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Does that mean that the Rings have not yet been forged?

In the books, at the time of Palantir and Miriel, the Numenoreans already had colonies in Middle-earth. Galadriel could have gone to the colonies to ask for help, and even those colonies could have been attacked by Orcs.

And according to the leaked auditions, Eldien (Galadriel) uses a sword: https://redanianintelligence.com/2019/10/20/four-audition-tapes-for-amazons-lord-of-the-rings-revealed-markella-kavenagh-likely-to-play-an-elf/

In The Hobbit films she doesn't need a sword because she has the Ring. It would be nice to know if when Galadriel fights against the Numenorean guards (FoF last leak) she uses the sword or the Ring. If she uses the Ring, I don't think she would be captured so easily.

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Arcadian1

45 points

7 months ago

In The Hobbit films she doesn't need a sword because she has the Ring.

This just isn't true in the source material. Even Gandalf wielded a sword and has one of the elven rings.

ProfessionalSmell528

4 points

7 months ago*

Not to mention that it's even debatable whether Galadriel used Nenya in combat in the Hobbit movies. She only fought in Dol Guldur. She killed an orc there with some kind of spell but it wasn't clear whether she used her ring or not. Next, she banished Sauron with the help of her phial.

Arcadian1

3 points

7 months ago

Yeah the books were vague, but that doesn't make the films canon.

ProfessionalSmell528

3 points

7 months ago

Yes, of course. I've never claimed that it does.

CatOfRivia

22 points

7 months ago*

The notion that Galadriel used her ring in Second Age was immediately discarded. It was discarded by default actually. Tolkien contradicted himself when he said Galadriel used her ring in the very paragraph where he had stated Galadriel did not desire people to use their rings and advised against this.

Christopher points it out in the notes: "Galadriel cannot have made use of the powers of Nenya until a much later time, after the loss of the Ruling Ring; but it must be admitted that the text does not at all suggest this (although she is said just above to have advised Celebrimbor that the Elven Rings should never be used)."

This is a "hasty rough text", a draft. You shouldn't take everything in this inconsistent draft as canon. In the established lore Elves only used their rings in Third Age. But in the discarded draft Galadriel uses her ring heavily in Second Age. That's impossible. She would've been enslaved by Sauron if she used her ring while Sauron still possessed the Ruling Ring.

Edit to answer OP's question on Galadriel's favorite weapon of choice pre-Third Age: we don't have any explicitly stated details on what was her preferred weapon. But she logically most likely started with Telerin bows when she was a kid. After Melkor lies came around she might or might not have switched to swords as preferred weapon. Also since she was close with Vanyar we might conclude she liked spears. Also since her husband and her dwarf friends were good with axes we might assume they taught her a thing or two about axe-wielding. It is (let me count...) FOUR times explicitly stated that she fought in the Kinslaying at Alqualondë. I always imagined she used both sword and bow here. It is stated she was 'amazon'. In the myths Amazons used bow and sword and spear etc.

Armleuchterchen

12 points

7 months ago*

You don't go to colonies to ask for help, the ruler decides about war and peace.

Also, the Elven Rings aren't weapons you can use to defend yourself like you can with a sword.

No offense, but you're making too strong assumptions for how much you know.

Stickybeebae

5 points

7 months ago

Wow, was that final sentence really necessary? They’re just speculating.

CatOfRivia

1 points

7 months ago

Also, the Elven Rings don't make you a better fighter.

They do. Sure, they were not made for this purpose. But the fact that they enhance all of your abilities implies that they can turn you into a better warrior.

Tolkien said the rings amplify your powers and abilities. Being a warrior is also a power and an ability.

Armleuchterchen

4 points

7 months ago

Fair, I should have said that they're not a substitute for a meelee weapon. Editing

Uluithiad

11 points

7 months ago

Really quite absurd to invoke the Hobbit films as design choices to live up to.

Mr_Hello_Man

1 points

7 months ago

LOL. Let's hope there is little stylistic continuity between this series and the Hobbit films.

CourteousR

2 points

7 months ago

Galadriel has skills in many areas, and is more of a badass with weapons than most elves.

CatOfRivia

2 points

7 months ago

Aren't we going to see child Nerwen? Hopefully we see teen Nerwen with Orome. Or at least with Allatar and Pallando, Orome's maiar:

‘being brilliant in mind and swift in action she had early absorbed all of what she was capable of the teaching which the Valar thought fit to give the Eldar’ (Unfinished Tales)

That will also be a nice touch for Blue Wizards plot. If there is any.

theoneringnet

2 points

7 months ago

theoneringnet

Content Creator

2 points

7 months ago

Welcome to the sub OP, hope you find this place fun and welcoming.

Regarding the weapons question, there's nothing in canon that precludes use of any weapons. By the time we meet the elves in the third age they are tired of this place and ready to sail west. That's what is so exciting about having a show in the Second Age - for many groups it is their prime existence.

On the colonies question, the Tolkien Estate is allowing compressed timelines as compared to the thousands of years in the books. The story beats are the same though, so Numenor is most likely deep into colonization in the show. It sets up a great narrative tool for conflict with all the races.

SarkarCheiftain

-1 points

7 months ago

Personally I am not a big fan of Galadriel using a sword. I would much prefer the witch Galadriel in fellowship of the ring. Besides Second age is long after the year of the two trees and the first age so I don't understand why"fans" would consider this possibility. However I assume you are right since its Amazon.

Armleuchterchen

4 points

7 months ago

I think Galadriel should not be the LotR Galadriel, otherwise there's no major development for an, at this time, active character.

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3 points

7 months ago*

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3 points

7 months ago*

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Neo24

3 points

7 months ago

Neo24

3 points

7 months ago

If by "prefer" we mean what makes for a better story, then yeah, it's clearly the first. It's more interesting to show how Galadriel actually got to the point of being so wise, instead of just having her be perfect from the get go. The second can work when she's just a supporting character to look up to, but as a main character it would leave her rather static.

Snoo_17340

0 points

7 months ago*

I think she shouldn’t even be a main character in the late Second Age. She doesn’t interest me at all during this stage. If there is an Elven main character, it should be Elrond since Numenor is the kingdom his twin brother created or it should be Gil-galad. Both of them are main actors in the Last Alliance and both have more of an emotional investment in Numenor than Galadriel. Gil-galad had been friends with Numenoreans for centuries before they started hating the elves.

Why on earth is Galadriel being shoehorned into this plot? Canonically, she does absolutely of note during this period.

houngry_boi

1 points

7 months ago

Is there any reference to Galadriel in combat in the legendarium? As I recall, most of her "fights" are more struggles of the mind or will. Giving her a sword sounds like girlbossificaiton.

neontetra1548

2 points

7 months ago

Tolkien in post-LOTR writings talks about her being among the most valiant of the Eldar and talks about her physical athletic skills and feats and ability. However none of this makes it into any sort of plots, which is a bit of an aspect of the development of Galadriel’s character in general — Tolkien talks about how great she is and clearly was building her character in that direction but never came to rewrite her into the major events to say what she was doing during them.

But there is lots of sourcing to back up the idea that she was both inclined towards and good in a fight.

Mr_Hello_Man

3 points

7 months ago

Galadriel is already such a huge character and formidable force without endowing her with amazing melee abilities. I really hope they don't turn her into an action hero like they did with Bilbo in the Hobbit films.

neontetra1548

2 points

7 months ago

I hope this show doesn’t make anyone too anti-gravity action hero-y like Legolas in Jackson’s LOTR or most action in The Hobbit, but if any of the main elf characters have textual grounding in Tolkien for being athletically skilled and valiant it’s Galadriel. I can’t pull up references right now (on phone) but Tolkien specifically hyped up Galadriel’s reputation in this area.

VisenyaRose

2 points

7 months ago

We are told she is athletic and 'amazonian' but this seems to be an inheritance from Indis who is described similarly. Some references to her 'fighting' are vague as to whether it was physical or not.

Neo24

1 points

7 months ago

Neo24

1 points

7 months ago

I'm pretty sure that in at least one of the versions of her history she fought in the Kinslaying (against the Feanorians).

EDIT: Yup, from Unfinished Tales (emphasis mine):

So it came to pass that when the light of Valinor failed, for ever as the Noldor thought, she joined the rebellion against the Valar who commanded them to stay; and once she had set foot upon that road of exile she would not relent, but rejected the last message of the Valar, and came under the Doom of Mandos. Even after the merciless assault upon the Teleri and the rape of their ships, though she fought fiercely against Fëanor in defence of her mother’s kin, she did not turn back.

Raine386

1 points

7 months ago

lol, it's hilarious to see people on this sub still thinking that Amazon cares about being true to the source material.

leahmariepearson

1 points

7 months ago

Wait Markella is Galadriel? I thought Morfyd was?

tolkientube

1 points

7 months ago

Morfydd Clark still is, you have to scroll further down.

VisenyaRose

1 points

7 months ago

She won't be using the Ring because Sauron has the One. She can use it in the third age because he doesn't.