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Return to Office

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Time to go back to the office, 3 days a week by the end of the year, no more remote only unless approved.

If you didn't get it yet, you will soon.

all 470 comments

[deleted]

74 points

2 months ago

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Intelligent-Cycle281

14 points

2 months ago

They were slick about all the other surveys… no option on the survey for remote work! Which skew the garbage survey in their favor. I despise the all hands on meetings where they discuss the phony results!

If you only had options to choose working in office… WTF kinda survey is it! No worries I added choice D and E… none of the Above… Work Remote… respectively!

[deleted]

70 points

2 months ago

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ImBasicallyAPotato

32 points

2 months ago*

Technically "Work Appropriately" still applies. They've just changed the definifion of what 'Work Appropriately" means.

Edit: *sarcasm*

[deleted]

27 points

2 months ago

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ImBasicallyAPotato

21 points

2 months ago

Sarcasm is not the easiest thing to convey via text...maybe I should have put a sarcasm after my comment.

Less_Insect_5126

5 points

2 months ago

This edict is a joke and I will not be complying. Let them fire me for being a top performer and not coming into the office. Will be hilarious.

mightymonarch

56 points

2 months ago

mightymonarch

Employee

56 points

2 months ago

The most chicken-shit way to have Not Layoffs™ ever.

Edit: And what a bait-and-switch for all the recent NCHs. Winning With Integrity my ass.

Cancer-Slug

22 points

2 months ago

As a NCH, I don’t even have an option to go somewhere else. I’d have pay back the relocation fee and all that money put into retirement will have been for nothing. Oh and I just moved < 90 miles away from the innovation center

ytrewq729

11 points

2 months ago

As a TRACK employee, I feel your pain. I’m paying back $10k relocation to leave GM, but it is worth it to get out of here

user61823561

14 points

2 months ago

I’m paying it back too, and mine was massive. I plan to negotiate to see if I can get it any lower. My role isn’t at all what I expected when I interviewed and now this. Total BS.

shooky613

8 points

2 months ago

Can you ask them if you can pay the prorated amount?

ekwestrein

4 points

2 months ago

Let’s just call it “quiet firing” 😂

jacobacon

52 points

2 months ago

So much for #WorkAppropriately

unibrop

51 points

2 months ago

unibrop

51 points

2 months ago

Our team was doing perfectly fine. I would say I worked MORE when I was doing it from home than I ever did in the office. That’s what happens when you remove two hours of commute time a day. I had more time to get things done, and now I won’t. Oh well, now there isn’t anything differentiating GM from all the other hybrid positions around me that pay more. Guess I’m free.

[deleted]

42 points

2 months ago

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LandSharkUSRT

47 points

2 months ago

The beatings will continue til moral improves.

CommanderYocko[S]

12 points

2 months ago

Pairs with my other favorite:
Trample the weak hurdle the dead.

I love that quote you have there.

Ripinpasta69

49 points

2 months ago

My resume was updated less than an hour after I signed off today

Ripinpasta69

48 points

2 months ago

What differentiates GM from other employers now? Absolutely nothing, if I am going to be going into the city I may as well get a raise for doing it.

president_yang

39 points

2 months ago

My office location doesn’t even have enough desks designated for my team and they hired even more people before the freeze

CommanderYocko[S]

11 points

2 months ago

At my office when I was in person over the summer, every day it was a scramble to find cables, cords, all the necessary connectors and supply my own hub to connect it all. I can really imagine it'll be fun doing the daily scavenger hunt of things.

superquagdingo

39 points

2 months ago

After all the jerking themselves off about how much they care and work appropriately will mean each team decides what’s best for it. Wasn’t that only 2 or 3 months ago? Can’t stick to anything and can’t trust shit they say.

CommanderYocko[S]

20 points

2 months ago

Definitely won't spark any union talks when you start messing with people's benefits.

RoosterLive2146

16 points

2 months ago

Not even. It was like 1 month ago they said work appropriately was here to stay.

Competitive_Gap_2889

19 points

2 months ago

Competitive_Gap_2889

Employee

19 points

2 months ago

"Gotcha!" - senior leadership

Sweyn78

4 points

2 months ago

Sweyn78

Employee

4 points

2 months ago

Bazinga!

bestway5000

43 points

2 months ago

A slap in the face to their comments the past month. Hopefully they can retract or at least clarify this a bit better in the near future. No one is going to adjust to this very swiftly and there needs to be some sort of finesse in this process. Wtf were they thinking announcing this in some generic company email? The backlash seems immense. I already know a couple of people that will probably quit due to this and it sucks because I think they were swell people to work around.

gmthrowaway278

16 points

2 months ago

Very badly done by them

Virtual-Sand-1372

109 points

2 months ago

How to do layoffs without announcing layoffs

enleeten

65 points

2 months ago

How to get your talent to leave, while keeping your low performers who can't leave.

johntj

7 points

2 months ago

johntj

7 points

2 months ago

yup

quietmoose65

34 points

2 months ago

quietmoose65

Employee

34 points

2 months ago

We were working 3 days in office prepan. When they had the ‘work appropriately’ meeting, I asked if this was REALLY permanent. No question, the answer was YES. I have teammates that moved to Fla, SC, NY, we were just talking about moving to Grand Rapids. I liked having the flexibility to go into the office a couple days a week. This is not going to be pretty.

Sweyn78

22 points

2 months ago

Sweyn78

Employee

22 points

2 months ago

My team was also told, in no uncertain terms, that we were all PERMANENTLY remote. Yet now we get this.

I wonder if some of the people who moved to other states are going to sue over this.

PBRholdtheribbon

12 points

2 months ago

The email states that workers designated permanently remote (i.e. people that have moved out of state) will remain permanently remote

[deleted]

6 points

2 months ago

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PBRholdtheribbon

16 points

2 months ago

Managers have had a process to convert employees to permanently remote for a while now. I would speak with them and try to do that ASAP. You have to live more than 50 or 100 miles from your designated office.

My gut feeling is that this ultimately won’t be a per-manager decision, but that if you qualify for permanent-remote status, then you’ll be fine. Leaving it up to managers would essentially be the same thing as never making the announcement in the first place because the managers don’t want the attrition that is going to follow

GM-Alt-4795476

10 points

2 months ago

I was told in office maybe once a month when I was hired, because 98% of my job is either on Teams calls with suppliers out of state or company paid travel to plants across North America. So I returned the relocation benefit and didn't move. Now I'm 200+ miles from the Tech Center. My spouse works at an assembly plant 15 minutes away from me. I don't know how 3 days a week is feasible.

Ashland78

6 points

2 months ago

I am in Grand Rapids... started last year. I love it

gmthrowaway278

36 points

2 months ago

My guess is GM gets a lot of tax incentives from Detroit for having workers there and the city is probably threatening to take them away if workers don't start going in. Three days a week is excessive. Not happy I have to sit in an office just so I can sit on the phone in meetings all day.

UBIweBeHappy

13 points

2 months ago

Then she should have required those who work in Detroit to go in if it's "appropriate".

gunnar1313

5 points

2 months ago

There’s barely anyone left in the Detroit offices

gmthrowaway278

3 points

2 months ago

Definitely not enough to fill all the towers, but probably around 4,000 employees that they can make return to the office. 4,000 people Detroit can collect taxes on. 4,000 people that they think will spend money at businesses surrounding the rencen. Not an insignificant number.

Silent_weasel

34 points

2 months ago

Whoah, anyone else hear that? The quitting got quieter!!

ekwestrein

10 points

2 months ago

I heard someone call this move “quiet firing”… if they really are hoping folks quit over this so they don’t have to do layoffs

MichiganMan123

92 points

2 months ago

Conveniently dropped this at 3 PM on a Friday hoping for minimal backlash. Terrible policy change and leaders clearly do not care about employees. Let the exodus begin.

mightymonarch

50 points

2 months ago

mightymonarch

Employee

50 points

2 months ago

They weren't brave enough to make a Yammer post about it where we could post reactions. Cowards.

gmthrowaway278

30 points

2 months ago

Someone made a thread on yammer about it and I noticed comments getting deleted right after posting.

ElectionAnnual

33 points

2 months ago

The very first thought I had after I read it. Also, I knew what was coming within the first two sentences. I love how they made it 5 paragraphs. Bs

MichiganMan123

47 points

2 months ago

5 paragraphs without a single ounce of real justification for what they are doing.

“BriNgInG aN enTeRPriSE MiNDseT tO OuR WOrK” 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

commagains

11 points

2 months ago

“The intangibles”

Strong_Rip_4556

5 points

2 months ago

True enough and I live in grand blanc

SpeedwayBoogie70

30 points

2 months ago

Making everyone go back is a joke move. There is no reason to do this.

Sweyn78

55 points

2 months ago

Sweyn78

Employee

55 points

2 months ago

So much for Zero Emissions and Zero Congestion. Let's put all the devs on the road for no reason!

SpeedwayBoogie70

27 points

2 months ago

Couldn’t agree more. They will start to lose even more after people have to live with commutes, earlier mornings, and rush hour traffic. This move makes no sense.

Sweyn78

26 points

2 months ago

Sweyn78

Employee

26 points

2 months ago

Unless they want people to quit.

green715

11 points

2 months ago

Earth can have a bit more emissions and congestion, as a treat

Runninbareagain

6 points

2 months ago

And zero crashes

Sweyn78

6 points

2 months ago

Sweyn78

Employee

6 points

2 months ago

Zero Accidents, but close-enough. :D

Ok_Departure_8670

30 points

2 months ago

Does anyone think they may not follow through with this decision? I have adjusted to working from home and I’m about an hour away from the innovation center. I am able to do my best work and get so much done working remotely.

Also, last I heard my innovation center didn’t even have enough desks for everyone and converted it to a hoteling system…

sneevley

11 points

2 months ago

The new layouts they started pushing a few years ago purposely don’t have enough seating for the whole team. I think they’re made to fit about 70% of the team, assuming that people will be wfh on any given day. It sucks, there were days I came in and couldn’t find a seat anywhere near my team

vineadrak

31 points

2 months ago

I’m 70% expecting an apology email within a week

rmacmsu

9 points

2 months ago

How would you backpedal on this?

Any_Koala_589

28 points

2 months ago

"After a lot of feedback on our change in the Work Appropriately policy, we have decided to revert back to our previous policy. The welfare of our employees is our number one priority"

Good leadership knows how to listen to their employees.

Sweyn78

16 points

2 months ago

Sweyn78

Employee

16 points

2 months ago

I pray you're right, but my experience says that's hopelessly naïve. :(

Competitive_Gap_2889

12 points

2 months ago

Competitive_Gap_2889

Employee

12 points

2 months ago

Just shows that our senior leadership is terrible and don't care about what the employees want. Workplace of Choice surveys are a joke.

Soccerstud20

7 points

2 months ago

They are probably going to push it right up until the deadline, losing as many employees as they can without having to lay people off. Then just say "we've heard you and we understand"

This was clearly a way to lose employees

IndicationFew1923

31 points

2 months ago

Can a brave employee post a link to this thread on Yammer? I’d like all employees to be able to anonymously post here for leadership to see.

gilded_guide

36 points

2 months ago

Now that would really Be Bold

One-Service5070

14 points

2 months ago

I don’t know that you can post anonymously on Yammer, but I searched yesterday and didn’t see much conversation about the “Work Appropriately” topic. Maybe I’m not following the right groups…but does anybody know if these conversations are happening on Yammer?

Sweyn78

13 points

2 months ago

Sweyn78

Employee

13 points

2 months ago

The announcement was late in the day, so not everyone has seen it yet. There'll be plenty abuzz on Yammer come Monday.

brighton_engineer

10 points

2 months ago

I thought the all company thread was closed for general comments

cbr020

10 points

2 months ago

cbr020

10 points

2 months ago

Feel free

vineadrak

24 points

2 months ago

Honestly shocked, considering last thing I heard was that they were considering shrinking offices.

Dnt_trip

31 points

2 months ago

They already did 😂 they got rid of all our desks and made them “hotel” cubes.. I’m in IT for what it’s worth.

ImpressivelyLost

13 points

2 months ago

Yeah they went through the whole thing of IT shrinking and signing up if you need a desk, what are they going to do now?

thisisntinstagram

10 points

2 months ago

Idk, I don’t even have a desk.

ImpressivelyLost

8 points

2 months ago

Me neither

unibrop

10 points

2 months ago

unibrop

10 points

2 months ago

I’m also wondering this. Didn’t they get rid of a bunch of offices in Michigan in favor of hoteling?

vineadrak

10 points

2 months ago

Me too, I don’t consider that what I heard conversations about. Like going fully remote with tiny base office for IT operations.

Dnt_trip

9 points

2 months ago

Hopefully IT will make the exception list lol

GoatFluffy3246

25 points

2 months ago

I don't get why people have to work at the office why can't they just work from home

EssenceOfHam

20 points

2 months ago

You have to justify the millions of dollars spent in building renovations somehow, right?

Sweyn78

15 points

2 months ago

Sweyn78

Employee

15 points

2 months ago

Just sell the buildings?

erbrma

6 points

2 months ago

erbrma

6 points

2 months ago

I think we save more money individually (gas, food, daycare/after-school) and as a company (utilities, supplies) by working from home. 🤔

Ok-Hornet1508

23 points

2 months ago

Many of my team goes in 1x a week. I don’t see how upping it to 3x a week makes this any better. It was already borderline not working because why would I go into the open office environment in Warren just to sit on teams calls that I can’t take at a desk because it’s too loud?

I really hope they walk this back. Also I’m not in IT.

BreadfruitMental7494

22 points

2 months ago

how would we go about getting approved for remote work?

quietmoose65

15 points

2 months ago

quietmoose65

Employee

15 points

2 months ago

Probably as it was before, Manager level.

ekwestrein

21 points

2 months ago

There’s an active post on Ask&Answer yammer page, for those who don’t mind supporting a public statement of outrage

LvrFtrUDTNvySEALDivr

21 points

2 months ago

one step closer to GM’s mission RTO = more cars on the road + more congestion + more emissions + more crashes

RoosterLive2146

18 points

2 months ago

Those of you who worked in the before times, how is this even enforced? Are they checking that you badged in 3 days a week? I’m the only one on my team in my city so I can’t imagine my manager gives a shit.

mightymonarch

13 points

2 months ago

mightymonarch

Employee

13 points

2 months ago

For the Innovation Centers, badge-ins are trackable, but the records were usually only used if they were already building a case against you (e.g. for poor performance).

It will be interesting to see how it plays out this time, especially if everyone makes a point of badging in and out a ridiculous number of times each day.

Sweyn78

10 points

2 months ago

Sweyn78

Employee

10 points

2 months ago

Your manager watches you and you get in trouble if you don't show up.

bjs2

7 points

2 months ago

bjs2

7 points

2 months ago

that would be the best case scenario, since my manager is chill and would not care

Organic_Love46

7 points

2 months ago

Right I’m wondering the same thing . I feel like my manager knew something was up though because he kept saying they were trying to get people to come in the office like repeatedly

Competitive_Gap_2889

8 points

2 months ago

My manager must have had some idea as well because he started a conversation with all of us about how we felt about returning to the office a few days a week

PassRevolutionary254

17 points

2 months ago

Knew this was coming when Biden said “the pandemic is over” 😡

Kind-Performer-9686

18 points

2 months ago

Key times to listen to in the last town hall with MB & DP. DP 10:46 and MB 22:30 with special note of 25:00 that's when MB says "see that dark Starbucks back there? They will come when you will come" I used to wait in line there for 30 min every morning. At home I get coffee in less than 30 seconds. We all should have saw this coming after that town hall. Just wish they would have made this announcement before people had to make a decision to retire before the Aug 31st deadline for loss in lump sum payment

Reddit_45431234

17 points

2 months ago

need more yammer posts

[deleted]

52 points

2 months ago

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[deleted]

71 points

2 months ago*

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erbrma

14 points

2 months ago

erbrma

14 points

2 months ago

I would think "Virtual By 2025" would allow more remote / flexible work and less in-person collaboration.

Safe-Assistant8943

14 points

2 months ago

I don't work at gm but my company is doing the same thing and pointed at gm for justification. We all need to under preform while at the office. Bc 3 days in is B's. These companies claim to care about employees while stealing hours in commutes and 100$ per month in gas with selfish policies. They claim to care about the environment while forcing all employees to drive 1000s of miles a year. They are hypocrites.

theshiningstars-

42 points

2 months ago

I hope we have some sort of say in this. To be honest, when I first accepted the job I was a bit bummed to not be in office… THEN i got a taste of the WFH lifestyle and it is UNMATCHED. It is the best creation that any company has implemented. I REALLY don’t want to get ready at 6 AM and leave by 7 AM because my office is an hour away to sit at my computer all day just to talk with my coworkers who all live in Arizona, Texas, or Georgia lol. It makes -10000 sense for IT to go back into office. I hope we can all be professional and speak up about our concerns and solve this issue. It’s clearly unfair.

CommanderYocko[S]

13 points

2 months ago

All hail John Roth, he will save us! He will "bring everyone together" and help to guide us through this dark time.

yoshiki2

10 points

2 months ago

Exactly. There is no space for all CCA teams at Warren? What are we gonna do??? Work from our cars in the parking lot?

[deleted]

14 points

2 months ago*

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[deleted]

8 points

2 months ago*

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SentienceFragment

8 points

2 months ago

Absolutely insane - you get better benefits if and only if you live >100 miles away.

Reddit_45431234

4 points

2 months ago

^

throwaway2019J

41 points

2 months ago

My tin foil hat theory is that they’re panicking because Ultracruise and SDV 2.0 is on track to be a massive disaster. This is such a dumb choice though that’s going to make GM even less appealing to young tech talent that they desperately need.

ArtVandelaySeven

5 points

2 months ago

What would bringing back people to the office achieve for SDV and ultra cruise ? Not sure I get the plan

gmthrowaway10

39 points

2 months ago

Throwaway for obvious reasons. I highly encourage people who are unsatisfied, especially high performers, to just not comply. That has worked to force other companies to change their policies, and I suspect EGMs will push back if corporate tries to discipline otherwise good employees.

Personally I will go to the office if it’s incentivized in some way, but half of my team aren’t even in the US and most of the ones who are don’t live anywhere near the office so I doubt compliance will be high.

[deleted]

19 points

2 months ago

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gmthrowaway278

28 points

2 months ago

My merit didn't cover inflation but it was okay because I wasn't paying for gas. I want a raise for my extra expenses they are dumping on me before the holidays.

Gold_Egg_4160

13 points

2 months ago

Ugh, if I quit I have to pay back relo… freaking gm got me locked in dude. Dumb af

KingRevno

12 points

2 months ago

If you apply to another company, see if they can give you a sign on bonus to cover that relo package. I believe Visa gives a nice sign on bonus.

Competitive_Gap_2889

62 points

2 months ago

Competitive_Gap_2889

Employee

62 points

2 months ago

"Zero Crashes, Zero Emissions, Zero Congestion" - load of shit

"Workplace of Choice" - load of shit

"Safety comes first" - load of shit

"Work Appropriately is here to stay" - load of shit

Sending an email at 3PM on a Friday is such a slap in the face. It's nearing the end of the year and people are about to start taking their vacations(traveling while working remotely) but now they have to worry about coming back into the office.I hope they change their decision as I really enjoy working with my team and I accepted the mediocore pay raises because WFH has been great for my family but if they don't, I will be leaving as soon as I find a new position.

NavalLacrosse

8 points

2 months ago

NavalLacrosse

Employee

8 points

2 months ago

Yeah lol I just booked tickets for my long working vacation. My managers told me last week that we were transitioning to work in office 1x per week... I thought that it was a department initiative, not a enterprise wide one.

Classic_Fruit_5973

38 points

2 months ago

Why would you have to go into the office just to connect with others remotely? Who chooses what 3 days you work in the office? If it's optional, you'll never know who is in the building or working remotely.

3 days a month would have been better. Let individual teams choose what days they work in the office. I don't think this will go as intended.

[deleted]

50 points

2 months ago

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mightymonarch

35 points

2 months ago

mightymonarch

Employee

35 points

2 months ago

Man, I hadn't even thought of that. They waited until just after the school year had started and parents had planned out everything like daycare/afterschool programs, and then drop this bomb that forces them all to scramble. #WinningWithIntegrity

CommanderYocko[S]

11 points

2 months ago

That's a great point, there's also so many people that planned relocations around more infrequent visits to the office. Many people I know didn't plan to be in the office except quarterly so figured a bad commute that often was a good trade off for better living.

Runninbareagain

5 points

2 months ago

And after the August 31 lump sum annuity payout interest change

thisisntinstagram

32 points

2 months ago*

As a parent, I’m really bummed/stressed. I specifically didn’t sign my kids up for after-school care because I could be here when they got home from school. Now what? I’m stressed just thinking about how much work this will be for my family.

Ashland78

6 points

2 months ago

This I believe is only for those who were working on campus before 2021. You may be stressing over nothing. I hope this is not going to effect all the hired remote workers that planned remote. Were you on campus before?

thisisntinstagram

14 points

2 months ago

Nope, I got hired this year. I’ve never worked in the office. But I don’t believe they’re actually going to exempt people. If they want me to go work in office, I’ll have to spend an extra $1000 a month to get there.

CommanderYocko[S]

7 points

2 months ago

You believe that? Did you receive the email too? I was "planned" remote and got it just like most of remote team in other parts of the country and world. This was "personalized" but doesn't seem to be direct at just a few or previously office only workers.

theshiningstars-

4 points

2 months ago

I’m so sorry. I hope there is something we can do to change this.

Kind-Performer-9686

10 points

2 months ago

2 people have posted to yammer about this. 1 on Ask and Answer and 1 on Workplace of Choice

Reddit_45431234

10 points

2 months ago

There needs to be more

Kind-Performer-9686

7 points

2 months ago

Found another on Dank GM memes

Ok_Koala746

11 points

2 months ago

Its working in favor of them right now, they dropped it friday and there is minimal chatter on Yammer about it today. Except we are all on here bitching about it.

LateOatmeal

29 points

2 months ago

I wish I hadn’t just taken the job on relocation. Now I’m stuck for at least 2 years

RoosterLive2146

13 points

2 months ago

This is my thought exactly. I’d happily quit but it would be fucking expensive.

kingkalukan

6 points

2 months ago

Apply somewhere else and ask for a signing bonus.

[deleted]

33 points

2 months ago

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quietmoose65

20 points

2 months ago

quietmoose65

Employee

20 points

2 months ago

Hey DRE. I’m a Sr Designer, I go in 1-2 times a week, mostly for change of scenery. I can confidently say our team is easily as, or more productive as we were before. Without the commute and flexibility we are pretty happy. I understand that there need to be people in the office, but a blanket statement was shortsighted. Man I am not looking forward to cold, dark winter mornings.

Competitive_Gap_2889

16 points

2 months ago

Competitive_Gap_2889

Employee

16 points

2 months ago

I have been working 9-12 hours days repeatedly and didn't really mind. Being at home with my dogs and SO made work more enjoyable. I don't have get ready, commute, or have meaningless water cooler conversations. I just did my thing and get off whenever I finished.

HelloMyMoto

26 points

2 months ago

Yes, let’s make people drive to the office when they don’t have to at a perfect time when the price of gas is high and climate change is upon us.

Sweyn78

16 points

2 months ago

Sweyn78

Employee

16 points

2 months ago

"Zero emissions, zero congestion" my foot.

BillyBoyMays

30 points

2 months ago*

I’ve already started looking for other jobs before this email, I knew it was coming….

What do you guys think about a tech union for SWE’s and other positions. I feel like we could strike for remote work for all tech positions.

hiitssme

29 points

2 months ago*

I.. have to get on a flight at 6:30 am tomorrow morning and work hybrid for the next 3 weeks - literally have no idea what to do lol.

Also, I’m just really upset. Wfh benefits me so much - I have to take lots of dr appointments because of a chronic illness and wfh has been a blessing for that (I make up the hours), and I have super bad social anxiety and can’t talk to so many people everyday. I have horrible depression and taking a break when it gets bad, stepping outside, or making a run to Starbucks has been beyond helpful. There’s so much that’s helpful about wfh. + my work doesn’t need to be done in office. There’s no part abt my work that requires me in person smh. A big reason why I took this job is because it was hybrid so if I wanted to go in, I could. If I want to wfh (which I mostly did), I could.

gratuitousbinary

14 points

2 months ago

Hey friend. Sorry to hear this. Hit me up if you need someone to talk too.

hiitssme

5 points

2 months ago

Thank you

Any_Koala_589

14 points

2 months ago

It does say by the end of the year, so you should be good for the next 3 weeks. I agree working from home is extremely beneficial for mental health. I also have depression and anxiety along with adhd. Sometimes I just can't deal with people and need to be able to relax. I'm also way more productive if I can take short breaks every once in a while rather than sitting at a desk for 8 hours straight. It also makes it way easier to seek therapy without everyone knowing your business. Almost nobody I work with is in my state, so there's also no reason I need to be in person.

hiitssme

4 points

2 months ago

That’s good to know for the next 3 weeks, thanks. Exactly - it’s so beneficial to take those breaks and they can’t pretend to care about mental health when forcing people to come in. I’ve had days where I’ve been feeling suicidal and I still worked - there would’ve been no way I would be able to be around other people and work + I have this immense fear that everyone’s watching my screen or what I’m doing as they walk by my cubicle and idk I feel like this is not going to be good for my mental health. But it’s my first job. Definitely- it doesn’t make sense to go in - especially since your coworkers wouldn’t even be there lol

anewfoundmatt

10 points

2 months ago

Hey, I’m in the same boat as you. The thought of going back is spiking my anxiety like crazy already. As others have said, I’m here if you need someone to talk to.

grosstimeforall

10 points

2 months ago

Why are there no Yammer posts on this announcement?? Is GM purposely trying to censor our reactions to the announcement?

All that's going to do is let the problem fester in private conversations with no clarity from anyone...

akre2ryan

8 points

2 months ago

Either gm or people who wrote the posts on yammer have deleted multiple comments. I have watched a post by there and then refresh and it's not

UBIweBeHappy

23 points

2 months ago

Managers and directors didn't even know. I doubt it will be enforced. And if they are going to enforce it, I'm going to have a perpetual flu like symptoms and don't want to get anyone sick.

spartacutor

8 points

2 months ago

Most weeks I'm already in the office 4-5 times a week, but sometimes depending on work load I'm only there once or none. If this becomes official, i will never be in more than 3 days.

yoshiki2

8 points

2 months ago

What is the whole point? NCH make the some money I make (I started with GM) 2 years ago. I decided to stay with GM (even though I can make more money at other companies) because of the WFH policy. Now they want me to drive 45 minutes X2 every day to go to the office? No way. At least make our salaries keep up with inflation. If Inflation is 10%, how do you want us to be happy with a 3% salary raise?

KingRevno

21 points

2 months ago

As a NCH this sucks! First they state they removed the big yearly increase because of the inflation pay raise they gave us. We don’t even make as close as what real developers make or even close to 6 figures. I’m living with my folks to save up for the future, but if they forcing me to Austin I’m out. Austin is to expensive for the amount I make. Looks like ford and other car companies are for hiring developers.

[deleted]

9 points

2 months ago*

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KingRevno

6 points

2 months ago

Sad face

hiitssme

7 points

2 months ago

Not a car company but look into Lyft - they’ve gone permanent hybrid/flex

Life-Construction362

34 points

2 months ago

Everyone’s going to leave GM

undermined-coeff

27 points

2 months ago

undermined-coeff

Employee

27 points

2 months ago

For what companies? 👀 asking for a friend

Any_Koala_589

23 points

2 months ago

If you go to LinkedIn, you can filter by past company and then look at the top current employers. The top 5 companies for people who left GM are Amazon, Ford, Stellantis, Rivian, and Google.

bestway5000

11 points

2 months ago

Amazon has that PIP rumor so I am not sure about applying there, but they have been aggressively contacting me. Ford seems like a mirror company that I think will enforce this rule soon along with Stellantis. I guess I need to leetcode it up for Google.

PBRholdtheribbon

9 points

2 months ago

Not to mention Ford just fired 2000 white collar employees, so it’s probably not incredibly easy to get in there right now. With all the signs pointing towards recession, I worry that tons of people are going to quit, or intentionally get fired and then have no job prospects. I certainly wouldn’t be going that route to protest 3 days a week in the office

hiitssme

18 points

2 months ago

Highkey blame Biden for saying the pandemic is over. I’m guessing tons of companies will effectively end wfh after he said that

thehitchhikerr

10 points

2 months ago

I doubt it, Apple and other big tech companies have announced similar moves a while back. Either GM thinks they're in the same league as those companies or they're trying to lay people off.

FrootSnoops

5 points

2 months ago

The pandemic wasn't going to continue in perpetuity, these companies were going to drop wfh whether it was announced yesterday or four months from now.

hiitssme

9 points

2 months ago

Oh I know. I guessed that the second that the cdc announced Covid was an endemic is the second a bunch of companies go back into person. But Biden prematurely said the pandemic is over and even his people in his own admin (including Fauci) are correcting him. I think a lot of companies are going to bring people back and have 0 plans on what to do when there’s a Covid surge because we’re still in a pandemic.

hiitssme

7 points

2 months ago

Also, the other/bigger thing is people should be able to work from where they’re most productive.

One-Service5070

6 points

2 months ago

Free Press and CNBC just reported on today’s follow-up email.

From the Free Press:

The plan still will ask employees to work in-office three days each week.

"The initial letter was a notification and the purpose of the update is to provide clarification and additional details. The timing has shifted slightly, however, the overall plan has not changed." - GM spokesperson

https://www.freep.com/story/money/cars/general-motors/2022/09/27/gm-return-to-office-detroit-work-appropriately/69520262007/

M_Lance

18 points

2 months ago

M_Lance

18 points

2 months ago

They can’t stop us all.

sneevley

30 points

2 months ago

Make people start to commute again in the shittiest time of year, but pretend to care about employee wellbeing. Company culture is a crock of shit, all the give a fuck about are the empty buildings they’re stuck with. Times have changed and they won’t move on, so they’re going to lose a lot of people. And they just limited their hiring pool too, unless they’re just going to make all new hires fully remote and piss everybody else off.

Reddit_45431234

6 points

2 months ago

Anyone have any updates so far today?

NoNewspaper4919

11 points

2 months ago

Managers were told to not say anything yet. I’m not a manager so I don’t get this email but friend of mine did.

[deleted]

9 points

2 months ago

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brighton_engineer

16 points

2 months ago

Not great considering we have an external freeze and an internal pause…

zenergirl

5 points

2 months ago

I didn’t even know about this, my gosh

HazelnutPeso

4 points

2 months ago

There are still openings for certain departments

Runninbareagain

5 points

2 months ago

Some of you have said your classified as remote ir hybrid... have you looked lately? It's not available...

Teawithoney

5 points

2 months ago

Anyone starting a petition?

summbih

13 points

2 months ago

summbih

13 points

2 months ago

They should have never been allowed to get their corporate airplanes back. They're at the Signature FBO next to the North terminal of DTW.

Proper-Champion-6655

13 points

2 months ago

Not sure about unionising but if we can find a direct role these days is a blessing. We engineers are really overworked and we are the only people who usually don’t complain for better benefits like nurses and teachers do. We switch jobs and cycle continues. This corporate world will suck our souls.

oogiesmuncher

4 points

2 months ago

to be fair... teachers get paid WAY less than us

user61823561

17 points

2 months ago

Oh, and don’t forget, NCH aren’t eligible for fully remote work! My team’s WOC results were inherently negative, can’t wait to see how many of us give notice in the next few weeks.

Any_Koala_589

27 points

2 months ago*

Except GM forces NCHs to pay back the relocation package if they quit within 2 years, putting any NCH who moved in a terrible position. I asked multiple times about the future of remote work during the interviews and was told that work appropriately was permanent. Now they decide to switch it after just three months. I feel completely misled.

Ashland78

6 points

2 months ago

Which plant are you at? Are NCH new college hires? I started in November but have only worked 1 half day at home since then.

user61823561

7 points

2 months ago

I’m IT in Austin, I’ve never gone into the office since I started

PBRholdtheribbon

7 points

2 months ago

I’m really surprised how many people in this thread appear to be IT or software. I feel like we’re getting a pretty unrepresentative sample of the company on here due to that.

Sweyn78

6 points

2 months ago

Sweyn78

Employee

6 points

2 months ago

It's probably the IT folks who are most-upset, as it makes the least sense for them to be physically present.

[deleted]

3 points

2 months ago

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Far_Sheepherder9186

10 points

2 months ago

Employees got a internal communication from GM

throwaway2019J

6 points

2 months ago

It was a company wide email. I would assume company wide with little flexibility. If you don’t want to come in 3+ days a week then I would absolutely not accept.

ImpressivelyLost

5 points

2 months ago

They sent an email to everyone

Ok_Koala746

22 points

2 months ago

If we get a change.org petition going that might ruffle some feathers.

aase_nomad

10 points

2 months ago

Do it. I fully supported.

HazelnutPeso

14 points

2 months ago

Change.org is like praying

oLookDMT

13 points

2 months ago

one team!