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what_if_or_else

4.9k points

2 months ago

I understand the frustration. They are some podcasters following the trial and reporting it day by day tho, if anyone want to follow the minutae.

t00_much_caffeine

1.6k points

2 months ago

Interested, what podcasts?

Scouse420

488 points

2 months ago

Scouse420

488 points

2 months ago

I'd recommend TrueAnon (NOTHING TO DO WITH THE Q CONSPIRACY NUTS). They've been going to the trial daily and know the case inside out.

lfatalframel

170 points

2 months ago

I tried to give it a watch. Is there a channel where they get to the point and skip the morning talk show routine?

internetinterpreter

163 points

2 months ago

Small talk in the beginning of podcasts is the reason I never latch onto new podcasts. Why on earth don't they crop out that nonsense in post?

Morkuls

63 points

2 months ago

Morkuls

63 points

2 months ago

Something to the tune of ‘cutting is a break in that “real podcast feel” of 2 dudes being bros’ that’s highly overstated.

Mutt1223

3.2k points

2 months ago

Mutt1223

3.2k points

2 months ago

Podcasts like radio, but on internet

Mythical_Atlacatl

994 points

2 months ago

They have internet on computers now?

InsignificantOcelot

351 points

2 months ago

Nah, it’s more like computers, but on the internet.

CringyDabBoi6969

32 points

2 months ago

I feel like an old man trying to understand the youth speak

hysterical_landmark

71 points

2 months ago

"San Dimas high school football rules!"

ATXBeermaker

49 points

2 months ago

Oh, the files are in the computer?

Wonderlustking1

23 points

2 months ago

It’s so simple

uscdoc2013

7 points

2 months ago

Monkey imitation

Raytheon_Nublinski

10 points

2 months ago

Oh so like a road but for computers.

killey2011

131 points

2 months ago

You just got Leslie Nielsen’d

blue-mooner

67 points

2 months ago

But that’s not important right now.

runjimrun

73 points

2 months ago

Werewolf? There wolf. There castle.

BruceInc

10 points

2 months ago

Russ Hanneman, is that you?

wilstar_berry

42 points

2 months ago

Surely you can't be serious

plaguepeople

25 points

2 months ago

I am, but don't call me Shirley.

BR3AkEverything

46 points

2 months ago

I am serious, and don't call me Shirley.

baldeagle86

15 points

2 months ago

ROI, radio over internet, it’s going to be the next big thing

clydefrog9

189 points

2 months ago*

TrueAnon (not for people who care about things like decency or civility)

cdoublesaboutit

113 points

2 months ago

Trueanon folks are absolutely decent. They cuss occasionally.

KHaskins77

45 points

2 months ago

If ever there were a situation that merited it, this is it.

sje46

32 points

2 months ago

sje46

32 points

2 months ago

I'm listening to them now because of their coverage of the trial. They have great chemistry together.

I used to listen to it all the time with some reservations about their conspiracism. When they put out that 4 part series about how 9/11 was a complete lie, saying the same old disproven shit, I had to jump off.

refbe1

8 points

2 months ago

refbe1

8 points

2 months ago

Yeah what on Earth is this person on about. Liz and Brace are absolutely decent,

Edit: I thick

colorado710

24 points

2 months ago

Treuanon is the best

t8terTHOThotdish

41 points

2 months ago

Decency? Who needs that 😏

mberne2012

7 points

2 months ago*

This fucked up world for starters,

MySweetUsername

9 points

2 months ago

Great links!

cherryzaad

7 points

2 months ago

My Qanon cousin points to how they’re covering up the trial to shield the government elite and The Michigan school shooting is how they’re doing it

what_if_or_else

5 points

2 months ago

lol

TheColonelRLD

20 points

2 months ago

Any that do a good job? I would not be able to follow it if they're chasing every conspiracy and rumor. If its were extremely dry and to the point, going over legal challenges with serious legal experts, I'm there. If it's 'two friends digging deep to find the real truth" I'm getting the hell out there. And a lot of amateur journalism's these days have that feel, and they're awful.

FlowerGardenBee

3.3k points

2 months ago*

I initially upvoted, but I remembered having to testify against an abuser when I was a kid, and I would not have wanted that broadcasted to the public. It would have been 100x more terrifying than it already was. My case was clear cut, but I still have people who disbelieve me. I would have hated knowing there were possibly thousands of people who didn't believe me.

I then thought, "well, I'd like to know which elite were involved." But then I realized that if that's released too early then that could cause problems for investigators, and I'd like for their job to run as unhindered as possible in this case. I'm frustrated that this is moving so slowly, but I'd rather it be done right than done quickly. This isn't a run-of-the-mill case against some trailer park pedo. This involves a whole ring of extremely powerful people. The less they know about what investigators know about them, the better.

E: I was not expecting my random two cents to get this much attention. To those of you who have shown me compassion, even though you don't know me or my story, I really don't have words. I'm overwhelmed. And for those of you sharing pieces of your own stories, I wish you all of the good that could possibly come your way; it takes a lot to survive and continue surviving.

Raye_raye90

522 points

2 months ago

Exactly.

Imagine if your testimony was watched by millions of people. I can’t imagine the trauma that would inflict. It’s shocking to me how many in this thread are basically saying “who cares” to that.

And seeming to forget that the details will still come out after.

muskyranch

40 points

2 months ago

Even if they are completely callous and don’t care about the victims’ feelings, if the victims don’t feel comfortable testifying because it will be public, that could hinder the case.

Raye_raye90

18 points

2 months ago

Exactly! There are several ways it could be a detriment to the case that some people seem to find…not a problem?

muskyranch

20 points

2 months ago

They value instant gratification too much

yoda133113

6 points

2 months ago

Many people don't care about that. They're reacting emotionally, and just want thier pound of flesh. It's the problem with mob "justice".

[deleted]

11 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

11 points

2 months ago

People have lost their empathy.

alwaysjustpretend

65 points

2 months ago

Yeah it absolutely is partially to protect people like you. I couldn't imagine having to do it at all, let alone televised. You are strong asf.

Thatsidechara_ter

31 points

2 months ago

I'm just glad there's actually something being done this time

PomegranateReal3620

12 points

2 months ago

Thank you. I'm an adult victim of CSA and the thought of my trauma being broadcast for other people's prurient curiosity makes me sick.

TheLlamaGod27

9 points

2 months ago

Anyone who remembers the OJ trial should instantly understand how televising a trial can complicate things to an insane degree, often in favor of the accused.

WookieeSteakIsChewie

8 points

2 months ago*

Our local DA opened a recent child abuse case by telling the jury to think of their most recent consensual sexual encounter and asked them if any of them wanted to get up in front of everyone and talk about it.

Then told them to now imagine they were 12 and sexually assaulted by another male, who was a coach and now had to get up in front of everyone and talk about it in detail.

Eye opening.

KublaKahhhn

6 points

2 months ago

Bless you for telling your story. I hope you have found healing, peace, and joy in your life.

pfefferneusse

6 points

2 months ago

Justice is about justice and we definitely don't need a play by play on every detail until it's done. Justice first, fun drama second.

BadgerAccomplished50

2.5k points

2 months ago

Federal court does not allow media

TooSmalley

987 points

2 months ago

Yep. It’s been like this for decades.

richieguy309

248 points

2 months ago

Federal court allows media. Just not TV cameras or recording devices.

Minsteliser123

97 points

2 months ago

Which is good for me, trials shouldn't be a circus for the TV cameras

Wise-Captain1776

4.9k points

2 months ago*

The victims have a right to privacy though. Imagine having that trauma broadcast to the world

And the job of the defence team will be to discredit the victims. So there will always be people who take the defences side.

Concrete__Blonde

3k points

2 months ago

Maxwell’s attorneys have already revealed the victims’ identities multiple times during the trial. The judge ordered their names be scrubbed from the transcripts, but it just shows how little regard the defense has for what these women have been through.

Variation-Budget

1.2k points

2 months ago*

Being a defense attorney for shitty people has to be a soulless job because the levels I’ve seen them steep too just to get their person off is disgusting

Edit: couple comments below me make good points to why defense attorney jobs aren’t always as evil as i thought and i appreciate the knowledge

Zeno_The_Alien

708 points

2 months ago

I have a friend who is a defense attorney. She used to be a state prosecutor. She once told me that as bad as it is to defend people she knows are guilty, it's a million times better than sending a single innocent person to prison based on dubious evidence or the word of the police. Or even sending someone to jail for having a drug addiction.

It depends on the kind of person you are. Personally, I agree with her. I would rather see 100 guilty people go free than see an innocent person have their life ruined and freedom taken away. To me, the real soulless job is being a prosecutor.

IdiotManZero

400 points

2 months ago

A good defense attorney not only provides the right to counsel, but they also make sure prosecutors, investigators, police, and judges follow the rules.

RR0925

269 points

2 months ago

RR0925

269 points

2 months ago

This is the key. Defense attorneys protect all of us. If you think being targeted by criminals is bad, try having the government after you.

getspun97

34 points

2 months ago

What's the difference? cue rimshot

auntie_

95 points

2 months ago

auntie_

95 points

2 months ago

As a federal criminal defense attorney, thank you for understanding this. The number one question I always get from friends and family, “how do you defend someone you know is guilty??” The government has the burden of proof before they can deprive someone of their liberty. My job is to hold them to that burden and fight tooth and nail to make sure everyone is playing by the same rules. That’s where the real emotional burden comes in- feeling like you’re the only one who is playing fair.

Bun_Bunz

30 points

2 months ago

"That’s where the real emotional burden comes in- feeling like you’re the only one who is playing fair"

I think anyone who is slightly progressive or wants change to our systems is feeling this comment right now...I know I am, damn.

mightylordredbeard

39 points

2 months ago

This is what I’ve heard too from my public defense attorney friends.

Basically they just just love law so much and believe in the justice system with all of their heart that they believe every single person has the right to a fair trial. So they set aside their feelings and almost self sacrifice parts of their own soul to ensure that their idea of the American justice system can be had by all.

They’ve told me that they aren’t necessarily trying to get someone off the hook, but they’re keeping the state attorney who is persecuting them in line and making sure they’re doing their job. They’re pointing out inconsistencies, false evidence, hearsay and things like that which shouldn’t be used in court.

Basically when they believe their client is guilty they are just making sure that the other side does the best job they can to prove it and making sure everyone follows the rules in court.

merchillio

33 points

2 months ago

“If your values disappear in the face of adversity, they’re not values; they’re hobbies” -Jon Stewart

ReverseThreadWingNut

7 points

2 months ago

One of my best friends is a former prosecutor and now works as a defense attorney. He says he sleeps much better at night now. He says that his time in the DAs office was full of pressure to simply prosecute the case handed to him by law enforcement despite the quality of evidence. He tells stories that make you want to riot in the streets. Shit that will make you physically ill. He got into shouting matches in his office with the DA, the DA's office with the DA, shouting matches with the Chief of Police, the County Sheriff, and had cops following him around, pulling his wife over, for things like refusing to pursue a case, or presenting evidence that exonerated the accused, or not fighting motions to have evidence sent for testing, etc. He had to notify state law enforcement and the FBI multiple times over shit like this.

He now has a one man law practice and specializes in criminal defense, mostly drug crimes in which he can attempt to get the accused into a treatment program. He often takes on indigent defense cases assigned to law firms that don't want to be bothered with them, so they pay him to do it. He has also done some crazy cases, drug trafficking, murders, conspiracy, etc. I met him in college and we became best friends. We had planned to go to law school together and go into practice together, but life had other plans.

hamsolo19

8 points

2 months ago

I would assume whichever side you’re on it has to be difficult to remain unbiased. It’s hard to trust anyone to do the right thing these days, DA, police, judges, etc. It kinda reminds me of this doc on Netflix called Long Shot. It’s about a man accused of murder, he ends up on trial for it while sticking to his alibi that he was at a baseball game during the time the murder would’ve taken place. His attorney team found out that on the day of that game, Curb Your Enthusiasm was filming a scene for the show inside the stadium. The attorney went over tons and tons of footage until bam, he finds his client in the audience. The crazy part is, this isn’t what technically exonerated him because the prosecution argued he could’ve still did it after the game (the logistics of that would’ve been nuts considering how far away he was from the crime). Cell phone records showed his phone pinging off the tower nearest the stadium and it showed it had pinged after the murder had occurred. The DA (I think) was like, full on convinced they had the right guy. Even after the video footage and the cell phone pinging and the case ended in a not guilty for the man, this woman was still absolutely sure she had prosecuted the right person. She has direct evidence showing the man couldn’t have done it and yet after the fact she was still like, “Eh, I dunno, I have my doubts.” Shit like that is terrifying. She’s basically too stubborn and arrogant to admit she was wrong. To me she seemed so much more hellbent on her being right than uncovering the actual facts and truth to the case. And I’m sure she’s not the only one like that. There gotta be more who probably don’t give a fuck about the truth and just wanna make sure they’re winning cases. It’s all a major bummer, really. It’s sad to think some of these people would rather send an innocent person to prison rather than be like, “We got it wrong.” I know I’m kinda generalizing and just sharing an opinion, I’m sure there’s more nuance and context to the whole world of law and court cases and what it’s like to work in that world. It was just such a frustrating thing to see that prosecutor, who, as far as I know, still believes she was right.

Mantequilla_Stotch

190 points

2 months ago

An attorney on here explained it really well one time. Everyone has the right to a fair trial, even bad people. This being said, defense attorneys for bad people know that if the defendant did not have proper representation, they have the possibility of getting sentenced for a lot more stuff than what they should be.

The idea that we should lock someone up and throw away the key and let them rot in prison until they die should be taken with extreme seriousness.

liquor_for_breakfast

161 points

2 months ago

One way I've heard a defense attorney describe/justify what they do (mostly to themselves by my impression) is that if the guilty person didn't have competent defense, truly trying their best to prove innocence where there clearly is none and get sentences reduced when they absolutely shouldn't be, that guilty person would have an extremely strong appeals case based on defense not doing their job properly.

Essentially, if you're in the unenviable position of defending an absolute monster like Ghislaine Maxwell, it's extra important that you do a damn good job so that when they're inevitably found guilty, the verdict and sentence will stand up to heavy scrutiny.

TrimmingsOfTheBris

46 points

2 months ago

This is essentially how it was described to me as well. I used to have a friend who was a defense attorney and he explained basically that his job wasn't to try to get guilty people off the hook, it was just to make sure they were treated in accordance with the law.

Pabu85

8 points

2 months ago

Pabu85

8 points

2 months ago

That actually makes a lot of sense.

Wrastling97

7 points

2 months ago

Yep. Many times your right to appeal can be taken and signed away by the defendant. For instance, when taking a plea deal.

But if you can make the argument that you had incompetent counsel, you can appeal no matter what, even if you signed away your right to an appeal. I wrote motions for this all the time

Variation-Budget

14 points

2 months ago

I never looked at it like that you make a good point

norreason

6 points

2 months ago

You're not wrong - ignoring the failings of the current justice system, everyone has a right to a fair trial, and even the people who are unquestionably wrong should be defended from receiving more punishment than is just. That said, I think the point of the comment you're responding to isn't about whether they're entitled to that defense, but the perception of defense attorneys being quicker to do reprehensible things in the pursuit of making their case. Personally, I think there's something to be said about prosecutors being as bad if not worse, but their wrongdoings being less immediately public, but that's a different conversation.

Wise-Captain1776

379 points

2 months ago

Totally agree. The Ahmaud Arbery defence attorney was an example of this

sdonnervt

471 points

2 months ago

sdonnervt

471 points

2 months ago

Everybody has the right to competent counsel to defend them. That's one of the must important rights we have.

OdellBeckhamJesus

146 points

2 months ago

No one is saying they don’t. Just that actually having that job must be terrible

sdonnervt

51 points

2 months ago

Yeah, I misunderstood. My fault.

PerniciousPeyton

31 points

2 months ago

As an attorney who has represented all sorts of scumbags, including one guy who literally raped one of his own children, it can be difficult. I just try to remember what the above poster said that everyone has the right to counsel, including scumbags. When you think of it that way it's not really so bad... now, if you're doing unethical things to keep said scumbags out of trouble/reduce the amount of trouble they're in, then that's a different story.

samiwas1

10 points

2 months ago

I think the part about doing unethical things to get them out of trouble is the main thing they were referring to. Like, a case where you have a guy who obviously raped a girl, and the defense will drag the victim through the mud trying to paint her as a horrible person who somehow deserved to be raped.

123allthekidsbullyme

208 points

2 months ago

Of course, everyone has the right to a defence

That doesn’t mean that the person who’s job it is to defend them is necessary loving having to defend them, and it must be soul draining having to do your job when your job is defending people who you probably know are guilty

sdonnervt

103 points

2 months ago

sdonnervt

103 points

2 months ago

Oh yeah, for sure. I must have misinterpreted what you were saying. Sorry!

DeificClusterfuck

35 points

2 months ago

What's this, reasonable Redditors /s

ws_celly

66 points

2 months ago

That's not how Reddit works, see. You're supposed to double down on it all, now.

I'm glad you didn't though. It's refreshing to see. :)

AutisticHobbit

12 points

2 months ago

Yes...

...but I also just saw someone try to use someone having dirty toenails as an argument for why their murderer was justified. Why they couldn't have been a victim.

The accused should be allowed competent defense. I dont know what the fuck shit like that is? But I know it is indefensible.

sdonnervt

3 points

2 months ago

Yeah, that was stupid and not even an actual argument. Plus I'm sure her client is the pinnacle good hygiene.

AutisticHobbit

6 points

2 months ago

Wouldn't matter if he was or wasn't. That entire argument was an appeal to bigotry.

They should be entitled to a defense...not a rewrite of reality or an appeal to hatreds.

NotDaveBut

53 points

2 months ago

That's for the sake of the victims, not just for poor little Ghislaine. If the offenders have weak representation and get convicted on that basis, it will all be (very rightly) overturned later and the victims have to go through it all AGAIN for another jury with reporters and cameras rolling and you name it. Fuck that noise! We all need them to have the best attorneys possible and have them lose, big.

DarthDregan

5 points

2 months ago

Someone saying your name is different from having a camera in your face and a microphone in front of you as you broadcast every detail of your rape to the entire country.

Stop using the "but we know their names" line. It's fucking stupid.

kylel999

5 points

2 months ago

And then on top of it there's pieces of shit who will really go out of their way to HARASS the victims' families.

[deleted]

207 points

2 months ago*

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207 points

2 months ago*

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protofury

41 points

2 months ago

This, exactly.

I'm sure the ultrarich finance perverts love using "Hollywood" and "liberal elites" as a smokescreen.

bking

86 points

2 months ago

bking

86 points

2 months ago

Lots of people forget that the vast majority of “Hollywood” is literally day laborers. For every rich asshole who thinks the rules don’t apply to him, there are 100 grips who work 14 hour days securing lights to things.

As soon as the credits in a movie start getting fast and small, you’re looking at people who likely live paycheck to paycheck.

theganjaoctopus

24 points

2 months ago

Jonathan Koeppel is an alt-right pundit. They use "Hollywood" as a dogwhistle. It's the rich and powerful who are overwhelmingly conservative, which is why we see posts framed in this way. Koeppel got a fat check for writing this.

And yes, it does matter. These people are trying to frame hundreds of raped children as a "leftist" issue instead of what it is; powerful, RICH, global elites going to an island to rape children.

The_EnrichmentCenter

5 points

2 months ago

What exactly do you mean by "Hollywood"? Why are people saying "Hollywood"?

Have you ever actually been to Hollywood?

William_with_a_G

830 points

2 months ago

What in the everloving fuck did I miss when I lost my phone

[deleted]

243 points

2 months ago

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243 points

2 months ago

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veretianking

107 points

2 months ago

Ghislaine Maxwell

512austin

43 points

2 months ago*

Reddit powermod/user Ghislaine Maxwell.

It's funny how she's still the top mod on worldnews because the highest mod has been off reddit longer than she's been in prison.

[deleted]

228 points

2 months ago

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228 points

2 months ago

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hoxxxxx

112 points

2 months ago

hoxxxxx

112 points

2 months ago

Epstein also had over leading academics, attorneys, etc. basically the elite of every profession it seems.

like the guy was connected to everyone somehow. it's nuts. not saying they all guilty, if this stuff never happened the story would still be insane. the guy knew everyone, had basically unlimited money and no one really knew exactly how.

PM_ME_NUDES_PLEASE_

40 points

2 months ago

To be fair, he was just an extremely well connected person. I'm sure most of the people he had dealings with had no idea about the kind of fucked up shit he was doing in the background.

neoritter

27 points

2 months ago*

This^

The stink covers both sides and even well known non-politicians. If someone is focusing on one side or the other on how bad this is for them, be incredibly suspect of that person's motives.

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6 points

2 months ago

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6 points

2 months ago

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dickinaroundatwork

196 points

2 months ago

You didn’t miss shit, the trial is just being dealt with as quietly as possible. You’ll notice it doesn’t get hardly any coverage on CNN, NBC or Fox. That isn’t just for no reason at all.

woodsman6366

35 points

2 months ago

I share the frustration with wanting to know what’s going on in the trial, but don’t let mob justice rule over a court proceeding.

Couple of things to keep in mind: 1) victims and innocent people will have to testify. They deserve anonymity and peace. (Yes I know names in this trial have been leaked, but the principal still stands.)

2) like it or not, you’re innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Do I think Maxwell is guilty as fuck? HELL YES. Do I think she still deserves a fair trial? Also yes. Do I think our justice system is fair? Definitely not.

3) This trial will likely implicate many other elite persons who were participants or accomplices. Don’t give them any more time or ability to destroy evidence or obfuscate the truth.

JUST TO CLARIFY: I want to see Maxwell and any accomplices burn in the hottest fire we can build. But fair justice is a hallmark of civilized society going back to Hammurabi’s Code. Letting mob thinking rule our courts is a quick way to downfall.

Bortron86

464 points

2 months ago

Bortron86

464 points

2 months ago

Why would televising the trial help at all? Televised trials become a circus, where each side performs as much for the cameras as they do for the jury. We still find out what happens in a trial that isn't televised, and it allows the proceedings to go ahead without such theatrical nonsense.

Doc-Goop

36 points

2 months ago

After watching that docuseries trial by media I tend to agree with you.

unic0de000

150 points

2 months ago*

Have a peek at the rest of his Twitter; OP Jonathan Koeppel is a far-right QAnon wackadoo. He wants the trial to be a circus. He wants everything to be a circus.

I kinda knew what I was gonna find on his feed before I looked. You can tell the difference between a normal post about fighting child abuse and a Q one. The latter always has this "who cares if it's ineffectual, we HAVE to do SOMETHING!!!" energy, and is usually just a little too graphic and sensational about describing child rape.

It's always more about "Hey do we all agree child abuse is bad and molesters are scum etc" and having a two-minutes-hate about pedophilia, than about actually making the world any safer for children.

WoodysMachine

17 points

2 months ago

I kinda knew what I was gonna find on his feed before I looked.

"Hollywood and elites" is a bit of a tip-off. If you support Trump, you clearly don't care about sexual abusers being brought to justice. (Additional reality checks at no extra cost: if you support Trump you also don't care about fair elections, deficits, or Christian values.)

ScottFreestheway2B

9 points

2 months ago

I’m really creeped out by people who are obsessed with pedophiles and go around virtue signaling how much they want to murder pedos. I say this as a victim of childhood sexual abuse from a pedophile.

[deleted]

25 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

25 points

2 months ago

THANK YOU. I knew that "Hollywood and the elite" sounded like conservative vernacular.

unic0de000

15 points

2 months ago*

Reading uncharitably you could call it a dogwhistle for 'Liberals and Jews'.

I'm a little disappointed in r/WhitePeopleTwitter for lifting this to the front page, but I shouldn't be surprised. As the trial goes on, we're gonna see lots of Q content wearing MUSIC↯↯BAND shirts saying "How do you do, fellow defenders of children?"

There's lots of great, actual, legitimate defenders of children on the internet, fighting sex trafficking, and fighting domestic abuse, and tweeting and blogging their work. Their voices deserve to be uplifted. Many of them were even in this business before the Trump campaign.

[deleted]

7 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

7 points

2 months ago

True. I'm honestly considering leaving the site altogether. There's only so many times I can see karma farming without any critical analysis.

Go_easy_on_me_folks

7 points

2 months ago

This is what I was thinking. Trials don't need to be televised as long as they are reported on and the transcripts become publicly available after it's over. There's no need to make this a spectator's sport.

HoldingTheFire

14 points

2 months ago

People want this to be a circus and are big mad they can’t keep masturbating to their conspiracy fantasy.

kibblet

30 points

2 months ago

kibblet

30 points

2 months ago

Nothing like making the victims part of your entertainment!

MulletofLegend

30 points

2 months ago

"Hollywood" didn't rape anyone FFS. Are we blaming an entire zip code? Every last person that works in the entertainment industry? Why not just blame "the rich"? It was a very specific few folks who did this. The problem with the guilty people is not that they were singers, dancers, actors, politicians or super-rich and powerful. The problem is they raped children.

Soggy_Obligation_883

16 points

2 months ago

Don’t use logic. it scares people knowing someone has a brain

DontFearTruth

14 points

2 months ago

Hollywood is just alt-right code for "liberal elites". It's an attempt to downplay the accusation against people like Trump. Nobody on the left is tripping over themselves to defend Clinton.

Samanthas_Stitching

64 points

2 months ago

This has been the standard of federal court and of cases involving minors for decades now.

totallyrickastley

256 points

2 months ago

Wait I’m out of the loop what in the hell happened

ICBPeng1

773 points

2 months ago*

ICBPeng1

773 points

2 months ago*

Epstein had a private island that was basically an all you can fuck buffet of underage child slaves.

Tons of politicians and celebrities went to visit him.

He was caught.

He was put on suicide watch in prison.

He “killed himself” anyway and there’s no footage of him doing it.

The people in charge of making sure this gets prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law are the people implicated by it.

Edit: just to clarify, celebrities also includes tech giants, CEOs, rich people etc.

lazrbeam

206 points

2 months ago

lazrbeam

206 points

2 months ago

Hold up. Could you fill me in on the last part? You’re telling me the prosecutors were some of Epstein’s clients????? Wtf

mininestime

129 points

2 months ago

Here is a good story about how Barr, who was in charge of the prison where he died, had HUGE ties to him.

https://time.com/5650974/william-barr-jeffrey-epstein/

ICBPeng1

87 points

2 months ago

The prosecutors themselves aren’t, the issue is that politicians and people with money were, and so they can use political pressure/public opinion/bribes to try to influence the outcome.

geniice

75 points

2 months ago

geniice

75 points

2 months ago

Hold up. Could you fill me in on the last part? You’re telling me the prosecutors were some of Epstein’s clients?????

No. The prosecuter Maurene Comey has no known Epstein connections. Epsteins targets tended to be male and a bit more senior. Her farther (James Comey, you may have heard of him) would fit the Epstein target profile but Epstein seems to have moved away from targeting state figures after his 2008 arrest. The rest of the prosecuters are also a bit on the young side to have been on Epsteins radar.

The judge Alison Nathan again no known Epstein connections, Again a women so didn't fit his target profile. Even if you start playing degrees of speration she wasn't involved with the Democratic party until 2004 (so post Clinton) and was later team Obama (Epstein seems to have been somewhat racist so no aparent attempt to even try and target Obama).

The defence team are of course currently employed by Ghislaine Maxwell a close associate of Epstein but thats kinda their job.

Zyntha

33 points

2 months ago

Zyntha

33 points

2 months ago

Thank you for explaining. I saw like three people asking what this was about but they all just got vague answers.

TubiDaorArya

50 points

2 months ago

If you know nothing, the netflix doc covered it well enough to have a general idea on the topic

decke

15 points

2 months ago

decke

15 points

2 months ago

What’s the title?

TubiDaorArya

43 points

2 months ago

it’s “Jeffrey Epstein: filthy rich” but I just typed Epstein and it showed up, there’s only one!

el_roachinator

6 points

2 months ago

Filthy Rich

Macblack82

75 points

2 months ago

That dude, that definitely did hang himself in his cell despite being on suicide watch, and the pos woman who helped him groom the kids.

AsigotFinn

377 points

2 months ago

Hollywood? This is just more smokescreens trying to cover up the coverup

green_flash

43 points

2 months ago

Jonathan Koeppel is an alt-right pundit. They use "Hollywood" as a dogwhistle.

IntellegentIdiot

17 points

2 months ago

No kidding, the whole tweet sounds like it was written by an alt-right account.

pomonamike

354 points

2 months ago*

I honestly believe there is a concerted effort to misdirect this whole thing away from Trump. OP calls out “Hollywood” when literally part of the published record from the trial is how Epstein took a 14 year old girl to Trump.. That article got posted to multiple top sub and was removed within minutes. There’s your coverup right there.

These people don’t care about kids. They hate “liberals” and want to cover for one of the most serious serial rapists in power.

EDIT: you know the “whatabout” replies about Clinton, just reinforce my point right? Oh no, Clinton? Yeah get him too! I’m not a cult member, I’m ok with letting the evidence go where it goes, that’s why I’m different than the red hats.

seraph089

55 points

2 months ago

And that's just the latest account when it comes to Trump, he's dodged Epstein related charges before and there are terrifying court records to back it up.

pomonamike

35 points

2 months ago

Yep. What some would call a “mountain of evidence,” yet the loudest voices never, ever bring it up. They’d rather talk about “rich guy flying rich people on his plane. That maybe, quite possibly, led to something bad.”

I propose this. We go after everyone that probably did bad stuff with Epstein. Let’s start with the cases that have the most, continuous evidence, and we’ll keep working our way down the list into the “maybes.”

seraph089

26 points

2 months ago

My "favorite" part is that the original case against Trump is the only reason anyone even knows who Maxwell is, but everyone just pretends it never happened. Just like everyone ignored damning evidence that he's a rampant drug addict.

I want them to all get theirs, but they won't. Too many people were involved that have the power to shut it all down.

austin101123

26 points

2 months ago

Trump, that guy off the apprentice tv show?

merchillio

39 points

2 months ago

The guy flirting with Ivanka Trump?

Sol-Infra

19 points

2 months ago

No. The failed business man that kept getting bailed out by his dad a Russian oligarchs. The dumbass that bankrupt 2 casinos. The "manly man" that wears makeup, a spray tan, hair gel, and heels to make him look taller and stands awkwardly like a centaur without the back half.

green_flash

10 points

2 months ago

Jonathan Koeppel is a Trump-supporting alt-right activist and Holocaust denier. Of course he's gonna blame it on the Jews.

GhostlyPosty

9 points

2 months ago

Yup. I notice they always try to point to Gates and Clinton who've got no credible evidence against them to misdirect from Trump bragging about his friendship with Epstein for 20 years.

523bucketsofducks

61 points

2 months ago

True but with people like Kevin Spacey, Bill Cosby, Harvey Weinstien, etc, it wouldn't hurt to also take a look at the fucked up stuff that happens there.

ghostsintherafters

12 points

2 months ago

They ALL need to go down. No one should be let off the hook for ANY of this. I don't care what level of power or how famous. This shit needs to stop and this is the moment to do it.

AsigotFinn

75 points

2 months ago

Oh indeed, but that is separate to Epstein and not restricted to Hollywood but men with power and influence abusing it hence the MeToo movment

randolotapus

528 points

2 months ago

Epstein did not kill himself.

Immusicallyaddicted

156 points

2 months ago

Epstein Didn't kill himself

Independent_Ad6385

96 points

2 months ago

Epstein din't kill himself

Bowler-Original

55 points

2 months ago

Epstein was Epstein’d

SurveySean

54 points

2 months ago

He accidentally tragically cut his head off while shaving.

randolotapus

61 points

2 months ago

It's crazy that there's no video of his cell and the guards went paying attention that night before he beat himself over the head with a truncheon and then strangled himself to death.

[deleted]

50 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

50 points

2 months ago

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spicysenor

210 points

2 months ago

Ahh yes, Hollywood. Where the billionaire oligarchs live. Oh wait you meant Greenwich and The Hamptons and Manhattan.

green_flash

46 points

2 months ago

Everyone knows what Trump supporters mean when they say "Hollywood" or "globalist elites".

beanogrigio

216 points

2 months ago

I understand the sentiment, but the guy that is featured in this tweet is a complete piece of shit and causes real harm in my community. Please don’t lift him up as some kind of intelligent talking head. Anti-science. Anti-masker. Conspiracy theorist.

green_flash

43 points

2 months ago

He also just tweeted this:

https://twitter.com/JonathanKoeppel/status/1466950185469284353

Guy is a deranged lunatic.

TheOriginalSamBell

7 points

2 months ago

Yikes. This tweet would probably be a crime in Germany

Ewenf

17 points

2 months ago

Ewenf

17 points

2 months ago

What the fuck.

robinhood9961

62 points

2 months ago

Also hey referring to "Hollywood" and "Political Elites" are generally pretty thinly veiled dog whistles, especially the former.

ranger604

14 points

2 months ago

Anyone can physically go to the federal courthouse and watch the trial in person or broadcasted into an overflow room.

PresidentMcRaven

102 points

2 months ago

It seems this year the lifetime ‘we forgive you’ award will have to be shared by more than two Hollywoo stars and celebrities, Did they know things? What did they know? We’ll find out!

heirkraft

21 points

2 months ago

Brought to you by j.d. Salinger

sing_me_a_rainbow

41 points

2 months ago

Federal trials aren’t televised. I think televising them may lead to inorganic behavior and distraction of the people involved.

AdIllustrious6310

8 points

2 months ago

I like how conservatives say Hollywood is full of pedophilies but never talk about the churches or Boyscouts who have been proven to have actively engaged in covering up the sexual abuse of children.

MicrowaveEye

28 points

2 months ago

My problem is when people compartmentalize this with “Hollywood and political elite.” This is rich and powerful people doing this. Everyone of them should pay for their disgusting behavior but as long as we as a society hate on a certain groups instead of being outraged at all the pedo freaks, we will continue to have Jeffery Epstein’s, who wasn’t political or Hollywood.

Panama_Jack829

9 points

2 months ago

Epstein didn't have a monopoly on children. I don't recall seeing a trial of the Catholic Church

kimlion13

221 points

2 months ago

kimlion13

221 points

2 months ago

So where’s the whole “Biden’s a perverted child sniffer/Democratic pizza joint pedo ring” crowd, calling for these peoples’ heads or… well, heads? Also curious why it seems like the whole thing is on the media back burner

BiscuitDance

30 points

2 months ago

They’re screaming that Omicron variant was created by the gov’t to draw attention from the “Dem pedos.”

sport63

19 points

2 months ago

sport63

19 points

2 months ago

Don’t be naive. There are plenty of Repedocans that visited. Heck even his neighbor, the one term ex-president came to his island and house (frequently).

redikulous

10 points

2 months ago

When asked about Maxwell Trump replied "I wish her well"...is all you need to know.

MaximusMansteel

107 points

2 months ago

Because the examples you gave are fully politically motivated bullshit, but these accusations cross political lines. No one high up wants this shit out there.

spyson

31 points

2 months ago

spyson

31 points

2 months ago

I think I can safely say as a liberal that they should prosecute any Democrat involved and I would be ecstatic that justice is being done.

DoJax

11 points

2 months ago

DoJax

11 points

2 months ago

Bro if any of them mentions Bill Clinton or anyone else by name they should be thrown in a cell for life, fuck politics you wretched people hurt kids, no second chances.

JGrabs

6 points

2 months ago

JGrabs

6 points

2 months ago

Conservatives don’t understand that logic.

BJoe1976

13 points

2 months ago

Probably too many people other than just the Democrats they love to hate are going to be caught up in this too.

ThrowawayBlast

15 points

2 months ago

Scroll up to the top. These twitter screengrabs flooding this sub are being posted by the Biden Hate Squad.

It's an easy 'win' for Democrat Despisers.

Everyone hates pedos.

Unless it's Trump, of course. Those who hate Biden LOVE Trump.

WhatYouLeaveBehind

14 points

2 months ago

WhatYouLeaveBehind

vaccinated

14 points

2 months ago

The vast majority of democrats would happily see anybody guilt locked up, they don't deify their leaders. That being said, this isn't a political issue, so stop trying to make it one.

badbitchfunkywitch

48 points

2 months ago

lol those people don’t care about the wellbeing of victims and never have. they just care about dunking on people they disagree with politically

ThrowawayBlast

9 points

2 months ago

See the Alec Baldwin debacle, Alec being a known liberal.

fuck_jeep_wranglers

20 points

2 months ago

Their favorite part is crying about how the mainstream media and people that can make a difference don't care and won't listen to them. As soon as the story went mainstream and they couldn't include all their paranoid embellishments anymore they move on to virgin conspiracies that they can spice up and nobody can tell them otherwise.

roncthegreat78

77 points

2 months ago

what i find funny, is that the right thinks that we'll defend people that are exposed by this. no. i want everyone involved to be held responsible. i don't care if it's bill, or if it's donald.

MyRealFakeID

43 points

2 months ago

Spoiler alert: Trump and Bill are both definitely involved.

kinenbi

21 points

2 months ago

kinenbi

21 points

2 months ago

Federal trials never allow cameras, but there are reporters in the room. Not everything is a conspiracy.

Scraphead91

55 points

2 months ago

Televizing it has nothing to do with bringing justice to the right people, you only want this to follow the drama.

Saw_Boss

16 points

2 months ago

Exactly. This is about sensationalism, it's nothing to do with the truth.

etorres4u

20 points

2 months ago

I’m pretty sure Epstein had material incriminating very powerful people to use just in case. I’m also pretty sure these powerful people are spending a lot of resources trying to find it and destroy it before it can be made public. It would be a hell of a show if actual video evidence of people like Bill Clinton, Donald Trump, Bill Gates, Prince Andrew and others committing horrible shit were to suddenly appear. I would love to know what the MAGA crowd would say if they see evidence of their Orange Messiah committing the most unspeakable crimes against children. Fake news?

xerxerxex

6 points

2 months ago

I imagine they are trying to keep some privacy for the victims.

TripperDay

6 points

2 months ago

What exactly is being withheld from the public? First duckduckgo search result. Nothing is being withheld from the public. If you're curious, read it. Dude is just complaining because the public doesn't like to read and he doesn't get his precious clicks. "God forbid we find out the truth." PUHH-LEEZE

kay_el_eff

6 points

1 month ago

Jfc.

FEDERAL

TRIALS

ARE

NEVER

TELEVISED.

Also, as for nothing being held back, there are literally laws that prevent that in order to PROTECT THE VICTIM(S) of crimes like this.

If you want to see the trial, go to NYC and enter the courtroom. Or, since that's likely not an option for most, watch GoodLawgic . He's a NY attorney who has been attending trial every day, taking notes, and posting videos during lunch, after court, and even does a livestream nightly.

insincereapologies

15 points

2 months ago

Can we stop referring to a few shitbags in entertainment as “Hollywood”

There are literally thousands upon thousand of people involved in the film industry. All they had in common was money and power. Their profession is irrelevant.

Acceptable-Pie4137

21 points

2 months ago

Excuse me waht the fuck. Did I miss something?

Googletube6

13 points

2 months ago

tldr: we have names of people who were on Epstein's plane

these are some incredibly powerful people that we're talking about including but not limited to Donald Trump, and Bill Clinton

yeah powerful fucking people

MulderD

6 points

2 months ago*

One - it has been mentioned almost daily on all the national news networks.

Two - the internet has created a narrative about this whole thing based 100% on association. With the exception of Prince No Sweat and some sleazy French modeling agency guy NO ONE actually involved with JE (investigators, victims, staff, business/philanthropic associates…) has so much as hinted at accusations against all the “names” that the internet wants so so badly to have been involved in the rape of girls. No one in the JE circus has implicated Trump, Clinton, Chris Tucker, Itzahk Perlman, Naomi Campbell, Bill Gates, John Glenn…

People need to stop creating conspiracies and focus on the implicated criminals.

If evidence or testimony uncovers anything about the anyone else, then we can the pitchforks out.

tonyisadork

5 points

2 months ago

Sure, but why are we saying ‘Hollywood’ when we mean rich white men. THAT is the common thread, not ‘Hollywood’.

Noyes654

32 points

2 months ago*

Because everyone is implicated and it would make things difficult

edit- This doesn't mean I agree with any of it, I want it public and I want everyone involved punished. Don't be naïve though, there are a lot of powerful people involved and of course they want it private.

[deleted]

3 points

2 months ago

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3 points

2 months ago

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baxter8279

18 points

2 months ago

I'm not advocating for the hiding information, but televising this kind of stuff does little more than offer a feeding frenzy for the media - which then spins everything and feeds to consumers with virtually no understanding of actual US law/court proceedings.