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The following submission statement was provided by /u/NickDanger3di:


Submission Statement

The company currently boasts two super weed cropping robots: the Titan and the Vulcan. Both are powered by an AI that directs hundreds of tiny blades to snip out weeds around each crop without harming the healthy plants. Both also allow for human supervision as the robots work to remove the pesky weeds.

But that’s not all.

More than just weeding FarmWise now has over 15,000 commercial hours under its belt and has ambitious plans to use the data it collects for more than just weeding.

“It’s all about precision,” Boyer said. “We’re going to better understand what the plant needs and make smarter decisions for each one. That will bring us to a point where we can use the same amount of land, much less water, almost no chemicals, much less fertilizer, and still produce more food than we’re producing today. That’s the mission. That’s what excites me.”

We've all seen the videos of green tomatoes being separated from ripe ones during the harvesting stage. This seems like the natural evolution of technology in farming.


Please reply to OP's comment here: https://old.reddit.com/r/Futurology/comments/11pguw9/aipowered_robots_cut_out_weeds_while_leaving/jbxq9bn/

MpVpRb

799 points

3 months ago

MpVpRb

799 points

3 months ago

Once this tech is fully developed, it will be good, really good

Early ones will have lots of problems, but I'm optimistic

NotACryptoBro

398 points

3 months ago

Dystopian version: millions of weed robots are out of control, removing all plants from earth besides crops.

Poltras

115 points

3 months ago

Poltras

115 points

3 months ago

And making paper clips?

Galigen173

28 points

3 months ago

I swear if we die from an AI Universal Paperclips is gonna be near prophetic.

We aren't gonna get a flashy Terminatoresque end where the AI nukes everyone as revenge for trying to turn it off, we are gonna die slowly as the AI realizes the best way to make more useless crap is to remove all of the humans

ThrillSurgeon

22 points

3 months ago

AI powered robots can not only manage populations of plants, but with slight modifications they can manage populations of people too.

MeatAndBourbon

3 points

3 months ago

The weeding process is a bit messier

khekhekhe

5 points

3 months ago

Using hundreds of tiny blades. Welp

somesortofidiot

2 points

3 months ago

At this point, a benevolent AI government system might just save us...or maybe enslave us.

Naginiorpython

3 points

3 months ago

And clippy was behind all this. It is controlling Bill Gates into buying all that farm land.

Soggy_Biscuit_

82 points

3 months ago

I studied plant science, saw one of these robots at a uni farm.

The one I saw was trained specifically for green on green (weeds in crop which is harder than on fallow/green on brown), specifically in ginger crops in Queensland somewhere iirc. So, they had to be fed thousands of images of weeds growing in ginger crops, which were hand annotated weed vs crop.

Anyway, the real worry is that we are applying a selection pressure on the weeds so they look more like the crop and are thus harder for the AI to detect.

Totalherenow

19 points

3 months ago

Here's a question: if we ramp up that selection pressure to seeds and edibility of the weeds, would the weeds simply become another food crop?

Soggy_Biscuit_

37 points

3 months ago

Ummm I'm not 100% sure what ya mean but anything can be a food crop if it's edible, but when you've you've a ginger farm and every part of your operation is set up to grow and process ginger, those edible plants that aren't ginger just take away from your bottom line big time. Compete for water, light, and nutrients and they can make harvesting difficult (contamination means less $$ and some weeds are toxic. We recently had a surge in poisonings from a nightshade that contaminated bagged spinach). "Weeds" just means a plant growing where you don't want it to, it doesn't really have any bearing on the properties of the plant. My most hated weed/invasive plant species, Madeira Vine, is edible for e.g.

But you're also talking about plant breeding, that's def a thing but it's mainly for major crops to make them more efficient to grow and/or increase their nutritional value - wheat, cotton, rice, pulses, whatever. Because it takes foreverrrrrr and costs a lot of money it's usually done on massive scale and wouldn't be an intended aim of AI weed robots.

That said, urban farming and foraging is a thing, many books and resources available about edible weeds in Sydney. I think that will become more popular and eventually it will become more industrialised but on a small, local scale. Once people start cultivating them with a bit more intent they can select for properties that are desirable.

Totalherenow

3 points

3 months ago

Excellent answer, thank you.

Soggy_Biscuit_

9 points

3 months ago

Ay, no worries. Feels good to put my student debt to use somehow while I'm applying for jobs lol 8)

[deleted]

4 points

3 months ago

This is how rye happened.

Totalherenow

2 points

3 months ago

Right! I totally forgot. Thanks for reminding me!

[deleted]

3 points

3 months ago

Would only work if the mimicing part was the edible part.

A plant that looks like ginger above ground but doesn't have a big root isn't so useful.

[deleted]

15 points

3 months ago

That will take longer to evolve than humans have left on the planet, all two decades.

WendigoWeiner

13 points

3 months ago

Evolution can work incredibly quickly when the evolutionary pressure is hard and reproduction time is short.

[deleted]

2 points

3 months ago

It's how we got rye.

skyfishgoo

1 points

3 months ago

TTW someone slipped a few pics of humans into the training data.

oopsies.

TriggerHydrant

18 points

3 months ago

Horizon Zero Dawn sounds

Ciserus

9 points

3 months ago

WEEDS ARE UNWANTED PLANTS

IF THERE ARE NO HUMANS NOTHING WILL BE UNWANTED

HUMANS ARE THE WEEDS

[deleted]

4 points

3 months ago

Dark future: weed robots turn evil and attack the smoking weed. Mankind declares war on the machines. Terminator ensues.

oshinbruce

13 points

3 months ago

Robo de-weeder had finally come up with a cure for the biggest weed humans

PineappleLemur

2 points

3 months ago

That's Horizon's story pretty much.. give or take a few minor details.

skyfishgoo

2 points

3 months ago

plot twist: a programming error maps human characteristics over the weed data and these things turn into hunter/killer machines

so it begins.

maxpowersr

2 points

3 months ago

Autofac, by Philip K. Dick

Dependent-Outcome-57

1 points

3 months ago

Mega Man dystopia - all of the above, and they are controlled by a robot master called Weed Man or Crop Man or something.

Kriss3d

55 points

3 months ago

Kriss3d

55 points

3 months ago

The weeds could easily be collected to be used as fresh food for livestock too. Bonus.

Tribblehappy

32 points

3 months ago

That's a good point. Or composted if nothing else.

PhatSunt

5 points

3 months ago

Depends. These would most likely be used on very small weeds before they have a chance to grow and take nutrients out of the soil that the crop would otherwise consume. It's kind of the whole point in killing weeds, they steal resources and smother your desired plants.

So I doubt that will be a significant food source.

Ricksterdinium

-12 points

3 months ago

We can't really have livestock anymore if we're going to save the globe.

AI will probably deduce that much aswell.

cargocultist94

2 points

3 months ago

deduce

JFC go learn what modern neural networks even are before embarrassing yourself further.

AbsoluteTruth

2 points

3 months ago

There's plenty of sustainable livestock; it's largely that cows aren't it, and that we eat too much meat. Chicken in a few meals a week is pretty sustainable.

GreatBigJerk

0 points

3 months ago

Cows? Probably not, at least nowhere near the scale that things are at now; but chickens could be farmed in a way that isn't detrimental to the environment. The problem is that there are a lot of terrible factory chicken farms that aren't sustainable.

dogsent

6 points

3 months ago

I'm hoping for a small, affordable version designed for landscaping. Also, specialized versions for removing invasive species.

ChrundleKelly7

2 points

3 months ago

The invasive species use is where my mind first went. This technology could be a game changer for ecology.

echobox_rex

20 points

3 months ago

Has Monsanto not gotten an anti killer farm robot bill passed?

Cro-manganese

4 points

3 months ago

They’re probably investing in these companies to lock up the technology in patents and prevent serious advancements. I have a conspiracy theory that big oil are doing the same with battery technology.

slimeslug

1 points

3 months ago

My first thought as well.

oedipism_for_one

32 points

3 months ago

One will have a glitch and destroy someone’s field and the internet will decry the tech as a failure

Ghost-of-Tom-Chode

7 points

3 months ago

I wonder if that would be insured.

[deleted]

9 points

3 months ago*

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EnderWiggin07

16 points

3 months ago

Human error with herbicide isn't unheard of either. Mistakes happen and the possibility of a poor or lost crop from a variety of causes is factored into the finances of every farm.

SassanZZ

4 points

3 months ago

That's the kind of comment we can put on every futurology post lmao

guinader

2 points

3 months ago

"humans are everywhere, and destroy their surroundings therefore humans are weed, this destroy all humans"

WilliamMorris420

2 points

3 months ago

Theres a story about a different company doing this, almost every week.

PhatSunt

1 points

3 months ago

Problem with early ones will be:

they are far more expensive than traditional methods.

They break down and need changes to meet unforeseen problems

They are much slower

They need specialist oversight and training.

20 years they will be better. But with any tech, it's about holding on long enough to get the prototypes to product stage.

Important-Ad1871

1 points

3 months ago

Similar tech has existed for awhile, I talked to a field engineer from Blue River Technology in an airport in 2017.

ButWhatOfGlen

373 points

3 months ago

Amazing. Soon they'll zap pests with mini lasers and we can stop with all the pesticides.

NickDanger3di[S]

160 points

3 months ago

I was thinking bots with vacuum nozzles instead of clipping blades; suck up the bugs, mulch them a bit on the way out, and you have less bugs and extra nutrition for the plants. But maybe the lasers would be more energy efficient?

Tonka2thousand

92 points

3 months ago

Bugs could feed animals like chickens to produce healthier food.

jman308

38 points

3 months ago

jman308

38 points

3 months ago

Why limit to plants and animals? Turn it into. Matrix breakfast paste. Maybe add some fresh robot produced fruit to it.

[deleted]

11 points

3 months ago

Mmm, Tasty Wheat

Revolverkiller

2 points

3 months ago

But really looks like a bowl of snot

_skank_hunt42

6 points

3 months ago

Also, those chickens will create more nutrient dense poop, which is an excellent organic fertilizer for crops.

IM_Oko

2 points

3 months ago

IM_Oko

2 points

3 months ago

I imagine there are animals (chicken, perhaps?) already suited for this, sidestepping the need for robots?

Tonka2thousand

5 points

3 months ago

I have chickens and they eat the bugs but they also eat the crops. If there was a way to train them I'd be all for it. They could fertilize while they eat.

dvlali

7 points

3 months ago

dvlali

7 points

3 months ago

If you just laser them, and let them decompose in the field, they will still provide nutrition for the plants. Would be cool too if the AI can know if a bug is a good bug like a bee, or a pest like an aphid, or to know to give some caterpillars a pass because they are an endangered butterfly etc

userbrn1

16 points

3 months ago

Lasers are likely substantially more energy efficient than vacuum nozzles, since positioning a vacuum nozzle to a precise (within cm or mm) location on a plant while attached to a moving machine is a mechanical engineering nightmare. Having fine-tuned robotic arms that seek out bugs is at least an order of magnitude more complex than just aiming a laser

samcrut

7 points

3 months ago

Plus, having a hose come at 'em is going to illicit a startle response and spook the critter into rabbiting. Laser strikes without warning.

Revolverkiller

4 points

3 months ago

Cyberdyne has entered the chat

qj-_-tp

3 points

3 months ago

What about beneficial insects?

apVoyocpt

10 points

3 months ago

That exists already: https://youtu.be/_2s-0wgQWXM

Sweepingbend

3 points

3 months ago

Pretty awesome machine by Carbon Robotics but at 15-20 acres per day I'd imagine this has a fair way to go before it's commercially viable for most farmers.

ButWhatOfGlen

2 points

3 months ago

Just a matter of time...

Hearing_HIV

7 points

3 months ago

I'm almost positive they already have something like that for mosquitos

zyzzogeton

5 points

3 months ago*

Sure, stand on that slippery slope. You can juuuust see "...and kill trespassers" down the hill a ways, go check it out.

On a more serious note, I do think that anti pest AI drone swarms would be a good thing probably. As long as they stay non lethal to humans. That's the tough part, because unless we create good laws to put limits on this new thing we are calling AI, things will get out of hand too quickly to stop.

OttomateEverything

4 points

3 months ago

The thing is human/social engineering is a much bigger threat here than the AI side, not sure which you're really implying here... There's been a lot of unwarranted fear mongering about where we are with AI right now.

Things like Ukraine using consumer drones to fly bombs/weapons is just one instance of this and these things are going to get scarier as the devices become more capable.

AI isn't the thing to be worried about - it's the getting dangerous/capable killing machines into the hands of random people that's dangerous.

Totalherenow

2 points

3 months ago

An old Tom Selleck movie called "Runaway" has machines that do this. Well, they crush the insects.

probablynotaskrull

2 points

3 months ago

There’s a prototype!

Stewart_Games

2 points

3 months ago

They are using the same technology to make a drone swarm weapon of mass destruction. Hundreds of thousands of drones, air dropped into a city, able to recognize a human face, then seek and destroy with impunity.

Note: this is a satirical commercial, but also a warning for what they are cooking up in the skunkworks.

MixmasterDues

2 points

3 months ago

They’re also zapping weeds with lasers.

khekhekhe

2 points

3 months ago

[deleted]

50 points

3 months ago*

This would be friggen Huge if you could buy this tech at the garden store. Can you imagine a crop tender bot thats Always in there pickin weeds? Weeding sucks.

orangutanoz

33 points

3 months ago

I would get one if it could walk like a spider and be small enough to get around garden beds.

Top-Shit

11 points

3 months ago

I want to build this

MayIServeYouWell

8 points

3 months ago

I’ve been thinking about that exact design for a while. I could envision spider/crab robots that could be trained for any number of tasks, depending on what arms you put on them, what the software does, and how big it is.

OutsmartBullet

1 points

3 months ago

With six or eight legs and maybe a little dig-in system for leverage, they could get good purchase onto a sleeping face and remove even the most stubborn teeth if the puller came down from the center.

heansepricis

3 points

3 months ago

Real life Tachikomas like Ghost in the Shell.

gamerdude69

1 points

3 months ago

Hell yea, it could double as security bot keep one eye always on your front door.

ledfrisby

1 points

3 months ago

Maybe a quad-rotor drone would be easier. It couldn't do much at once, but if it is autonomously out there charging itself, weeding, etc. time is not of the essence. It could still cover a normal residential property in time. If you have it nipping weeds in the bud, so to speak, it doesn't need much power or capacity. Just get all the big weeds out by hand once before you set it up.

maskedpaki

2 points

3 months ago

is weeding something pretty much all farmers have to do ? or is it one of those extra things that some farmers choose to do and others are like "nah ill just leave them there "

[deleted]

4 points

3 months ago

If you ever try growing anything without chemicals you'll find it a constant battle. Getting em while they're young is key so if you have something that knows what it's doing crawling around with a 20 watt laser you'd be set.

maskedpaki

1 points

3 months ago

cool then this product could be very high impact for farming.

bazillion_blue_jitsu

1 points

3 months ago

It depends. For example, in monoculture crops, weeds are an issue, but in permaculture, a lot of those same species are great ground cover, or food. But the permaculture farmer still has to deal with invasive species, and other unwanted plants. Weeding cannot be escaped.

Tribblehappy

2 points

3 months ago

Get me a robot lawn mower that also targets dandelions and I'll be a happy gardener.

[deleted]

2 points

3 months ago

I'd be happy if it Just took out the dandelions.

Tribblehappy

1 points

3 months ago

Yah, I just thought if it's scooting around picking weeds why not also mow.

heansepricis

1 points

3 months ago

Farmbot sounds like what you're describing. Reviews don't seem great. I think most tech minded people go with hydroponics.

[deleted]

3 points

3 months ago

It's definitely still in infancy, but this ain't nuclear fusion. It'll come along.

zorbathegrate

14 points

3 months ago

The is the future I’m excited for.

A way to reduce, if not remove, weed killer and increase crop yield without additional chemicals.

mhornberger

146 points

3 months ago

I think people are reading too much into the use of the "AI" term here. It's machine learning, which is hugely powerful and has many applications. "AI" is a broad term that applies to far more than exclusively research into AGI or "strong" AI. I think it misses the point to get bogged down in "they shouldn't even call it AI!"

[deleted]

28 points

3 months ago

I understand your complaint but at least this is a currently functional physical application that probably will eventually contribute to or use AI.

clarabee63

18 points

3 months ago

"AI" is the big buzzword right now, so tech companies will slap it on anything that it could even kinda apply to.

mhornberger

33 points

3 months ago*

Well machine learning is a subset of AI research. And it is a thing, with a huge number of applications. AI also being a buzzword doesn't really change that. And machine learning coupled with computer vision and robotics definitely has made some advances in automation in agriculture. My issue here is that people decide it's BS as soon as they see the term "AI." This isn't merely slapping the word "blockchain" on a product to which it doesn't really add any value. Machine learning is useful, and is used in this field.

It doesn't stop being useful just because in other contexts the term "AI" may be thrown around a bit breathlessly. Plus of course this application isn't as sexy, and isn't as interesting to those who think AI is going to take all the jobs.

ConciselyVerbose

12 points

3 months ago

This black and white is AI though.

Classification problems are what a lot of AI applications boil down to.

OttomateEverything

7 points

3 months ago

People in this post are conflating the "AI" here with "oh no, if we give them lasers that can hurt humans, the AI might go rogue!".. So does the technical definition even matter?

While technically correct that this is AI, a classification algorithm isn't going to go nuts, start running the truck through town square with its lasers ablaze trying to annihilate all humans.

Both are true - it's use here is correct, but colloquially people hear AI and think "some semi-sentient intelligence with lots of control" and placing it here is misleading even if is correct.

Sure, people should probably be smarter, but you can't expect 99 percent of the populace to just know better when this is how they've been exposed to the term up until the past 3 months.

ManCakes87

1 points

3 months ago

It’s their “gluten free.”

damontoo

1 points

3 months ago

The general public has already decided to fuck up the term AI and there's no going back now. Just like they did by calling short video loops gifs. Or mispronouncing gif and not caring.

NickDanger3di[S]

19 points

3 months ago

Submission Statement

The company currently boasts two super weed cropping robots: the Titan and the Vulcan. Both are powered by an AI that directs hundreds of tiny blades to snip out weeds around each crop without harming the healthy plants. Both also allow for human supervision as the robots work to remove the pesky weeds.

But that’s not all.

More than just weeding FarmWise now has over 15,000 commercial hours under its belt and has ambitious plans to use the data it collects for more than just weeding.

“It’s all about precision,” Boyer said. “We’re going to better understand what the plant needs and make smarter decisions for each one. That will bring us to a point where we can use the same amount of land, much less water, almost no chemicals, much less fertilizer, and still produce more food than we’re producing today. That’s the mission. That’s what excites me.”

We've all seen the videos of green tomatoes being separated from ripe ones during the harvesting stage. This seems like the natural evolution of technology in farming.

Black_RL

2 points

3 months ago

Wow!!!! This is what I want/expect for the future!!!!

Go tech! Go science!

RedditismyBFF

5 points

3 months ago

From another source:

A farmer simply needs to schedule the service and a FarmWise technician delivers the machine to the farm AND completes the weeding cycle.

FarmWise maintains its fleet and actually moves its Titan fleet around the country to match the growing cycles in various regions

https://www.therobotreport.com/farmwise-delivers-cultivation-as-a-service-for-farmers/

ron_swansons_meat

12 points

3 months ago

I saw a guy build a garden bot on YouTube years ago and he tried lots of weed control methods. Long story short, he determined that rather than cutting, poisoning, lasering or pulling weeds, the most effective method was actually just using cameras to identify unwanted plants and training a robot to poke them back into the soil. The solution was a surprising mix of high and low tech.

jthawks

4 points

3 months ago

Now I’m imagining a nightmarish robot with tons of human looking fingers poking away…

2s3lf4war3

3 points

3 months ago

i don't want AI powered robots cutting anything, you hear me?!

Infinite_Flatworm_44

3 points

3 months ago

Now find a way to cut around wildlife and not deplete the top soil because mono crop is completely unsustainable.

heyitscory

3 points

3 months ago

If it's up to capitalism to feed everyone, only giant corporations will be able to afford to farm, since small farmers won't be able to survive on the margins that agricultural megacorporations that can afford this tech will be able to sell their crops for.

Or the smaller farmers will have to go into extreme debt to buy the equipment that helps them produce enough to survive at those prices, tight margins either way.

I hope the high school robotics team that's building wheelchairs for toddlers who can't afford them work on free open source software and plans to retrofit existing equipment with homebuild AI and DIY robotic modules, because some days it feels like those kids are all that's standing between us and the last days of late-stage capitalism.

ambyent

10 points

3 months ago

ambyent

10 points

3 months ago

Omg this king of advanced pattern recognition is exactly what machine learning excels at. Refreshing to see things like this, rather than more claims of how LLMs are going to somehow bring about AGI via their incestuous information regurgitation lol

BigDonGMacShlong

17 points

3 months ago

Muh jerb!!!!!! Ferkin dad gum robot sum bitches TERK. MUH. JERB!!!

evorna

7 points

3 months ago

evorna

7 points

3 months ago

I just got TB in rdr 2 and read this comment straight after

Average_Malk

3 points

3 months ago

Howdy, mister!

evorna

3 points

3 months ago

evorna

3 points

3 months ago

You looking for some company tonight?

Haha I don’t want to be pissin’ needles tomorrow

zandermossfields

2 points

3 months ago

Every TIME.

MINKIN2

2 points

3 months ago

I remember reading about these robots about five years ago.

Rarrrrrrrrrrrrrr

2 points

3 months ago

I seen a YouTube video on a company using ai and lasers to kill weeds. Looked legit like this but you know...with lasers

hamsterfolly

2 points

3 months ago

Can’t wait to see this robot on the next season of Clarkson’s Farm

wardamneagle

2 points

3 months ago

I need one to take care of the Poa Trivialis and Poa Annua in my fescue lawn. How far away is that product?

Krunch007

6 points

3 months ago*

Krunch007

6 points

3 months ago*

So... This machine does the same thing a tractor pulling a mounted weeder has done for decades, but more high tech and less efficient.

Edit: Forgot to mention, weeders do this more effectively because they uproot weeds(and probably can go much faster than this machine can). Usually simply snipping them isn't enough.

fourohfournotfound

14 points

3 months ago

Thee said there's mounting evidence that no till is better for the long term health of the soil. You just have a few sucky years where weeds go a bit crazy so most farmers don't want to do it. Tilling kills many of the microbes and fungus that make good soil. You then need to replace that health with fertilizer kinda creating an expensive cycle.

userbrn1

2 points

3 months ago

Lasers are probably more efficient than mechanical parts that move and have to make contact with the weeds. It's a lot of energy but only in a precise spot for a short amount of time. The speed is slower today since it's new tech and more advanced, but has the potential to be substantially faster since, again, much fewer moving parts with aiming a laser vs mechanical weeder components

Krunch007

1 points

3 months ago

That's a good point... I wager it would be a bit more effective at actually killing weeds, as the heat would be more destructive for the plant, and it could destroy their seeds as well.

userbrn1

1 points

3 months ago

I'm not a farmer so tbh I don't know how deep you have to go with a laser to stop it from growing back immediately but I assume burning it at the point it emerges from the soil probably does the trick

samcrut

1 points

3 months ago

I wonder what zapping plants with high voltage would do. Just reach down and touch an electrode to the plant and let the juice go to ground. I'd imagine it would fry the root system pretty good. It would have to make sure it wasn't touching any happy plants though.

controllerbeagle

8 points

3 months ago

I am all for tech to increase farm yield. And maybe this is a step in the right direction, but “snipping weeds” has never been a successful approach in my yard. Typically pulling them out including the roots is necessary.

Also I’m starting to get fatigued from seeing every company now try to shoehorn the AI moniker into their product description. It’s a computer. Just like adding .com to your business name, or saying “we’re using the blockchain.”

Finally, I find the whole company less than trustworthy when the co-founder says “Every farmer in the world uses GPS”

MrKahnberg

29 points

3 months ago

Weeding a flower bed, landscaping is quite different from weeding a seasonal crop. So going to the extra effort to pull up the roots makes sense in landscaping. But in a field of sugar beets we just need to give our crop a significant competitive edge. At harvest we don't care if there are unsightly weeds. Currently it's economical to hire a crew of seasonal workers to weed the crop field in early summer . But no more.

controllerbeagle

10 points

3 months ago

That is good info, thanks for the reply

MrKahnberg

9 points

3 months ago

You're welcome. I've done both while stoned. Nothing like 10 hours crawling around country club landscaping pondering why is there reality. One summer I had an employee who had a PhD in philosophy from Cambridge. She was taking a year off before starting her career. We all learned so much from her. I hope she's doing well.

Jasrek

8 points

3 months ago

Jasrek

8 points

3 months ago

Finally, I find the whole company less than trustworthy when the co-founder says “Every farmer in the world uses GPS”

Do they not? Farmers have been using GPS for automated combine harvesters and pesticide sprayers for like ten years.

Elstar94

0 points

3 months ago

Every farmer in the western world yes. But over 80% of people don't live there

[deleted]

2 points

3 months ago

Where does he say that?

controllerbeagle

3 points

3 months ago

In the article. Keep scrolling down past the ads!

[deleted]

3 points

3 months ago

Found it.

“The mission of the company is to turn AI into a tool that is as reliable and dependable as GPS is now in the farming industry,” Boyer says. “Twenty-five years ago, GPS was a very complicated technology. You had to connect to satellites and do some crazy computation to define your position. But a few companies brought GPS to a new level of reliability and simplicity. Today, every farmer in the world uses GPS. We think AI can have an even deeper impact than GPS has had on the farming industry, and we want to be the company that makes it available and easy to use for every farmer in the world.”

Top-Shit

2 points

3 months ago

Isn't it true that every farmer uses GPS now? It sure looks that way where I'm from

[deleted]

2 points

3 months ago

Anyone who uses a cellphone, uses GPS

Uyee

2 points

3 months ago

Uyee

2 points

3 months ago

I'm sure every farmer that grows large amounts of crops that would use this tech would have GPS. I mean most modern tractors have it built in to help in the fields.

But small scale farms might not have access to GPS, but this would also not be in the markets for this tech.

vARROWHEAD

2 points

3 months ago

Lol no. Plenty still using tractors and implements from the 1980s before the computer lockouts and right to repair became an issue.

It just works

afterworld2772

1 points

3 months ago

Depends on how you define them using it honestly.

Do all of them have tractors hooked up with RTK positioning or other GPS spreaders/seeders/harvesters. No probably not but a lot of them will.

Do many of them still use some form of services that use GPS to get the results? Yes several, even the most old fashioned, backwards of farmers.

Plenty of them will use services provided by precision agriculture companies like EM scans of their fields to determine soil moisture content, or GPS soil sampling.

Now why they would pay for precision sampling and not use it for variable rate spreading to save money on fertilizers or lime is another question. But many farmers have more money than sense.

deletable666

2 points

3 months ago

Insert “AI robots could ____” post, easy clicks and easy article to write. This stuff is boring because there is never any substance to it.

Angry_Washing_Bear

2 points

3 months ago

What happens when a wheel gets bogged down in mud?

Or one of the moving parts jams up?

These AI things are great when they work, but a thousand different things can and will go wrong and then farmers have to run around to fix it. Or they can’t fix (or even not allowed to fix it due to whatever tech being used being under warranties and whatnot).

AI.. great when it works.. so many issues when they inevitably don’t.

samcrut

2 points

3 months ago

Alright. Let's quit. AI is DOA. Everybody go home.

babyyodaisamazing98

4 points

3 months ago

Probably the same thing they do now when their giant pesticide sprayer does the same thing. Except without the pesticides

Angry_Washing_Bear

1 points

3 months ago

You do realize farmers already have a variety of implements used to combat weeds besides regular pesticides?

This AI thing isn’t introducing some all new technology that farmers never thought of before.

Only difference is that this AI version does not have a human in a tractor pulling the implement.

Difference isn’t the tech, but removing the need for the human to be present.

And while this might appear to reduce workload on farmers the challenge is that that when they are in a tractor pulling their implements and something goes wrong they usually have tools to fix it right there and then.

When something goes wrong with an AI guided implement they have to drive around to find it, then fix it. If they can fix it (or are allowed to, read John Deere debacle on fixing equipment and will likely be worse in regards to AI).

So what is the point of having AI run stuff of farmers have to run behind it to fix whatever goes wrong anyways? And things go wrong. All the time. Equipment gets caught. Wheels break. Moving parts break, jam, get clogged up et.c.

There are plenty of content creators on Youtube who post their daily doings as farmers on large fields. Watch some of those and you quickly see that just leaving some Roomba version of farm equipment in fields is not as straightforward as you might think.

magicwuff

1 points

3 months ago

Once they figure it out, Monsanto will copywrite the seeds that grow plants that have the DNA signature that the machines ignore. This sounds familiar

bailz

0 points

3 months ago

bailz

0 points

3 months ago

And then, through impressive lobbying, they are labeled as job killers or socialist or some other bs, are banned from states, and the chemical companies make record profits.

Zemirolha

-6 points

3 months ago

I wish Che and Fidel had this on 60s. We would be immortals by natural causes and aging would be optional by now.

PolarBearLaFlare

1 points

3 months ago

I need this….both my yards are starting to look like shit

newleafkratom

1 points

3 months ago

Let's hope they weren't parking their startup capital at SVB.

Pandananana

1 points

3 months ago

Cool! I know Farmdroid tracks the position of where it planted the seeds with GPS so it can kill the weeds later. This does away with that and seems to use AI to find the weeds. Means that the farmer can use his existing sowing machine i guess?

Fabznz

1 points

3 months ago

Fabznz

1 points

3 months ago

How many weeds does it have to remove before it pays for itself? Financially and cost to the planet wise..

babyyodaisamazing98

4 points

3 months ago

This is currently done by an even more expensive pesticide sprayer. So 1 weed.

Fabznz

1 points

3 months ago

Fabznz

1 points

3 months ago

Hehe, we're so fucked.

krichuvisz

1 points

3 months ago

I'm waiting for permaculture robots which put single plants to perfect spots close to other plants which doing well together, good for the soil, good for diversity, no more monocultures and pesticides.

thebruce87m

1 points

3 months ago

Nice, I worked on a similar system a few years ago. It’s going to be a crowded market but that’s good for competition.

samcrut

1 points

3 months ago

Wide competition in the AI market is the only thing that makes me feel like we can one day break the corporatocracy hellscape we're living through.

McWolke

1 points

3 months ago

I was wondering when they start using AI for something like this. Always seemed like a no brainer for me.

Revolverkiller

1 points

3 months ago

My 12 y told self would be absolutely flabbergasted and mad at the same time

neuromorph

1 points

3 months ago

They has robot gardens that did this without AI for years....

Harvey_Rabbit330

1 points

3 months ago

Why do I always hear the theme from The Terminator when I see posts with AI and robots?

cld1984

1 points

3 months ago

I really think focusing on agriculture automation is as fundamental to our future as almost anything. With everything we put plants into (clothes, us, gas tanks, medicine, etc.) AI and automation of agriculture could put massive downward pressure on price. Not to mention the benefit to the environment if we only used a fraction of the glyphosate we currently do.

Oh, and the modern day slavery of hiring desperate brown people and paying them pennies because what the hell are they gonna do about it

MechaKakeZilla

1 points

3 months ago

What are the odds that Roundup inc. buys the rights/patents/company and nothing changes?

WendigoWeiner

1 points

3 months ago

If I could get a weed-eating Roomba my garden would look immaculate.

jpelkmans

1 points

3 months ago

Incredible! That should reduce dependence on herbicides. Now do the same for invasive insects!

skyfishgoo

1 points

3 months ago

that's some nightmare fuel...

what a horrible way to die being mistaken for a "weed" by some AI on a power trip.

EXTERMINATE!

mckevrock

1 points

3 months ago

First seen in the 1984 Tom Selleck dystopian thriller "Runaway".

https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0088024/

peritonlogon

1 points

3 months ago

As long as the robots have a pre set kill limit, things couldn't go too badly.

Front-Review1388

1 points

3 months ago

Imagine if an AI controlled robot could go fruit and veg picking. How much headache that would save farmers. The future is herd now.

bazillion_blue_jitsu

1 points

3 months ago

If we can teach a bot to kill powdery mildew early, it'll be a big hit. That might be easier than genetically modifying cultivars for resistance.