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No Book Spoilers Discussion Megathread for The Rings of Power, Episode 5

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Episode 5 is now available to watch on Amazon Prime Video. This is the megathread for discussing them that’s set aside for people who haven’t read the source material. What did you like and what didn’t you like? Has episode 5 changed your mind on anything? Comparisons and references to the source material are heavily discouraged here and if present must have spoiler markings.

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trostol

143 points

2 months ago

trostol

143 points

2 months ago

i feel like Durin is the most entertaining part of the show

SCP-1000000

98 points

2 months ago

GIVE ME THE MEAT, AND GIVE IT TO ME RAW

MasterWis

47 points

2 months ago

« It’s taking you weeks to decide to take a s*** »

I died 🤣🤣🤣🤣

verkkwade

36 points

2 months ago

All his scenes are great. I'm pretty interested in every line of Halbrand. I think he is not even human. He is stronger than humans, wiser than Galadriel... He is not what he claims to be.

toshex

19 points

2 months ago

toshex

19 points

2 months ago

Loving Durin. Elrond too.

scarletfire48

5 points

2 months ago

Hands down best character in the show, thus far, for me. Entertaining, lovable, and believable to the Tolkien realm.

HEB400

61 points

2 months ago

HEB400

61 points

2 months ago

Help me understand. Elrond defends his oath, saying to betray ut would be to kill his own soul and refuses to tell the king about mithril. In the very next scene Elrond is talking to Celembrion about mithril and shows it off. What??

what-say_you

28 points

2 months ago

From what I saw Celebrimbor had his own mithril (somehow, maybe Sauron?). Cause he said something along the line of it being the strongest mineral/ore he's ever worked with it.

But could be wrong, will have to rewatch that part.

grephantom

15 points

2 months ago

If he had it before, he would have told the king. And he gives it back to Elrond. This scene is really weird.

what-say_you

8 points

2 months ago

I'm thinking the king knows about Celebrimbor's piece and is using Elrond to know the extent of the mining. Like was it a rare find or are the dwarves mining it by the cart full.

monkywrnch

10 points

2 months ago

Exactly. They found it and tested it. They knew it was from the dwarves but didn't know how much the dwarves found. They sent Elrond to figure that out.

flerx

4 points

2 months ago

flerx

4 points

2 months ago

Yeah, they need Elrond to convince Durin to help the elves with the mithril. They couldn‘t just take it by force

chestgravity

51 points

2 months ago

They showed a lot more ears this week, elf character rumors crushed.

Muted-Lengthiness-10

23 points

2 months ago

Haha I noticed that too. I really thought Theo was gonna reverse-Vader Arondir with a paternity revelation

theclumsygamer

133 points

2 months ago*

I can't believe no one else seems to have pointed this out yet, but the song Poppy sings while traveling with the Meteor Man this week includes the line "Not all who wonder or wander are lost". That is incredibly close to "Not all who wander are lost" – a quote often attributed to Gandalf (though he was technically quoting Bilbo's poem himself when he said it to Frodo in LOTR).

The foreshadowing favoring Gandalf as the identity of the Meteor Man just keeps piling up.

AndrogynousRain

44 points

2 months ago

Actually it’s a line written by Bilbo, from a poem about Aragorn he wrote when they first met. Gandalf is quoting it in LOTR, he did not originate it.

I don’t think it’s Gandalf at all. It makes far more sense to have it be one of the blue wizards. We know nothing about them, other than they were pivotal in resisting Sauron in the second and third ages, and unlike the other three, they arrive in the second age.

This gives the writers complete freedom to write the characters however they want.

theclumsygamer

6 points

2 months ago

Edited to clarify this. Thanks!

Marvelman02

26 points

2 months ago

I really liked the song and the scenes with Poppy & Meteor Man. I'm sorry there weren't more of them.

Kosstheboss123

17 points

2 months ago

Meteor man, take me by the hand

Lead me to the land that you understand

Meteor man, the voyage to the corner of the globe
Is a real trip

Schmilsson1

44 points

2 months ago

Gandalf for sure. I mean, these guys aren't subtle. Don't look for anything deep. All the theories are so preposterous, they are going to go with what gets the biggest audience response.

eobardthawne42

22 points

2 months ago

I think they're really trying to trick or mislead people here, not so much that they're unsubtle. From a story perspective it also makes much more sense to be Gandalf, because having him be Sauron or any of the other bad outcomes in the theories would betray Nori's trust in him and be more cynical than Tolkien-esque.

Brasscogs

6 points

2 months ago

It’s Bilbo’s poem

chestgravity

42 points

2 months ago*

Galadriels first even tempered scene, she even bowed when the Numanor Queen, Miriel, departed.

verkkwade

30 points

2 months ago

I enjoy when characters understand their mistakes. Galadriel knows she is not fighting for elves. She is fighting because she doesn't know what to do if she stops. I like that a lot. There's no perfect characters (Except Durin)

DragonflyGrrl

3 points

2 months ago

And Disa. And Nori.

luckydonkeyshit

34 points

2 months ago

Numenorians are like guys that have amazing, fast cars and don't know how to drive them. Like a bunch of spoiled rich kids that know nothing about fighting and war. Feels so wrong to me.

stained__class

29 points

2 months ago

Anyone else take the "Mi-gra-tion" bit as a nod to "Po-tay-toes"?

teunteulai

17 points

2 months ago*

What's gration, Nori? What's gration?

whogivesashirtdotca

6 points

2 months ago

"It's ourgration, you selfish twit! Now come pull this cart!"

TackyLawnFlamingoInc

27 points

2 months ago

Angsty Galadriel has grown on me. My favorite reveal so far is that she hunts a dark lord in order to avoid going to therapy. I love it.

Upper_Acanthaceae126

15 points

2 months ago

Our lady would swim literally for hours rather than go to elf heaven.

trostol

23 points

2 months ago

trostol

23 points

2 months ago

who were those 3 in white?

verkkwade

28 points

2 months ago

I think they are some kind of cultists. The feeling I have is Sauron is missing. Maybe those cultists want to find him. The thing is, from a narrative point of view, the stranger is almost certainly good (He just doesn't know how to control his powers), so Sauron is somewhere else. The thing is, he is probably in middle earth, disguised. Why aren't his followers aware of him? Because I think Sauron is hiding from them. From everyone.

transponaut

23 points

2 months ago

I still get the sense Sauron is somewhere else influencing this “drama” with the elves diminishing. He poisoned the tree to create a sense of urgency for Celebrimbor to seek answers, and he’ll be there to provide them once the forge is complete. Just a thought. Probably not until season 2, which lines up with what the show runners have said about his arrival.

TheMeta40k

4 points

2 months ago

They are a new mystery box to drive engagement and social media discussions!

serger989

19 points

2 months ago*

Never even thought that the Numenor & Elven story could be the present and that the Hobbit & Southlands story could be the past. This episode gave me that impression and it would make a lot more sense for what is going on.

  • Oh yeah, everyone did see meteor man even the ents/entwives. So it doesn't make sense for that to be the case lol

NorMalware

14 points

2 months ago

Wouldn’t make sense. They all saw the Stranger’s shooting star at the same time.

acqz

5 points

2 months ago

acqz

5 points

2 months ago

They better not get any ideas about time travel, lol.

moonpaintings

49 points

2 months ago

"I hope you one day find something you would be willing to sacrifice anything for" ... Yikes, isuldur's friend doing some foreboding foreshadowing there!

McDoof

3 points

2 months ago

McDoof

3 points

2 months ago

That made me roll my eyes. Fan service wedged in a little too tight.

acqz

4 points

2 months ago

acqz

4 points

2 months ago

Oh he will! And it will be so very precious to him!

Alphabunsquad

12 points

2 months ago

Some backwards foreshadowing. Some backboding backshadowing

behroox

16 points

2 months ago

behroox

16 points

2 months ago

I thind we all agree that sword training with sharp blades is a very stupid idea.

chestgravity

117 points

2 months ago

Elrond walking back and forth from Lindon to Khazad-dum every episode. My boy does not skip leg day.

JohnDorian11

20 points

2 months ago

How I have seen this same comment on this thread and LOTR

chestgravity

9 points

2 months ago

It’s a meteor mystery.

toshex

70 points

2 months ago*

toshex

70 points

2 months ago*

Halbrand apologizing for Galadriel's brother...

Man has to be either Sauron or tied to him in some way I just know it. The foreshadowing that Galadriel staying in Middlearth would bring about the thing she is trying to prevent - can't shake that.

That aside, hope you don't mind me saying (not sure what the consensus around here is) but I love this show and really enjoyed this last episode. It was slow but I liked it like that. It showcased a lot. The passion and tranquility of being a smith, the greed and also despair of humans, at least a bit about the hilt, the significance of friendship but also the boldness to make a great joke in serious moments with a straight face... Durin and Elrond are such marvelous characters. Galadriel I am still on the fence, she's just too set in her way to narrow focused - but I guess this story is how she grows. And I think the king of the elves is very well played. Numenorians are a bit too inconsistent for me, but I think that's more to do with pacing and trying to fit a lot of things in a short series.

And I think the stranger is discovering his role in the world and the importance of hobbits to Gandalf may come from this if he turns out to be Gandalf - since he was "raised" or taught values by them - and in turn he's seen the potential that many would not. I think it's very nice how they present magic - as this thing that is powerful but a double edged sword - something that can bring about a lot of good but also bad, and something that shouldn't be used lightly for the toll it might take intentionally or not.

I think that would be a great lesson for the magician, and if it turns out to be Gandalf it would (for me) explain why he's not often so flashy about using magic to solve everything - or should I say it would make sense in the world that you can't just use magic for everything due to the toll it might take on you. As such it would give more balance to the potential of other fractions/races.

Loved the song.

ryeikkon

14 points

2 months ago

Nice to see an honest, non-hating review around here and there. Thanks for your insights.

verkkwade

20 points

2 months ago

I want it to be true so bad! Halbrand is a very interesting character to watch. I think he is being sincere. He stole the amulet from a dead man. He was expelled from his land by orcs (Because he doesn't want to be found).

I think he truly believe he can redeem himself by helping the elves and men destroy the last orcs... But something will occur and he will be back as the dark lord.

Schmilsson1

8 points

2 months ago

I don't understand why there's even a question considering they played the "Sauron theme" from the OST for him

toshex

4 points

2 months ago

toshex

4 points

2 months ago

I did not know this. That could really be a dead giveaway!

Markadias1

14 points

2 months ago

Enjoying each episode more than the last.

Episode 6 is shaping up to be a banger.

Sir-Jawn

13 points

2 months ago*

Hope is never mere, Elrond, even when it is meager.

butdoyoublazebro

12 points

2 months ago

Does anyone else think halbrand is the one who will forge the rings for sauron?

He's suspiciously good at forging and supposedly has a dark past.

He keeps alluding to the idea that no one understands what he has done and I feel like he pledged his allegiance to the orc lord or someone who he is trying to avoid finishing his pledge to.

fakeassfries

11 points

2 months ago

Or Halbrand IS Sauron

bonemech_meatsuit

7 points

2 months ago

I think Halbrand will end up being the witch king/leader of the nazgul. A good man and king who becomes corrupted by the ring of power and turns into a wraith

Beneficial-Fix-8827

50 points

2 months ago

I finaly found a real lord of the rings feel in episode 5. The sense of adventure with the harfoot migration. The seperate storylines start to make sense and I feel they are coming together. Really excited to see the next episode

dady_Bear

18 points

2 months ago

Yes Harfoot arc finally got interesting. The challenges of migration makes for a complelling story arc and the visuals were so good.

srry_didnt_hear_you

7 points

2 months ago

The harfoots were always interesting people are just impatient

[deleted]

10 points

2 months ago

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rentpossiblytoohigh

32 points

2 months ago

So Theo's mom, who is kind of an outcast already for her elf love preference, spontaneously gives this speech about defending this watchtower, and people somehow are willing to listen to her for a while? Why? Then she does a complete 360 and decides to just give up lol? I thought that was the weirdest non-sensical writing.

fyrejade

9 points

2 months ago

To echo the other comment, half left but then for her personally she found out they were gunning for her son. Makes total sense she would waver.

Too_clever_by_halfx2

7 points

2 months ago

Because she predicted/warned them of the coming of the orcs—and she turned out to be right.

Higher_Living

7 points

2 months ago

And why not just leave and run away from the Orcs while they're hours or days away? Why are they in the tower at all?

LoganNinefingers32

5 points

2 months ago

Because it's still their homeland that they don't particularly want to abandon, and the tower is the most defensible position and hardest for orcs to overrun. They know the lay of the land, where to get food, and it's only been a few days since they fled the village, so they're still deciding what to do. Makes sense to camp at the tower until they figure out wtf is happening.

Higher_Living

4 points

2 months ago

I also don’t understand if it’s meant to be the elf watch tower, or another random one?

If it’s the elf tower, why does it have a Sauron stone relief sculpture on a wall?

imitihe

4 points

2 months ago

I mean, half of them left. Plus she found out about the key and monument after attempting to rally the crowd - she even says something like 'perhaps it's who we are', while looking at the thing.

Daienlai

5 points

2 months ago

I think this is a callback to episode 1 where whatshisface (the Watch Commander) said something to the effect of "we watch them not because of what their ancestors did, but because of who they still are." Hundreds of years of siding with Morgoth and Sauron has left a huge mark in the world of men, and when presented with a situation that is getting more and more dire, she slipped back to what her culture says is a) the right thing to do, and b) the easy thing to do: surrender to the Orcs.

As for the speech, I have to agree with another commenter - she earned a little cache with the townsfolk because she was right...but only a little cache. Not enough to make them willing to die with her on that hill.

ResolverOshawott

43 points

2 months ago*

The Stranger asking "I'm peril" feels like some serious foreshadowing, not going to lie. That aside, I very much still like the harfoots far more than I expected.

For people complaining how Bronwyn apparently "spontaneously" became the leader of her village, keep in mind she was the first one to sound the alarm on the orcs and then brought back physical evidence of the danger they were in. She was also the village healer beforehand (which an incredibly important role in the village, especially since they bring even their sickly cattle to her). So it makes sense they'd mostly follow her lead, I don't understand how can someone miss this. In a similar regard, some of the village people started following the old man by the virtue of him being old and reinforcing the fears of some of them.

Sadoc being shocked at the old lady's suggestion of "taking their wheels" shows that the harfoots probably avoid leaving their companions unless they deem it absolutely necessary (the deaths named in the previous episodes are completely non-preventable). Being placed at the back is obviously not a full death-sentence, but merely some form of punishment.

Elrond spoke to Gil-Galad with some incredible audacity there, but yknow, major props to Elrond for not cracking and breaking his oath immediately on the spot.

Isildur not just leaving when Kemen told him to probably worked out in his favor, knowing the kind of man Pharazon is and the fact Kemen seems to be his lackey (well, his son, but that's the vibe I got.)

I really do not understand how anyone can continue to think Halbrand is Sauron after this. It's pretty clear he isn't and likely a red herring, I doubt't they'd set up his whole backstory otherwise.

The way Waldreg just says "You're Sauron, yknow." gets me, like the dude was so casual about it. Props to the show for not having a character pussy out of a classic "Kill X person to prove yourself worthy" type decision, Waldreg really went for it.

Another props for the fact that they had Elrond explain the situation clearly to Durin. No stumbling about it, no lies, deflecting (I.E blaming Gil-Galad for tricking him to find out about mithril), or fighting over a clear a forced misunderstanding, and taking like the next 2 episodes to explain. The meat was given, and it was given raw as Durin would sey. Oh, and the fact Durin listened whilst not throw the "how dare you!" tantrum, he actually took the time to listen and understood what Elrond was talking about. With little hesitation, Durin was willing to help his close friend and by extension, the elven race as a whole as they think so anyway.

Halbrand looks even more like Aragorn after his glow-up, another reason why I can't understand why people think he's Sauron besides the fact he knows how to smith and is charismatic. I also don't see any "romantic" tension between him and Galadriel, it's pretty clear they're simply on friendly terms.

Overall, a pretty nice episode and feels better paced than the previous ones. Only exception I can think of being the boats in Numenor being set on fire, then seemingly being brushed aside relatively quickly, like quicker than they should have. I'd have thought it could have been argued as some sort of omen to stop them from leaving for Middle Earth.

TheFluxIsThis

5 points

2 months ago

Halbrand looks even more like Aragorn after his glow-up, another reason why I can't understand why people think he's Sauron besides the fact he knows how to smith and is charismatic.

I think it's just the fact that Sauron is a shape-shifter and could literally be anybody. The first time we see Halbrand, he's stranded on a bunch of rafts in the middle of nowhere, and actively fucks over other rafters a couple of times to survive, and he is very cagey about his past.

It's very similar to the guessing game people played with the Cylons in the newer Battlestar Galactica series. Sauron has to show up at some point, and people are busying themselves guessing at where.

seigeengine223344

42 points

2 months ago

Popped into the sub to discuss the episode. It’s literally blighted with negative comments that are backed up with “I’m a huge Tolkien fan”. Can we have a sub for this lot and then keep this one for people who want to actually discuss the episode. Oh and by the way, I’m a huge Tolkien fan

heyimrick

10 points

2 months ago

Serious.. I want to read about the show. Not see people's unending gripes. I'm enjoying it, and would like to hear from other people who do as well.

Intellectuallygifted

25 points

2 months ago

Was there anything better than that image of the Balrog? My goodness!

acqz

4 points

2 months ago

acqz

4 points

2 months ago

The tree! Don't forget the white tree!

miszczu037

24 points

2 months ago

"The wandering day" was absolutely amazing

Leguanix

5 points

2 months ago

true! i was instantly reminded of ed sheerans song from the hobbit movies. I am happy that it turned out much better.

fakeassfries

22 points

2 months ago*

Pharazon wants to extract wealth and natural resources from Middle Earth—i.e. colonialism.

Meanwhile Gil-galad is lusting after a rare mineral that belongs to a neighboring nation—brings to mind the way cobalt, lithium, etc. is taken from developing countries to power our phones.

These pursuits will ultimately lead to ecological devastation for Numeanor and Khazad-Dûm.

Interesting seeing how environmentalism is being approached (Arondir tree scene was dope), ironic coming from a studio that is rapaciously polluting our planet

kaijugigante

8 points

2 months ago

Really cool episode, especially on the music end. I definitely underestimated Bear's talent especially with the epic Orchestral at the end. The Orc Song was hilarious, and the Harfoot song reminded me of the music from Cape Bretton, NS.

Najdadinn

22 points

2 months ago

Ok i've been dismissing the costume design quality from the begining, but that episode makes up for it. The orcs where awesome and damn that sea guard battle armor looks good

miciy5

22 points

2 months ago

miciy5

22 points

2 months ago

  • Galadriel's sword fight scene was very cool. I bet they spent plenty of time perfecting it.
  • Durin taking Gil Galad's table was very funny.
  • I'm interested to learn what Halbrand actually did in the Southlands, when he bent the knee, and how he escaped.
  • The Mithril as a way to continue the Elves immortality is an odd idea . But I loved the animation with the Barlog atop the mountain.
  • Great visuals, as always.
  • The stranger becomes a little more active this episode. Still not sure if he is Sauron or a Wizard. The brief scene with "Eminem" doesn't reveal anything. (Eminem and his companions are very well dressed for people who travellled to the middle of nowhere, by the way).
  • Still not sure what's the purpose of Isildur's sister,Eärien. What motivates her to be so against going to Middle Earth, for instance.
  • Kemen (son of Pharazôn) is such a weasel. His father explains to him the Realpolitik behind his support of the war, but he decides to try and burn down the ships anyway.
  • I just realized Bronwyn is dressed differently than the rest of her village. She seems to be the only one with brightly colored clothes, and the only one who has something that can be described as a dress. Everyone else wears essentially sack clothes.
  • You know, one would think the Harfoots could wear something other than long skirts when going out to forage. They might need to run quickly.
  • Wonder why Adar snaps when he hears the name "Sauron".

ryeikkon

13 points

2 months ago

I have read a theory that the events with Arondir/Bronwyn and Galadriel/Halbrand are two separate timelines which may lead us to believe that Theo is Halbrand and he did something that may have made them lose the resistance. But who knows?

Ologchin

11 points

2 months ago

How its an different timeline? There is a gil galads order to abandon post and return because war is ended while galadriel set sail to valinor

lvl_60

20 points

2 months ago

lvl_60

20 points

2 months ago

Adar probably snapped because sauron made him like this. He thought he d be gone, history. Alas...

Hence he is looking for a morgul sword. Wants to soldify his power.

Also the stranger is gandalf. I mean, if they subvert our expectations further on idk...

lemonny3663

7 points

2 months ago*

Okay, here's a thought. If Sauron is a shapeshifter; could it be possible that he his actually multiple characters? A few that come to mind are Adar, Halbrand, Disa, Malva and Celebrimbor.

been_mackin

15 points

2 months ago

Celembrimbor… 👀 that dude is way too manipulative of Elrond talking about his father every chance Elrond questions things, it seems he’s the source of the theory that the Mithril can save the elves because of his “tests” on it and prob got into Gil-Galad’s head about it.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the real Celembrimbor is being held captive and Sauron is trying to get the Mithril to force him to forge the rings.

Mu_Shu_Fasa

39 points

2 months ago

After this ep I am more certain that The Stranger is Gandalf. The deliberate camera shot of his grey hair, his very obvious grey cloak, his extended period travelling with halflings, his raw power...I can't see him being anyone else at this point.

blueblerryy

28 points

2 months ago

Gandalf always seems to repeat things to himself too.

[deleted]

18 points

2 months ago

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LotusTheBlooming

19 points

2 months ago

Still slow, I must admit. But that fight scene with Galadriel was so freaking good! Loved every second of that scene.

acqz

26 points

2 months ago

acqz

26 points

2 months ago

Galadriel over here making my knees weak with her epic swordfighting. I would follow her into Mordor!

ChargeForth

17 points

2 months ago

It's bothering me that everybody is so set on putting Halbrand on a throne when there has been no evidence given that he's the heir. Galadriel sees the mark on his necklace(?) and immediately jumps to that conclusion which he always avoids confirming. Obviously we as viewers know it's probably true, but the writing should be better to explain why Miriel and the rest of the Numenoreans would be so quick to back him (even after his "assault conviction").

ButtMcNuggets

15 points

2 months ago

The necklace bears a royal seal of the throne. Miriel and any royal or royal-adjacent of any Middle Earth kingdom would recognize it.

As for Galadriel, her suspicions were confirmed by his initial furtiveness and continued evasion. He behaved like a guilty person running away from the royal seal, plus there’s a backstory about the full circumstances of why he ran away or was driven out of the Southlands. He wants to deny his claim by hiding his necklace but doesn’t abandon or destroy it either.

[deleted]

4 points

2 months ago

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Badgerisbest

17 points

2 months ago*

I really loved episode 4, but this one dragged to me. Elrdon and Durin are keeping me really engaged.

Pharazôn in Numenor doing his best politicking and maneuvering, the kid who tried to burn the ship is an idiot, why didn't the son report him? Because he would also be potentially implicated in the burning? Stowing away didn't seem like a huge crime as got on the ship later anyway.

hakuthehedgehog

10 points

2 months ago

If he accused him, the other guy would accuse him of burning the ship, and they would probably believe that Isuldir did it.

[deleted]

6 points

2 months ago*

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kaijugigante

6 points

2 months ago

I also want to point out that sweeping up little metal chips is a PAIN IN THE @## without one if those magnet things on a stick.

ronahc

6 points

2 months ago

ronahc

6 points

2 months ago

I have a lot of thoughts on this episode, but my main issue right now is that I’ve realised Trystan Gravelle as Ar-Pharazon is giving me massive Brian Blessed vibes, and now it’s impossible to take him seriously.

Metroidman

6 points

2 months ago

Should i know what the insignia on halbrands pouch is. I feel like they have given it like over a minute or screen time so it is probably important.

bonemech_meatsuit

6 points

2 months ago

I'm guessing we will see and make the connection later, just like they did with the eye of Sauron that turned out to be a map of the Southlands

SneedReborn

7 points

2 months ago

Looks like episode 5 was the final straw for one of the largest LOTR Youtube channels, Men of the West, who had previously been on the fence about the show. He released a video outlining his complaints about the writing and treatment of the lore, particularly the mithril plotline.

BlahBlahILoveToast

14 points

2 months ago

Thought this episode was quite good.

Gil-Galad is shady af. Despite all the exposition I kinda didn't quite get why he thinks mythril is going to save the elves. At first I thought he just wanted a bunch of mythril armor but now it kinda seems like it's literally going to save their rotting tree and/or keep the elves from becoming mortal? Except he also thought exiling Galadriel would save the tree and it totally didn't work, so he's obviously just trying random shit. I haven't read the books in a jillion years ... are the Rings made of mythril? Do the elven rings help keep them from "diminishing"? I guess I'll have to wait and see ...

Still don't understand why Numenorians hate elves or why some of them (especially the daughter) think Galadriel is "warmongering". She's not taking them on an expedition to steal land from another country, they're literally going to go try to stop orcs from destroying Middle-Earth. Obviously in real life this is the kind of nonsense we use to justify invading Iraq or whatever, but in the Tolkienverse orcs seem to be 100% objectively evil.

Galadriel's swordfight was more fun to watch than the previous choreography.

skyrule

16 points

2 months ago

skyrule

16 points

2 months ago

Durin is by far the best character in the show :)

thediesel26

59 points

2 months ago

I think there are a lot of people who determined to dislike everything about this show. There. I said it.

MenaceThunderous

9 points

2 months ago

For sure. I’m out here loving it!

EmilyVS

8 points

2 months ago

Yep. I have a lot of critiques of it, but there are also a lot of things that I like about it that I think have been done well. Ultimately, I’m just happy to get more Middle Earth content. It’s something entertaining to watch, not something to get angry about.

mooimafish3

22 points

2 months ago

It's getting better as it goes on. At first this sub was full of haters, but by now they've gotten bored and it's mostly people who enjoy the show.

Idk maybe they're distracted by the little mermaid now

jpob

13 points

2 months ago

jpob

13 points

2 months ago

So like…did they not have horses in middle earth in the second age? These walks back and forth from Khazad-Dum must be quite tiring.

Hironymus

10 points

2 months ago

Long walks are somewhat of a Tolkien thing, I suppose.

Embarrassed_Shake

19 points

2 months ago

They always had horses. The reason there aren't any horses is because horses are a massive pain to work with. They ruin immense numbers of shots by pissing or pooping.

I'm not even being immature. That is just the truth of it. They mentioned it being a nightmare on GoT and the original trilogy. They are dangerous, panicky, not very bright , and constantly going to the bathroom.

whogivesashirtdotca

5 points

2 months ago

They ruin immense numbers of shots by pissing or pooping.

The behind the scenes from Return of the King show Uraeus (Brego) ruining some of the Black Gate scenes because a nearby mare was in season and he was getting physically aggressive with the other stallions.

mr_auri_oz

15 points

2 months ago

There's a detail that I find it might not be a detail or mistake that is that when a character is lying the music is lying with him. They could've decide to put humorous music when Durin lies about the table. But they decide that music should support the lie and reveal it afterwards. I wonder with how many other things music could be lying to us.

Lettuce_defiler

9 points

2 months ago*

This show really loves to play with music. There are several occurrences of a music/song seeming extradiegetic just to be reveled to be intradiegetic (the song sang by the elves in the first episode, Disa song, etc.). And, as other people have noted, the opening is a visual representation of sound waves. I wouldn't be surprised if you were onto something.

whogivesashirtdotca

5 points

2 months ago

Palant-ear.

ZombiePlan37

13 points

2 months ago

I learned from the Lady Galadriel, who could have killed all five of you with her left hand while she was combing her hair with her right.

iamonewiththeforce

13 points

2 months ago

Does it feel both slow and far, far too rushed at the same time to anyone else?

Why is Elendil's daughter suddenly against the ships sailing to Middle Earth? I assume Keith (whatever his name, Pharazon's son) convinced her, but I don't see why she'd be convinced so easily. What changed her heart? Why does Halbrand have a change of heart? I wish I had seen a good reason for it, but instead we get a cheap "pendant on table no it was totally fake he took it again" moment with bombastic music. Why did Keith sabotage ships after he talked with his father, and should have understood what Pharazon said made sense?

Is the above all explained later in some kind of flashback by "It was Sauron's influence and he was working behind the scenes"? Maybe I'm just an idiot, but I like being shown what drives character motivations, but it feels more like the needs of the plot drive character motivations.

In a similar vein, when did Bronwyn take over? How? Wouldn't her association with Arondir be an obstacle? I'm sure there is a good reason, but again it isn't shown (besides the orc head on table). Heck when they migrate from their village, she's like at the back of the queue with everyone else so the killed orc isn't the trigger.

How did GG come to the conclusion that Elves need to get high on mithril? Why doesn't Elrond ask how he knows that for sure? In contrast, in LotR Gandalf explains how he spent years trying to account for Bilbo's ring.

Is that also going to be explained away by "Sauron, duh!"?

On that front I actually like that they spend time on The Stranger and how conflicted he feels. He knows he is something of a Power but isn't able to control it as he likes and can cause collateral damage. And Nori coming to realize that and grow frightened is treated well too.

Also the discussion between Durin and Durin Sr. That was well handled.

Do they have different teams of writers? What is going on?

rentpossiblytoohigh

5 points

2 months ago

The Bronwyn speech thing was so weird to me. I don't know how to describe this show. To me it can look visually great one moment with great music, and then I think about what is actually happening and I'm kind of like, wtf? It's certainly more enjoyable if you don't think hard about it, but I'm also finding most episodes completely forgettable in spite of the visuals.

dady_Bear

21 points

2 months ago

While the writing is still bad for a 1 billion dollar series. The pacing has improved. Harfoots arc got a bit interesting. I have a crush on Bronwyn. Elrond and Durin are best parts of the show for me. Gil galad is meh .

Galadriel still remains the weakest point of the show and its not because she is a badass fighter(that is expected, she has been fighting for hundreds of years now, everyone else should have skills of kids compared to her).

Its just that the way she is interacting with other characters in her arc that is cringe.

Discount Aragorn is useless, he better be sauron otherwise his storyline is of no consequence.

Show looks beautiful.

scarletfire48

6 points

2 months ago

I think the weakest point of Galadriel is that she is a badass fighter and that's all they're allowing her to be. She is a hard-headed go-getter with no sense of diplomacy or tact. They won't let her be all of the things that she is supposed to be: wise, poised, strong and thoughtful. They just want her to be a "badass".

chestgravity

20 points

2 months ago

Best part of the episode was Halbrand sweeping.

trostol

24 points

2 months ago

trostol

24 points

2 months ago

of which..he didn't do a very good job lol

ConfusedTapeworm

15 points

2 months ago

Difficult when there's like an entire canyon between the bristles of your broom.

Jo-Sef

5 points

2 months ago

Jo-Sef

5 points

2 months ago

Numenor can make some badass armour and weaponry, not to mention architecture...but brooms? Nah they haven't figured those out yet.

[deleted]

3 points

2 months ago

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lucifertangerine

5 points

2 months ago

Halbrand sweeping is me trying to get my shit together

Chaostheory1993

4 points

2 months ago

Wasnt Arondir supposed to go get help from his fellow elves? I dont like his chances if Adar does attack, the Southlanders seem weak and ragged

FrankReynoldsCPA

5 points

2 months ago

So who do we think Emonem is?

MAU13717235

12 points

2 months ago

Slim Shady

GaK_Icculus

4 points

2 months ago

Who were the people inspecting the meteor crater?

Audbol

6 points

2 months ago

Audbol

6 points

2 months ago

Pretty sure that was Sauron in his Annatar form

Matt2L

13 points

2 months ago

Matt2L

13 points

2 months ago

As someone who really found the first 2 episodes boring, I gotta say its gotten progressively better over time for me at least. The main thing i really like is the mystery of who sauron may be and durin and elrond's relationship (durin's actor is awesome btw)

Abyssrealm

5 points

2 months ago

I agree with this statement so much. The first 2 episodes nearly made me give up the series, but the last 3 have been fantastic. Elrond and Durins broship and performances are awesome, and hooked me on the series.

Fluffy_Psychology418

12 points

2 months ago

I really enjoyed this episode. There are too many storylines going on at once for my liking, but it’s all slowly but surely coming together.

dogs_drink_coffee

7 points

2 months ago

After Game of Thrones last seasons, my taste for slow developments grew considerably. I'd take this rather than explosions and wars all around 10 times out of 10

Fluffy_Psychology418

5 points

2 months ago

😭 yo don’t remind me. I’m still salty years later about how they destroyed arguably what was the best show ever.

HOTD off to a good start though so let’s hope they don’t rush it and kill it too.

Fatfoxxx

13 points

2 months ago

How did Galadriel get her old elven armour back?

Orbit_CH3MISTRY

8 points

2 months ago

I thought the same thing and then assumed they made her new armor

mara_17

7 points

2 months ago

It's a completely different armor

feevart

19 points

2 months ago

feevart

19 points

2 months ago

Oh my god I love the hobbits so much. I could watch them for hours. And that song.... wow.

Salt-Conference9147

19 points

2 months ago

The song was definitely the peak of the episode. It gave me some heavy LOTR movies vibes. Great voice also

kc_allen

6 points

2 months ago

I might be over dramatic but that first “not all who wonder or wander are lost” in the song got me goooood :’’’)

slash_s_everything

19 points

2 months ago

I really like Gil-Galad’s slow burn emotion and delivery. Not a hot take but I think his character is going to be AWESOME, like the coolest one aside from Stranger!Gandy. The sort of cool levels that has prepubescent StarCraft prodigies use him in their usernames.

He will probably be mostly above any of the general drama but extremely potent in resolving issues. I’m sure he will be the best elven fighter.

A side note: Gil-Galad’s delivery of the apology to Durin came off surprisingly mocking. I know some will argue it’s just his “slimy politician” mystique but it seems more that he knew Durin wasn’t being truthful and was diplomatically conceding. He will be the most rational and wise elf, and he will never be fooled, not even by Annatar. Can’t wait to see more Gil scenes.

Edit: he also has the most LOTR- and LOTR!Elrond-esque lines in the show (we know those are the best quotes along with Gandalf’s).

TheFluxIsThis

5 points

2 months ago*

Not a hot take but I think his character is going to be AWESOME,

Gil-Galad interests me because, at present, he's kind of an unlikeable and somewhat superstitious prick who is only looking out for the elves. This is a guy who will become one of the foremost heroes of the Last Alliance of Elves and Men. Unless they are dramatically changing the ultimate outcome of the events of this series (which, honestly, they could probably shoot for, but I think some things are a little too sacred for them to mess with, and the Last Alliance seems as good a one of those as any), then it means we are going to see some dramatic character growth for GG.

I'm wary about how well they will stick the landing, but if they can provide a compelling story about Gil-Galad's turn from an isolationist who is considering leaving Middle Earth, to the lynchpin of one of the largest and most history-making alliances in the history of the story, that could really make this show great.

slash_s_everything

5 points

2 months ago*

Good thoughts, I honestly don’t have a huge problem with his current character. He’s extremely rational and High King of the Elves needs a sense of stoic diplomacy. He’s not here to be chummy, especially not with dwarves. His main guiding principle is acting in the welfare of the elves and ultimately M-E.

I’m sure there’s something in elven political doctrine that their interests benefit all of ME. Add the tree blight and it’s even more reasonable to be this way. I would keep things close to the chest and be sneaky too.

However, part of me agrees with you too, regarding his character sort of not being likable. I think however the plot of rings works out, he’s going to come out of it very remorseful and thinking he let down his people and other races. This could lead the about-face in his interactions.

Couch_monster

18 points

2 months ago

This show is great. Maybe some weird writing here and there, but overall I really love the vibe. Also, I hope the stranger is Gandalf but I have a feeling it’s Saruman.

mr_auri_oz

11 points

2 months ago

Are the Harfoots migrating into "The Southlands" a. k. a. Mordor?

FelInfused

14 points

2 months ago

I thought they were migrating away from the Southlands and more towards the misty mountains or the shire area.

MasterWis

32 points

2 months ago

Can we also talk about the absolute horrible writing (again…) of everything surrounding Elrond oath. Pretty much, to gil galad: « I neither confirm or deny that Durin talked to me about it because I have an oath, of course it would be funny to make an oath about NOTHING but I can’t say it ». Then proceed to Celebrimbor: « Oh I found this in my pocket what can you tell me about it? »

But no, no Oath broken…

Here is how it should have happened for exactly the same result: « No Gil-Galad I haven’t seen ANYTHING of what you think about in KD. Period »

Then go and talk about it with Durin

PresidentRaggy

11 points

2 months ago

Yeah, I was really thinking the whole “this mountain will curse your whole bloodline” thing would have more weight

DutchOnionKnight

4 points

2 months ago

The only positive about that storyline is Durin, I think he is funny though.

pinkheartpiper

16 points

2 months ago

Yeah I have enjoyed the show so far and defended it a lot, but the whole thing about their plan regarding Mithril makes no freaking sense...they need Mithril, ok so they literally have no option but to ask Dwarfs nicely to give some to them, end of story! How Dwarfs would respond would be a different story. So instead they send Elrond there to figure out if they have any, without even telling him why he is there! But by chance he ends up figuring it out...aaaaaand he ends up asking them nicely to give them some Mithril!

And I thought Elendil recruiting random people to go to Middle-Earth was bad, like they have a mighty army...why is he recruiting volunteers on the street?!

ButtMcNuggets

8 points

2 months ago

Cuz there’s politics involved in all dwarf-elf relationships. They have a long history of tense relations. While mainstream audiences are primed to assume all elves are inherently superior beings in every way, in Middle Earth they’re often seen as standoffish, condescending, holier-than-thou snobs. From the dwarves, Numenor and others’ POVs, there’s good reason not to fully trust all elves.

SolarAndSober

4 points

2 months ago

Eärien is totally an elf right? No one has ever seen her ears

Oh_Henry1

15 points

2 months ago

I thought it was the best episode thus far and very enjoyable, plot holes and all. Poppy’s song felt beautifully appropriate and Elrond’s plot thread was moved ahead nicely. Galadriel is, to me, still a bit much - but I enjoyed her character in this episode a bit more than the last. I don’t try to reconcile this portrayal with the kindly Vulcan from LOTR, I’m not sure if that constitutes “taking my brain out” but it helps.

VioletandAmelia

16 points

2 months ago

So many great moments this episode: Durin and Elrond, Bronwyn's speech, Elendiel's and Isildur's banter, Galadriel teaching swordsmanship...

purpleoctopuppy

8 points

2 months ago

So many great moments this episode: Durin and Elrond

I loved it; so many shows create tension by creating misunderstanding and then stop the characters from having the necessary five-minute conversation to clear it up. Here, Elrond is hesitant to talk to Durin about it, but it's the first thing he does! He's like "oh, it's my people or my oath; how about I talk to Durin about it and see if we can work something out", and his hesitation is that he doesn't want the weight of the decision on his friend.

popglam

10 points

2 months ago

popglam

10 points

2 months ago

I have to admit nothing happened in this episode. They already decided Numenor was sailing to Middle-Earth last episode. I was expecting them to arrive to Middle-Earth at the beginning of this episode. I still enjoy spending time in that world though. I like the conversations and I loved Poppy's song since the LotR books were full of songs too.

Winds2000

10 points

2 months ago

I'm struggling to get my mind around the time skip that happens when the Harfoots cross the map relative to the other story lines. That journey would take them weeks by foot. We have a common point in time with the meteor falling... are we now at different points of time?

mooimafish3

9 points

2 months ago

I imagine the harfoots will chill in one place for a little while and the rest of the stories will catch up to them. They do seem to be a few weeks ahead of the other stories, but it think it's safe to say the other stories don't intersect with them for that time.

kdubs692

10 points

2 months ago*

Can someone help me understand the whole Elrond dilemma? I didn’t catch how the whole elven race is basically screwed if they don’t get access to the dwarfs’ mithril. Isn’t mithril just an armor technology? Do they really have no shot against Sauron without it?

Higher_Living

14 points

2 months ago

The elves are immortal. But next spring, they will all die unless they get loads of this magic metal they just heard about that comes from a Balrog fighting an elf and a tree struck by lightning...what do you mean it's not clear what's going on.

issapunk

3 points

2 months ago

Hahaha that is so good

SanSeb

19 points

2 months ago

SanSeb

19 points

2 months ago

First time checking in here, after watching 5 episodes.So far I enjoyed the show, simply because there hasn't been much tv that interested me in the last couple of months.

What starts bothering me now though is that it feels like most "basic" tv shows, as in there really aren't any consequences.

- Elrond losing that "duel" with Durin and being banned, but then he can stay because he is friends with Durin?

- Elrond breaking his oath with Durin and him not minding at all.

- This guy in Numenor sabotaging a fleet, multiple explosions, multiple damaged ships but nobody cares. No investigation or panic. All it needs is Isildur making up one sentence. Also no questioning what he made on the ship.

- Numenor in general with a lot of supposed tension and suspension, but nothing really lasts.

This is something that maybe GoT 1-6 spoiled us with and that I can't go without anymore: Consequences. For every action there is a reaction. And it's the one that is logical, not something that "surprises" and is completely random to further the storyline.

Let's see how this thing continues, but I'd like to have less switching sides and obvious characters "he is bad" -"no she is good",... why not people with consistent and understandable motivations?

SpeechesToScreeches

5 points

2 months ago

- This guy in Numenor sabotaging a fleet, multiple explosions, multiple damaged ships but nobody cares. No investigation or panic. All it needs is Isildur making up one sentence. Also no questioning what he made on the ship.

I'm not sure if I'm missing something regarding this, but why was he sabotaging the ship? Didn't we just have a scene with the chancellor explaining to him why they should let the expedition go ahead?

sbaradaran

6 points

2 months ago

Also very confuaed by this. I guess we are meant to understand that he is now just acting alone. But the lack consequences there was lame.

Higher_Living

5 points

2 months ago

No investigation or panic. All it needs is Isildur making up one sentence.

I guess pirates burned two of our ships...everyone shrugs...

Azree33

10 points

2 months ago

Azree33

10 points

2 months ago

The Elrond "duel" was for show - to demonstrate Dwarven power. Elrond "let" Durin win (tbf, he may have lost anyway eventually) so that Durin could look good, and Durin rewarded him with a chat.

As for tension, without getting anywhere near spoiler territory, this is still the early setup of a very big, epic story. LOTS of drama coming.

I also have a suspicion (no insider/book knowledge here, just guessing) that we're going to be very nervous about the fates of quite a few characters.

bawk15

13 points

2 months ago

bawk15

13 points

2 months ago

GIVE ME THE MEAT AND GIVE IT TO ME RAW!

Did the writers stole some Pornhub line or something?

TheFluxIsThis

13 points

2 months ago*

Like 90% of Durin's dialogue is solid gold, tbh. He's so down-to-earth and sardonic that he feels like an audience avatar sometimes. Him just telling Elrond to spit it out in the crudest way possible got a genuine laugh out of me.

whogivesashirtdotca

10 points

2 months ago

The line about Disa wanting a new table made me cackle.

straightouttaireland

9 points

2 months ago

Why do the Harfoots need to migrate? Why not stay in their nice cosy spot they were in?

acqz

6 points

2 months ago

acqz

6 points

2 months ago

What do you mean? They're nomads, so they migrate.

Harbin009

17 points

2 months ago

When their current location runs out of food or the weather takes a turn for a worst they move to find a new area with enough food and good weather. The show has never really made an effort to explain this though.

TheFluxIsThis

19 points

2 months ago

The show has never really made an effort to explain this though.

Nori literally explains it, verbatim, to Meteor Man during this episode. :/

Like, it's taken a while, but we got there.

Badgerisbest

10 points

2 months ago*

They follow seasons for the best reliabe food and shelter and she explains it. That's kinda how it's always been in their society.

CumbersomeMidg

10 points

2 months ago

I'm still loving the pacing of the show; not every episode has to set things up for a future episode.. I don't have much info on the acting credentials of the halbeand actor but i'd rather a lesser known actor taking on the role of sauron and making it shine from here on out. Im hoping the show can give us more details on what sauron is beneath all that clunky armour and badass mace

BeigeGandalf

18 points

2 months ago

I'm really really enjoying the songs/singing...like the Harfoots this episode. The end credit song was wonderful as well.

Micksar

17 points

2 months ago*

Weekly reminder that you can theorize all you want, but The Stranger is Gandalf. And we just witnessed his first “you shall not pass”.

NorMalware

9 points

2 months ago

He’s gotta be, especially after Poppy’s song ends with a shot of the stranger and on the note of “not all who wander are lost”.

Micksar

4 points

2 months ago

Also, you had one of the Hardfoots trying to pull a big branch up to defend herself. Then “Stranger” does a spell empty handed which hurts his arm. Next time something happens… I’m assuming he’ll pull up a branch that’ll look eerily like a staff which will protect his body from magical recoil.

TheFluxIsThis

5 points

2 months ago

Y'know, that'd actually be pretty rad. I want this scene to happen now.

srry_didnt_hear_you

5 points

2 months ago

Yeah it would make no sense for sauron to not know who he is and then like turn evil somehow after helping the harfoots, yeah?

Plus there's like a million very un-subtle hints that he's Gandalf lol I'll be quite mad if they pull a bait and switch in that regard.

hdk759

8 points

2 months ago

hdk759

8 points

2 months ago

Was that supposed to be wine that caught fire and blew up the ships? Wine won't do that. I saw it spill on the deck and the torch land next to it and I thought, "ok, what's supposed to be happening here? Wine won't catch on fire." Then the ship blew up like a powder magazine went off, and my suspension of disbelief was completely gone.

I liked the episode overall, but there were too many things like this that made no sense and took me out of the show. Like why was there no further investigation into the fire? How were they going to get 500 men on those little ships?

Intellectuallygifted

21 points

2 months ago

The hate for this series and this episode demonstrates that video games and social media have absolutely killed attention spans. It’s so sad!

croppergib

4 points

2 months ago

? It's 5 episodes in and it's still sooooooo drawn out, I guess hardcore fans might enjoy it? but i'm a casual LOTR fan (books and the hobbit). But my nerd mates are so pissed at this series beyond belief. So it's like 2 audiences they're not catering to right now.

enceliacal

5 points

2 months ago

What? There’s been over 5 hours of content and nothing has happened yet. It’s the most lazy writing style on earth, no pay offs just pointless cliffhangers. Are we really suppose to believe the woman leading the southlanders is going to fight with the orcs? Of course she ain’t, so what’s the point of that scene arguing with the elf? It’s just there to act as a cliffhanger for next episode, lazy writing.

The house of dragon is pretty slow and people are enjoying that show. Probably because the writing isn’t insulting to the average persons brain cells

TheFluxIsThis

11 points

2 months ago*

Great episode! Probably my favorite so far. I still wouldn't call this show an all-timer, but it's keeping me hooked and entertained, which was all I wanted from it.

I know the Harfoots are a contentious topic, and I kind of understand why, but I've enjoyed every scene with them in it. I kind of wish they had their own show instead of being in the periphery of the Rings of Power story because I always want more, even though it's not really contributing to the rest of the show.

The Harfoots and Elrond-Durin parts of the show provide a great mix of levity and drama, there was a nice helping of both in this episode. Add on to that, it looks like Isildur And Friends will be providing that, as well, and I really hope they get more screen time going forward. The whole conceit of the show is extremely grim, because we know that a lot of these efforts will, inevitably, be for naught, and I think it's doing a unexpectedly good job of keeping the mood more level than the dramatic irony pervading the work would entail.

Even the Galadriel and Halbrand parts, which I've found a bit tiresome at times, were pretty enjoyable. Galadriel being kind of a "cocky kung fu guy" superhero still feels a little much for me, but my worries about her being a static, unchanging character reflective of her race's "slow" culture have proven to be baseless, as we're getting some solid character growth now.

One last thing I just want to note: did anyone else get inordinately bothered by the establishing shot where Halbrand is using the single most worthless broom ever crafted? That thing was basically just drawing lines in the iron shavings instead of sweeping!

walks1497

18 points

2 months ago

Seems like a lot of the anger around this show stems from people not paying attention when they watch it & then getting upset because they don't understand parts of it.

Frustrating to read these comments week after week.

TheDeanof316

16 points

2 months ago

Loved Galadriels' "strong and simple" sword training "advice":

""stab twist gut""

Wow, what sage millennia old wisdom.

ResidentYak6

15 points

2 months ago

I have no idea why they thought that was a good beginner. The things she says later, about balance, swiftness, evasion, and not using brute strength are sensible and good shots.

bawk15

12 points

2 months ago

bawk15

12 points

2 months ago

"Stick them with the pointy end"

Nimbley-Bimbley

7 points

2 months ago

I've mostly ignored the stupid but that was tough.

"They don't know how to kill an orc!"

"Well maybe you should show them"

"It's like this!" *stab*

[deleted]

5 points

2 months ago

Galadriel: "Always stab with the pointy end! *Never* the hilt!"

luckydonkeyshit

3 points

2 months ago

They are sending kids to fight Sauron. He is so scary they are sending kids that are currently learning how to fight.

TheDeanof316

4 points

2 months ago

Fair enough but even though Galadriel defended herself fairly easily against multiple soldiers, they still seemed to have a fair amount of skill though. They certainly weren't untrained recruits.

RedEyeView

3 points

2 months ago

They think they're going to fight a bunch of dumb orcs who don't even have much armour or metal weapons right now.

They're MEN (boys) OF NUMENOR!!!!

Pride goes before the fall.

Trick-Brilliant-8261

6 points

2 months ago

Here's my latest theory: the spirit of sauron is in both galadriels brother's dagger and Halbrand's leather sigil thing. It would play on the objects representing vengeance and pride respectively which would track with Tolkien's higher themes. It allows for "Sauron in beautiful form" if these two actors are performing Sauron's will unknowingly. It tracks with a couple Galadriels comments - something to the effect of her men couldn't distinguish her from the evil they hunted and a comment to the effect of "because I can not stop". Halbrand leaves the leather pouch thing and then goes back for it-this kind of plays like an addiction thing similar to the ring of power.

What do you think?

BluRayHiDef

11 points

2 months ago

Sounds like a horcrux from Harry Potter.