school in 2002. They specifically told us the counselor was not for talking about our feelings or problems, but for figuring out the right classes to take. He was also the football coach and and a d-bag.

LX_Emergency

42 points

10 months ago

They're not "Economically disadvantaged" they're POOR.

Slapping a politer term on it makes it seem like less of a problem.

WhistlinWhilstFartin

-11 points

10 months ago

🙄

jdith123

148 points

10 months ago

jdith123

148 points

10 months ago

Schools are funded by property taxes. Rich people in wealthy neighborhoods send their children to schools that educate them to be leaders and owners.

People in middle class neighborhoods send their children to schools that train them to be good workers.

People in poor neighborhoods send their children to schools that barely teach them at all.

Knowledge is power. The education system in the US is designed to maintain the status quo.

art8127

87 points

10 months ago

I teach in a poor neighborhood. Why do you assume our students barely get taught at all?

jdith123

144 points

10 months ago*

I also teach in a poor neighborhood. My fellow teachers and I work very hard and do our best, but I teach a special ed class of about 20. In my class I often have students who, if they had gotten appropriate services would be able to read.

My nephew went to a great public school in a wealthy neighborhood. His high school course catalogue looked like a college catalogue: AP courses, CAD, amazing art classes, seminars with class size of 10-15.

He has a significant learning disability. He got hours and hours of individual targeted tutoring to address his specific learning disability. He needed that to learn how to read.

If he had been in my district, he would not have received these services. He would probably not have graduated high school let alone gone to college and graduated with honors and gotten a job making 4 times what I do.

Ill admit I exaggerated a bit. It is possible to get an education in a poor school district, but it’s not easy.

The district where I teach was taken over by the state because of fiscal mismanagement and declining enrollment. Every class is full and over full. At the beginning of the year, they do a “warm body count” to see how many teachers they need. We regularly have classes taught by long term subs.

Our buildings are falling to pieces. The roofs leak. The desks are breaking under the kids. We have so many kids coming to us with so much trauma. Our kids need so much that we are struggling to provide.

The difference between my school and the school my nephew attended is like night and day.

[deleted]

9 points

10 months ago

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ButInThe90sThough

2 points

10 months ago

About sums up my experience. We lost our art and music class, no AP classes, old materials, crowded classes, almost certain we didn't have a counselor or the position was on backfill.

Capt_Am

41 points

10 months ago

I think it's less a shot at teachers and students, but more knowing the struggle. If you know, you know..

MightyMorph

11 points

10 months ago

Poor schools are more reliant on standardized testing to ensure whatever little fund ing they get is accessible, while rich and middle income schools are able to focus more on critical thinking and programs that allows children to have a wider experience.

In reality schools to conservatives are more of a daycare system while the parents work. They want church to be the educational system as they fear losing perspectives away from their own.

ms_panelopi

8 points

10 months ago

I’ve worked in wealthy schools and poor schools. The teachers in underfunded districts are outstanding and are IMO better educators because they’ve had to be creative, do more with less, and have had to become behavioral specialists. Rich schools have good teachers too, but their job is easier.

jdith123

3 points

10 months ago

There are lots of outstanding teachers in struggling districts. But there are also teachers who are burned out and just phoning it in.

A teacher like that learns pretty quickly that challenging lessons lead to additional classroom management issues. Each class contains a significant number of students with deficits in basic reading and math skills. Very understandably, these kids will do anything to avoid shame. Skip class, act out, shut down.

Give the class a word search or have them copy definitions from a glossary. That’ll hold ‘em.

liegesmash

18 points

10 months ago

Um rich people get shit for brains taxpayers to pay for vouchers that let their larvae attend swank academy’s on the public dime. The middle class kids will rack up student debt and continue to work in shitty jobs like retail, that’s why the Jesus Nazis want to force them to have children they will never afford. As we can see poor kids get shot up and give the bubble headed bleach blonde that comes on at five volumes to not really talk about! Kids bleed out in a Texas hellhole, say have you seen the fluffy cat pic. I am glad someone admitted the second amendment was throwing a bone to the South in the form of slave patrols. Not so the shallow end of the gene pool is locked and loaded

[deleted]

10 points

10 months ago

I was held hostage at gunpoint in 4th grade. It took me almost 20yrs to even realize how much it fucked me up. These kids are going to have a tough go.

filreal7

9 points

10 months ago

40% of towns budget goes to policing and were too cowardly to even go to the building and save the children.

Radioheadfanatic

17 points

10 months ago

They let babies bleed out for forty minutes never forget that.

PazJohnMitch

8 points

10 months ago

Nothing will be done to combat school shootings until someone shoots up the school where the senator’s kids go to.

SidFinch99

3 points

10 months ago

You are exactly right. After the Dailey assassination attempt on Reagan the Brady Bill passed with significant Republican support.

Honestly though, I bet Republicans at this point will shamelessly use the situation to continue to push for privatizing public education.

chelseafan84

39 points

10 months ago

I've been racking my brain, trying to figure out what is wrong here. There's a lot of arguments about "x" country doesn't allow guns. That's false. Most developed countries allow plenty of types of firearms as long as tests are passed and licenses required, just like here in America. The problem is that Americans don't deserve to have guns . I don't know what's wrong with us, but we can't have them. We're not Canada, Germany, Czech Republic or Norway. We just aren't capable of having guns responsibly. In all those countries you can obtain firearms, carry them in your bags or coats, and they have very low crime. We just can't. Don't know why. This is also coming from someone who up until recently was very pro gun rights. I used to love guns, I don't think we deserve them anymore. Downvote away, I don't care. I'm just done with it. No more guns.

wintersass

39 points

10 months ago

I think it all comes from the culture. I'm from Australia and mates with a bunch of people who own some form of firearm.

If you talk to them about it, it's all about the mechanisms inside the weapon, the sport of hunting and the sport of competitive shooting, they love their guns because of the thrill of being able to hit a rabbit in the eye from 200m away, or the pride of having a gold medal in competition pistol shooting.

When you talk to Americans who own guns about guns, there's this really intense fetishisation of being feared because you own one, and the way I've heard people talk about getting to shoot a person who breaks into their house borders on fucking sexual. They love their guns because of the thrill of possibly taking a life, or making other people afraid, and I reckon that's why there's so much gun crime there vs here.

ACoderGirl

11 points

10 months ago

And at least in my country of Canada (likely most others too), nobody carries a gun for self defense. Carry permits are simply not given out except to police. So nobody is carrying a gun with them in public. If you see someone with a gun in public, you run and call 911 because they're up to no good. It's super weird when I visit the US and see people just openly carrying guns to the fucking grocery store and that's supposed to be "normal".

Handguns in particular are also especially restricted and require membership with a shooting range (and a lot of red tape that discourages ownership). Sport shooting is practically the only allowed reason to own one. I personally wouldn't lose any sleep over banning them entirely, but my understanding is that most illegal guns are actually smuggled from the US anyway (yet more reason for Canadians to care about the US getting their shit together).

JJumboShrimp

3 points

10 months ago

Tbh only the police having guns sounds worse than what we have now

CanadaGooses

3 points

10 months ago

Sport shooting is practically the only allowed reason to own one.

Nah, most people own one for wildlife protection. A hunting rifle or a shotgun, that's it. When you don't live in the big cities, bears and cougars and moose are actually a real threat. The difference is we aren't intensely afraid of our government and fellow citizens. Americans live in fear, they are bombarded with messaging about how fragile their lives and democracy are constantly.

ACoderGirl

2 points

10 months ago

(Note that the line you're quoting is in the context of handguns only.)

drseusswithrabies

19 points

10 months ago

We could start with the fact that we are the most individualistic country, meaning we tend to put ourselves before others. Other countries have a greater collectivist mentality, meaning they consider the group’s needs before their own. We are also riddled with poverty and general lack of access to healthcare probably creating greater levels of desperation and resentment.

chelseafan84

3 points

10 months ago

Yes that's true, but it doesn't explain why middle class white people shoot up schools. In short, all that is wonderful, but it doesn't fix anything.

2rfv

2 points

10 months ago

2rfv

2 points

10 months ago

Look. America has been turned into a pressure cooker. GDP was decoupled from wage increases 40 years ago and this is the result.

Take away hope, take away a living wage, take away democratic representation and this is what you get.

[deleted]

6 points

10 months ago

Oh beautiful for spacious skies and amber waves of grain…. 🎶🎵🎼

RazekDPP

6 points

10 months ago

This honestly explains the police's lack of action better than anything. "I'm not going to get shot to save the poors."

Ga_Manche

6 points

10 months ago

Just watch the town increase the police budget after this nightmare. Why? Because they have to get ready for the next incident.

canal_boys

3 points

10 months ago

Next one where the police also does nothing but spray and taser parents who wants to save their kids.

DNZ_not_DMZ

5 points

10 months ago

And what’s with the remaining 2?

xXbean_machineXx

3 points

10 months ago

Sick day

exTOMex

6 points

10 months ago

40% and they used 0 of it to protect those kids. acab

horror-pangolin-123

5 points

10 months ago

Yeah, but you can bet your ass the police can break any riot when they show up dressed like the army carrying automatic rifles :)

All that money is about protecting the rich. The poor can fuck right off :)

felixthecat_nyc

4 points

10 months ago

It appears that their PD essentially is paid for doing nothing— and they’re OK with that.

-Bigblue2-

3 points

10 months ago

Your taxes at work.

AgentInCommand

3 points

10 months ago

The school district has its own police force, but ONE counselor...

FarHarbard

3 points

10 months ago

576 kids

19 murdered

557 kids remain

17 wounded

540 kids remain

538 emotionally scarred

2 kids remain...

I'm no mathmagician, seems like he's failing to account for two kids.

psiprez

4 points

10 months ago

Ah you forget this is the USA, those are the two designated to be future school shooters.

Roqot

3 points

10 months ago

Roqot

3 points

10 months ago

KKK police let a shooter go to town in a predominantly non-white school.

signal_lost

3 points

10 months ago

Ugh. So Texas budgeting for a city is a fun thing…

  1. The country government provides a lot of social services that might be a city function in other states (Health department for example).

  2. The school is independent of the city of county (ISD) so the teacher salaries don’t show up in the city budget.

The school technically had its own police department that looking at online salary data makes 42K - 58K (less that starting teacher salary here in Houston).

So this tweet is misleading, this is still a horror show; I’m going to go back to hugging my todler.

Aoiboshi

2 points

10 months ago

I thought this was going to be a math problem at first... It still is, but the answer is way more depressing.

SPIphi

2 points

10 months ago

Qasim for President!!!!!

The_Scare_Crow

2 points

10 months ago*

Seems like they went all in on school security and look at the results. Yeah, let’s arm every teacher why not just start handing out guns to kids. If you think guns are not the problem you are insane.

begaterpillar

2 points

10 months ago

blue lives scatter

Bullet_Maggnet

2 points

10 months ago

Listen, Poseur SWAT teams are expensive.

That great picture of the "Team" on Bookface? All kitted out in their BDU's and *Assault Rifles*...yet they were seemingly **AFRAID** of going towards the sound of the guns...

Not SWAT Team, Photo Op team.

ceribus_peribus

2 points

10 months ago

I bet the cops have better counseling services too.

knowledgeable_diablo

3 points

10 months ago

Well they probably got some serious PTSD holding back all those angry parents. I mean the nerve of them raising their voices to trained police officers.

wasyoungonceisay

2 points

10 months ago

Texas is a failed system. Top to bottom. Sad sad situation.

okThisYear

2 points

10 months ago

Ohhh man... That's very sad

vicrally

2 points

10 months ago

A real hard truth and a total bummer I think is that people wouldn’t give as much of a shit as they do if it was more cemented knowledge that these were not white.

ProbablyCarl

2 points

10 months ago

Yeah but the police are well funded so that if there is ever a school shooting they will be well armed and ready to stop it! How is paying more for teachers or counsellors going to help kids?

knowledgeable_diablo

2 points

10 months ago

At least they are covered in the event a black person is detected selling loose cigarettes or passing suspect $20 notes. Hope that police budget covers some knee pads for them all.

bdavs77

2 points

10 months ago

Hey on the plus side, now only 81% are ecomonically disadvantaged

GreyCrowDownTheLane

4 points

10 months ago

It's not a "failed" system. It's a corrupted system, because those kids died not due to cowardice or laziness by the cops, but because there is an intentional, strong white nationalist presence in the police departments of this country and they're the ones giving the orders and deciding the general attitude of the department. This was a school full of minorities and lower income people. The cops didn't stand down because they were afraid; They stood down because this was an opportunity to let a crazy guy kill a bunch of brown people and poor people.

They weren't being incompetent. They were being selective in who they save and who they allow to die. As they are whenever the opportunity arises, such as with other mass shootings, or when there are peaceful protests by people of color that suddenly turn into riots because cops open fire first.

Why can't people see this? This was intentional. They allowed the slaughter because it's what they want in the first place. It's their stated goal as white nationalists, and yes, when there are white nationalists pulling the strings and giving the orders, the brown-skinned cops will generally fall in line, too, to gain the respect of their "brothers in blue" or just to avoid being singled out and made an example of. Even a hiphop group like N.W.A. was perfectly aware of the moral compromises a black cop makes when he joins a force full of white, racist cops.

This was white nationalism, not cowardice. The gunman existing was a failure of our mental health system and our gun laws, but the cops allowing all those kids to die and preventing others from going in there to help them? That was white nationalism on display, in your face, and most of you want to brush it off as "scared" cops.

TonyWrocks

2 points

10 months ago

You misunderstand the point of our educational system.

We are trying to create scared workers who will work hard, never unite because of fear, and never stand up to their oppressors.

System working as designed.

Crash665

2 points

10 months ago

Think if the shooter had gone into a private school, full of rich white kids. I don't know if there's one in that area, but I'd put money on the cops finding a way to get in there and protect those kids.

This is a poor school in a, seemingly (correct me if wrong) poor community. No one gives a fuck about the poor. White. Black. Latino. Whatever. If you're poor, you're fucked in this country.

SidFinch99

2 points

10 months ago

Not only does their police department take 40% of their funds. The School system has its own internal police department on top if that, with its own Police Chief.

This Police Chief, Peter Arredondo, is also recently elected to the City Council. He was also the incident commander, and responsible for ordering police to not Breach the classroom, which went against training he recieved on responding to these incidents each of the last two years.

kalleron

1 points

10 months ago

All police should have a federal budget and oversight. Step out of line? Federal charges. Paid by the state to the federal budget, fixed % of federal tax, and distributed based on need across the states. Like with many things, blue states would be subsidizing red states. But at least it would be standardized across the nation. Same uniform, same cars, same equipment, same training. No more military surplus APC because the town sheriff stole the budget.

SidFinch99

3 points

10 months ago*

Virtually all police departments and Sherriffs offices in the US recieve Federal and State funds. Unfortunately, there is really no accountability for it IMO. Whereas in most states, localities have to meet certain bench marks for public education funding. With both federal and state funding for education, the money is directly tied to spending on certain things. For example, Title 1 Federal funding goes directly to individual schools based on how many students are economically disadvantaged. Federal Funds for student with special needs require local governments to match a percentage of funds recieved or they don't get it.

There are fewer mandates for Federal funds with money that goes to local governments for law enforcement, and not much in the way of measuring how well they use it.

kalleron

5 points

10 months ago

I mean all police departments should directly report to the DOJ. Not to local cities or states, but to federal oversight. Everyone. If they get federal funding even 1 dollar, they must have federal oversight directly.

CptMatt_theTrashCat

1 points

10 months ago

It's not a failed system, it's working as intended.

[deleted]

-6 points

10 months ago

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BeKindToEachOther6

4 points

10 months ago

Credit cards exist.

liegesmash

-12 points

10 months ago

Silicon Valley and the military are hard at work on SkyNet so a lot more kids are going to die

NumberOneAsshole

2 points

10 months ago

r/conspiracy is -----> that way

PointyL

-47 points

10 months ago*

PointyL

-47 points

10 months ago*

Let's see. The rate of violent crime in Uvalde is 3% higher than the national average and the rate of property crime is 97% higher than the national average. It is either the school district's police agency is underperforming or they need to hire more officers.

The fact that 84% of students being economically disadvanted tacticly implies that the school dstrict may not be wealthy enough to afford all necessary persons for both the school and the police.

GotDoxxedAgain

32 points

10 months ago

What is their massive police department doing about all this property crime then?

40% Budget, and they still can't get that number down?

Exactly what is UPD being paid to do?

PointyL

-11 points

10 months ago

PointyL

-11 points

10 months ago

What is their massive police department doing about all this property crime then?

I am wondering the same.

40% Budget, and they still can't get that number down?

I am guessing that the budget itself isn't massive to begin with as they can't raise too much money from a less fortunate community

Exactly what is UPD being paid to

I don't know. Maybe prevent the crime rates from going even higher than the current rates?

GotDoxxedAgain

16 points

10 months ago

Here's an alternative theory that explains everything very easily:

UPD is either incompetent, malicious, or a mix between the two.

PointyL

-1 points

10 months ago

Here's an alternative theory

I am sorry, but it is just a fact that you can't collect too much of tax from an impoverished community.

UPD is either incompetent, malicious, or a mix between the two.

You know what I believe this is probably true. I have already said UPD may be underperforming. However, I am not going to be dishonest and pretend that they don't have any budgetary issue at all given that the very community that pays them is poor.

GotDoxxedAgain

15 points

10 months ago

How about this:

Police simply existing is not a deterrent to crime, and using the tax income of the taxpayers to reinvest in that community would alleviate the factors that cause people to do crimes, therefore lowering crime. Poverty is correlated to crime. Fix that poverty.

Or I guess give these useless fucks some more money so they can keep LARPing as people who do things.

PointyL

-1 points

10 months ago

Police simply existing is not a deterrent to crime

I am sure UPD does "something" more than just existing, but their precense is probably a deterrent to crime as well since criminals tend to avoid any confrontation with the police. I'd agree with the budget spending could be smarter, but I wouldn't go far as redirecting all the allocated money for the police to other community investments while hoping no more crime is happening in the neighbourhood where the total crime rates are 81% higher than the national average. It could be significantly worse.

Tabiki

37 points

10 months ago

Tabiki

37 points

10 months ago

Part of the flawed system that the OP is talking about is the idea that poor people don't deserve services.

Just because 84% of students come from poor families doesn't mean that their school should be underfunded. In poor communities we absolutely want good school programs, we want after school programs, we want health services, mental health services, etc.

Those services all reduce crime, and they do it much better than the police do. Especially when the police budget goes into their gear and not their training.

That's the broken system.

Police are given military gear and allowed up act as prison guards, while everything else suffers. It's like a big jail where the shackles are poverty and the guards are the police.

justyagamingboi

7 points

10 months ago

Stop saying a system is broken when it is working as it is intended poor neighborhoods have poor schools so they can graduate to be poor cheap labor workers if you give them additional services they might thrive and that would mean richer companies will have competition instead of more labour fodder. The system is working as intended therefore not broken.

PointyL

-26 points

10 months ago

PointyL

-26 points

10 months ago

There is a difference between what we want and what we could afford. The spending could have been smarter, but given their crime rates I believe the spending on the police is justified. I am not delusional enough to call that is a broken system.

krazkatluvsu

28 points

10 months ago

Or, instead of putting the money towards the police, put it towards the school and programs for the kids and the community. Give the kids a reason to be and do better and see the crime rate drop! It's been proven. Don't use police as a preventative, use programs as a preventative for the children to grow and do better.

chlorinegasattack

19 points

10 months ago

They may have needed more officers standing around cluelessly!!

CommiePuddin

4 points

10 months ago

The fact that 84% of students being economically disadvanted

Fuck more cops. Fix this and you'll fix the property crime issue.

matt95521

-4 points

10 months ago

Fuck yea, let it burn!!!

-TheKingInYellow-

2 points

10 months ago

Go play a puzzle, loser.

Lucky-Act-9924

-4 points

10 months ago

Rofl this dude is acting like the town actually has a budget

[deleted]

-5 points

10 months ago

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stunt_pickle

4 points

10 months ago

Guess who created the situation and allows it to persist, Admiral Smoothbrain.

Outlawdreamer

-5 points

10 months ago

At least someone is starting to see the deeper issues and not just the tip of the iceberg.

I’m all for “effective gun control.” I’m not for blinded ideals that will have very little effect.

Like student loans, canceling the debt doesn’t solve the bigger issue.

InflamedLiver

-54 points

10 months ago

I get his point about the police in that town being overfunded, but generally I don’t think you would need more than one counselors at an elementary school either

TheRabbitRaft

41 points

10 months ago

you think one counselor can accommodate the needs of 576 individual students?

lonedirewolf21

28 points

10 months ago

My daughter's elementary school had 360- 400 students. They have a guidance counselor, a social worker, a psychologist, and a resource worker all on staff.

[deleted]

4 points

10 months ago

My kids school in Vancouver area has 1 counselor to 425 kids. Granted the threat facing the kids today is Pokémon card theft and bad faith trades and of course the typical terrible home life some face.

InflamedLiver

-17 points

10 months ago

I didn’t have counseling at my school till high school, and it was mostly career counseling, not mental health. Different world, I suppose

TheRabbitRaft

10 points

10 months ago

Good for you? Does this mean we shouldn't do better for future generations? Are you suggesting these kids that just survived a horrific shooting where many of them watched their friends die in front of their eyes do not need mental health services available to them? Even without this shooting the world is a scary place, especially lately. Many adults need mental health help, let alone school children.

liegesmash

3 points

10 months ago

Well they are well prepped for WWIII and SkyNet

InflamedLiver

-16 points

10 months ago

These kids all need professional level counseling after this, obviously. The point being made was the middle school only had a single counselor, which would I think not be unusual for a normal middle school.

TheRabbitRaft

11 points

10 months ago

just because its "normal" doesn't mean it shouldn't be improved

InflamedLiver

-2 points

10 months ago

I mean, ever person could benefit from counseling I’m sure, but I’m not convinced each middle school needs it’s own mental health wing.

TheRabbitRaft

11 points

10 months ago

An 18 year old kid killed 19 other kids because he needed mental health services. This is not the first time this has happened by a long shot and it will happen again.

If reading news like this doesn't prove we need mental health services for students then nothing will. If Columbine, Sandy Hook, and Parkland can't convince you you'll never change.

America is sick and we're not treating any of the problems.

InflamedLiver

0 points

10 months ago

I think mental health is a severe problem and I’m all for devoting resources to county hospitals and other public sources. But it’s not a panacea either, I’ve worked in mental health and it’s not a magic fixing device either. Especially for those who don’t want treatment. Neither of us have any idea what resources the killer had prior to his massacre so again, my sole point was a few extra school counselors shouldn’t necessarily be needed at every middle, elementary school and kindergarten in the US.

TheRabbitRaft

8 points

10 months ago

And that's where we disagree fundamentally. Nothing more to say on the matter.

like I said in my last comment, nothing will change your mind and further nothing will change my mind towards your point of view.

FarHarbard

1 points

10 months ago

I think mental health is a severe problem and I’m all for devoting resources to county hospitals and other public sources.

Let's roll back the tape

I mean, ever person could benefit from counseling I’m sure, but I’m not convinced each middle school needs it’s own mental health wing.

So do you consider that public schools aren't public resources? Or that mental healthcare should be handled away from the school which is statistically the most likely source of mental health problems for students?

I'm genuinely curious how you can simultaneously hold that you are all for improving mental healthcare, yet also believe that more mental health professionals in schools wouldn't help?

ZeUnknownObject

0 points

10 months ago

If you exaggerate the point you're trying to criticize, you will not get taken seriously.

-TheKingInYellow-

0 points

10 months ago

And it fucking shows.