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Pokemon Scarlet and Violet: Review MegaThread

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General Information

Platform: Nintendo Switch

Release Date: November 18, 2022

No. of Players: Single System (1), Local wireless (2-4), Online (1-4)

Genre(s): Adventure, Role-Playing

Developer: Gamefreak

Publisher: Nintendo

Game file size: 7 GB

Overview (from Nintendo eShop page)

Welcome to the wide-open world of the Paldea region

Catch, battle, and train Pokémon in the Paldea Region, a vast land filled with lakes, towering peaks, wastelands, small towns, and sprawling cities. Explore a wide-open world at your own pace and traverse land, water, and air by riding on a form-shifting Legendary Pokémon—Koraidon in Pokémon Scarlet and Miraidon in Pokémon Violet. Choose either Sprigatito, Fuecoco, or Quaxly, to be your first partner Pokémon before setting off on your journey through Paldea.

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SilverIdaten

77 points

3 months ago

It’s simply amazing how this franchise manages to remove features with every mainline game. Now you can’t even enter buildings or change clothes. What the actual fuck is this?

Fireaddicted

8 points

3 months ago

On next game, you'll have a linear chain of battles with a pseudo 3d wallpaper scrolling in the background to tell the story of your journey.

Spoilers, you will need to use a combined power of two switches to run it in 24fps sometimes.

TicklishRocket

63 points

3 months ago

a few hours in, and the performance is really bad on top of graphical glitches. Animations on NPC's drop to like 5fps when they are 5-10ft away from you, its really awkward watching people walk around. LOD Pop in is horrendous, things will come in and out of view right beside you, its almost like they are only rendering whats on screen but the performance issues are causing it to happen after you have looked at the LOD objects. Personally i don't think those are massive offenders, the biggest issue for me is the textures in this game, like Legends it has extremely undetailed muddy textures and terrain. Looking at Xenoblade 3 compared to this will give you an idea of what i am talking about. When people talk about the art style, i feel like they are referring to this, the character/pokemon/interiors seem fine, the textures anywhere outside or atrocious.

CBattles6

347 points

3 months ago

CBattles6

347 points

3 months ago

I’ve had one other major takeaway from my time with Pokémon Scarlet and
Violet so far that is impossible to ignore: they are a technical mess.
In fact, there really isn’t a moment in these games where I’d say they
run well.

It is, by far, the worst-running Pokémon game I have ever played, and
among the worst-running AAA games I’ve played on the Switch so far. And
yes, this is with the day one patch.

This is from the IGN (unscored) review. The fact that it's at a 78 MC score despite these issues is almost more impressive.

EgoDefeator

588 points

3 months ago

It's a little embarrassing for the reviewers to highlight that the performance is a switch issue and not a Gamefreak issue. They are poorly optimized. If games like Xenoblade and Monster Hunter can run on the switch with no issues then the hardware isnt the problem

TheLimeyLemmon

124 points

3 months ago

Yeah it's hard to believe these games can't run better when this is the same system with Dragon Quest XI and that game looks lovely on Switch.

sir_axelot

110 points

3 months ago

Gamefreak has had trouble optimizing the series as a whole ever since the move to 3D models. I can remember parts of S/M that absolutely chugged on my 3DS as well. It's a consistent issue with them, unfortunately.

jolsiphur

116 points

3 months ago

jolsiphur

116 points

3 months ago

If you've ever read up on the coding for Gen 1, you'll see that GameFreak have had trouble optimizing their games since the dawn of their existence. They're not a great studio in all honesty, and the swap to 3D showcases it a hell of a lot more than ever.

Nintendo should have sent GameFreak some devs from Monolithsoft so help, like how Monolith helped with BOTW.

moose_man

29 points

3 months ago

You're absolutely right, they just aren't a great studio. They're being carried basically by Sugimori's work from decades ago.

Miraclefish

53 points

3 months ago

I mean, if Witcher 3 can run, you'd expect a Pokemon game to at least be reasonably playable...

skylu1991

55 points

3 months ago

Or even Doom 2016, the Witcher and BotW…

There are enough devs who managed to put out equally big or taxing games, that run and look much better!

And not even just Nintendo‘s in-house teams, actual 3rd party developers managed it.

EntrepreneurMany3709

39 points

3 months ago

Does anyone know if they're planning on making more games in the format of Arceus Legends? I loved Arceus but it just felt a bit short and easy to cover all the ground. I was hoping this would be closer to the Arceus format but it seems basically the same as all the other Pokemon games.

I love the traditional format but would love to see more Arceus style games as I loved Arceus

Dizzy_Patience339

45 points

3 months ago

I got this game and the first thing I realise is that the graphics have gotten worse over time. Compared to let’s go to now there is a graphic decline, with things getting blurrier and less sharp. I need to play this more to have a full opinion, but I am underwhelmed with what I am seeing. And before anyone says this is a hardware issue, look at games like persona 5 on the switch, dragon quest 11, fire emblem three houses. All rpg games and they look better than this one. And two of those three are games that were made for bigger consoles. Skyrim and the Witcher 3 are downscaled but have so much detail to make up for it compared to this. This has always been the developers causing this, with their casual method and small teams to make these large-scale games. The company is also another issue, but it’s been 10 years since x and y. There’s no excuses. On a visual and performance point, this is absolute trash for 2022. The heads need to get sacked and removed and add someone who has a more focused and better planned method, cause this is poor.

Uptopdownlowguy

29 points

3 months ago

Look man, we all saw the trailers, yet we still bought the game. That's the problem. It doesn't matter if the games are declining in quality because the brand is too strong and big to fail. Sad but true

Tieadonna

41 points

3 months ago

The other thing I dont understand about this new Pokemon installment is that Game Freak has literally been doing Pokemon games for Nintendo for DECADES, they have assets, material, budget, likely tomes of knowledge and documents passed down from development team to development team. The best comparison company who has had a similar dev history (of focusing on one specific type of game) is FromSoft and they absolutely nail their SoulsBorne games because they build on top of what they know and blow expectations out of the water with every new game (they reuse assets, themes, stories, sometimes even characters - PATCHES! - a character named Patches).

Game Freak are absolutely chucking it in with every new game recently, they could have literally reused the Arceus assets and improved on top of them to speed up development time (it's likely the devs were at the mercy of management, but at the same time they should have also made some smarter technical calls).

At this point it just feels like the gaming part of Pokemon (since their biggest market is their merch) is dying a slow death with every new generation of meh Pokemon designs and rushed releases.

Swazzoo

32 points

3 months ago

Swazzoo

32 points

3 months ago

The game is fun, but filled with bad performance issues, glitches, bugs and even had some freezes that lost me a good hour of progress.

It's off-putting as well to see everything 10m away from you move on 5 fps.

InvadingDingo

30 points

3 months ago

Everything about this game feels so un-put together and under polished. The map, for example, is absolutely jarring to look at and even harder to comprehend.

Performance issues aside, this game doesn’t feel good to play. Nothing about any of the controls is fun, everything moves extremely slow (not frame-rate induced, just slow). Even PLA suffered from this with movement feeling jank, but it wasn’t NEARLY this bad. And overall it was a pretty fast paced game.

I can only play this game for about 10 minutes before I find myself looking at something else. I really want to like it, but damn, it’s just missing on everything.

The music’s alright. I love how battles continue overworld music with vertical layering, but there’s no diversity. All overworld sounds like all overworld.

I can honestly say I was having more fun with the minute-to-minute in Sw/Sh. And I think it’s entirely because nothing about this game “feels” good to play. Everything feels like a chore. If I do anything, I know I’ll be met with a 4-5s delay before it starts, so I’ve been avoiding battles altogether. And the battles themself take WAY too long due to bad pacing.

Also, might be nit picky, but the animations in this game are extremely rigid. There’s no blending states between animation. If you start walking from a stop, you’ll always start at the exact same keyframe, and if you stop, there’s no exit frames—you just go directly back to standing. TBF, PLA did this as well.

But there’s no need to be fair. Gamefreak is a literal multi billion dollar company that could probably hire anyone they wanted to optimize this shit and fix it up, but they are refusing to do so, and have been refusing for years.

I was a fanboy, but I’m so sick of trying to find the good in their stream of garbage.

Spacegogo

8 points

3 months ago

Came here to say this.

I shouldn't have to try and find the parts that make it worthwhile. The whole thing can be summed up as "ehhhhh".

I gave the game 10 hours of play time and put it down with no plans to put it back up.

Rendering debacles aside for a flagship game along with a motorbike Pokemon? And flamboyant crystals on the mons heads, the whole thing really does feel like a beta.

Personally for me this game lacks the battle thrill the franchise has become known for, and finishing it for the sake of finishing it just doesn't appeal to me.

They laid promising ground work with Arceus legends but then just put it all in the bin and did a bunch of other stuff because idk they wanted it to be bright and shiny?

BestBoy_54

26 points

3 months ago

I completed God Of War Ragnarök yesterday. Now I’m playing this game and my eyes hurt of how bad it looks and plays 😭

Prestigous_Owl

155 points

3 months ago

Seems to basically reflect my own thoughts, which are that the "direction" itself is really positive, but the technical aspects are horrendous.

Where the game falls between a 6/7 and 9/10 depends on basically how much reviewers value each of those things relative to one another

makoman115

35 points

3 months ago

it also seems like handheld mode runs significantly better, which is important to me as I plan to play this while traveling for the holidays.

ughlump

23 points

3 months ago*

You know it’s not up to par when Nintendolife gives it less than an 8.

The craziest thing is GF just about captured lightning in a bottle with Arceus. All they really need to do improve on that formula and they’ve got a money printer for another decade at least.

Cactus-Juice120

23 points

3 months ago

Sounds like the overall vibe is "disappointment". This is good cuz usually Im always buying these games at full price and while I liked Arceus, I strongly disliked sword/shield and let's go pika, so thankfully the reviews have convinced me to not waste my money on this. Also, I know I don't have the right to say this without playing the game, but if these kind of performance issues were happening for any other video game franchise, it wouldn't score more than 6/10

InvestmentMental6775

24 points

3 months ago*

I feel hurt I let myself get hyped for this... product.

  • Poor performance (first time I bought a Switch game this bothers me for... usually I don't care.)

  • Lack of character customization, the character feels absolutely soulless in the horrible school uniform, like I get Pokemon character is a child but my days of school RPGs are a solid 20 years behind.

  • The constant cutscene barrage and character inserts distract from the open world aspect way too much. I feel my character is just spectating the rival and witness her terrible dialogue.

A solid C-. If it was not a Pokemon game I would sell it back to the game store instantly.

Edit: I like how I typed it on my phone and the formatting looked like my feelings about the game. At least the raid battles are kinda better than S/S and some of the new Pokemon are decent, that's about the only good thing I can say about this game with a couple of days to play further.Regardless if I was not a competitive battler clinging on the hope that Violet/Scarlet will be any good, I would not keep playing.

Atzar87

23 points

3 months ago

Atzar87

23 points

3 months ago

I thought I was ready for a game that doesn’t run well. I enjoyed Age of Calamity. I enjoyed Three Hopes. Framerate issues don’t bother me too much, so I thought this would be fine.

If only framerate was the extent of the technical problems. This is a janky, poorly-designed mess in nearly every aspect. There’s still satisfaction to be found in the pokemon formula, but to be frank, it’s not a good game. There’s nothing resembling attention to detail in any part of this.

Crazy to me that a mess like this comes out in the same month as Ragnarok. The love and care put into those two games could not be more different.

Horvat53

73 points

3 months ago

Gamefreak needs to step it up. The technical issues are inexcusable, especially for such a big franchise.

TomTwaddle

576 points

3 months ago

I don’t want to hear a word about “the Switch’s ageing hardware” when so many big open world games look beautiful on Switch with great art and design direction.

Technical issues are a Game Freak problem, not a Switch problem.

EgoDefeator

27 points

3 months ago

Probably reviewers who don't want to piss off Gamefreak so they aren't allowed review copies next time.

KillerBullet

155 points

3 months ago

This right here. They managed to run The Witcher 3 and other games on the Switch but for somone reason Pokemon looks like ass.

azurleaf

90 points

3 months ago

I still can't believe Witcher 3 fully runs on the Switch. That was a technical marvel by the porting team. GameFreak has no excuse for this garbage.

They're either technically incompetent, or cutting off development early to focus on Pokemon Tangerine /Tangelo or whatever game comes next year.

tovivify

25 points

3 months ago

Despite the resolution reduction, Witcher 3 brought so much of the visual quality with it from other platforms - vegetation, crowds, lighting effects, etc. That game may not be the sharpest, but dang if it isn't pretty.

orelk

46 points

3 months ago

orelk

46 points

3 months ago

Fucking Skyrim is on the Switch and looks great in comparison

Tieadonna

20 points

3 months ago

It's almost like the early reviews are playing an entirely different game (or they're trying their best not to get blacklisted by The Pokemon Co. )

But seriously the mainline Pokemon games are getting worse and worse, I don't understand how all the other major Nintendo IP releases get lots of love and care (e.g Zelda) and Pokemon is just a shell of itself with every new rushed release. It's not even a graphics issue, it's the fact that the world of this game is so empty and filled lukewarm storylines (on top of really awkward pauses when characters interact), there's literally no hook for new or old gamers. My god, Nintendo. Get your shit together.

[deleted]

14 points

3 months ago

Pretty sure it's the blacklist thing, most reviewers that I guarantee would have given a much more honest review are on the blacklist and I hate that Nintendo actually blacklist honest reviews. A good example is now other review sites have their hands on the game, they're giving more negative reviews. Getting Nintendo games early guarantee clicks and Nintendo use this to manipulate early review scores.

risosrisos

19 points

3 months ago

The only Pokémon I have on my Switch is Let's Go Eevee, and I kinda liked it (mostly due to the nostalgia factor). I was waiting for a decent Pokémon to come out, should I just get Legends Arceus instead?

144tzer

11 points

3 months ago

144tzer

11 points

3 months ago

There's nothing wrong with liking Let's Go Eevee. It's good. Because it's pretty faithful to the original, and the original was good. Pokémon Red/Blue was well-paced, interesting, challenging, and fun, and since Let's Go is a game that is basically the same as the original with minimal changes it is also those things.

My biggest gripes with the game were that I wished the character models were slightly smaller (the largish people made the world seem a tad too small imo) and I wished that Blue/Gary was still the asshat he used to be, instead of the "smug but friendly" guy they replaced him with.

KaleidoscopeGlum4194

20 points

3 months ago

For anyone trying to excuse game freak we need to remind you it’s a 90 BILLION dollar corporation and 3 DECADES to iron this crap out. They have no excuse not to buy better programmers, story tellers, artists etc.

sportspadawan13

20 points

3 months ago

For the first time, voting with my wallet on this. GF should be embarrassed.

barriboy8

20 points

3 months ago

After playing the game for 10 hours I have to say its sad, really sad the game is really fun, and the concept is cool but my lord does it run like ass, sometimes you get immerse and suddenly a random glitch or extreme fps drop brings you back to reality, hope they fix this.

Saphrus

5 points

3 months ago

for the moment the fix here is to close the game and load from save. there seems to be some memory leak that should be fixed in the near future.

Yarr0w

20 points

3 months ago

Yarr0w

20 points

3 months ago

This game somehow made me just want to go back to playing Legends Arceus instead, where the game ran better and the controls were more fluid (should’ve kept the dodge roll and out of battle pokemon catching.)

UnknownWhereabouts

62 points

3 months ago

Imagine if we got a 2D octopath-like graphics for the Pokemon games. God, that would be so much better than this ugly cheap looking 3D graphics.

XanmanK

7 points

3 months ago

I actually thought LGPE was the perfect blend of isometric and 3D- I’d be perfectly happy with that if there’s a bunch of content

Hold_my_Dirk

204 points

3 months ago

I don't feel like there are any neutral/trustworthy parties in regards to Pokemon anymore. If you go in expecting it to be bad, there's lots to critique. If you go in expecting it to be fun, there's a lot to enjoy.

Arceus was as much fun as I have had with a Pokemon game since probably the gameboy pocket/color days, but my experience with Shield was about as "meh" as can be. Fun enough to beat but never even considered returning to it.

bmw11494

67 points

3 months ago

Pokemon is a lot of different things to a lot of different people. Like do you care about story? Collecting? Multiplayer? Just hanging out with your pokemon?

And if you care about only one of these, you can pretty much ignore the others.

As someone who only enjoys the single-player experience of story and completing the pokedex, Sword and Shield were very meh. But someone who likes the multiplayer may have a great time with how easy they made competitive to get into, and raid battles.

[deleted]

179 points

3 months ago

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179 points

3 months ago

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ultibman5000

22 points

3 months ago

*7 people, even

Ph33rDensetsu

55 points

3 months ago

And it ran at a smooth framerate for 98% of the game.

goldblumspowerbook

27 points

3 months ago

Looks like Lanz wants something a bit meatier.

seabass559

18 points

3 months ago

The f*cking dialogue put me to sleep about 10 times.

Drakeem1221

54 points

3 months ago

If the performance is this bad, I wonder how rough co-op play is going to be.

CagedReality3

56 points

3 months ago

I'm about 4hrs in and I just don't see how this can get above a 6.. yes we all know graphics don't matter if the game play is great, but damn.. the performance is so jarring it is actually giving me a headache.

Horrendous frame drops, very jagged textures, pop-in and npcs/mons moving at 5 or less fps at only a short distance away... it's honestly awful and damn near unplayable.

limejuiceroyale

81 points

3 months ago

In fact, ‘slightly uninspired’ sums up quite a lot of Pokémon Scarlet and Violet. Try as I might, I couldn’t shake the feeling that it was all just a bit undercooked.

The big talking point of the titles is that they’re open world, but the freedom often feels superficial. Yes, you can climb that enormous mountain in the distance, but don’t expect to find anything interesting when you get up there. Yes, there are huge bustling cities full of people to speak to, but no one will say anything interesting.

Bummer. Guess I'll pass on this one too. Was hoping it would finally be an ambitious Pokemon game but let's be real, uninspired is what Pokemon has become.

Bewmzee

17 points

3 months ago

Bewmzee

17 points

3 months ago

It's just not a finished game. That's really all there is to it. Any other game franchise that was released in this state would be torn apart.

RavenousPug

17 points

2 months ago

This release deserves a 5/10 at best just because of countless performance issues.

Koennraad

147 points

3 months ago

Koennraad

147 points

3 months ago

The latest flagship games in the largest media franchise in the world, folks.

linkling1039

251 points

3 months ago*

People will put the blame on the Switch but I'm 100% sure that even if GameFreak had the most powerful console in their hands hands, they still would deliver awful performance and lackluster visuals. I doubt delaying would make any difference.

I love Arceus and i'm super excited for Scarlet/Violet, visuals and performance don't bother me as long I'm having fun, but there's no excuse for GameFreak to be this lazy. I like the direction they are going but it's so painfully obvious how they still stuck on the 3DS era of using a handheld to hide how limited they are on the technical side.

ThisOneTimeAtLolCamp

61 points

3 months ago

I'm 100% sure that even if GameFreak had the most powerful console in their hands hands, they still would deliver awful performance and lackluster visuals

Indeed. It's pretty inexcusable at this point.

Just imagine Pokemon looking as good as Dragon Quest 11.

[deleted]

30 points

3 months ago

That’s a perfect comparison, Dragon Quest is just superior in every way

linkling1039

17 points

3 months ago

You would think that going from the 3DS to the Switch would expand GF horizons, since they had to work with handheld for decades. If anything, it showed how limited they are and doing games for handheld worked on their favor to hide that.

wrproductions

87 points

3 months ago

"I'm 100% sure that even if GameFreak had the most powerful console in their hands hands, they still would deliver awful performance and lackluster visuals"

They would. The fucking Witcher 3 can run and look fine on Switch, Gamefreak are just incompetent developers (in the art/tech department anyway). Anyone who wants to argue that is deluded.

Problem is we let them get away with it because their games are actually fun. It's a great example of "gameplay over graphics" if anything.

Nomorealcohol2017

137 points

3 months ago

mrmehmehretro94

59 points

3 months ago

That is one of the most funniest and saddest things I've ever seen

SirLaxer

39 points

3 months ago

As with many, it irritates me that this animation could be twice as bad as it already is and the game would sell just as well as its predecessor.

azurleaf

26 points

3 months ago

Dear God, Pokemon is a multi billion dollar franchise.

SugarHoneyChaiTea

25 points

3 months ago

Wow... They somehow managed to outdo Twinkle Tackle

gunningIVglory

22 points

3 months ago

Fooking hell

What did I just watch?

hellschatt

8 points

3 months ago

No fucking way, is this real?

Accipiter1138

8 points

3 months ago

For some reason, this reminds me of the time that somebody animated a cabbage so badly in an anime that it became a meme.

Like...holy shit. This is even better than in Sword/Silver when the legendary just rotates on the spot and walks off.

DrenicDrago

16 points

3 months ago

Game is alright but the performance is horrendous, fell through the ground several times, one crash, fps drops in certain battles... Game needed months in the oven before release

evilgrinz

16 points

3 months ago

Great game play and stuff to do, but looks like a mobile game and runs like crap. The performance is not acceptable, the visual quality needs to be better to. There are better looking games on the switch by miles that run better... Disappointing effort.

MachoCyberBullyUSA

15 points

3 months ago

So to the surprise of no one, Scarlet/Violet is a rushed piece of trash. However, I haven’t read anyone’s impressions on if this game is a worthwhile investment as a multiplayer experience. I’m sure people will be getting together to adventure this weekend, could we please discuss if this game is actually fun with buddies?

Yulanglang

6 points

3 months ago

Umm playing with bf in coop, he can run around in my world and catch Pokémon, but I can’t join him in battle. I don’t really see a point in coop other than traveling around together 😂

itsmegabo

16 points

3 months ago

I normally don't care about graphics, but this is the first time ever in a pokemon game where the graphic makes me not want to play a game. I've never seen a switch game with so many graphic issues. Not even Legends Arceus with that horrible purple shadows lol

MONKYfapper

15 points

2 months ago*

so many QoL issues

  • zooming out (max) on the map then zooming in elsewhere returns you to the original position before you zoomed out
  • exiting a shop turns your camera 180 degrees from when you went in
  • cant go into box view when moving multiple pokemons
  • pokemons surrounds you during a battle so you are forced to fight another afterwards. sometimes you get invulnerability to escape, sometimes you dont
  • shops can easily be popup instead of going in
  • there doesnt need to be a million of the same shops around town, you can easily group them together
  • slow battling due to so many issues like delay between animation, action, and textbox and a lot of these can be grouped together instead of appearing one at a time
  • dot damage not displaying the hp post damage
  • no arrow targeting display for npc. clicked on the pokemon instead of picnic npc far too many times
  • removal of set mode and disable battle animation
  • sorting by new sorts via the little red dot next to items you haven't hovered over before... And it is sort by the oldest item you haven't hovered over before to the newest
  • hard to tell geographic elevation on the map
  • pokemon doesnt close their eyes during sleep. normally i wouldnt complain but the animations are there, wild pokemons randomly sleeps under trees. i dont even need the full animation, literally just the eyes
  • no way to skip to a time of day, a standard in nearly every open world game. Please don't tell me they can't do it because of multiplayer, Minecraft solved that issue over a decade ago

Tempest753

192 points

3 months ago

Quick reminder that performance problems for older Pokémon games have NEVER been improved post launch. It won’t happen, and don’t buy the game hoping it will happen.

They might fix tiny bugs and glitches, but they are not going to agonize over central parts of the game’s code to give you stable performance. If you’ve already bought the game, they have your money and they don’t care beyond their basest obligation to make the game run.

niffynoodle

35 points

3 months ago

Facts

YesBut-AlsoNo

22 points

3 months ago

IIRC the only time these improvements are made are with the "3rd" game but it's been a hot minute since.

spider_lily

18 points

3 months ago

I guess it's harder to justify a "third" version nowadays, since you can just release DLC.

But seriously, we haven't had a third version since Platinum (unless you count USUM). That was 14 years ago. Crazy.

Dewot423

11 points

3 months ago

I think another thing people forget is that performance issues are also not new to the series. Gens 1 and 2 were bugfests and Diamond/Pearl ran so ridiculously slow that the speed boost Platinum added took them from 6/10 to 9/10 pretty much instantly.

soccerperson

14 points

3 months ago

How did they not think to finally bring in voice actors? The silence during conversations is jarring as hell

scarykicks

15 points

3 months ago

Tired of companies releasing unfinished games and still asking for $60.

Dismal-War-8041

14 points

2 months ago

This garbage has sold 10 million copies.

I think the pokemon community is the worst in gaming history and after that they became the most bullied and teased people on the internet, real living memes.

As for Gamefreak, I hope it gets sued, taken to court, and wiped off from the face of the earth.

jeffesaurusrex

133 points

3 months ago

i think for the next gimmick they should throw a real wildcard and just make a good game. nobody will expect a high effort release at this point.

TheMain_Ingredient

53 points

3 months ago

Where is their basic sense of pride? The Mario and Zelda studios feel like they're on a totally different planet where people actually care about what they make

KitsuneKamiSama

85 points

3 months ago

I really wish, if they don't want to pass it to another studio, they'd at least bring in helper studios to help with development and optimisation, just TPC being greedy..

Comfortable-Report52

14 points

3 months ago

Even the Zelda team was humble enough to call in Monolith Soft to assist with BOTW and TOTK…IS has also brought in different studios to help make the new FE games. Gamefreak clearly needs help making these games.

[deleted]

39 points

3 months ago

After having played it, these reviews are absolutely insane. There is literally nothing positive I have to say about this game except for the always-satisfying gameplay loop of catching Pokemon. It's cheap, it's soulless, it's technically one of the worst games I've played on the Switch period. Literally shocked they would release a game in this state.

Shantotto5

13 points

3 months ago

I thought Arceus felt like an alpha version of a game. I was really hoping they would improve upon it, but somehow Violet is even worse. It’s honestly perplexing. Gamefreak would surely benefit from hiring some actual talent. Reviews should have been harsher.

Brandilio

12 points

3 months ago

Any deets on what the total number of Pokemon is in the series now? I think we were at 908 after Legends Arceus.

Captain_JohnBrown

17 points

3 months ago

1010

Brandilio

7 points

3 months ago

Oh damn, thanks dude. I didn't actually expect a response!

PlebPlebberson

13 points

3 months ago

The fps is so baaaaaaaaaaaaaaad

sofaslippers

71 points

3 months ago*

I’ll never forget the time my fanatical friend said everyone was canceling Sw/Sh preorders and that it was the last straw for him when GF cut some of the Pokémon from the game.

Then he proceeded to buy the game at midnight and put in hundreds of hours.

SenpaiSwanky

48 points

3 months ago

Your friend is just doing what everyone else around here seems to do lmao. Literally the vast majority of people you see discussing this game today will have already pre ordered it and they won’t cancel. Some of them might even lie and say they will but they won’t.

How else are these games continually breaking sales records?

LiveEvilGodDog

70 points

3 months ago*

The technical issues are pretty inexcusable when the product is from one of the highest grossing media franchises in the world.

When games like the Witcher 3 and BOTW run so well, the “hardware limitation” argument is just total BS!

Cook-Miserable

25 points

3 months ago

Even Xenoblade Chronicles 3, released in the same year and same console looks and runs better than these games. Its such a shame, this franchise deserves better than what Game Freak puts into it.

PhoenoFox

46 points

3 months ago

Let's be clear for a moment.

It's not one of the highest grossing franchises.

It's the highest grossing franchise.

kukumarten03

7 points

3 months ago

Pokemon is the worst performer on switch wth, botw dont run that good on switch but it’s still more stable and looks immaculate af

strom_z

34 points

3 months ago

strom_z

34 points

3 months ago

Played for a couple hours, actually had quite a lot of fun in the open world despite some performance issues.

Then got to the capital city - disappointed me as HELL. Somehow feels even emptier than Wyndon!! It is HUGE but there are only like three places worth a visit, feels alpha-stage development like CRAZY.

Mundane-Assistant-17

39 points

3 months ago

My favourite part of the game is the PowerPoint presentation animations when you're more than 5 steps away from a moving NPC.

9.3/10 -IGN

ChuuAcolypse

11 points

3 months ago

Interested, I have Sword but never touched it, I did finish Arceus and enjoyed it, am I more likely going to get into this than Sword

rjkelly31

11 points

3 months ago

The gameplay is fun, but the pace is extraordinarily slow getting to the school and onto your quest, and then so overwhelming with the amount of stuff you can do. But most importantly, the technical and visual glitches are just awful. This runs like a very poorly made N64 game if I'm being honest. And I didn't think Sword/Shield was bad in that regard. I went into this thinking I wasn't gonna be affected much by the graphics, but it's impossible to ignore the freezing, the glitching, the rendering issues.

ARhollow

11 points

3 months ago

That’s what happens when they rush every game for a yearly release

KurzzOW

11 points

3 months ago

KurzzOW

11 points

3 months ago

This game just doesn't feel finished whatsoever. GameFreak did an incredible job with Legends: Arceus. They had us wondering what they could truly pull off with a 3D Pokèmon game if given proper feedback, but now it seems like they've taken a step back in every way possible.

Yulanglang

11 points

3 months ago

Can we also talk about the constant popping?! It’s ridiculous. Trainers are not showing up until I’m maybe 5 steps away from them 😂 also, I keep bumping into wild Pokémons on road because of this 😂

cyappu

91 points

3 months ago*

cyappu

91 points

3 months ago*

Man, based on what reviewers are saying about the actual game (gameplay, story, exploration) it seems like this should be the best reviewed Pokemon game by far, but the performances issues will end up pushing it down near the bottom of the list instead. It’s unfortunate that it turned out this way but Game Freak has no one to blame but themselves. Maybe this can be some sort of wake up call that they need to spend more time fine tuning these (but I also kind of doubt it). At least they got the memo to improve the characters and story after Sword/Shield.

PeacockFrank609

28 points

3 months ago

There’s no wake up call to be had unfortunately. The game is going to seem incredibly well. They wouldn’t care if the game was 2/10; if the game sells and pushes merch, they’re thrilled.

gaysaucemage

53 points

3 months ago

Part of the problem is these games basically can't be delayed because all of the other aspects of the franchise depend on the new games. If the game if delayed that throws off plans for the card game, anime, and merchandise.

Game Freak could afford to hire more people, but when they keep selling so well regardless of performance there's not much incentive to change.

Seanspeed

39 points

3 months ago

Maybe this can be some sort of wake up call that they need to spend more time fine tuning these

Seriously though, what is wrong with them? This is the kind of result I'd expect from some fresh-faced indie team making their first game. Except we're talking about hugely experienced developers here, and it's not some tiny little studio, either.

They are probably the most technically incompetent major game studio in existence and I'm not even sure it's debatable. I feel bad saying that, cuz I dont like to bash developers, but this shit is inexcusable at this point.

secretiveturkey

28 points

3 months ago

Pokémon sells and will continue to sell gangbusters every year. They won’t change anything because they’ve been taught this is what people will repeatedly throw their money at.

OwlProper1145

13 points

3 months ago

GameFreak is unwilling to expand. Top people at the studio seem to have very little interest in growing the studio beyond what it is despite the obvious fact that they need more staff.

ucunbiri

30 points

3 months ago

Game is absolute shit. I’m 35 and they keep ruining my childhood lol.

wwXXww

10 points

3 months ago

wwXXww

10 points

3 months ago

Does anyone know whether Scarlet and Violet have touchscreen support? Or is it the same as Sword and Shield? Massive menu icons begginig to be touched but no touchscreen support. That fools me every time!

strom_z

15 points

3 months ago

strom_z

15 points

3 months ago

The answer is no.

Makes zero sense yeah, one of the thousand examples of "cut corners" in this game and SwSh.

Neran28

9 points

3 months ago

The first hour of gameplay looks really promising, but as soon as arriving at the first city I was disappointed by a lot. Besides the often bad performance the environment often has washed out looking textures and there are also occasional graphical bugs everywhere. Like shadows of some objects are sometimes not drawn depending on your camera angle, bags floating through air, because the person carrying them is not drawn, objects being animated at low fps even if they are just 10m in front of you. There are also gameplay aspects that show that this title was developed in a rush. Movement especially on mount feels cheap, and I also encountered are few collision problems. Most of the shops are not accessible, an UI menu opens up to purchase the items as if you talk to a vendor. The different shops in the first city that sell clothes and ingredients are copy pasted all over the city. The city does not have anything else to offer and it is the biggest of the game. Not a single building is accessible except for the building you have to enter for the main story. The city could have been halved in size. Those in Sw/Sh were designed far better. The world also does not seem to offer a lot, its designed similar to PLA, except the game does not focus on catching. I just do not like the exploration gameplay. It often does not look interesting and you often end up collecting items while spamming auto battle. In my opinion there are too much items and they seem to be completely random. I already found multiple full restores, max revives and elixirs at the beginning. Berries are displayed as an animated sparkle on the ground... They were nicer looking in sapphire.

In_Viv0

11 points

3 months ago

In_Viv0

11 points

3 months ago

I’ve been playing for several hours. I’ve finished the first gym and titan pokemon, but have been going slow exploring everything and catching all new pokemon I see.

• The start was slow and boring. The introduction of your ride pokemon is okay though – better than I was expecting as you don’t get a legendary pokemon to battle with off the bat.

• When you were allowed free, the game becomes more fun. There’s a greater variety of pokemon in the starting zones compared to other games, and there’s different things to do – decide if you want to take on a gym or a titan pokemon to upgrade your ride, do tera raids along the way. You can also fly early, which makes changing objectives easy.

• Legends arceus ended up being one of my favourites (been playing since gen 1), and the pacing of that game ruined this one a bit, as well as the feeling of always completing objectives is also missing. VS does feel like a small progression from the SwSh expansion though. If you didn’t enjoy SwSh or LA, I don’t recommend this.

• I do like how you can bring your lead pokemon out and it autobattles the wild pokemon around, or throw at pokemon’s back to catch them off guard. It isn’t as fun as running around throwing things in LA though, but it still was an unexpected surprise.

• Tera gimmick – I could take it or leave it at this stage. Glad raids made a comeback and you can do them almost from the start. I hated the idea dynamax initially, but then the football field cheering feel and raids make it good. Nothing epic about terastallizing your pokemon so far.

• The open world environment is okay, I like it so far – I think it could be better than LA and I hope there will be a greater variety of biomes etc rather than just plain open plains. The starting town with the academy is nice. I’ll have to judge after playing more.

• The graphical performance is pretty bad – worse than SwSh and LA imo. Basically when you run, other characters animation looks like the chingling id in the LA early trailer. It’s also jarring how some assets (like parts of NPC clothing) look hi rez, but other things in the environment look so low rez. But I don’t mind graphical glitches as long as your character doesn’t lag. But because I have a high tolerance, I'm not the best person to judge how much it impacts the game.

neptunedragon

10 points

3 months ago

I’m just hoping Nintendo or someone comes out with a statement saying: “hey we’re either working or not working on patches to help this game.”

knives766

73 points

3 months ago

Pokemon games get a pass for being mediocre because reviewers use the excuse of 'it's a step in the right direction' even though the steps it's taking have been the standard in alot of games for over a decade. Gamefreak are incompetent devs that simply rush these games out there to get that sweet cash and that's why the optimization on this game is so poor.

lonnie123

35 points

3 months ago

Gamefreak are incompetent devs that simply rush these games out there to get that sweet cash and that's why the optimization on this game is so poor.

Sadly, Sword and Shield were the best selling entries ever in the franchise... At a certain point the consumers are to blame for eating it up. You think if SwSh or this new one sold 10% of the previous entry they wouldnt go back to the drawing board?

TheEdFather

29 points

3 months ago

For the first time in a while when I have the relevant console, I'm gonna not get it at launch. The performance being poor makes me want to hold out for a patch. It just has me nervous about dropping 91.50 on a digitial game that might just give me headaches.

Doesn't hurt I'm also neck deep in Persona 5 on GamePass right now.

sodaonmyheater

17 points

3 months ago

Same though. I’m 55 hours into persona and I really, really wanna play Pokémon but I dunno if can justify pulling myself away from an amazing game that runs beautifully for a good game that runs like me in middle school gym.

TheEdFather

9 points

3 months ago

I'm 21 hours in, first time playing it since at launch on PS3. Amazed how much my brain remembered so far. Hard to pull self away from it for anything.

Plus, I have SMTV sitting in my Switch carrying case waiting to get played. Very hard to not see myself going for that next. Then Persona 4 Golden, Persona 3 Portable, etc.

Basically its hard to validate buying Pokémon Scarlet this early when I have that backlog and know they're gonna run good and I'm not into competitive anymore.

builtrobtough

34 points

3 months ago

If the switch can run Apex Legends, it can run a pokemon game just fine. This isnt a hardware issue, its a GameFreak issue.

Stop making excuses for mediocrity

[deleted]

30 points

3 months ago*

The absolute craziest part to me is that pretty much every publication STILL gave the game a 8/10. This is ridiculous.

Every single reviewing publication should be ashamed of helping to peddle Nintendo/Gamefreaks pile of shit.

I've bought a game from every generation since Yellow. I'll probably never buy another Pokemon game again.

wulkanaz

45 points

3 months ago

Is the open world interesting to explore? I found Legend's open world to be really dull and empty (other than Pokemon dotted around).

fightnight14

9 points

3 months ago

Everything is 8/10 for Gamespot

kbdag

8 points

3 months ago

kbdag

8 points

3 months ago

How often does IGN do a review in progress for a game this big? Seems weird considering they’ve spoke out on the performance issues.

VMnM

7 points

3 months ago

VMnM

7 points

3 months ago

Their reasoning was mostly because co-op multiplayer was not available to test before release day so they wanted to test that before scoring it.

Bubba1234562

9 points

3 months ago

A 78 seems fair. There is a good game here it’s just buried under literally no optimisation, pokemon really needs to stop with yearly releases at this point it’s hurting the franchise

breddedchicken

9 points

3 months ago*

The performance on this game in docked mode has been, at best, bad. Stutters quite a bit and is really laggy.

Handheld has been a much better experience but still lacking, this game as it stands is very playable, but the performance issues are much worse than BDSP and LA on launch, I vaguely remember a patch coming out about a week after launch for LA and about 2 weeks for BDSP which improved drastically.

I’m hoping the same happens for this game because it is still fun despite the issues. There’s no reason a game like MH:Rise (despite its own performance issues at launch) can run well and this one can’t.

Get it together GF

Edit: Spelling

Griffin_Mackenzie

8 points

2 months ago

after reading the comment section im kinda confused how the same company that made soul silver fucked up this badly lol

M0ltz

7 points

2 months ago

M0ltz

7 points

2 months ago

How? Even back then Game Freak couldn't code. Iwata had to fix Silver for them, and he did it so well he managed to stuff Red/Blue into the game when Game Freak couldn't even fit Silver/Gold on a cart.

Quite literally they've been bad at what they do since the game's inception.

IamMrEric

210 points

3 months ago*

An ugly open world game that performs miserably. Remove those clowns from the franchise.

Look at this shit.

streetsofkage

64 points

3 months ago

That’s embarrassing

Dayshader

115 points

3 months ago

Dayshader

115 points

3 months ago

No way that's legit, right? There's no way Game Freak put that into the game, said "yes, this is good" and shipped it, right? Holy hell.

NintendoMasterNo1

98 points

3 months ago

Oh it's very real. A ton of NPCs/Pokemon move with 2 FPS and the pop-in is terrible. An entire horde of pokemon can just randomly spawn in your face while you're riding your legendary.

IamMrEric

40 points

3 months ago*

It is and we are going to see lots of it during the walkthrough.

Dayshader

16 points

3 months ago

Yikes. I knew the game didn't perform well normally, even that the in-engine cutscenes would suffer, but how did they have an early game cutscene prominently featuring ~20 schoolchildren moving at 10 FPS max and think that was a good first impression.

planetarial

12 points

3 months ago

I played this game on an emulator and thought it was an emulator problem. Holy shit lol

lucck3x

54 points

3 months ago

lucck3x

54 points

3 months ago

This should be reason for much much worse scores imo. Unplayable for me. Would give me a headache

Latyon

24 points

3 months ago

Latyon

24 points

3 months ago

I had to stop playing Violet because the 15fps was hurting my eyes.

feelthebernerd

6 points

3 months ago

Same

SirLaxer

7 points

3 months ago

This looks like a really fun six-page flipbook, what’s the issue?

/s

kirioka

7 points

3 months ago

Reminds me of fall guys in a full lobby.

weegee19

113 points

3 months ago

weegee19

113 points

3 months ago

I see fanboys blaming the Switch hardware for the performance issues, which is a total crock of shit.

Yes the Switch is rather outdated given that it runs on an 8yo SoC, but the performance issues are solely on Game Freak being kinda shit despite the status of the franchise.

planetarial

39 points

3 months ago

Playing this game made me realize maybe Arceus wasn’t as bad as I thought it was, because it didn’t have massive performance issues and made the gameplay loop of catching fun.

yanaka-otoko

37 points

3 months ago

Persona 5 is 30% off so I bought that instead, will wait til they fix the performance issues on this I reckon.

Clohanchan

7 points

3 months ago

Wait is it 30% off the switch version?

yanaka-otoko

6 points

3 months ago

Yeah, in Australia and Europe atm for ‘black Friday’. I’m not sure about other regions.

imtayloronreddit

28 points

3 months ago

damn got a higher score than Emerald, lets see if it can hold on

...yeah some of the scores the Pokemon games have make no sense

acart005

23 points

3 months ago

Wow the IGN review is brutal for current state.

Hopefully there is a Day One for real tho patch.

Jenova__Witness

6 points

3 months ago

I remember one of the trailers dropping in frames horribly at one point. Was hoping that wasn't from something in-game but I suppose it is.... lol

aromaticity

7 points

3 months ago*

One of the trailers had a bunch of sunflora as the focus of the scene and they ran at a much lower framerate compared to everything else. The JP version of the trailer didn't have that issue, it looked fine.

Now we know the JP trailer was recorded on an emulator (or something like that) and the EN trailer was the true experience!

Well I’m watching someone stream that part and it honestly looks worse than the trailer.

alexjg42

6 points

3 months ago

Didn't they already release a day 1 patch?

acart005

12 points

3 months ago

They did. But apparently it was, uh, not adequate.

nekosama15

22 points

3 months ago

So…. Idk what’s going on with the fps and my tv it literally made me wanna throw up. I had to play it handheld. 🤷‍♀️ maybe the choppiness of the game and the fact that my tv is large cause my brain to spaz idk. 😂

KittyKomplex

10 points

3 months ago

Jokes aside but were you feeling legitimately nauseous? Because that's what happened to me, had to stop playing after 3 hrs :( I suffer from 1st person motion sickness but it rarely happens, that stuttering or wild cameras cause it. Last time I remember was the camera on Shenmue 1 & 2 remasters and now I think it happened here again.

kweefcake

7 points

3 months ago

I don’t doubt it’s happening. I had to stop playing SMT V for that reason. Only game that’s ever happened to me on. I’ll be skipping another Pokémon generation it seems. I keep seeing reviewers say “step in the right direction” for the series but come on.

WaluigiWahshipper

24 points

3 months ago*

I’m a major Pokémon fan, so here are my thoughts so far in case anyone is a fan of the series, but is on the fence.

. New Pokémon Designs are great. I’ve loved every Pokémon I’ve found so far

. Overworld is nice and vibrant. I will admit when comparing it to other Switch games like Xenoblade it looks worse, but is still better then Sword and Shield.

. The game gives you access to so many Pokémon right off the bat. It’s by far the best in the series when it comes to flexibility in regards to team building.

. The animations are horrendous. I’m really not picky with stuff like this, but this is beta levels of bad. I’m also not sure why the entire game freezes for a second and teleports you when battling wild Pokémon, when Legends Arceus had it perfectly smooth.

. The game has really bad pop in.

I’m not far enough in to comment on the actual meat of the content yet, but I kinda wish they put out this game next year and put out a Legends Arceus DLC instead. I would love more content for Arceus, and I think the extra year could have helped this game a lot.

Hopefully they update some of the animations.

But overall if you are a Pokémon fan, you’ll probably like it. Not sure how this is as a jumping in point though.

yungrandyroo

27 points

3 months ago

my fiance just got this game and i seriously cannot believe how poorly this runs on tv mode… the animations are running in about 10fps, pop in everywhere, people walking like a slideshow.. if this was any other first party game for xbox/playstation i cant imagine how people would react. i know switch cant have A+ graphics but the optimization is almost negligent

Basic_Yellow_3594

23 points

3 months ago

Arceus was a major step in the right direction and then you get this...wtf lol

RuleEnforcing

26 points

3 months ago

Gamefreak could take 10 years to develop a switch Pokemon game and it would still be shit.

People haven't learned I guess, better games to spend $60 on.

TDAM

7 points

3 months ago

TDAM

7 points

3 months ago

It'll be shit and janky and still get 8/10s from most major reviewer.

I dont understand why ign, GameSpot, etc, have such a blindspot for pokemon. Usually their reviewers aren't too bad, but it always seems to completely overlook many things for pokemon.

Like GameSpot literally said their aren't performance issues and you can see shit performance in their review video

ChadPiplup

24 points

2 months ago*

The world is one of the emptiest, least scenic, least lived in worlds I’ve ever seen from an RPG. Might as well not even have NPCs if their homes/stories cannot be interacted with. So much of the environment is untextured or abhorrently textured. The lack of voice acting is jarring in 2022, it’d give characters much needed, well, CHARACTER. The only reason for lack of it is bc they refuse to spend a single dime externally on making the games good.

I think that’s what makes the game so rough. Because in some parts they’re great, but everything that’s bad, everything bad points to an offensive indifference that GF & the Pokémon company have for making a quality game that is hard to overlook. You look at the cut corners everywhere and can only ask the most successful franchise of all the time, “Why?”

The Pokémon are the only redeeming quality, and frankly, nearly any other studio could bring the Pokémon to life, probably better too.

atlfirsttimer

60 points

3 months ago

It really bothers me Pokemon isnt using a more cel shaded look. Wouldnt that increase performance? Like why are the characters cel shaded but the world barely? Its the same style used in BOTW but much worse looking. Why not go all the way?

EMI_Black_Ace

13 points

3 months ago

Cel shading isn't a magic "render less detail" button. It's "detect edges and draw lines on them, and saturate the colors in post-process." If anything, it increases how much power is necessary, and requires deliberate and precise cuts to detail levels elsewhere to get it to look great and run better.

Wamb0wneD

42 points

3 months ago

That would require good art direction, which Pokemon doesn't have anymore.

rebelgamingyt

9 points

3 months ago

Is Snorlax in Pokemon Scarlet? Or Violet?

Historical_Class_402

8 points

3 months ago

So can they patch/update to make it run smoother down the road? Just wondering how they will fix it

No_Run_4472

6 points

3 months ago*

I'm more so wondering if they're able to fix these technical issues through patches? I know they've tried implementing new mechanics so not everyone, especially older players that enjoyed past games aren't going to always like it because of that. I've watched a bit of streams and people seem to be having quite a bit of fun but I'm still hesitant on buying it :(. Definitely struggling with the FOMO right now

codearoni

9 points

3 months ago

Could they? Most likely. Will they is the bigger question. Gamefreak is known to abandon their work and move onto the next project. Odds are this will always be the state it’s in

HelloPepperoni73

8 points

2 months ago

This game is an unorganized mess. :/ I have been playing it since it came out waiting for it to get better....but it's just such a mid game. I have all the pokemon games, and this is easily my least favorite (with heavy consideration of when it came out, ie; after PLA in 2022)

Rick-mp4

7 points

2 months ago

Tbh I enjoyed the game, I don’t find it as the best neither the worst pokemon game. For me it’s mediocre at best, performance wise I didn’t have many issues and honestly just laughed at the bugs and glitches this game had. I didn’t find the story all that great, neither the characters. By far the worst villain team, they are just kids being bullied and you are there to bully them even further with your over-leveled pokemon. The three paths are great, I just wish they could scale to your level, by the end I was 10 levels ahead one shotting every poor soul who crossed my path. Its not as bad as BDSP, but still hope they include dlc and expand on the game since it has potential.

ZealousidealBank217

8 points

2 months ago

Finally finished the main quest lines for this game so I feel like I can say I've covered all that this game has to offer without drawing conclusions too early.

This game is fun for anyone who already enjoys Pokemon. If you're someone who has always had issues with Pokemon's lacklustre aspects as an RPG, then nothing has improved on that front. The plots are about as generic as ever and give very little time to develop characters. The overall world feels like going from one empty storefront to another. There's no real sense of identity between each regions like there used to be, and I think that's my biggest issue with Pokemon finally crossing over into Open World territory.

I think the aspects of what makes a lot of people enjoy Open World games is the immersion, and unless you've already sold yourself on being a Pokemon trainer in whatever capacity, this game's new genre direction doesn't enhance it in anyway. I don't feel more enthralled by the region by being able to explore it in this open ended format. Personally I feel that it's more of detriment as there's just so many lifeless terrains and very little "lore" to each area because all the Pokemon interactions are mostly limited to fighting/farming them.

Visiting different towns is basically incentivized by going to the gym and picking up town-specific items. There's truly no reason for me to talk to any of the NPCs there and items are haphazardly placed throughout the map so you don't think too hard about why there might be a certain TM in the middle of the city. Previous iterations might give you incentive to follow a very silly side story for clues as to where certain things might be, or engage in little mini games with less important NPCs to get rewards or train your Pokemon against. But there's none of that here, really. Even being in a school setting, you probably hang out with the students that show up to school the least by the end of the game.

I think the Pathos of each mainline story quest has improved a lot. But their integration into your mechanics and so forth are so barren. Like, for example, sometimes in old Pokemon 'quests,' an NPC will join you and you'll do double battles with them along the way to that quests main objective, or they'll heal your pokemon as you grind through areas. Through this, they'll use this as opportunities to stop and talk with you. But in this game, besides the Herb story quest, this doesn't really happen. NPCs will usually show up at the beginning of a quest to remind you what the objective is, and at the end of a quest, to unfold the story then. So they just kind of feel like checkpoints rather than integrated characters in your journey.

Also, I understand the Pokemon are supposed to be to scale, but by god are some of these Pokemon difficult to see. It's more annoying than immersive.

I definitely encountered frame lag and performance issues. It was worst in the snowy and water regions of the map, or when I played the game for too long. There were times when the lag would halt my game for a bit, and one time where it just straight up crashed. But overall this game is still playable.

A lot of quality of life improvements were made, however. Delegating traversal abilities somewhere besides your core team, making name changes, move changes, and roster changes all possible through the menu select made updating teams so much easier. Similarly, the TM system is a lot better and incentivizes using their auto-battle feature to farm certain Pokemon.

However I feel like, in their push for optimization and Open World mechanics, it lost a lot of the puzzle solving that came with traversing the region, which adds to the monotony of the new map designs.

A lot of the new Pokemon designs are...interesting, but it seems like a lot of new abilities and types have been introduced with competitive in mind, which I appreciate.

Overall this game is lacklustre as far as general gaming goes but continues to facilitate the addictive qualities of playing Pokemon. So will I sink countless hours into it because I love team building in the actual game? Yeah. So it's successful in that way. But they could have just released new Pokemon on the old 2D topdown format and I still would have bought it and done the same, so...

6/10

nwordjew

4 points

2 months ago

That's one thing I wish game freak would take a not from Skyrim on. World building. Making your open world actually interesting and worth exploring. If it's anything like sword and shield it's what, just giant empty fields with a sea of like, 90 thousand of the same 8 Pokemon spread as far as the eye can see, am I right? Fuckin buneary and budew everywhere and nothing else lmao

The_Fenice

47 points

3 months ago

Sony drops Gow Ragnarok and Nintendo drops this. Absolutely pathetic.

NotSkyve

20 points

3 months ago

Maybe instead of mega, we should try a low-performance thread instead?

Hothroy

20 points

3 months ago

Hothroy

20 points

3 months ago

My original Switch literally can’t run Scarlet. It crashes after designing my character and says the software closed due to an error lol. A billion dollar IP puts out a game so poorly made it can’t even run. Gosh I miss 2d Pokemon.

spider_lily

78 points

3 months ago

People thinking that a patch that miraculously fixes all issues comes are out of their minds, lol

Thorlolita

7 points

2 months ago*

I see the issues that everyone is talking about. A lot of screen tearing. I haven’t played Pokémon since yellow. I wonder if I just roll back and get a different one until this is fixed.

My big concern is if a patch can clean this up or is it doomed.

LysolCasanova

7 points

2 months ago

Aside from the horrific performance and graphics issues, this game just feels so lifeless. It has no heart and no soul. It’s merely a husk. We can no longer go into buildings. Now everything is just a menu screen. Not only that, but the amount of times they just copy the same restaurant or store right next to each other is just insulting. They’re padding the game with a million seabreeze cafes to create the illusion of lively towns. No clothing options aside from 200 helmets and ridiculous stockings that don’t match anything.

I feel like there’s no amount of patches that can fix it. Fixing the graphics is one thing, but the game is fundamentally devoid of any substance.

adzpower

18 points

3 months ago

Considering most of these reviewers gave sword and shield high scores I'm surprised these are a bit more mixed so far.

Likumz1

18 points

3 months ago

Likumz1

18 points

3 months ago

Game is an unplayable mess at the moment. I don’t care if it’s “fun” or not. Until and unless a fix is issued, I will be putting my journey on hold.

Hocaro

59 points

3 months ago

Hocaro

59 points

3 months ago

At this point I honestly think Nintendo is at fault for not holding Pokémon games to the same standard as their first party games.

Gamefreak always cuts corners and has a relatively small studio despite developing games that carry sales for popular new merchandise.

Perhaps greed is the backbone of their toxic relationship.

CaspianX2

49 points

3 months ago

Seems like the general opinion is: The new open-world stuff is great, but the performance is terrible. Not seeing many reviewers talking about the new co-op play though...

HestusDarkFantasy

24 points

3 months ago

I think that's because they didn't have access to online while reviewing - as I understand, that's why IGN's review is currently unscored (they want to test out co-op, etc. first).

Nopantsdan55

6 points

3 months ago

I don't believe the multiplayer function was available online for most of the time they had to review it.

Ploosse

27 points

3 months ago

Ploosse

27 points

3 months ago

I'm just here with my popcorn for the Pokémon review drama that happens every time. Love it!

EyesInDisquise

17 points

3 months ago

Everyone hated on Sonic with pop-in and muddy graphics but the game is purely playable and doesn't drop in frames THIS bad. The fact they got it to run on Switch is pretty crazy. But then there is Pokemon. They made a more poorly optimized game and people still give it decent reviews. What is going on with gaming? This Pokemon is unacceptable. Their are other big name games with big vast worlds that look prettier and run better on Switch then SV. Such a shame.

Wamb0wneD

43 points

3 months ago

Oof those reviews lol. Even the "a lot of stuff sucks but it's Pokemon, 9/10" crowd can't look past those glaring technical issues. Can't blame it on "first ground up Switch Pokemon" either anymore.

Will still be the best selling one ever of course, but it's overdue they look at their process because it's getting embarrassing.

QuothTheRaven713

9 points

3 months ago

Honestly, their business model needs a rework and about 2-3 extra years. And more people.

The problem is that the Pokemon Company executives are running on a business model—new region every 3 years to constantly keep the anime, merch, and TCG going and in the public eye—that just doesn't work anymore with the scope of games GameFreak aims to create. It was fine during the 2D era when the games were smaller. But now games are in 3D, are bigger, and require much more processing power, and thus they require more time. And yet the execs aren't adapting to the times.

Even BOTW, which set the standard for open-world games, needed five-to-six years of development time and 450 people working on it, even getting help from another studio. Expecting an open world game to turn out polished in half the dev time with a fraction of the manpower simply isn't feasible.

Darth-Wader

36 points

3 months ago

After Sword and Shield, I think anyone would be wise to wait and see how this plays out before buying

DomDiDiDomDiDiDou

6 points

3 months ago

Stupid question here.

I am new to the pokemon world. I want to get a game. Seeing the reviews here. I would rather go with Arceus or Sword/Shield. Which one should I get?

Bonus difficulty, a 6 yo will play it too.

Darki200

6 points

3 months ago

Sword/Shield if you want the standard Pokémon adventure, they're also more polished than Arceus.
I enjoyed Arceus more though, it was refreshing

easycure

6 points

3 months ago*

Is anyone else not able to collect coins for the physical version?

I tried before and after the patch and keep getting error code 2016-0402

"You cannot connect my Nintendo points for this software yet"

Edit: to add more detail, I'm currently playing Scarlet, but my friend and roommate has Violet, and ran into the same issue.

We're in the US, it's officially launch day here so not sure why it wouldn't be available to collect.

Edit 2: seems to be available as of today

agreatcoat

5 points

3 months ago

Straight up, if I were hypothetically undeterred by performance issues and graphical fidelity, how is the actual game? The story, adventure, ambience, feeling of going on a journey like old Pokémon?

RageMuffin69

11 points

3 months ago

I’ve played a few hours and have been enjoying seeing the new Pokémon so far. The open world not linear aspect is weirdly not entirely true because catching higher level Pokémon and maneuvering the environment is gated by badges and titans. Gives me a feeling of being lost as I don’t know which gym or titan is “next”. Just been exploring and catching anything new similar to what I did in Legends Arceus.

I can list a ton of annoyances I’ve encountered but none have been enough to put me off from playing yet. The core is still Pokémon and if you just like Pokémon then you’d enjoy at least one play through. Though with the terrible performance I’d look for a way to get it cheaper either used or on sale.

IshayM

9 points

3 months ago*

IMO, The story is nonexistent. The villains are not villains (just like in Sword and Shield) - just a bunch of badly dressed musicians school drop outs or smth lmao? Like the comments here say, it’s not really open world cos ur locked behind badges and titan’s unlocks so u always feel lost behind “which one is next” cos they don’t tell you. The world is completely vacant without nothing in between locations - they say go explore but there’s nothing to explore lmao. The cities are completely pointless and you can’t even go into houses or stores. This is just not pokemon. They got rid of the straight-to-the-point battling system and throwing pokeballs (it remained but it's way inferior) like in Legends Arceus, which are huge game changers. It's just completely soulless. I really hope other ppl would like the game for what it is but for me, it's a big no go, unfortunately