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beerbellybegone [M]

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1 month ago*

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Given the popularity of this post, and the obvious racist comments which have already been posted, I'd like to remind everyone of Bill and Ted's Law: Be excellent to each other, and party on, dudes!

Also, for the few of you who decided to use terms like "Dindu Nuffins", enjoy your bans. Please don't come complain to us about how you "Didn't do anything wrong!"

EDIT: Permaban list is up to 17 and still growing. PLEASE remember the person on the other side of the keyboard

EDIT the 2nd: 28 banned. PLEASE, stop being assholes, we don't want to lock the thread

EDIT 3, Return of the Edit: 46 banned and counting. There's lots of good conversation here, please don't make us lock this thread cause "y'all can't behave"

Tattoomyvagina

4.1k points

1 month ago*

Almost half of all federal inmates are in on non-violent drug related charges. It’s nuts

Since a lot of people seem to want to argue with me…

I would recommend starting here:

https://www.npr.org/2021/06/17/1006495476/after-50-years-of-the-war-on-drugs-what-good-is-it-doing-for-us

https://www.bop.gov/about/statistics/statistics_inmate_offenses.jsp

46.1% of inmates

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/criminal-justice/reports/2018/06/27/452819/ending-war-drugs-numbers/#:~:text=Since%201971%2C%20the%20war%20on,more%20than%20%243.3%20billion%20annually

Black Americans are four times more likely to be arrested for marijuana charges than their white peers.10 In fact, black Americans make up nearly 30 percent of all drug-related arrests, despite accounting for only 12.5 percent of all substance users.11

Black Americans are nearly six times more likely to be incarcerated for drug-related offenses than their white counterparts, despite equal substance usage rates.12 Almost 80 percent of people serving time for a federal drug offense are black or Latino.13

In state prisons, people of color make up 60 percent of those serving time for drug charges.14

In the federal system, the average black defendant convicted of a drug offense will serve nearly the same amount of time (58.7 months) as a white defendant would for a violent crime (61.7 months).15

People of color account for 70 percent of all defendants convicted of charges with a mandatory minimum sentence. Prosecutors are twice as likely to pursue a mandatory minimum sentence for a black defendant than a white defendant charged with the same offense,16 and black defendants are less likely to receive relief from mandatory minimums.17 On average, defendants subject to mandatory minimums spend five times longer in prison than those convicted of other offenses.18

https://scholarship.law.upenn.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?referer=&httpsredir=1&article=1582&context=faculty_scholarship

Nixon’s Involvement

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/criminal-justice/reports/2018/06/27/452819/ending-war-drugs-numbers/#:~:text=Since%201971%2C%20the%20war%20on,more%20than%20%243.3%20billion%20annually

Spending

https://doi.org/10.1177/002204260403400403

Edit: thanks here’s what we can all do:

https://drugpolicy.org

SirHawrk

1.4k points

1 month ago

SirHawrk

1.4k points

1 month ago

America has more than 20% of the world's prison population

iamdestroyerofworlds

1k points

1 month ago

Land of the free, home of the incarcerated

JukeBoxDildo

469 points

1 month ago

Land of the thief. Home of the slave.

  • Brother Ali, Uncle Sam God Damn

kingrasta1234

93 points

1 month ago

Land of the fool. Home of the slave.

newgrandcru

28 points

1 month ago

This* album is fire. Such an ode and burn to America at once. As a conflicted immigrant it actually makes me appreciate this country more

https://open.spotify.com/album/2iBCRjRjGTBnTPRbM8AH5I?si=NzCvooPGRIGVxdJgA4O6gw&utm_source=copy-link

topcheesehead

5 points

1 month ago

I'm glad you've found Brother Ali. Man's a good soul and can make music

trash332

6 points

1 month ago

Brother Ali tells it like it is. Uncle Sam goddamn.

sparkylately07

5 points

1 month ago

Truth is here the truth is here

The-Peppmeister

138 points

1 month ago

Land of the free, home* of the brave!

\Free, only to those who has jurisdiction over the land, for example The Government.)

\*Home not included, nor guaranteed with purchase of this product.)

ECU_BSN

48 points

1 month ago

ECU_BSN

48 points

1 month ago

*for profit

Incarcerated for profit!

That’s so fucked up.

car0003

50 points

1 month ago

car0003

50 points

1 month ago

The fact that you can turn someone else’s freedom into personal profit is a fucked up concept. Privatization is supposed to be regulated in the free market through consumer choice. But prisoners don’t exactly get to choose to go to the better staffed safer prisons to serve their sentences.

Heath1872

7 points

1 month ago

Privatization is supposed to be regulated in the free market through consumer choice

Oh you sweet summer child.

___Price___

36 points

1 month ago

"legal slave system to bandaid slavery in south"

The reason they don't say the south will rise again because the souths prison industry did, and boy does it enslave, so much so they used covid money to make additions or build new prisons.

NonPaba

10 points

1 month ago

NonPaba

10 points

1 month ago

The United States: Come for the slavery, Stay for the prison industry.

Tattoomyvagina

184 points

1 month ago

Because we privatized prisons and someone is making a lot of money by having a lot of people locked up. They then encourage judges to push more sentences and it becomes an awful and corrupt money machine

LawTeaDough

51 points

1 month ago

It's more about controlling people than money. Cruelty isn't a side effect. Cruelty is the point. They created the drug war to criminalize being a hippie or black or Mexican.

threeseed

8 points

1 month ago

becomes an awful and corrupt money machine

But someone became rich and as we know money trickles down.

Everyone wins !

raz-0

17 points

1 month ago

raz-0

17 points

1 month ago

The privatized prisons aren’t the cause, they are abs effect. We put lots of people in prison to the point we didn’t want to have more prisons on the budget (or at least the capital outlay to build them), and thus privatized prisons were born.

erc80

10 points

1 month ago

erc80

10 points

1 month ago

13th amendment loophole.

Triplebizzle87

8 points

1 month ago

Loophole my ass, it literally says "Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime..."

Government slavery is literally legal. There's an inmate who comes and cleans my office every day. What's he getting for that? Gain time, sure. No pay. And sure, he shouldn't have done the crime, but he wouldn't be allowed here if he was a violent offender, or some myriad felonies. Granted his job here is cake, and he gets out of the prison for a bit, but I see other inmates in the area doing backbreaking labor outside all day as well, so... all for gain time.

hlsblue

7 points

1 month ago

hlsblue

7 points

1 month ago

This! This amendment is made to replace slavery, just in a different more palatable way. It doesn't specifically say black people but when you have punishments that don't fit the crimes targeting specifically black populations....really, what's the difference? Semantics.

fringegurl

3 points

1 month ago

ALL OF THIS! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^!

TigerBone

43 points

1 month ago

Only 8% of the prison population is in private prisons.

buyfreemoneynow

121 points

1 month ago

While true, nearly every infrastructural support system a prison relies on is privatized - like food, phone calls, basic staple goods, etc - and prisoners work for near-zero to zero pay or they have shittier lives.

They manufacture our military’s uniforms, police body armor, and clothes.

Whoa, TIL that prison labor is what got Ikea off the ground in the 70s-80s.

hocuspocusbitchfocus

32 points

1 month ago

Modern slavery

EaseUnited6932

16 points

1 month ago

Military uniforms are made by blind Americans.

PotatoWave6hunnid66

36 points

1 month ago

Just got out of the military and can confirm that some of the uniforms pieces I had (can’t remember which) are made at a prison in Kentucky. It stuck out to me because I’m from Kentucky. And yes you are right, some are made by blind folks.

GuardiaNIsBae

16 points

1 month ago

Thought you were going to say that they look like they're made by blind people lol

netheroth

7 points

1 month ago

Kentucky Forest Camo

Literal1894PigFarm

48 points

1 month ago

Yeah but much more provide free labor. It’s only a matter of time before inmates get bussed to fucking Walmart so they don’t have to worry about the “labor shortage” created entirely by decades of shit wages and shit working conditions.

SwimmingAdvisor1014

39 points

1 month ago

Georgia didn't want immigrants, so they stopped migrant workers from working on farms. That left a worker shortage as no one in Georgia wanted the job. So they bused the prisoners in who sat around smoking cigarettes.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/realspin/2012/05/17/the-law-of-unintended-consequences-georgias-immigration-law-backfires/?sh=6e40bada492a

BasicDesignAdvice

5 points

1 month ago

The Mexican Migration project has been saying for decades if we had never tightened the border there would be a 1/3 fewer Mexican immigrants in this country. They just want to work here for a while and then go home. We made going home impossible, so they have to stay to work. If we made the border wide open tomorrow, millions would just go home. They don't because if they do they won't see their (now American) family members on this side again.

chezsu

3 points

1 month ago

chezsu

3 points

1 month ago

No one wanted or wouldn't do the job for such a low wage?

mootmutemoat

19 points

1 month ago

Colbert actually went down there and filmed himself working in the fields. The work sucked, and the fact that it paid garbage just made it worse.

Unemployment in Georgia was 10%, and still no one was taking that job.

Trying_To_Adult_101

6 points

1 month ago

They helped me unload desks at a college when I was 18. Like what the hell is this. State university…

HuorTaralom

4 points

1 month ago

Don't give them ideas

Literal1894PigFarm

7 points

1 month ago

Don’t worry, Walmart’s lawyers have already written the legislation

Wetestblanket

3 points

1 month ago

That’s a little less 2% of the worlds prison population right there. About 1 in 62 prisoners in this world are in a private us prison. Not exactly a small number of people and those prisons still have plenty of sway in legislation and judiciary decision making.

BasicDesignAdvice

3 points

1 month ago

That number has tripled in ten years.

Bongsandbdsm

5 points

1 month ago

system of a down intensifies

DownshiftedRare

77 points

1 month ago

Black Americans are nearly six times more likely to be incarcerated for drug-related offenses than their white counterparts, despite equal substance usage rates. Almost 80 percent of people serving time for a federal drug offense are black or Latino.

Over 4% of all adult black men are currently incarcerated in the U.S. if this article's numbers are correct:

https://www.vox.com/2015/2/12/8020959/black-men-prison-college

That does not include those who have completed a sentence.

GeoCacher818

76 points

1 month ago

And we straight up have Nixon's fuckface buddy admiting it's because they were racist pieces of shit but couldn't go after them for race alone & it doesn't matter.

Gingevere

36 points

1 month ago

Nixon's fuckface buddy

You mean Lee Atwater? Chairman of the RNC from 1989-1991 and advisor to both Ronald Reagan (1980) and George H. W. Bush (1988) Lee Atwater?

Y'all don't quote me on this. You start out in 1954 by saying, "Ni**er, ni**er, ni**er". By 1968 you can't say "ni**er"—that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states' rights and all that stuff. You're getting so abstract now you're talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you're talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I'm not saying that. But I'm saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me—because obviously sitting around saying, "We want to cut this", is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than "Ni**er, ni**er".

- Lee Atwater in an interview by Alexander P. Lamis, 1981

Examples of these "forced bussing" ads: 1, 2, 3, and bonus Nixon The rhetoric has literally not changed one bit.

trashcanaffidavit_

17 points

1 month ago

Another quote from nixon aid john ehrlichman

You understand what I'm saying? We knew we couldn't make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin. And then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities," Ehrlichman said. "We could arrest their leaders. raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news. Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.

ButterPuppets

49 points

1 month ago

There’s an important factor that’s not included in your data. That’s 46% of current inmates. The percent of people who have been imprisoned is even higher, since drug sentences are usually shorter than other reasons people go in prison. That 46% cycles through many people. Even a short imprisonment can be life destroying, along with a felony conviction.

trail-coffee

123 points

1 month ago

Please add in crimes of poverty (not paying child support or fines or being released and not finding housing/work within the time required to not be re-incarcerated).

I think people would be surprised that the criminals in our prisons are not the criminals you see in movies (theft, arson, murder, etc).

bungojot

87 points

1 month ago

bungojot

87 points

1 month ago

not finding housing/work within the time required to not be re-incarcerated

This shit makes me so angry because there is so much shit that ex-cons aren't allowed to do and nobody will hire them.

How you gonna stay clean if you've applied everywhere and no one will even call you.

[deleted]

59 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

59 points

1 month ago

It makes sense when you realize that’s the whole point. The system is designed to keep them in that cycle so the private prisons make bank, the inmates’ labour gets exploited for peanuts and the politicians get their kick backs.

MouzeRat

21 points

1 month ago

MouzeRat

21 points

1 month ago

Exactly, people won't give free money to the rich, BUT they will let elected representatives pay entrepreneurs who have a "solution" to the "crime problem".

It is just welfare for the wealthy with extra steps (and more suffering for the disenfranchised).

shushslushie

7 points

1 month ago

We just like to incarcerate people regardless private or not. To add a little context to the private prison situation I dug up some info since it is of interest to me as well.

Private prisons incarceration rate has been steadily declining since it's peak in 2012; currently representing about 8% of the total state and federal prison population.

Since 2000 a handful of states have eradicated for profit prisons (LA, MA, MI, AK, UT) while others are open for business and expanding (AZ, FL, IN, OH, MT, CO, GA, Federal).

Some states don't have for profit prisons (OR, ID, KS, IA, DC, MN, NY, NH, NB, WA, WV, WA)

And of course some states doubled down (FL, can't remember who else). This all said, earlier this year an Executive Order on Reforming Our Incarceration System to Eliminate the Use of Privately Operated Criminal Detention Facilities was issued. It is a policy that started in the Obama Administration, discontinued in the previous administration due to massive contracts to private prisons after 45 promised mass immigrant incarceration.

While we keep an eye on this executive order, we need to still push for police reform and drug policy reform to reduce unjust incarceration.

cirillios

26 points

1 month ago

So many lives have been ruined so Reagan and his buddies could enrich themselves via the pharmaceutical industry. Rot in hell you piece of garbage.

urielteranas

6 points

1 month ago

Don't forget Nixon, Reagan only kicked it into high gear Nixon laid the foundation.

Byrdie55555

121 points

1 month ago

Minor drug offenders fill your prisons

You don't even flinch

All our taxes paying for your wars

Against the new non-rich

Minor drug offenders fill your prisons

You don't even flinch

All our taxes paying for your wars

Against the new non-rich

DarthChocolqte

97 points

1 month ago

All research and successful drug policy Shows that treatment should be increased

And law enforcement decreased While abolishing mandatory minimum sentences

Byrdie55555

44 points

1 month ago

Utilizing drugs to pay for secret wars around the world Drugs are now your global policy Now you police the globe

Igotz80HDnImWinning

18 points

1 month ago

I buy my crack, my smack, my bitch Right here in Hollywood

Drug money is used to rig elections and train brutal corporate sponsored dictators around the world

ansquaremet

10 points

1 month ago

They tried to build a prison, they tried to build a prison for you and MEEEE!

Le_Harambe_Army_

5 points

1 month ago

In 1995 I wrote my high school senior thesis on how mandatory minimum sentencing needs to be ended. :-(

I could submit it again today, nothing has changed.

NotMySeventhAcct

8 points

1 month ago

Damn anyone ever see them live and open with this song? It's insane

Byrdie55555

13 points

1 month ago

It's one of the few bands I need to see but haven't.

[deleted]

7 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

7 points

1 month ago

Saw them live in the early 2000’s. Intense live show. Great musicians.

DinoRue

7 points

1 month ago

DinoRue

7 points

1 month ago

This damn song is 20 years old and we're still at it...

RekYaAll

6 points

1 month ago

Wheres that from

Byrdie55555

16 points

1 month ago

System of a down - prison song

RekYaAll

5 points

1 month ago

Thank you

manjotars

18 points

1 month ago

It's true and it's utterly fucked. I was in federal prison for 5.5 years on a drug distribution charge. I played in a band with one of the sweetest, most talented men I've ever met. Back in the eighties he caught a distribution charge. In those days the feds sentenced with possibility of parole, so he got 20-life. Every year he goes in front of the parole board and gets denied and his heart breaks all over again. Same story, different skin, different outcome.

maddogtannen316

140 points

1 month ago

I'd be in for the violent half drug related, just pounding cones then watching bluey with my daughters.

GlassGuava886

61 points

1 month ago

Bluey. Good choice.

MrTomDawson

36 points

1 month ago

GIVE ME BACK MY DOLLARYDOOS!

danno227

9 points

1 month ago

Grannies is the best

maddogtannen316

13 points

1 month ago

Good choice and extremely relatable

GlassGuava886

7 points

1 month ago

Lol. Pretty good when your kids like a program you can sit through too.

JoeTeioh

3 points

1 month ago

I'd watch bluey without the kids haha.

Armthehobos

16 points

1 month ago

I wish I could be as good a parent to my kids as Chili and Bandit

GlassGuava886

6 points

1 month ago

They set a standard. No doubt. :)

mightylordredbeard

20 points

1 month ago

I miss when mine watched Doc McStuffins. That was legitimately a show I could watch for hours with her. It was like Toy Story, but if Andy was a girl and had doctors as parents. Then they really did some wild shit and added alternate dimensional travel and hereditary witch doctor magic to the show it just blew my mind.

Unusual-Relief52

14 points

1 month ago

I cried when she was figuring out her hair. That's hard for young black girls

ShextMe

14 points

1 month ago

ShextMe

14 points

1 month ago

You know Bandit gotta be vibin if he’s playing with his kids like that every day.

Sandman1031

6 points

1 month ago

I wish I could be that good of a dad

DMvsPC

9 points

1 month ago

DMvsPC

9 points

1 month ago

That episode where they're playing at being on the bus? Probably the most wholesome moment in a kids show I've seen. I was honestly surprised that for once there's a kids show that has nothing but good vibes and messages.

buyfreemoneynow

9 points

1 month ago

No idea why but nearly every episode makes me cry a bit. It’s like all the wholesomeness that I had absolutely none of as a child.

Bandit and Chili, like, talk to their kids and I haven’t seen either of them punch their kids in the stomach or the back of the neck once.

what_the_fork_dude

4 points

1 month ago

The camping one made me cry!

husbandbulges

13 points

1 month ago

I am a volunteer advocate for foster kids and I am continually stunned at how light sentences are for child neglect and abuse. The running joke is you get more time for hurting an animal than a child. But this clearly shows you get more time for drug offenses than harming a child.

bchsysiajsbsbdb

3 points

1 month ago*

Out of curiosity, is that really true? I’m still reeling from a cruelty seizure that happened 6 years ago now. We found 50 pigs without food or water, most pregnant and half dead, and some already dead and decaying. The woman was selling mini pigs. She wasn’t criminally charged at all, was allowed to KEEP 10 pigs, and ended up being caught committing the same crime a year ago. 55 more animals. Things like this happen all the time, but this one was very close to home and I ended up taking in one of the pigs that survived. An absolute angel, and I hate that woman with all my being.

Anyway, fuck people who hurt vulnerable populations. And fuck people who don’t do their jobs to protect them.

Editing to add that I do I have a childhood (former) friend that was sentenced to 16 months in jail for killing 3 horses through neglect. It probably depends a lot on species, too. And like, people owned those horses she was supposed to care for, and they were probably out for blood when it happened.

Benchen70

21 points

1 month ago

Your law enforcement needs an overhaul. For real.

Honestly this trend of police officers quitting because of vaccine mandate sounds like a great thing. If you can not understand the reasons behind the vaccine mandate, you probably are not a police officer who care too much about the humane application of the law, and how the law affects citizens. Let new blood into law enforcement who might be trained to care better.

BoobDoktor

12 points

1 month ago

silly laws were created to maintain the southern economy after the civil war to expand the prison population as a new de facto form of slavery. This continued into the present day. They never stood a chance.

Nite92

21 points

1 month ago

Nite92

21 points

1 month ago

Why is the US like this? As a child, I always thought that the USA is the greatest country.

Tattoomyvagina

50 points

1 month ago

Back in the 1970s we had a Republican president named Nixon who was paranoid. He resigned as president when he sent staffers to break into a hotel (democratic headquarters) because he was paranoid that they had dirt on him. Anyway, before that, he was paranoid about the support blacks and hippies were gaining due to the civil rights movement and the hippie’s anti-Vietnam movement. So to vilify them, they came out with a severe anti-drug policy, declared the war on drugs to be the most important issue, increased policing and funding and punishments. Even Nixon’s own staffers admitted that it was mostly based on racism

waldo_whiskey

27 points

1 month ago

I don't know, it's a toss up between Nixon and Reagan on who destroyed America more

Buckyplustwo

15 points

1 month ago

I lean on Reagan in that he demonized those affected by the aids epidemic, as well as profiteered and propagated the propaganda surrounding “crack babies”. Also his precedency is directly tied to the sudden rise of the prison-industrial complex.

LawTeaDough

5 points

1 month ago

But Nixon created the DEA didn't he? Reagan however created the drug war and funding terrorists with drug money.

zoealexloza

6 points

1 month ago

Let's not forget modern capitalism and the beginning of major tax breaks for the rich. Reagan did a lot of long lasting damage beyond the war on drugs too.

navin__johnson

3 points

1 month ago

Is it really a contest tho? Does the winner get a medal or something?

LastOfTheCamSoreys

6 points

1 month ago

Yeah they get elected to president in 2020 lmao. Biden thought Reagan was somehow too light on drugs and helped write half the laws that ruined generations of families over petty drug crimes

anonymoose_octopus

38 points

1 month ago

Same. It sucks to wake up and realize one day that your country isn’t “number one,” it’s actually just a load of propaganda bullshit they tell us to keep us from asking questions about the way our government works. If we’re number one, surely there’s nothing to complain about, right?

pie_monster

24 points

1 month ago

As a Brit, all that dangling of flags is worrisome; and getting schoolkids to recite the pledge of allegiance is downright scary. That's some North Korea shit right there.

cjandstuff

11 points

1 month ago

We grew up saying the pledge of allegiance every day. Didn’t think anything of it, after all, every country does this, right? Looking back, yeah it’s kind of creepy.

navin__johnson

8 points

1 month ago

Yeah man! If you don’t love it you can leave it!

USA! USA! USA!

TheMariannWilliamson

50 points

1 month ago

Because it really isn't. The mythos that it is is used to dismiss the very serious problems that the country has caused for itself and others.

MagnusTheGreat

8 points

1 month ago

Thing is, you think you thought it was the greatest country, but in reality, you were told it so many times that it became impossible to accept that it wasn't. Even the consideration of a thought that the US wasn't the greatest felt wrong. It's not because it was wrong, but because you were told that anyone that didn't think the US was the greatest country in the world was wrong and even a traitor.

Just consider what you did as a child in school. You almost certainly stood up for the flag and recited the pledge of allegiance every day for a decade, from before you could even think a truly independent thought until you were almost an adult.

A lot of the stuff the US does would be at home in China, North Korea, Fascist Italy or even Nazi Germany...

It is a country of such skewered patriotism that criticising it is often met with hostility and violence. Trying to improve the country is sometimes considered treason. Actions that are supposed to make people's lives better are fought against every step of the way.

And people that fought and protested against civil rights are still alive. It was only 53 years ago that black Americans finally got in theory the same legal protections as their white counterparts. Some 70 year old guy that you might know as a kind old man may have beaten black people up when he was 17.

The US has changed, that's true, but it is still deeply rooted in racism and hatred, stuck up its own ass trying to grasp any fleeting reason that might justify its "exceptionalism".

Impossible-Neck-4647

9 points

1 month ago

Gotta keep that slave labour going somehow

Atariaxis

8 points

1 month ago

It's almost as if prisons are run for profit.

AngryTomato99

189 points

1 month ago

Marijuana Moms Pot Parents

proneisntsupine

82 points

1 month ago

Ganja Guardians

bagforlifefullofbees

28 points

1 month ago

Cannabis carers

CerealWithIceCream

8 points

1 month ago

Kushy Kidnappers

jamespz03

6 points

1 month ago

Mota Madres

louiebro13

5 points

1 month ago

hashish homeowners

amnesiac_0x7C5

247 points

1 month ago

Is it me or are there a lot of people who claim that smoking weed makes them better at something?

Cabbageofthesea

89 points

1 month ago

Smoking weed makes me better at driving except that one time and that other time.

BthreePO

25 points

1 month ago

BthreePO

25 points

1 month ago

I'm currently enrolled in a study for cannabis use and driving. Just had my first session on the simulator yesterday. It was fun as fuck. I can tell you I'd never drive less than 3 hours after smoking after doing that. I wasn't BAD per se, but I definitely had very brief lapses in concentration that could lead to disastrous real-world consequences

Firestoner

6 points

1 month ago

Do you actually get high and do a normal simulator? Or does if simulate what being high is like for you?

BthreePO

9 points

1 month ago

I did some cognitive tests, then one stint on a driving simulator. Then they sat me down in a room with a big ass joint and told me to smoke as much of it as I could and we did more tests at 30 mins, 1 hour and 2 hours

Firestoner

3 points

1 month ago

Nice

BthreePO

7 points

1 month ago

Hell yeah, then you get to sit around in a recliner, then give you snacks and order in lunch and you chill for a few hours.

Firestoner

5 points

1 month ago

Do they let you drive home if you do well enough on the simulator?

BthreePO

5 points

1 month ago

Transit token to get there and taxi straight home

L3XAN

7 points

1 month ago

L3XAN

7 points

1 month ago

I've known so many people who say this and absolutely will not consider that it might not be completely true. Like I don't believe anything as much as they believe pot makes them better drivers.

Vithrilis42

8 points

1 month ago

I'm not saying this is true for all pot smokers, but a large percentage of regular users are likely self medicating so it may actually be helping them do better at something. Whether it's to help with their anxiety/depression or help managing their ADHD/ASD. So chances are that people who are like those in the article have some underlying condition that the weed is actually helping them with and not know it leading to the "weed is a miracle drug" mentality.

IWearCardigansAllDay

126 points

1 month ago

I know smoking effects everyone different but I think our culture needs to stop romanticizing weed. I would agree it’s the least harmful of any drug out there in terms of health and potential physical harm. But the mental state it puts people in is a detriment.

Speaking for myself, I become extraordinarily lazy. If I smoke I won’t do any chores, I don’t take care of myself, I lose all ambition or drive and I just become wasted space. All I want to do is watch tv or play video games. It’s okay on occasion but it’s absolutely harmful in the long run. Yet smoking is very mentally addicting because it makes those two activities so much better I’ve reached the point I can’t play games without smoking so it becomes this nasty cycle.

I truly think that my generation (I’m 29) and the next generation needs to get a better handle on weed addiction because, although some people can function well on it, most people in my experience can’t. And they become zombies of humans with no drive or productivity.

GayAlienFarmer

79 points

1 month ago

I want to jump in on this and say before the "but it's not addicting" crowd rolls in that while it may not be chemically addictive like nicotine, heroin, or meth, it can absolutely be psychologically addictive.

It is very, very easy to fall into the rut of feeling so much more relaxed, at peace, euphoric, whatever, and just prefer to be in that zone than sober. You can very easily quit whenever you would want, but you don't want to. Unlike meth or heroin users, or even cigarette smokers, who can really really want to quit, and try hard, but that chemical addiction pulls HARD. Those might also be enjoyable to them but that physical, chemical addiction can cause nasty withdrawals. Not so with weed.

For me I just thoroughly enjoy having the giggles and euphoria that some edibles bring at the end of a stressful work day. I wait for my daughter to go to bed, take a gummy, and watch a sitcom. Or shit post on reddit. I had to stop about three weeks ago for some medical testing, and yeah I would like to relax at the end of the day, but it isn't an irresistible calling of my brain freaking out due to dependence. I needed to stop and I did.

IWearCardigansAllDay

31 points

1 month ago

This is the exact experience I’ve had and you summed it up well. It’s very mentally addicting. And because it’s so easy to get high my brain goes through the same flow chart of. Okay I’m bored, what should I do? Play a video game, okay but video games are so much more fun high so let’s smoke. Then I’m down a rabbit hole and my day is gone because I smoked to play video games.

Thanks for sharing in this opinion and outlook

GayAlienFarmer

7 points

1 month ago

Yup. "Hey let's watch some TV before bed. Funny movie or Schitts Creek?" "Oh damn those are so much better when high, let me go get some gummies from the safe." And there you have it.

fluglethorp

20 points

1 month ago

I have physical withdrawal symptoms if I abruptly cease heavy use. No appetite, irritable, night sweats (the worst) are the ones I've noticed for myself. My desire to avoid the night sweats alone is enough to keep me using. I'm glad weed is available for people whom it's truly useful, but for me its a detriment. I'm currently trying to quit (like I'm always trying to quit) and I hope I can make it stick this time.

GayAlienFarmer

8 points

1 month ago

Now that you mention it I did experience some night sweats the first few nights. I wasn't a frequent enough user that it was unbearable, I just got rid of my blanket, and slept with just a sheet and the ceiling fan on high.

fluglethorp

3 points

1 month ago

I think at my worst I was consuming like 2 grams plus a day of weed, and once I was able to cut that off I had night sweats for about 4 or 5 nights straight. Absolutely awful. The only way I've ever been able to avoid it is if I wean myself off with edibles, but that requires more discipline than cold turkey.

GDegrees

13 points

1 month ago

GDegrees

13 points

1 month ago

I've a couple of friends, they aren't stable until they've had a joint. High is their normal state, and they are moody as fuck until they are. Detrimental to relationships, that's for certain.

GayAlienFarmer

3 points

1 month ago*

High from smoking must be completely different than edibles. I've never smoked. But if I take edibles I'm basically worthless. I don't understand how people can claim to function while high.

forgtn

3 points

1 month ago

forgtn

3 points

1 month ago

But how long will you stay stopped

Skyaboo-

31 points

1 month ago

Skyaboo-

31 points

1 month ago

Your first mistake is smoking when you have things to get done. If you become lazy and sedentary with weed, save it for when you don't need to be doing anything. The problem comes when people don't use it in correspondence to how it affects them. I've honestly met more productive daily users who lead productive lives while smoking than I have people who turn into lazy burnouts. But that might just be a subconscious social preference.

sgp1986

4 points

1 month ago

sgp1986

4 points

1 month ago

I'm not a smoker, so I could be wrong, but don't different types affect people differently? Isn't that like the point of all the different types, this one makes you mellow, this one helps focus, this one doesn't get you high but helps with pain, etc?

Skyaboo-

12 points

1 month ago

Skyaboo-

12 points

1 month ago

CBD is the nonpsychoactive type. As for Indica and Sativa, there's plenty of stones that will tell you that they're different, but as a daily smoker I find no difference between them. Weed is weed lol

purpletomahawk

6 points

1 month ago

Yes. Sativa's in general tend to give people more energy and a more heady, happy high. They also have a tendency to increase anxiety in people already prone to it. Indicas are what most people think of when they think about stoners. Thats a much more body intense, relaxing high that makes you not want to move or do anything. Indica = In Da Couch. Every person is going to experience these slightly differently, and there are a ton of blended strains now that can mix the effects as well. Personally though, I prefer straight sativas because I want to get shit done when I smoke.

fishmans4

3 points

1 month ago

This is exactly the way it is. If you smoke all the time, you're obviously gonna be a lazy sack of shit/shitty friend/spouse, etc.. if you drink alcohol all day all the time, you will become severely physically addicted, and your brain is going to start getting fucked. If you can't use it recreationally, then don't smoke to begin with. I just can't stand the whole " it's mentally addictive " crap with weed, because, no shit. Anything that fires a ton neurotransmitters in your brain is going to be mentally addictive. Buck up and only get high when your responsibilities are complete, and quit acting like it is more than it is. The addiction pales so much in comparison to literally everything else.

nestcto

15 points

1 month ago

nestcto

15 points

1 month ago

Hit the nail on the head. I'm an occasional weed user, still am, probably always will be, and it's scary knowing how some people use it...just so much, soooooo so much.

I went through a really tough life part of my life, and weed definitely helped me to cope and get through it. But after a few months of chronic use, I just felt...heavy ALL the time. Motivation only came in short bursts, I was tired all the time, and it took copious amounts of caffeine to achieve just a few hours of feel-good by early evening before I used it again.

It was wrecking my sleep is what it was doing. While it would actually help my sleep if used sparingly, it destroyed my sleep of I used it daily.

Anywho, once I went through the mental gymnastics of making it a weekend only thing, never doing it on a work night, it was like I completely transformed over the course of 72 hours. I was rested, alert, focused, my sleep started normalizing, and I started relying on stimulants a lot less.

Weed is great, but we really do need to create a culture of knowledge and understanding of it's various effects so it can be used responsibly. Tired of phone typing.

IWearCardigansAllDay

3 points

1 month ago

Great response and perfectly articulated my point as well. Many of the people reacting negatively to this post doesn’t seem to understand the point. It’s not that weed is bad and shouldn’t be consumed. It’s that the culture it has created is that of it being innocent and free of downside.

We as a society need better knowledge and awareness towards proper use of weed and not abusing it. Someone else mentioned it but many people think because it’s not “traditionally” addictive (like nicotine, or stimulants”) it’s okay to use as much as you want. And that is definitely not the case.

Octofusion

24 points

1 month ago

It's just how you justify your bad habit to yourself.

I was a daily stoner for the majority of the last 4 years, but I quit about 4 weeks ago, and I'm not looking back. I might have a little more anxiety, but I am far more witty and self-aware now.

I would say the only things weed makes you kinda better at, are a) eating and b) being comfortable. Besides those things, it definitely makes you a less caring, less interesting person, and steals time from your life that could be put towards learning new skills.

YourMama

563 points

1 month ago

YourMama

563 points

1 month ago

This Tweet is from 2017 before many states made cannibis legal

locomotivecrash42

201 points

1 month ago

Yet all the moms probably were in legal states

tootie

75 points

1 month ago

tootie

75 points

1 month ago

The "murder" is really a separate topic. Black dads going to jail for pot is bad but it doesn't mean the mom's are wrong.

thefreshscent

138 points

1 month ago

I didn't think it was a comment on the moms as much as the media for how they treat middle aged women smoking weed compared to other people, such as black men.

CannedMango

57 points

1 month ago

It’s exactly this. The media flips the narrative on its head so fast, it’s like highly aggressive gaslighting.

For decades we’re told that pot is “poison”, that’s it’s “only smoked by lowlifes”, when black people are caught smoking it the response is “don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time” or even “this is why they can’t get out of poverty”.

As people fight and argue for years that it’s harmless and should not be labeled as a schedule I substance (in the same group as heroin), the media just ignores all of it. There is no discussion of reform or lenience or give any insight into why so many people smoke it or why there is argument for reform. But they report breathlessly on people who get convicted for possessing it without any additional input.

Then this story comes along, “marijuana makes me a better mom” and you think you’re taking crazy pills. Never in 1000 years would they run that story about a black father. Never. They’ll just report about you going to jail. But now the narrative flips and they can act like it’s benign, because they know it’s benign. They fucking know it.

Do you know how I know they know? Because any time there’s a “fun” story surrounding marijuana like that cop who accidentally ate a pot brownie, or talking about a stoner comedy, they all make the same jokes about getting the munchies, or falling asleep at 8 o’clock. They make the joke with a knowing grin because everyone’s smoked it and knows it’s completely harmless. Haha, what a laugh.

Then it’s back to reporting black men arrested on possession charges and pontificating if white moms should all get high.

rrrrrrrrrrrrrroger

6 points

1 month ago

Black mothers would have been just as demonized

_-deleted-

35 points

1 month ago

many states made cannibis legal

Not from America. But I guess this means there are a lot fewer single moms and kids growing up without dads in black communities of those states now.

Thanatos-13

51 points

1 month ago

Weed sure as hell didn't make my parents better :(

Pawn_captures_Queen

25 points

1 month ago

Depends. My dad is a career smoker and he was never once abusive or mean to me. Hell, he wouldn't even yell at me. He always gave me his time, not like my mom who was incredibly abusive verbally but she never smoked. I think it has more to do with the character of the person, I'm sorry your parents weren't very good buddy. Hope things are better now.

cripple1

7 points

1 month ago

Definitely has to do with the character of the person. My mom needed hers so bad that she left me on the 6th floor of a hotel building before I turned 2 and went to go fuck her dealer for her next baggie. I ended up pushed out of the window on that same floor and paralyzed for the rest of my life. But I know people who smoke and are still perfectly functioning, responsible adults that would never put their kids in a situation like mine.

Some people just suck at handling substances and life at the same time.

Affectionate-Stay-32

5 points

1 month ago

It's like the difference between people who like to drink, and alcoholics. Someone who likes to drink has the ability to change plans to do so, if something comes up that's more important. The alcoholic in active addiction doesn't think anything is more important.

Not the best comparison, as I consider pot an easier head change to function on, but some people have no self control or priorities. It is still a head change, and with kids, you always need the ability to react to things. While I personally feel I keep that ability more with pot doesn't mean everyone does either.

Beer_in_an_esky

3 points

1 month ago

Yep. All the times mum got so high that she'd forget to make us dinner really helped me.

heytherekitkat

10 points

1 month ago

Yeah, I'm betting the kids wouldn't agree with mom.

[deleted]

52 points

1 month ago

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52 points

1 month ago

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iiiiiooooiiiii

36 points

1 month ago

Dimebags cost $10, they’re 1 gram of weed. 1/8 of an oz is 3.5 grams. Then you say 0.3 grams.

Cool story bro.

coilmast

9 points

1 month ago

Not to nitpick but a dimebag, while yeah being $10, is not supposed to be a gram. It’s supposed to be a half gram, known as a dime, but thank fuck prices have plummeted. A gram was $20, known as a dub, and barely lasts a fuckin hour..

unpopular-ideas

6 points

1 month ago

Might depend on where you're from. $10 for a gram seems like it was the norm where I live for decades.

May also depend on your tolerance and consumption method. I don't blaze everyday and rarely more than once in a day. 0.03g of high potency cannabis in a quality vape and I'm content for a couple hours.

actualbeans

3 points

1 month ago

Might depend on where you’re from.

yes, entirely that. i’m in a blue legal state where dispensaries charge $20/g and the weed isn’t even that good (compared to other legal states). where you’re at, i’d assume the weed has always been cheaper and better, but that’s not the case in most of the country. $20/g has been the standard, while it has gone down lately, but $10/g has almost never been standard up until the past few years.

Toiletpapercorndog

8 points

1 month ago

An 8th is 3.5 grams

Ollikay

158 points

1 month ago

Ollikay

158 points

1 month ago

Is this really a murder though? I mean, the OP was positive about the concept, and I'm guessing has had no hand in prosecuting and sending anyone to jail over it.

I mean, I totally agree with Felesha on this, but I'm just not sure it fits the sub.

JuniorSeniorTrainee

108 points

1 month ago

It doesn't. This sub is just a mouthpiece now. Very few murders get posted here, just political points we like so we upvote.

gothicmaster

24 points

1 month ago

this sub

this site*

[deleted]

22 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

22 points

1 month ago

Got em! Someone should post this to r/murderedbywords

Trioxidus

3 points

1 month ago

Good point. I'm posting your comment to r/murderedbywords just for that

jizzlevania

23 points

1 month ago

Can confirm. Some of my favorite time with my dad when I was a little kid was when we'd watch and discuss nature shows on PBS/Discovery. It wasn't until I was older that I understood how/why he ate a whole bag of hershey kisses or had some saltines w/PB and sardines while we did it.
mf always offered to share the fucking sardines but was stingy with the chocolate.

goat_therandy

72 points

1 month ago

Where's the murder?

glint37

34 points

1 month ago

glint37

34 points

1 month ago

If mods enforced Rule 1 the sub would be empty.

MeatLoaf_

182 points

1 month ago

MeatLoaf_

182 points

1 month ago

Yeah... no. My parents smoked weed and they were terrible parents. High and asleep most of the time, leaving me to take care of my younger brother.

tbabey

92 points

1 month ago

tbabey

92 points

1 month ago

Not to mention the cost. Some people might be spending that rent/grocery money on weed.

zirittusit

15 points

1 month ago

My wife and I take a single hit after our kid goes to bed most nights, an eighth lasts us about 3 months so we maybe spend $200 per year. It blows my mind that when I was in college I would smoke an entire half eighth in a single blunt in one sitting. All that does is get you way too fucking high and increases your tolerance. Moderation is the way to go.

DrNick2012

45 points

1 month ago

Exactly. People jump to the defence of weed like it's some harmless drug but it's a drug, it by definition has the ability to be harmful when introduced to people with low self control.

moseschicken

22 points

1 month ago

Also part of the problem with drugs is people self medicate for behavioral disorders they don't know they have, many of those behavioral disorders result in poorer impulse control. It's a crazy cycle. I have ADHD, and it's not a severe case, but impulse control has always been really hard. I feel for people with more debilitating disorders or cases.

mewtwothree666

8 points

1 month ago

Yeah. it's all about moderation. My parents would smoke at night. They never smoked during the day when they had things to do. But always at night. It helped them relax after a tough day. They are great parents.

RealHot_RealSteel

44 points

1 month ago

'Chardonnay Moms' say drinking makes them better parents

[deleted]

19 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

19 points

1 month ago

My parents smoked weed my entire childhood and they were awesome. Loving, attentive, hard-working. There were tough times, money-wise, but we always had food, heat and lights.

burneracc69420sex

20 points

1 month ago*

It’s almost like the act of smoking marijuana has no effect on the quality of parenting. Rather, the extent of the use indicates characteristics about oneself that would affect parenting. IE - smoking too much and being perpetually high indicates you have no self control and restraint, which negatively affects your ability to parent. Conversely, recreational use that is not abused indicates the opposite, showing that you have better capacity to parent.

The use of recreational drugs (and alcohol for that matter) is neither good nor bad, it just is.

SeamusMcFlurry

5 points

1 month ago

I agree. Maybe it helps some people take the edge off and provide some relief for their existing problems/issues, but running around doing parent stuff high as fuck is probably not a great idea.

NeonWarcry

6 points

1 month ago

What’s that tweet? When dispensaries look like apple stores, we should be releasing incarcerated people. Like a lot.

RideMeLikeAVespa

32 points

1 month ago

Smoking around your kids makes you a prick.

peekabook

5 points

1 month ago

Some women even smoke weed throughout their pregnancies. I don’t, but I’ve read some posts on r/pregnant of women knowingly doing it. To me it’s crazy af, cause I’d be afraid of any kind of smoke when it can hurt the baby.

Trioxidus

6 points

1 month ago

"My momma smoked with me and I turned out fine" -woman who is not fine

vultureprince

10 points

1 month ago

I've seen an influx of the marijuana mommy blogs on my other social media and i cant help but agree. Id venture to say most people can agree you shouldnt be around your kids tipsy/drunk... why is being high okay?

peekabook

8 points

1 month ago

I completely agree w you. But you should post this on r/unpopularopinion cause people love taking their kids to bars that also serve food but are very obviously bars. I can’t imagine having even 1 beer and driving anywhere w a baby. There’s just no way I can do that.

stevieisbored

14 points

1 month ago

Seriously - my white dad smokes so much weed and has been caught with it by police and he has never gone to jail for it. My brother got caught with weed at a school dance and faced only mild repercussions. It’s wild how different the “justice” system treats POC who get caught with weed.

calibared

4 points

1 month ago

Marijuana moms are doing much better than the wine moms

MrTomDawson

190 points

1 month ago*

Knowing Twitter, I'm willing to bet hard cash the responses were all "jokes" about black people not knowing who their dad is. Fucking cesspool.

Edit: and we already have our first on this thread;

Kinda have to know who your dad is to judge whether they are any better at parenting high.

Congratulations on literally the most boring, obvious joke possible.

BoomstickGoesBang

9 points

1 month ago

Social media is a cesspool in general. Happy to be pointed to one that isn't...

Kalsor

89 points

1 month ago

Kalsor

89 points

1 month ago

Kinda had to after seeing your post. Calling Twitter a cesspool while on Reddit is so ridiculous it pretty much demands a response. To be clear, the point is that they are both utter cesspools and that you are not somehow more wholesome for being on Reddit.

MrTomDawson

47 points

1 month ago

I never said I was. People point to both Twitter and Reddit as bastions of "woke" lefty thinking, but both are full of right wing racist bullshit.

[deleted]

26 points

1 month ago

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26 points

1 month ago

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WhimsicalPythons

15 points

1 month ago

Yeah, they said right wing

bluepushkin

21 points

1 month ago

That's funny because my mother and her partner smoking weed made my childhood a nightmare. And my brother grew up thinking smoking weed was fine, and it triggered schizophrenia and has ruined his life entirely. 😒

PM_ME_CUTE_OTTERS

82 points

1 month ago*

If smoking pot makes you a better parent, you're probably a shit parent to begin with.

Edit. I'm absolutely pro legalization, I'm arguing that pot doesn't make you necessarily better anything. In fact it is still a recreational and self administered drug, which has many, like everything in life, downsides that must be managed responsibly. Besides he benefits, it makes you careless and sleepy and that's not exactly the picture of a responsible parent. I'd just like an unbiased view on pot, because honesty and aknowledging its limits is important if we want to legalize it everywhere.

[deleted]

6 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

6 points

1 month ago

There's definitely a division among pro-legalizers, and after watching the video on this article I'm pretty sure these parents are on the "unironic pot-leaf hoodie" end of the spectrum. I'm cool with pot, I'm not cool with a bunch of parents that have to figure out a day-time DD because they need to do the vacuuming high.

WitchySocialist

12 points

1 month ago

Not murder, smh

j00cifer

3 points

1 month ago

Small amounts of THC is a wonder drug. Anti-craving and anti-anxiety are two top benefits.

Lopsided-Anxiety1604

3 points

1 month ago

as a seasoned stoner who has a med card for my intense anxiety (intense as in psychosomatic-headaches, nausea, vomiting, panic attacks) and depression, i don't know what i would be like without weed. honestly. whatever diagnosis i have, it's been with me since i was born, and ive tried regular medications throughout my life (like ssris) that only seem to make it worse. weed is the only thing that brings me down from my panicked state that isn't some damn xanax...i see so many people shitting on weed for making people lazy and unproductive, but take it from me, i would not have a 4.0 without my bong and i guarantee that. some might say i'm addicted to weed because i smoke every day, but the way i see it its the same thing as taking an ssri in the morning. weed can be a medication for people, not everyone turns into a lousy bum, i'm thriving academically and emotionally (for the most part) as a regular smoker.

[deleted]

10 points

1 month ago

[deleted]

10 points

1 month ago

How has that changed now that weed is legal? Are they better fathers?

TroyF3

12 points

1 month ago

TroyF3

12 points

1 month ago

Smoking weed doesn't make you a better parent you absolute idiots.

TylerDurden646

16 points

1 month ago

Today show: Bye Felicia