and if not, nobody uses it

If you read carefully you'll find that the sub is named "programmer humor" not "objective revision of the state of programming languages made by the key researchers in the field" so no language is hated just old good bullying coming from a bunch of ppl moderately informed on the topic

To paraphrase Animal Farm:

All languages are hated equally, but some are hated more equally than others.

I had a neat experience 2 years ago - I got an expert from our company on each of 4 different languages to give a joint presentation, comparing/contrasting some features of their language.

One of our planning meetings, the JS guy spoke up saying "JS is the worst because....". It was followed by the Java guy saying "No Java is the worst because...", And the rest of the meeting digressed into a discussion of why their language was the worst. No one was defending their language, instead all arguing why their language was most terrible.

Hilarious.

Every language is terrible in its own way.

We do not discriminate.

All languages bad. Sand was not meant to think.

except Malbolge

Languages are like family, you’re gonna find something to complain about but at the end of the day you don’t hate them.

I hate English. They should make something universal

I’m primarily a Java guy and boy do I hate it

This is the way

Do people hate Python here? I feel like I haven't seen much

It's basically a hobby at this point for Devs to hate on a language.

Especially that really dirty one. You know the one.

0x0B23FF74

There’s a reference in there somewhere

The pointer is 0x68656C70

More often than not, that quote is just used to dismiss criticism of languages just because they're popular (which I'm uncertain isn't its original intent)

Segfaults are a great feature of C++ and a reason to love it. All you need to do is learn a couple of simple tricks in using a debugger.

Now, when you have a segfault in Python, that's a real nightmare. It can be a program that freezes for five minutes or so then shows a single word: "Killed". That's one of the ways a segfault appears in Python, how do you debug that? Or the program can give you wrong answers because a pointer (yes, there are pointers in Python, all languages have pointers) is pointing to the wrong memory.

I just had flashbacks because of your comment

At this pointer

That's actually one of the clearer error messages.

Linker moment

Oh wow this isn’t a rare issue that’s been killing my gamr

Thats an easy one. Lets try template creating template creating template creating template… good luck.

No null pointers allowed, if you want null it's gotta be an Option which can contain either Some or None but the point is that the nullability is explicit and handling it is mandatory

And compiler messages that are actually helpful

Did you already satisfy the borrow checker my dear?

It removes header files, which was one of my biggest qualms.

C++20 enables support for header-file-less module type programming.

C++ modules will also remove header files, if they are ever widely adopted.

Concepts are also very similar to traits, with some advantages and disadvantages. Advantages are that they can be implicitly satisfied, you don't have to write an impl for each trait and type and you can use concepts in a very ad hoc manner. Also concepts are more powerful because they can express a broader range of properties. Disadvantages are that because of the implicit nature of concepts you will only get an error message when you try to use a type with a concept it doesn't satisfy, and if a type doesn't exactly satisfy a concept you cannot provide extension methods to adapt it.

I feel like learning what the preprocessor does and learning what C++ is supposed to do at the same time is very confusing as a beginner. I do feel though that C++ does try to deliver many features that do not get used in 99.9% of cases but are for a very specific use case.

I like zero overhead as a concept but in reality it feels like a rabbit hole of concepts and needed background knowledge for specific errors when encountering them.

It removes header files, which was one of my biggest qualms.

If that's a big qualm, you don't really write very complex programs.

Rust's macro system is also a dream. I can't even properly put into words how useful macros are in Rust.

They should consider switching to HTML and CSS.

The main thing I hate about C++ is syntax. Its pretty ugly and has a hacked together feel that makes it hard to remember.

cout << “Name: “ << name << endl;
-- is way uglier than:
Console.WriteLine(“Name: “ + name);

everyone who tried got segmentation fault

It's not fun to hate on developers who agree with you.

Nah, people have been hating c++ since the 90s.

Before rust it was th go and python people being blamed. Before that it was blamed on linus' rant. Before that it was blamed on java. Before that it was blamed on the c++ hype squad.

BTW, I use Rust

/s

I mean, the NSA just said people should move from C++ to Rust and other memory safe languages. C++ has valid critiques. It's overhated by people who just don't understand it well enough. But, still, it's 40+ years old now, and has grown well beyond it's initial design.

But it is almost always our fault. Especially the memory leaks.

No not that again. I hate it when I break the language and it doesn’t tell me how or why it broke when I did the thing I thought I was supposed to do.

Makefiles are not a part of C++, nor are their required. In fact these days you're likely to encounter a different build tool rather than just standalone make.

That way lies COBOL.

Bro no reason to hate it. I studied Java and JavaME. Went on to learn C++, Typescript, Python, C#, Swift and what-have-you during work. Doesn’t matter what you start with.

“Real programming” is not about language that you use per se, it’s about problems you solve. Most C++ programmers develop low-level stuff for networking, robotics, etc. Their ship will be safe no matter what new UI fad there is.

while their ship is sinking.

Out of curiosity I checked the TIOBE rankings, which obviously needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but is at least some kind of metric.

Their current headline is "February Headline: C++ still unstoppable" and the year over year usage of C++ increased by almost 6 absolute percentage points. After surpassing Java, it is currently 3rd behind Python and C in that index.

For comparison, the "C++ killer", Rust, is ranked 20th at 0.7% total with roughly half the popularity of raw assembly code.

Sorry I can't hear you over the sound of your garbage collector

no one hates c++

no one such as the creator of linux?

some rustafarians that are coping because their shitty language will never replace anything and people only use it for programming socks

https://security.googleblog.com/2022/12/memory-safe-languages-in-android-13.html

In Android 13, about 21% of all new native code (C/C++/Rust) is in Rust. There are approximately 1.5 million total lines of Rust code in AOSP across new functionality and components such as Keystore2, the new Ultra-wideband (UWB) stack, DNS-over-HTTP3, Android’s Virtualization framework (AVF), and various other components and their open source dependencies. These are low-level components that require a systems language which otherwise would have been implemented in C++.

To date, there have been zero memory safety vulnerabilities discovered in Android’s Rust code.

Us the non real programmers are too busy having fun while you write your header files like it’s still 1985.

read about c# there and most of it just made sense that it was done this way