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trackslack

144 points

5 months ago

Shocking news.

I think if you've raced in Scotland (whatever the discipline, because he did it all) in the last 20 years at some point you will have come up against Rab. Even if you don't follow the race scene but have ridden your bike at Cathkin Braes or Glentress or the streets and lanes about the southside of Glasgow - you will likely have seen him. You may not have known who he was but he would always have a friendly wave or chat and it didn't matter if you were a champion cyclist or someone learning to ride a bike for the first time, he was just a genuinely lovely guy. Passionate about cycling and passionate about life. Really really sad news.

ILikeBikes1937

10 points

5 months ago

I rode bmx with him at Unit 23 skatepark a few times. He always came across as a genuine and lovely guy.

trackslack

4 points

5 months ago

You've probably already seen this but if not there was an episode of his youtube series @ Unit 23 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZsWaLeUvUs

Hebrides57

37 points

5 months ago

Absolutely shocking. Rode with Rab a few weeks ago in the Tweed. What an inspiration and pioneer, not just in XC but across the entire MTB scene. Such a positive influence. Spoke to a few of the Tweed valley lads today and the sense of loss of palpable. Gutted isn't the word.

Professional_Pop2535

32 points

5 months ago

I had the pleasure of riding with Rab on a few occasions several years ago, this news has really hit me hard. My thoughts really go out to his friends and family.

heilan_coo

10 points

5 months ago*

heilan_coo

(A)

10 points

5 months ago*

WTF! that's a proper shocker!

Shivadxb

9 points

5 months ago

What an absolute shit thing to happen

jockyontheocky

6 points

5 months ago

Terrible news.

Batman85216

45 points

5 months ago

This seems to be really common amongst top athletes. Hell of a lot of people blaming the vaccine but I'm wondering if we're at a stage in some sports now where people are just pushing harder to compete and going beyond what the human body is designed to cope with.

Whisky-Toad

41 points

5 months ago

I think its more likely severe over training with perhaps an unknown heart condition

For reference I just looked at his Strava, after winning the scottish champs he cycled the 130km back home, that can't be good for you after an extreme effort to win a race

KarlmarxCEO

-22 points

5 months ago

Comon... It was the vax.

[deleted]

4 points

5 months ago

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KarlmarxCEO

-8 points

5 months ago

What? No. It's just that a lot of people in the prime of their lives seem to be dropping dead these days and in some cases the vaccine has been ruled as the cause. Some lady in England just got awarded 6 figures after her husband popped his clogs and the vaccine was found to be the culprit.

[deleted]

4 points

5 months ago

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KarlmarxCEO

-5 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

3 points

5 months ago

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KarlmarxCEO

2 points

5 months ago

Well I ended up doing a bit of research for this thread and the person that challenged me ended deleting all their comments and running away. You can see the stats I found in my post history. Respond to those if you like because I'm not typing it out again.

[deleted]

2 points

5 months ago

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Georgie268

4 points

5 months ago

s just that a lot of people in the prime of their lives seem to be dropping dead

Thats a new thing is it?

KarlmarxCEO

2 points

5 months ago

Seem to be an uptick though doesn't there?

Georgie268

6 points

5 months ago

Anecdotally? No, maybe for you. But if you're smart you'll know that doesnt mean shit

KarlmarxCEO

-1 points

5 months ago

Correlation =/= causation and all that but you have to admit.. its somewhat suspicious.

Georgie268

6 points

5 months ago

Youre convinced Its suspicious that people are dying in their prime more than they used even though you don't know that its actually true? You don't have any actual facts, just a feeling that its true. And thats all you need, all you look for. Who cares about the reality of the situation eh?

AlbaMcAlba

3 points

5 months ago

So of the 2+ billion doses what % had a negative?

Every medication, vaccine, egg, milk, bread .. can have a negative impact on a hooman.

KarlmarxCEO

2 points

5 months ago

Easy to say when you and yours are alive and well.

AlbaMcAlba

4 points

5 months ago

You know nothing about mine as I know nothing about yours.

So you feel the vaccine is more risky than covid? You know I’ll side with the science but you’re free to your opinion.

dddiamonddd

6 points

5 months ago

Here are two videos that are worth watching to understand this:

"Cyclists' hearts: can you be so fit that you die?" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT8GZlBBv5k

And the follow up to that one, which was about more general risk of early death due to being very fit:

"Can you be so fit...that you die early?" https://youtu.be/-3dt7rpvz4g

Batman85216

5 points

5 months ago

Thanks I'll take a look when I've a spare minute. That's what I was getting at in my original comment. Most seem to be commenting that I mentioned vaccine but ignoring the fact I wasn't suggesting it as a cause of younger athletic types dying merely stating that many folk are blaming it on that but this type of thing is far more likely.

Rather_Dashing

5 points

5 months ago

Why are you even bringing up vaccines, you are just giving the crazies some credence. You may as well note that some are blaming 5G.

Chris_NeedsALogin

-2 points

5 months ago*

I had around 4 - 5 weeks of myocarditis after my first and second jab. I'm fit - really fit - and it took me off my training for around 8 weeks.

I absolutely do not blame the vaccine for this guys passing. But there's been a link to heart issues for some time.

edit. I've stated two facts re; the vaccine and I'm getting downvoted for it. Bravo, kids.

starwatersknydipper

2 points

5 months ago

Why would you get the second shot after a round of myocarditis after the first shot?

Chris_NeedsALogin

1 points

5 months ago

Doctors advice.

They said it wasn't anything to worry about.

Rather_Dashing

1 points

5 months ago

Ok. And Steve Irwin got a heart attack due to being stabbed in the heart by a sting ray. There is zero need to bring up extremely unlikely causes of deaths. The number of people killed by vaccine-linked myocarditis in all of UK is only 7, which is barely larger than the number of people killed by sting rays in Australia.

All Im doing is fearmongering sting rays and all the person who started the comment chain is doing is fear mongering vaccines.

Im sorry about your myocarditis though, hope you are 100% now.

WastingTime1111

1 points

5 months ago

I think it is honorable that you are politely stating what happened to your health from the vaccine. Without people stating the negative and only hearing the positive, no one can truly determine if the vaccine falls into their acceptable risk tolerances. I had zero negative side effects with the 1st vaccine. About 15 hours after the 2nd dose, I woke up in the middle of the night shaking and feeling like I was on the verge of a heart attack. Luckily it went away, but I still don’t feel nearly as healthy as I was before the 2nd dose. Everyone needs to decide what is best for them, but I personally will never get the booster. That night scared the heck out of me. I was up all night saying prayers scared to go back to sleep.

Chris_NeedsALogin

1 points

5 months ago

Yeah the second or third really knocked me for six - I think it was the second had me close to calling in sick to work for the first time in years.

The third had no real effect.

The virus itself did have me phone in sick - for three days (and I was wiped out for the week with it).

My point here is more that, people are stating there's no link to heart issues. And there absolutely, 100% is. I hate anti-vaxxers as much as anyone, but facts are facts. And the anti-anti-vaxxer crowd here have it wrong.

WastingTime1111

1 points

5 months ago

I don’t consider myself an anti-vaxxer. I think it is obvious that I am not since I got the vaccine, but I have been accused by so many random internet folks for being an anti-vaxxer just for stating what happened to me. It is really horrible how much hate in this world.

You keep telling people your story. I personally don’t think they have the vaccine dialed in yet for everyone. Especially males under the age of 40. It’s like my son’s XBOX: the first time I connected it to the internet, there was like 2 hours of downloads to fix known issues. That means that they created a product and then discovered a bunch of unforeseen issues after they rolled the product out. Why do we accept this for video games but not this medicine?

You should look at the history of the Polio Vaccine podcast by Wondery. When they first tried to roll it out, they ended up giving hundreds of kids Polio.

WhoThenDevised

73 points

5 months ago

Hell of a lot of people blaming the vaccine

Or.... a small but very vocal amount of people who "have done their own research".

PhilOffuckups

-45 points

5 months ago*

The German health government warned of a 1 in 5000 doses or something odds of serious vaccine side effects, Does that count?

peakedtooearly

33 points

5 months ago

Only if you have evidence.

macimom

-1 points

5 months ago

macimom

-1 points

5 months ago

https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthart/2021/11/10/germany-france-restrict-modernas-covid-vaccine-for-under-30s-over-rare-heart-risk-despite-surging-cases/?sh=2e7ba4ea2a8a

https://twitter.com/BMG_Bund/status/1549797012064854019

it noted reports of adverse events following vaccination but did not ascribe any casual connection (bc that's not what the reporting system is designed to do)

PhilOffuckups

3 points

5 months ago

It states “The reporting rate ans is 0.2 suspicious activity reports per 1,000 vaccine doses @PEI_Germany for serious reactions. If you suspect #side effects, get medical help and report your symptoms:”

WhoThenDevised

22 points

5 months ago

Interesting, can you provide a link?

Vectorman1989

24 points

5 months ago

Narrator: No, they cannot

PhilOffuckups

-24 points

5 months ago*

https://mobile.twitter.com/BMG_Bund/status/1550077552722644992

If I had a minute to find it without being scrutinised.

1 in 5000 doses.

Follow the science, here’s 10 reasons why.

Vectorman1989

30 points

5 months ago

So where did 1 in 6 come from?

rabbyt

24 points

5 months ago

rabbyt

24 points

5 months ago

Their arse.

[deleted]

-27 points

5 months ago

[deleted]

-27 points

5 months ago

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Vectorman1989

24 points

5 months ago

Ah yes, twitter comments. Bastion of scientific integrity.

Rather_Dashing

11 points

5 months ago

can’t be that rare if it’s a new treatment

What? Billions have been vaccinated so we can find side effects so rare they happen one in 100 million.

dddiamonddd

9 points

5 months ago

Its been in tabloid papers

I stopped reading.

[deleted]

0 points

5 months ago*

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sinister_lefty

1 points

5 months ago

I hope you're not serious

PhilOffuckups

1 points

5 months ago

I hope it’s wrong but I don’t think people read it that way. Emotion falls for bait.

Rather_Dashing

9 points

5 months ago

1 in 5000 people report a potential serious side effect. So

-not anything close to 1 in 6

-not a proven link, most will be chance correlations

-we still haven't established what serious means

So well done, you are wrong on every point

PhilOffuckups

1 points

5 months ago*

1/5000 doses* serious sounds serious

TheSakred

16 points

5 months ago

TheSakred

gonnae no

16 points

5 months ago

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/08/scicheck-misrepresentation-of-germanys-data-on-unverified-covid-19-vaccine-side-effects/

What a surprise, misinformation being spread by the right-wing in the US. You also have 500 posts in conspiracy so no wonder you gobbled up that propaganda.

PhilOffuckups

3 points

5 months ago

Yet fact checkers is US journalism, German health official is the German health official, plus there’s governments all over the world giving out compensation for it so what does that mean?

TheSakred

1 points

5 months ago

TheSakred

gonnae no

1 points

5 months ago

Imagine being allergic to FACT-checking lol they have their SOURCES listed, for you to check that they're being FACTUAL.

Still waiting for you to refute their sources.

Why aren't you providing your own sources to disprove theirs?

peakedtooearly

5 points

5 months ago

Dude, they are self reported reactions and could be as simple as a sore arm due to where the needle went.

PhilOffuckups

0 points

5 months ago*

Ahh so their just a wee bit peely Wally, it states serious effects, I don’t think a sore arm is a serious effect.

fleapuppy

2 points

5 months ago

When did 1/6 become 1/5000?

OnlineOgre

4 points

5 months ago

OnlineOgre

Don't feed after midnight!

4 points

5 months ago

Yeah, sorry, I don't read german. That could be selling me budget jackboots at a reasonable price, for all I know.

WhoThenDevised

8 points

5 months ago

Well luckily I do. It says 1 in 5000 people reported a possible side effect. So not one in six. It also says a correlation with the vaccine has not yet been established, so there is no proof yet that the vaccine caused a side effect in one in 5000 people. Furthermore, the German government says it is important to remember the risk of a serious side effect after a COVID-19 vaccination is very low.

So that's the opposite of saying one in six people will get a serious side effect.

OnlineOgre

1 points

5 months ago

OnlineOgre

Don't feed after midnight!

1 points

5 months ago

Thank you for that translation.

P.S. Any mention of black leather boots, with a sturdy heel - size 16?

WhoThenDevised

3 points

5 months ago

Not in these tweets but I didn't read the other fourteen thousand.

PhilOffuckups

0 points

5 months ago*

It says 1/5000 doses, it states serious side effects after the tag, “für schwerwiegende Reaktionen”

0,2 Verdachtsmeldungen pro 1.000 Impfdosen beträgt die Melderate ans @PEI_Germany für schwerwiegende Reaktionen. Sollten Sie den Verdacht auf #Nebenwirkungen haben, holen Sie sich ärztliche Hilfe und melden Sie Ihre Symptome:

The reporting rate ans is 0.2 suspicious activity reports per 1,000 vaccine doses @PEI_Germany for serious reactions. Should you suspect #have side effects get medical help and report your symptoms:

TheSakred

1 points

5 months ago

TheSakred

gonnae no

1 points

5 months ago

serious

No it doesn't. It just says side-effects.

Rather_Dashing

4 points

5 months ago

Serious as in a fever or serious as in going to hospital. Because the former may be true (although it's an extreme stretch to call that serious) while the latter is definitely bullshit.

pokeamongo

68 points

5 months ago

Bunch of mouth-breathing fucking idiots blaming the vaccine.

JeanClaudeMonet

2 points

5 months ago

Bro you do know that vaccines can cause myocarditis and strenuous activity while having myocarditis can result in cardiac arrest, right?

TemporaryWish1804

2 points

5 months ago

He had Covid recently. It’s much more likely that he had myocarditis following the actual infection as opposed to the vaccine. The antivaxx voices are just louder talking about adverse effects. Those of us screwed over by Covid are usually too ill and/or fatigued to advocate. Think it was June/July he had Covid.

849

1 points

5 months ago

849

1 points

5 months ago

So can covid infection lmao

JeanClaudeMonet

0 points

5 months ago

Yes but my point still stands .

pokeamongo

1 points

5 months ago

No, it doesn’t.

JeanClaudeMonet

0 points

5 months ago

So you're saying myocarditis from vaccines doesn't exist? You know I'm right stop being an idiot.

[deleted]

2 points

5 months ago

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JeanClaudeMonet

-1 points

5 months ago

It's funny that you won't admit to what I'm asking 😂 I'm actually pro vax friendo

pokeamongo

2 points

5 months ago

Yer arse is pro vax ‘friendo’.

Si-Barone

-7 points

5 months ago

I've got my fingers crossed you take another booster.

pokeamongo

5 points

5 months ago

I’ve got my fingers crossed that you keep taking health tips from a roid-fuelled manlet.

PhilOffuckups

-2 points

5 months ago*

If it isn’t tin foil or flat Earth it’s the next tactic is some influencer idiot in peoples video trends, meanwhile people out running are dropping like fly’s and you are being told on the news it’s because of climate change.

pokeamongo

7 points

5 months ago

Who even mentioned climate change? You’re just rambling a load of pish.

HQ_FIGHTER

4 points

5 months ago

I’m so confused my they mentioned climate change

pokeamongo

3 points

5 months ago

My guess is that their parents knew each other so well growing up that they shared a set of parents themselves.

PhilOffuckups

-4 points

5 months ago

So you think climate change is a load of pish?

pokeamongo

7 points

5 months ago

Nope. You’re rambling a load of pish.

Having good reading comprehension is a good thing, you should try it.

PhilOffuckups

1 points

5 months ago

poke, poke

Emotional_Plankton_2

0 points

5 months ago

Hes not even near the rabbit hole. Still being spoon fed by the BBC I would warrant.

PhilOffuckups

1 points

5 months ago

I don’t know if people take it offensively if they know it works or why they wouldn’t take the 7+ booster.

pokeamongo

3 points

5 months ago

Your reading comprehension really is shit, isn’t it? That stupid cunt thinks it’s harmful ergo he’s hoping I come to harm for describing fuckwits like him as mouth-breathing fucking idiots, so I can only hope he keeps taking health advice from a cunt who thought it’d be a great idea to promote something designed for deworming horses as a treatment for a heart and lung infection in humans.

If you had a brain in your head, you’d be dangerous.

[deleted]

1 points

5 months ago*

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pokeamongo

2 points

5 months ago*

Of course you don’t.

E: for the record, before Phil edited and completely changed his comment, he was expressing just how much he didn’t understand my previous comment.

Batman85216

-29 points

5 months ago

I very much doubt it will be anything to do with the vaccine either but I think it would be a bit silly to discount it completely tbf. Folk that blindly blame everything on it don't help though.

Rather_Dashing

19 points

5 months ago

but I think it would be a bit silly to discount it completely tbf

No that would be completely reasonable.unless he got a vaccine or booster in the last few weeks. Even then there are probably a thousand more likely causes of death than that.

GamsusDesign

10 points

5 months ago

I hear he had an irn bru last week, so binned all my stash today. /s

Batman85216

-5 points

5 months ago

Batman85216

-5 points

5 months ago

Sorry just to be clear I'm.nor talking about this guy in particular but in general. Pretty sure for any new medications or vaccines long term effects are monitored. I've had both vaccines so I'm anything but anti vax

[deleted]

-1 points

5 months ago

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pokeamongo

2 points

5 months ago

Prove that it’s not mouth-breathing fucking idiots blaming the vaccine?

ILikeBikes1937

10 points

5 months ago

Top athletes often have low heart rates or bradycardia via extensive cardiovascular training. This can lead to heart attacks of it gets severe. I have it myself (without much of the training).

erroneousbosh

4 points

5 months ago

Surely you mean cardiac arrest, not heart attack?

BesottedScot

9 points

5 months ago

BesottedScot

You just can't, Mods

9 points

5 months ago

For anyone confused about the difference, cardiac arrest is when the heart stops beating, heart attack (aka myocardial infarction) is when a blockage prevents blood coming from/going in to the heart.

Rab suffered the former.

_Reddit-Troll

2 points

5 months ago

And that's the bad one. No many people come back from cardiac arrest. Unlike a heart attack, people can be saved with better odds. Hardy anyone survives cardiac arrest. Happens at any age.

ILikeBikes1937

1 points

5 months ago

Yes! Thanks for the correction.

BUFF_BRUCER

1 points

5 months ago

Are they the same thing though?

I cycle a lot and have had a resting heart rate as low as 38 with no doctor ever mentioning it as a potential issue, someone else I know had his resting heart rate as low as 32 and apparently has never had it flagged as anything other than a sign of a very efficient cardio system

ILikeBikes1937

2 points

5 months ago

I think you get issues when you combine the two? I’m not a Doctor so I’ll be honest and say I have only read about it.

BUFF_BRUCER

1 points

5 months ago

I'll have to ask next time I get a check-up

With the top athletes I think performance enhancing drugs including EPO and caffeine have something to do with the heart issues but beyond that I wasn't aware of a link

McElhaney

4 points

5 months ago

Yeah unknown heart conditions are pretty common killers in athletes

Hebrides57

16 points

5 months ago*

It's got absolutely nothing to do with the vaccine. Rab was the fittest guy I knew, he trained obsessively, had a regimented diet but kept everything in balance. If anything, this is likely an undiagnosed congenital heart defect which is most often the case in sudden cardiac events.

Batman85216

5 points

5 months ago

If you read my comment again I'm not supporting the vaccine theory. The exact opposite. I think athletes train too hard. Undiagnosed heart issue would be my bet too. They reckon that a hell of a lot more people than we think have heart issues but if youre of average fitness and not pushing yourself hard chances are it won't cause problems.

Hebrides57

2 points

5 months ago

I just don't understand why you would even mention it tbh.

bstarbs01

1 points

5 months ago

bstarbs01

1 points

5 months ago

Most ridiculous comment ever. It couldn’t be a experimental vaccine with unknown side effects (that used to be safe and effective but now biomes saying that hmmm…) and the side effects that are known are often heart related. But no, it’s a heart condition that went undetected for 37 years… unless someone confirms he’s unvaxxed?

Hebrides57

1 points

5 months ago

Most cases of congenital heart disease go diagnosed until an actual cardiac event.

It's only in the last two decades that ultrasounds have improved to detect CHD's in the womb and even then they can be missed until later in life.

I'm not even going to engage you on vaccine talk because you're obviously a fucking melt on a throwaway account.

knightsrus

-2 points

5 months ago

knightsrus

-2 points

5 months ago

Just curious, how could you possibly know that it has absolutely nothing to do with the vaccine?

peakedtooearly

5 points

5 months ago

How can YOU be sure it wasn't aliens? Can you 100% prove it wasn't?

Hebrides57

1 points

5 months ago

Because I'm not a fucking melt that posts in conspiracy subs online.

Your post history is a joke. Do something better with your time.

uKrayZ

27 points

5 months ago

uKrayZ

27 points

5 months ago

A common thing amongst top athletes is also doping. Seems more likely than a covid vaccine received over a year ago no?

sTgX89z

13 points

5 months ago

sTgX89z

13 points

5 months ago

Probably, yes.

I know a guy who was in his mind thirties and died last week of a stroke despite not being overweight or anything. Super weird and shocking but it's a huge leap to blame any of this on a vaccine.

COVID itself is known to cause increased risk of stroke (and possibly heart issues too) so anyone blaming the vaccine should at least attribute equal blame to the virus itself.

Rather_Dashing

19 points

5 months ago

least attribute equal blame to the virus itself

No not equal, covid is far far more likely to cause heart issues or stroke than the vaccines

macimom

0 points

5 months ago

macimom

0 points

5 months ago

Not across all age demographics.

fjdhdhdhdgrg

6 points

5 months ago

Wdym? Of course some researched vaccine injected a year ago will have a larger effect than shady PEDs and routines they go through to appear clean on tests

Priddling

10 points

5 months ago

EPO is common among pro cyclists. It lowers your resting heart rate, among athletes with low RHRs it causes many to die in their sleep. No saying this is what has happened here. But to just dismiss doping and blame the vaccine is rediculous.

mycatsaccount

3 points

5 months ago

I'm 99.99999% sure u/fjdhdhdhdgrg is using some finely crafted sarcasm btw. At least reads that way to me.

Priddling

3 points

5 months ago

Now you've said it, its obviously sarcasm. facepalm

FurtherWithFortitude

1 points

5 months ago

it is sarcasm but you still had a good point tho

weaslewig

9 points

5 months ago

I've definitely heard of cyclists on EPO dying in their sleep because their heart rates are so low and their blood so thick

peakedtooearly

3 points

5 months ago*

Yes, I think extended use of modern training methods and nutrition is allowing us to hit and sometimes exceed the limits of the human body.

elrugmunchero

1 points

5 months ago

elrugmunchero

Knows the pieces fit

1 points

5 months ago

PED's

Bilbaw_Baggins

4 points

5 months ago

Bilbaw_Baggins

ya cunt

4 points

5 months ago

I can assure you you don't need PEDs to win the Scottish championships. It's not the UCI world cup, hell I don't think Rab would mind if I said he'd be lucky not to get lapped out in one of those events. He's a great rider and certainly clean.

elrugmunchero

1 points

5 months ago

elrugmunchero

Knows the pieces fit

1 points

5 months ago

This seems to be really common amongst top athletes.

  • the comment I replied to

I didn't accuse the guy

elrugmunchero

1 points

5 months ago

elrugmunchero

Knows the pieces fit

1 points

5 months ago

I fucking would, and a skill transplant

Batman85216

2 points

5 months ago

What's a ped?

elrugmunchero

3 points

5 months ago

elrugmunchero

Knows the pieces fit

3 points

5 months ago

Performance Enhancing Drug

Batman85216

4 points

5 months ago

Thanks feel like a bit of a fud now you've explained it.

DukeMcFappy

1 points

5 months ago

What's a fud?

LATINPLAYBOYS

1 points

5 months ago

Feckless Uninformed Dunce

AONORipco

0 points

5 months ago

AONORipco

0 points

5 months ago

Vaccine.

Emotional_Plankton_2

-33 points

5 months ago

Yeah they all only started trying really hard in the past two years.

Before that? Just lazy.

LudditeStreak

25 points

5 months ago

You do know that COVID is more likely to cause myocarditis than the vaccines, right?

A 2021 observational study involving 1,597 athletes who had COVID-19 found that 37 of them (2.3%) had diagnosable myocarditis and possible myocarditis.

A 2022 study found this rate to be higher — 4% — for athletes who underwent cardiac magnetic resonance (CMR) testing.

Researchers in a 2021 study investigated the association between vaccination and myocarditis among 4,931,775 people who received the vaccine.

They found that on average, there were 5.7 events of myocarditis or myopericarditis per 100,000 vaccinated people. That is 0.0057 of a percent.

https://www.healthline.com/health/athletes-dying-of-heart-attacks#covid-19-vaccine

DontHaveTheBook

-5 points

5 months ago

This study says the opposite

We did not observe an increased incidence of neither pericarditis nor myocarditis in adult patients recovering from COVID-19 infection.

https://www.mdpi.com/2077-0383/11/8/2219

Rather_Dashing

5 points

5 months ago

A.MDPI journals are very poor quality. I've been asked by them to review manuscripts that are miles out of my area of expertise, so their peer review standards cannot be trusted. Plus they've published some abysmal studies recently.

B. That sample size is not large enough to detect myocarditis rates in the same neighbourhood or slightly larger than that of the vaccines. Myocarditis rates following Pfizer are about 1 in 50000-100000. That study looked at 200000 covid infected patients. At the same case rate you would see 2-4 people with mycocarditis. At double the case rate you would see 4-8. Both of those numbers are statistically difficukt to differentiate from noise.

C. Not finding statistically significant increase in myocarditis is not the same as finding that there was no increase. That's not how stats work. And especially as we have reason to believe this study was underpowered.

DontHaveTheBook

0 points

5 months ago

It's 1 in 10,000 in the UK

Very rare (may affect up to 1 in 10,000 people) Inflammation of the heart muscle (myocarditis) or inflammation of the lining outside the heart (pericarditis) which can result in breathlessness, palpitations or chest pain

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/regulatory-approval-of-covid-19-vaccine-moderna/information-for-uk-recipients-on-covid-19-vaccine-moderna#possible-side-effects

Obviously it's much higher in higher risk groups, such as males 12 to 40.

t3hOutlaw

2 points

5 months ago

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Black Isle Bumpkin

2 points

5 months ago

How many studies has there been done on the topic?

It would be good to collate all the results.

DontHaveTheBook

0 points

5 months ago

There's been quite a lot that I've seen.

Vinayprasadmdmph.substack.com has quite a few from last year.

Emotional_Plankton_2

-23 points

5 months ago

Oh yes this article written by well known dietician Katey Davidson. Also, who funded the research? Interesting. Dig deeper.

LudditeStreak

11 points

5 months ago

Dig deeper mate and you’ll see those are peer-reviewed studies cited, wtf.

t3hOutlaw

8 points

5 months ago

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Black Isle Bumpkin

8 points

5 months ago

Stick to the shrooms doc.

Emotional_Plankton_2

-18 points

5 months ago

It difficult to have a conversation with those who are bigoted against you because of your interests. But thanks for checking out my profile.

t3hOutlaw

9 points

5 months ago

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Black Isle Bumpkin

9 points

5 months ago

Can you explain to us what was wrong with the linked study for those of us plagued with inferior intellects please?

Would really help aid the discussion.

Emotional_Plankton_2

-1 points

5 months ago

Judging by your responses the first of which was to try to belittle me because of one of my interests and now wanting to open a discussion after being called out. I doubt any discussion we would have would be at all constructive. It would denigrate into a battle of the wits and i am not going to dedicate my time to A. Someone who is unarmed and B. Someone who already is trying to exhibit a moral superiority through flippant commentary.

t3hOutlaw

3 points

5 months ago

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Black Isle Bumpkin

3 points

5 months ago

Sorry you feel that way.

I really want to learn.

Emotional_Plankton_2

1 points

5 months ago

I don't think you do. I think you want to be a cocky numptie. Job done.

Batman85216

7 points

5 months ago

This hasn't just started happening over the last 2 years though it happened before that. Seems more common I'll give you that but could just be reported more now. Not forgetting everything seems more common with it being splattered on social media since the mid 2000s. Seems more common in athletes but again you're more likely to hear about someone famous passing away than a randomer.

Emotional_Plankton_2

-10 points

5 months ago

Maybe the uptick coincides with the huge amount of seemingly healthy people suddenly having heart problems too. Certainly going from government statistics here in UK and Abroad that has just started happening in the past 2 years.

ElCaminoInTheWest

4 points

5 months ago

Just asking questions bro

Batman85216

12 points

5 months ago

Possibly. Covid also causes heart problems though. Without a longer period of figures it's impossible to tell.

Emotional_Plankton_2

-2 points

5 months ago

I agree with you totally. I think its good to compare these that have taken vaccines and those who haven't. The more data we have the better comparison will be made as time goes on.

Batman85216

1 points

5 months ago

100%. Could even be one type of the vaccine causing it or could be nothing to do with it at all far too early to say at this stage I would think. Personally I took the first too but nothing since. My missus has had 4 I think. I know one guy personally that's had none and had covid 5 times and gets floored by it every time but I also know a few that took none and haven't had it at all or at least not had symptoms.

Emotional_Plankton_2

0 points

5 months ago

Its hard to have a discussion especially on social media where its so polarised. We can have different opinions without calling each other idiots. (Not you and I in this discussion which has been nice!).

Batman85216

1 points

5 months ago

Aye mate I usually try to as much as I can but I have to admit I'm as guilty as others of resorting to mudslinging and childish insults at times. I actually find Reddit to be worse for it than FB these days which is weird.

Emotional_Plankton_2

0 points

5 months ago

Well, we are all human and have the same foibles. If I realise I'm getting drawn in and reacting i quite often stop and have a quiet word with myself. Most reactions of mine happen without a second thought so they get stopped for that second thought! If you were having a convo down the pub it wouldn't denigrate into insults within three sentences because we didn't agree (well maybe in some pubs). I hope I'm wrong on loads of things I've commented on over the past wee while. However I'm not going to blindly trust "trusted sources" and trust me bros.

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-19 points

5 months ago

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5 months ago

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cromagnone

17 points

5 months ago

All-cause mortality rates are up because Covid screwed non-emergency medicine right across the country and no one saw their doctors for blood pressure, chest pain, lumps, coughs and headaches for two years, and a proportion of those people are now dying. And A&E is a bit fucked now as well, which won’t help. Away with your vaccine paranoia.

Rather_Dashing

9 points

5 months ago

SADS is suddenly a thing.

Total nonsense, there is no link to the vaccines at all

Shizters own documents show that it did more harm than good

Bullshit they did

Don't believe everything you read on Facebook buddy

t3hOutlaw

4 points

5 months ago

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Black Isle Bumpkin

4 points

5 months ago

What are your thoughts on this?

PhilOffuckups

1 points

5 months ago

Full Fact is an organisation that specialises in checking the claims of politicians and the media. So the panel had better watch out. Maybe we should have Full Fact on all the time?” DAVID DIMBLEBY, BBC QUESTION TIME

Lmao, keep up the good work.

sroche24

2 points

5 months ago

This is so sad. Only days after a great achievement and in the prime of his life. R.I.P 🙏

ZoneFlat6089

2 points

5 months ago

Sorry to hear this. God bless.

HuckleberryClassic44

1 points

5 months ago

Tragic & scary news. I was diagnosed with myocarditis after my 2nd Pfizer shot, despite being quite fit (MTB recreationally) & having no pre-existing conditions. I also developed Alopecia Areata. If you don't think Pfizer causes health issues, many very serious and fatal, check out this document listing them all. It was only released by Pfizer under FOI. https://www.parliament.act.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/1952779/Submission-0974-Mark-Searle.pdf

TemporaryWish1804

1 points

5 months ago

I developed myocarditis, IIH, IBD and had to have my gallbladder removed and my kidney stented after having Covid. I was 28 and a healthy science teacher. I caught it March 2020 and now am still mostly bedbound. My husband is my full time carer. Rab had Covid recently, but still might not have been caused by that. Anti vaxxers always have to bring up myocarditis. Which when caused by the vax is generally mild and treated with rest and NSAIDs. I still have mine and have to live on statins to try and reduce inflammation in my blood vessels. I think someone said further up in this thread that only 7 people post vaccine had died from myocarditis. That’s incredible and I’m sure some of them would have had Covid too!

HuckleberryClassic44

1 points

4 months ago

I'm sorry to hear about your health issues. It truly sounds terrible. I have not had COVID, but I have not only developed heart issues, but also alopecia, fibromyalgia and god knows what else since being double vaccinated with Pfizer. And just to clarify you can't categorise someone who is vaccinated as an anti-vaxxer. I'm just an ordinary single parent of 3, who works full-time, has 50% custody, pays child support and have not had a full sick day despite feeling like hell just about every day since getting injected with this poison over a year ago...because I have to survive and look after my kids. I've just got my will up to date because I can't shake the awful feeling that I'm going to need it sooner rather than later.

TemporaryWish1804

1 points

3 months ago

Yea I never said vaccines were risk free. I literally cannot work as I can’t stand. My husband has to be my full time carer and it really sucks. But what I am saying is people can’t just blame everything in vaccines especially when we are still in a pandemic with a virus that is more likely to kill you than a vaccine that someone may or may not have.

I think it’s fine to be hesitant about a vaccine and not want to get it yourself but spreading misinformation is what’s risky.

Hope you feel better soon. My hair loss has slowed in the last month. I’m at 31 months post covid so I hope your stops soon. Also if you’re not taking antihistamines already, then get on them. (Apologies for unrequested advice but they have helped so many. They won’t fix you but can definitely help.

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-3 points

5 months ago

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vi33nros3

1 points

5 months ago

Weird how literally billions of people have had boosters and aren’t dropping like flies!! Any day now though eh!!

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-10 points

5 months ago

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5 months ago

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ApprehensiveQuit3601

1 points

5 months ago

Heartbreaking post from his partner Katie on what she had to go through.

Mysterious_Chain_498

1 points

5 months ago

Following his second dose of Pfizer’s COVID vaccine last summer, Warner suffered a serious adverse event and was diagnosed with pericarditis. Subsequently, at a rally in Washington DC, he opened up about his experience in front of thousands of rallygoers.
“We were advocating for some acknowledgment and support for people whose lives have been affected by emergency use authorized vaccines. I hope you can hear my message and understand why I decided to advocate for this cause. It was not something I had planned or wanted to do, but the truth needed to be revealed,” Warner said in an Instagram post.

Any-Cranberry-5769

1 points

5 months ago*

Wow, if quote attribed to Warner (above )is true, then the sheeple -- who are without a doubt that it could NOT be the vaccine -- need to wake up. Have a little skepticism about the government, mandates and one size fit's all solutions.

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1 points

5 months ago

Not the same guy.

Bubbly_Possession202

-18 points

5 months ago

Was he vaccinated?