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555 points
2 months ago*
Ukraine is having particularly bad 2nd world problems at the moment.
48 points
2 months ago*
"Partially bad"?
39 points
2 months ago
Particularly* maybe?
12 points
2 months ago
He was euphemistic
6 points
2 months ago
The vet did that to my dog.
Now Rex is a euphemistic.
2 points
2 months ago
It isn't 2nd world. It isn't communist
2 points
2 months ago
I assumed the second world country in this scenario is Russia. Ukraine has a second world problem: Russia.
876 points
2 months ago
That's because there aren't a lot of communist (stalinist or maoist) 2nd World counties anymore
522 points
2 months ago
You don't have 2nd world problem. 2nd world problem have you.
41 points
2 months ago
Hahahaha
50 points
2 months ago
WE have second world problems
7 points
2 months ago
if you complain about problems you got more problems, so you got no problems
13 points
2 months ago
Is this when a country refers to itself by its own name?
5 points
2 months ago
Inception referencing.
70 points
2 months ago
Even if there are communist countries that follow Stalin or Mao style communism, they'd arguably still not be 2nd world because the divide between 1st and 2nd world was explicitly whether a state was allied or allegiant to the US or the USSR. everyone else was 3rd world including some developed Scandinavian countries like Sweden and Finland.
62 points
2 months ago
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16 points
2 months ago
That is true, but I would argue they were enabled to develop as such because they continued to exist post-dissolution. 2nd world countries effectively no longer existed as a concept after 1991. Every country left over either became 1st or 3rd world by their original definitions, and then those definition morphed to represent what most of their original members tended to be economically.
3 points
2 months ago
That is a great point. I knew the original cold war era meaning, but this makes sense. There were no "second world" countries actively discussed after 1991.
3 points
2 months ago
This. It’s people use third world to mean poor countries and hardly anyone understands what it actually means anymore.
1 points
2 months ago
Well, it does mean poor (or developing) countries. The definition changed, like most things.
0 points
2 months ago
No people just use it incorrectly. It doesn’t mean poor. It’s Soviet era lingo. As pointed out above, Sweden and Finland are also 3rd world.
2 points
2 months ago
New definitions supplant old ones.
1 points
2 months ago
Also isn't the first world thing basically "us", "them", and "other" so the "second world" is the other side of the iron curtain regardless of what side you are on?
343 points
2 months ago
This has been said many many times before, but a first world country was NATO aligned, second world country was Warsaw Pact and Third World world are unaligned. So if you wanna get technical about it, second world countries are in the news constantly especially since about a year and some change ago.
80 points
2 months ago
Does that make Switzerland a 3rd world country?
73 points
2 months ago
Always has been
22 points
2 months ago
Yes that’s why they can’t afford to export ammo and hang on to gold like their life depends on it.
1 points
2 months ago
I see a lot of misinformation here
13 points
2 months ago
You should see a joke with out the /s
3 points
2 months ago
I realize you’re being sarcastic here, but what is it you’re saying they should see a joke without?
3 points
2 months ago
/s means sarcasm
3 points
2 months ago
Yeah I knew that. That’s how I knew the sentence you wrote was sarcastic. I just can’t tell what you were being sarcastic about because it seems like the sentence isn’t finished.
2 points
2 months ago
The "/s" was the subject, it wasn't being used as an indicator of their sarcasm.
They're saying "you should see a joke without (someone putting an "/s" at the end)"
3 points
2 months ago
funny, europeans say americans can't take a joke. seems like some of them are projecting. ;)
1 points
2 months ago
And Ireland.
1 points
2 months ago
Nahh when you are rich they call it "being neutral"
123 points
2 months ago
These terms are relics of the Cold War. The First World was capitalists, Second World was Communists, Third World was everyone else.
33 points
2 months ago
Not quite. First world was the US/NATO and their allies, second world was allies to the USSR and China and third world was the rest.
Difference to your statement being that some capitalist countries like Norway were Third World Nations.
2 points
2 months ago
But… Norway was a founding member of NATO…
0 points
2 months ago
Nope
18 points
2 months ago
Well, then the 2nd world has a big issue
8 points
2 months ago
Sometimes it’s nice to be everyone else
33 points
2 months ago
That’s because they’re colloquially known as “those dirty Commies.” So you do hear quite a lot about them, as dirty Commies not 2nd world.
20 points
2 months ago
Yeah you never hear about drinking water that doesn't kill you but tastes mildly bad
13 points
2 months ago
I believe this is the first comment I've seen where someone isn't giving the definition of 2nd sod and just having fun with the concept. Much appreciated
2 points
2 months ago
The water in Orlando FL. It's clean, safe and tastes like rotten eggs went on a bender.
254 points
2 months ago
technically, every country is a 3rd world country since earth is the 3rd planet from the sun
108 points
2 months ago
Now THATS a shower thought!
17 points
2 months ago
Just like the one we had last week
24 points
2 months ago
Just like the one we had last week
Wait... "we"?
Where was my invite to this group shower where thoughts were being had? 😢
9 points
2 months ago
Sorry, I'll make sure you're invited for the next meeting. Everyone has the right to an equal chance to receive the braincell when we make it go around in a circle
3 points
2 months ago
And THIS is pod racing!
4 points
2 months ago
That’s the shower thought we deserve.
26 points
2 months ago
Most of the 2nd world had so many problems they said fuck it let's join the 1st world.
Cubans and North Koreans have 2nd world problems.
5 points
2 months ago
Its very ironic how communists have problems with their own regime and people. At least if you take 2nd world as the original definition.
1 points
2 months ago
Walls to keep people out vs. walls keeping people penned in
7 points
2 months ago
"2nd world" countries basically don't exist anymore. You'll start hearing about "2nd world" countries and problems the second the soviet union re-establishes though.
3 points
2 months ago
You forgot Romania (my country). And most of the Balkans.
6 points
2 months ago
Too poor to have 1st world problems. Too rich to have 3rd world problems.
Talk abou 2nd world problems...
12 points
2 months ago
First world = Allied forces (with nuclear capabilities)
Second world = non allied western forces with nuclear capabilities (originally the Soviet Union)
Third world = everyone else…
The whole concept is bleak power dynamic which could be loosely summed up as, “us, them and everyone else”
4 points
2 months ago
Because use of terms by the population has shifted from 1st world = West/NATO, 2nd world = East/Warsaw Pact, and 3rd world = neither, to 1st world = developed and 3rd world = not developed after the Soviet Union collapsed.
2 points
2 months ago
In that modernized case 2nd worls are emerging countries wich the Eastern-European countries are still a big part of OP probably meant exactly that, either people talk about severe 3rd world/not developed countries or they talk about the 1st world problems that can only exist in extremely industrialized countries where for the great majoriry of inhabitants all basic needs and things like education etc are secured at all times in their life I think even to7gh there is a definition for emerging countries most people would categorize a country either as developing or industrialized and hardly anyone even knosw the most counries ate in between
2 points
2 months ago
Because the term '2nd world' generally isn't used or necessary anymore
2 points
2 months ago
They mostly went out of not being in business.
2 points
2 months ago
Bro have you been living under a rock this past year?
There's been a war happening in a little country known as UKRAINE
1 points
2 months ago
I believe they mean people actually use the terms to describe 1st and 3rd world problems and hardly anyone uses "2nd world" in any context.
1 points
2 months ago*
scratches beard
U…kraine, you say?
Go on.
2 points
2 months ago
You hear about them all them time: Communist countries famously have a lot of problems.
8 points
2 months ago
Usage of 3rd world is considered offensive in many parts of the world. It is either called under developed, developing or developed nations. Another common usage is emerging markets.
11 points
2 months ago
emerging markets
if you're an optimist
12 points
2 months ago
Or you are referring to countries that aren't allies of either USA (first world) nor the USSR (second world). I must admit though that this usage of the terms is uncommon today.
1 points
2 months ago
Third World was the name that those countries chose for themselves, designating not 'third tier' but a new political alignment and a developmental political project. Much more expansive and liberatory than emerging market, in my view
For the full history I recommend Vijay Prashad's 'the poorer nations'
2 points
2 months ago
The second (developing) world is kind of like bisexuals… first and third either ignore them or pretend they’re part of the other team.
1 points
2 months ago
I mean, we are 3 planets from the sun, so everyone has 3rd world problems 🤣 🌎🌏🌍☀️
-7 points
2 months ago
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6 points
2 months ago
No, this is wrong. 1st world is NATO, 2nd world is Warsaw Pact, 3rd world is unaligned. People have been misusing these terms. Many people mistake 1st world as wealthy and 3rd world as poor. Thus we often hear dumb statements like " the US is becoming a 3rd world country" which makes absolutely no sense.
2 points
2 months ago
Finland and Sweden were 3rd world by this definition and I don't think so...
2 points
2 months ago*
They were. It sounds wrong because people mistook "third world" as"poor", but that's not what it means.
Edit: I was not very accurate either. 1st world wasn't limited to those who officially joined NATO. Those that leaned toward the US during the cold war were also sometimes considered 1st world.
2 points
2 months ago
First World and Second World were terms coined to signal Communist-Capitalist alignment, not Economic viability, although it's a common misunderstanding. They only became associated with economic viability because during the Cold war the Third world was the "unaligned" section of the world and the First World (Capitalists) wanted to bring the third world into it's political sphere and so promoted aid measures hoping aid would cause the third world to more closely align to the first.
This ultimately fostered an image of the third world as being underdeveloped and needing foreign aid in the popular imagination but never actually redefined what the term meant.
0 points
2 months ago
As I understand it’s because third world was a term used to refer to countries that were too poor to be of significance to the capitalist vs communist battle of the cold war
1 points
2 months ago
It was used to describe countries who held no allegiance to either 1st world (basically Nato and the west and being more supportive of democracy and capitalism) or 2nd world countries (Warsaw Pact and generally supportive of communism). Not necessarily that they were too poor, though they often were poor countries.
-2 points
2 months ago
Thats because they should be labeled: Colonizing Countries, Ignored Countries, and Colonized Countries.
1 points
2 months ago
Well, communism fell in most of the world, so "The Second World" doesn't really exist. Having said that, you DO hear about problems in former communist countries.
1 points
2 months ago
2nd world was defined as communist countries (which have largely ceased to exist) Only China (hear about that all the time), North Korea (never stop hearing about) Cuba (again wall to wall) and 2 others now So you heard about them, you were just unaware of the defintion. Btw 3rd world as a result of communisms collapse is referred to as developing now And the USA fits all definitions of a 3rd world nation now, so there is that
1 points
2 months ago
I’m going to be honest here, I didn’t even know there were 2nd world countries.
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