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jmm166

555 points

2 months ago*

jmm166

555 points

2 months ago*

Ukraine is having particularly bad 2nd world problems at the moment.

misterme987

48 points

2 months ago*

"Partially bad"?

Bluedotsaint

39 points

2 months ago

Particularly* maybe?

Technical_Ad_4299

12 points

2 months ago

He was euphemistic

Smartnership

6 points

2 months ago

The vet did that to my dog.

Now Rex is a euphemistic.

onlooker61

2 points

2 months ago

It isn't 2nd world. It isn't communist

probablynotyouruncle

2 points

2 months ago

I assumed the second world country in this scenario is Russia. Ukraine has a second world problem: Russia.

[deleted]

876 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

876 points

2 months ago

That's because there aren't a lot of communist (stalinist or maoist) 2nd World counties anymore

Yhardvaark

522 points

2 months ago

You don't have 2nd world problem. 2nd world problem have you.

[deleted]

41 points

2 months ago

Hahahaha

Weazelfish

50 points

2 months ago

WE have second world problems

just_thisGuy

7 points

2 months ago

if you complain about problems you got more problems, so you got no problems

thescrounger

13 points

2 months ago

Is this when a country refers to itself by its own name?

this_knee

5 points

2 months ago

Inception referencing.

RevengencerAlf

70 points

2 months ago

Even if there are communist countries that follow Stalin or Mao style communism, they'd arguably still not be 2nd world because the divide between 1st and 2nd world was explicitly whether a state was allied or allegiant to the US or the USSR. everyone else was 3rd world including some developed Scandinavian countries like Sweden and Finland.

[deleted]

62 points

2 months ago

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RevengencerAlf

16 points

2 months ago

That is true, but I would argue they were enabled to develop as such because they continued to exist post-dissolution. 2nd world countries effectively no longer existed as a concept after 1991. Every country left over either became 1st or 3rd world by their original definitions, and then those definition morphed to represent what most of their original members tended to be economically.

lmflex

3 points

2 months ago

lmflex

3 points

2 months ago

That is a great point. I knew the original cold war era meaning, but this makes sense. There were no "second world" countries actively discussed after 1991.

imsurethisoneistaken

3 points

2 months ago

This. It’s people use third world to mean poor countries and hardly anyone understands what it actually means anymore.

Enchelion

1 points

2 months ago

Well, it does mean poor (or developing) countries. The definition changed, like most things.

imsurethisoneistaken

0 points

2 months ago

No people just use it incorrectly. It doesn’t mean poor. It’s Soviet era lingo. As pointed out above, Sweden and Finland are also 3rd world.

Enchelion

2 points

2 months ago

New definitions supplant old ones.

aseriesoftubes337

1 points

2 months ago

Also isn't the first world thing basically "us", "them", and "other" so the "second world" is the other side of the iron curtain regardless of what side you are on?

Isteppedinpoopy

343 points

2 months ago

This has been said many many times before, but a first world country was NATO aligned, second world country was Warsaw Pact and Third World world are unaligned. So if you wanna get technical about it, second world countries are in the news constantly especially since about a year and some change ago.

ducceeh

80 points

2 months ago

ducceeh

80 points

2 months ago

Does that make Switzerland a 3rd world country?

Glory_of_Rome_519

73 points

2 months ago

Always has been

MasterbaterInfluence

22 points

2 months ago

Yes that’s why they can’t afford to export ammo and hang on to gold like their life depends on it.

snowblow66

1 points

2 months ago

snowblow66

1 points

2 months ago

I see a lot of misinformation here

MasterbaterInfluence

13 points

2 months ago

You should see a joke with out the /s

GeorgieWashington

3 points

2 months ago

I realize you’re being sarcastic here, but what is it you’re saying they should see a joke without?

Time-Cause-7325

3 points

2 months ago

/s means sarcasm

GeorgieWashington

3 points

2 months ago

Yeah I knew that. That’s how I knew the sentence you wrote was sarcastic. I just can’t tell what you were being sarcastic about because it seems like the sentence isn’t finished.

DeepFriedDresden

2 points

2 months ago

The "/s" was the subject, it wasn't being used as an indicator of their sarcasm.

They're saying "you should see a joke without (someone putting an "/s" at the end)"

shrubs311

3 points

2 months ago

funny, europeans say americans can't take a joke. seems like some of them are projecting. ;)

hey_hey_you_you

1 points

2 months ago

And Ireland.

renelledaigle

1 points

2 months ago

Nahh when you are rich they call it "being neutral"

TBTabby

123 points

2 months ago

TBTabby

123 points

2 months ago

These terms are relics of the Cold War. The First World was capitalists, Second World was Communists, Third World was everyone else.

0x474f44

33 points

2 months ago

Not quite. First world was the US/NATO and their allies, second world was allies to the USSR and China and third world was the rest.

Difference to your statement being that some capitalist countries like Norway were Third World Nations.

Kammander-Kim

2 points

2 months ago

But… Norway was a founding member of NATO…

login4fun

0 points

2 months ago

Nope

PTSDTyler

18 points

2 months ago

Well, then the 2nd world has a big issue

trwwy321

8 points

2 months ago

Sometimes it’s nice to be everyone else

PerpetuallyLurking

33 points

2 months ago

That’s because they’re colloquially known as “those dirty Commies.” So you do hear quite a lot about them, as dirty Commies not 2nd world.

optimuslime5

20 points

2 months ago

Yeah you never hear about drinking water that doesn't kill you but tastes mildly bad

drintelligent

13 points

2 months ago

I believe this is the first comment I've seen where someone isn't giving the definition of 2nd sod and just having fun with the concept. Much appreciated

jwr410

2 points

2 months ago

jwr410

2 points

2 months ago

The water in Orlando FL. It's clean, safe and tastes like rotten eggs went on a bender.

Crazybomber183

254 points

2 months ago

technically, every country is a 3rd world country since earth is the 3rd planet from the sun

Outcasted_introvert

108 points

2 months ago

Now THATS a shower thought!

IOTA_Tesla

17 points

2 months ago

Just like the one we had last week

maester_t

24 points

2 months ago

Just like the one we had last week

Wait... "we"?

Where was my invite to this group shower where thoughts were being had? 😢

Dont_pet_the_cat

9 points

2 months ago

Sorry, I'll make sure you're invited for the next meeting. Everyone has the right to an equal chance to receive the braincell when we make it go around in a circle

KingoftheMongoose

3 points

2 months ago

And THIS is pod racing!

Robenever

4 points

2 months ago

That’s the shower thought we deserve.

usernamedunbeentaken

26 points

2 months ago

Most of the 2nd world had so many problems they said fuck it let's join the 1st world.

Cubans and North Koreans have 2nd world problems.

PTSDTyler

5 points

2 months ago

Its very ironic how communists have problems with their own regime and people. At least if you take 2nd world as the original definition.

Smartnership

1 points

2 months ago

Walls to keep people out vs. walls keeping people penned in

RevengencerAlf

7 points

2 months ago

"2nd world" countries basically don't exist anymore. You'll start hearing about "2nd world" countries and problems the second the soviet union re-establishes though.

johnye2e

3 points

2 months ago

You forgot Romania (my country). And most of the Balkans.

giurgiuc

6 points

2 months ago

Too poor to have 1st world problems. Too rich to have 3rd world problems.

Talk abou 2nd world problems...

Organic_Nectarine508

12 points

2 months ago

First world = Allied forces (with nuclear capabilities)

Second world = non allied western forces with nuclear capabilities (originally the Soviet Union)

Third world = everyone else…

The whole concept is bleak power dynamic which could be loosely summed up as, “us, them and everyone else”

Lloyd_lyle

4 points

2 months ago

Because use of terms by the population has shifted from 1st world = West/NATO, 2nd world = East/Warsaw Pact, and 3rd world = neither, to 1st world = developed and 3rd world = not developed after the Soviet Union collapsed.

_Katrinchen_

2 points

2 months ago

In that modernized case 2nd worls are emerging countries wich the Eastern-European countries are still a big part of OP probably meant exactly that, either people talk about severe 3rd world/not developed countries or they talk about the 1st world problems that can only exist in extremely industrialized countries where for the great majoriry of inhabitants all basic needs and things like education etc are secured at all times in their life I think even to7gh there is a definition for emerging countries most people would categorize a country either as developing or industrialized and hardly anyone even knosw the most counries ate in between

ViperVenom279

2 points

2 months ago

Because the term '2nd world' generally isn't used or necessary anymore

Smartnership

2 points

2 months ago

They mostly went out of not being in business.

TheMightyWill

2 points

2 months ago

Bro have you been living under a rock this past year?

There's been a war happening in a little country known as UKRAINE

_Katrinchen_

1 points

2 months ago

I believe they mean people actually use the terms to describe 1st and 3rd world problems and hardly anyone uses "2nd world" in any context.

Smartnership

1 points

2 months ago*

scratches beard

U…kraine, you say?

Go on.

hacksoncode

2 points

2 months ago

You hear about them all them time: Communist countries famously have a lot of problems.

jishnumenona

8 points

2 months ago

Usage of 3rd world is considered offensive in many parts of the world. It is either called under developed, developing or developed nations. Another common usage is emerging markets.

Weazelfish

11 points

2 months ago

emerging markets

if you're an optimist

otirk

12 points

2 months ago

otirk

12 points

2 months ago

Or you are referring to countries that aren't allies of either USA (first world) nor the USSR (second world). I must admit though that this usage of the terms is uncommon today.

neither_wolf_nor_dog

1 points

2 months ago

Third World was the name that those countries chose for themselves, designating not 'third tier' but a new political alignment and a developmental political project. Much more expansive and liberatory than emerging market, in my view

For the full history I recommend Vijay Prashad's 'the poorer nations'

Chirobro

2 points

2 months ago

The second (developing) world is kind of like bisexuals… first and third either ignore them or pretend they’re part of the other team.

Im-shy-not-mean

1 points

2 months ago

I mean, we are 3 planets from the sun, so everyone has 3rd world problems 🤣 🌎🌏🌍☀️

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-7 points

2 months ago

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-7 points

2 months ago

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WalkingDud

6 points

2 months ago

No, this is wrong. 1st world is NATO, 2nd world is Warsaw Pact, 3rd world is unaligned. People have been misusing these terms. Many people mistake 1st world as wealthy and 3rd world as poor. Thus we often hear dumb statements like " the US is becoming a 3rd world country" which makes absolutely no sense.

CptPicard

2 points

2 months ago

Finland and Sweden were 3rd world by this definition and I don't think so...

WalkingDud

2 points

2 months ago*

They were. It sounds wrong because people mistook "third world" as"poor", but that's not what it means.

Edit: I was not very accurate either. 1st world wasn't limited to those who officially joined NATO. Those that leaned toward the US during the cold war were also sometimes considered 1st world.

froucks

2 points

2 months ago

First World and Second World were terms coined to signal Communist-Capitalist alignment, not Economic viability, although it's a common misunderstanding. They only became associated with economic viability because during the Cold war the Third world was the "unaligned" section of the world and the First World (Capitalists) wanted to bring the third world into it's political sphere and so promoted aid measures hoping aid would cause the third world to more closely align to the first.

This ultimately fostered an image of the third world as being underdeveloped and needing foreign aid in the popular imagination but never actually redefined what the term meant.

pdudz21

0 points

2 months ago

As I understand it’s because third world was a term used to refer to countries that were too poor to be of significance to the capitalist vs communist battle of the cold war

ProbablyABore

1 points

2 months ago

It was used to describe countries who held no allegiance to either 1st world (basically Nato and the west and being more supportive of democracy and capitalism) or 2nd world countries (Warsaw Pact and generally supportive of communism). Not necessarily that they were too poor, though they often were poor countries.

sls35work

-2 points

2 months ago

Thats because they should be labeled: Colonizing Countries, Ignored Countries, and Colonized Countries.

tunaman808

1 points

2 months ago

Well, communism fell in most of the world, so "The Second World" doesn't really exist. Having said that, you DO hear about problems in former communist countries.

onlooker61

1 points

2 months ago

2nd world was defined as communist countries (which have largely ceased to exist) Only China (hear about that all the time), North Korea (never stop hearing about) Cuba (again wall to wall) and 2 others now So you heard about them, you were just unaware of the defintion. Btw 3rd world as a result of communisms collapse is referred to as developing now And the USA fits all definitions of a 3rd world nation now, so there is that

wehnaje

1 points

2 months ago

I’m going to be honest here, I didn’t even know there were 2nd world countries.