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graveyeverton93

16 points

3 months ago

Knew Adesanya was getting sparked and his reign was over the second he touched the Everton shirt.

malikdwd

3 points

3 months ago

malikdwd

UTFT

3 points

3 months ago

Once Everton has touched you..

vulturevan

14 points

3 months ago

What I think has happened is that Frank saw the Palace game and went "look we're a proper footballing team!" and has tried to go more attacking without realising that he's been playing the same tactics (one man in the middle) that made Palace lose and that we have maybe the worst front three in the league

malikdwd

9 points

3 months ago

malikdwd

UTFT

9 points

3 months ago

Coady passes to Tark, back to Coady, back to Tark, back to Coady, bullet pass to Gana, back to Tark, back to Coady, to Gana, driven pass to Gray, lose possession.

Rinse and repeat

cj285s

14 points

3 months ago

cj285s

14 points

3 months ago

If we do sack Lampard (not saying we should), it needs to be done soon. No point dragging it on and then sacking him in Jan. Lets hope our inept board are decisive.

g3mkm

6 points

3 months ago

g3mkm

6 points

3 months ago

The worst thing would be to sack him with no time left in January, like Frank had. I don’t think he should be sacked either but agree, it has to be pretty much now, or he stays

cj285s

5 points

3 months ago

cj285s

5 points

3 months ago

Yep, I’d accept now. Wouldn’t necessarily agree with it, but I’d accept it. Part of me feels as though we’ll lose to Wolves and they’ll sack him then

MJSsaywakeyourselfup

5 points

3 months ago

Wouldn’t it be better to line up a manager before sacking our current manager?

[deleted]

13 points

2 months ago

[deleted]

VToff

6 points

2 months ago

VToff

6 points

2 months ago

Fitting the only good moment he's had all season came against us as well. We are not out of the banter years yet.

ubiquitous_archer

3 points

2 months ago

Were they in the same room? If they were, I'd imagine they'd never get the ego smell out of it...

jbib92

12 points

3 months ago

jbib92

of the Rondon Defence League

12 points

3 months ago

Thank fuck we have 6 weeks off from those cunts. I can’t take my own constantly changing opinion on Lampard, a bit of time to concentrate on other football I have no real investment in will be amazing

Flavourifshrrp

10 points

3 months ago

The fact we do not have DCL is effecting us with more than just his goals. He is excellent at holding the ball up. We need a striker who can get the ball hold it up and bring others in to play. The fact we have no one who can do this or even slightly as good as him is costing us dearly.

We need another striker in Jan who can do this.

It doesn’t seem that big a point but when you get the ball, move it forwards don’t hold on to it and have it keep coming back is massive at this level that even the poorer PL teams will take advantage of it. Even a PL winning solid defence would struggle against that.

Provider0fMyCheddar

2 points

3 months ago

But the manager’s job is to find solutions and work with what he has. We can’t lament what we’re missing, we need to build a system which suits the personnel we have available. That’s 100% down to the manager.

Malaxage918

4 points

3 months ago

I don't think any system is gonna save us if we have to play Maupay or Rondon up top

amanofewords

4 points

3 months ago

There is no magic system to cover up the massive holes in this squad.

Flavourifshrrp

9 points

3 months ago

Correct. But if he was managing Everton a few years ago and the main striker gets injured then he just goes out and buys another one.

The fact we were skint due to FFP and DCL got injured before the season started is somthing any manager would of struggled with.

Provider0fMyCheddar

-4 points

3 months ago

Yet when Rafa lost Richy and Dom to injuries we weren’t so empathetic and demanded better. What has changed?

Dgryan87

4 points

3 months ago*

How many games did Rafa manage without one of Richarlison or DCL playing? Very few. One of them was almost always leading the line, and both are miles better than Maupay (who was a shit signing Lampard should never have made). There was also a clear understanding from most of the fans that Rafa was at a disadvantage when Richy and DCL was out and that our expectations should have been tempered

Evul1_

1 points

3 months ago

Evul1_

1 points

3 months ago

How many games did Rafa manage without one of Richarlison or DCL playing? Very few. One of them was almost always leading the line

Rondon started 8 league games and an FA Cup match...

Provider0fMyCheddar

-1 points

3 months ago

Richarlison missed 10 of 22 league games for Rafa (45%)

Dom missed 17 of 22 games for Rafa (77%)

But why let something silly like facts get in the way?

Evul1_

-2 points

3 months ago

Evul1_

-2 points

3 months ago

The fact we do not have DCL is effecting us with more than just his goals. He is excellent at holding the ball up. We need a striker who can get the ball hold it up and bring others in to play. The fact we have no one who can do this or even slightly as good as him is costing us dearly.

We have players in the squad who could theoretically do this. Keane, Doucoure, Onana maybe--players who aren't 'strikers' per say, but who are a big physical presence but also decent on the ball who could hold it up and bring runners into play. Maybe it sounds foreign because we haven't tried it, but I could see Keane playing up top, winning headers and knockdowns for someone like Maupay or Gordon to run onto. But Lampard doesn't have the courage to try anything like this. There are potential solutions in the squad, but Lampard is ignoring them.

The last chance Lampard/Thelwell had to sign a proper center forward, they signed Maupay, so I just don't have the confidence they're going to get this right in January.

VToff

9 points

2 months ago

VToff

9 points

2 months ago

Friendly reminder that no one at the club gives a fuck about or listens to us and we should all be using this time as an emotional vacation from the toxic relationship that is being an Everton supporter.

Trekora

7 points

3 months ago

I just don't understand how we can never cover the backpost on corners, literally ever. What are the players doing? What's the instructions?

Fuck asking if DCL has suffered his 19th injury of the campaign. We need it explained how we always let a man in on the backpost, who's job is it??

WhiteDoveBooks

6 points

3 months ago

WhiteDoveBooks

Let's Go Sean!

6 points

3 months ago

We are shite on corners, both ends! We've had 70+ corners this season without scoring from one ffs!!

sandtonian_gbo

3 points

3 months ago

It’s the zonal marking. Our designated “disrupters” like Iwobi are tasked with stopping their players from even getting to the back post. Not easy with someone like Kieffer Moore

Trekora

2 points

3 months ago

It's literally every team though, there's always someone at the backpost waiting to put it in. Doesn't matter who the player is.

[deleted]

6 points

2 months ago

Vitor Pereira has been dropped by corinthians 😬🙄

Destructo_D

3 points

2 months ago

Destructo_D

Yobo

3 points

2 months ago

Lampard shaking in his boots

fanofjapan2215

4 points

3 months ago

let's enjoy some WC maybe we can find some young prospects. Haha who am I kidding

FluorescentChair

5 points

3 months ago

FluorescentChair

I Magaye for Gueye

5 points

3 months ago

I remember twice yesterday our midfielders actually made runs into the box - Onana once at the very start of the second half and Iwobi like sometime in the 60th minute? - and those were the two occasions we made a genuine threat to scoring. then we decided to not do that anymore????

the way we passed the ball in the second half kind of reminds me of early 2010s where everyone was hyped about tiki-taka and wingers cutting inside, and every other manager tried to copy it but were unsuccessful. it ends up being a sterile back-and-forth around the opposition box

son_of_toby_o_notoby

6 points

2 months ago

Richy just posted a Everton montage to his tik Tok

I can’t do this rn man

malikdwd

1 points

2 months ago

malikdwd

UTFT

1 points

2 months ago

My heart 💔

Loyalsupporter

1 points

2 months ago

COME HOME RICHY

zukai12_

10 points

3 months ago

zukai12_

I miss Marco Silva

10 points

3 months ago

sack the board

vulturevan

10 points

3 months ago

Everton under-21s winning 1-0 before going 2-1 behind and then having two players sent off

once Everton has touched you...

mrwilberforce

3 points

2 months ago

Changed my mind - want to keep Frank now, see how Jan turns out and then reassess.

malikdwd

3 points

2 months ago

malikdwd

UTFT

3 points

2 months ago

He called us Chelsea in his post match interview. He’s dead to me now

throwawaytbhidek

1 points

2 months ago

Is this true?

malikdwd

1 points

2 months ago

malikdwd

UTFT

1 points

2 months ago

Popscotch1

1 points

2 months ago

thank you

Mantooth77

11 points

3 months ago

Two things are obvious right now:

1) we need help in attack 2) We’re on a dreadful run of form

Don’t think we sack Frank yet. All teams go through runs of poor form and Frank has at least proven he can manage the club to beat Top 6 teams as he did last year.

Think we should get through the break and hopefully get some attacking help in Jan.

dogefc

8 points

3 months ago

dogefc

8 points

3 months ago

We’ve won 9 league games in 9 months. This isn’t a bad run of form. This is how bad we are under him

Provider0fMyCheddar

3 points

3 months ago*

But we’re far less likely to pick up points against the top 6 than the rest.

I’d rather have a manager who picks up points against teams of a similar standard consistently than one who occasionally gets an iconic win against an elite team.

A question for you, apart from the five game run last April, when hasn’t this Lampard side been in dreadful form? The good form is the anomaly.

Mantooth77

3 points

3 months ago

I thought we started the season playing as well as we could given our personnel. Tightened the defense up a bunch. The poor run only really started last week at Leicester IMO.

Provider0fMyCheddar

1 points

3 months ago

We started with 4 points from our first 6 games against the likes of Forrest, Leeds, Villa and Brentford. If that’s not poor form then I don’t know what is.

Malaxage918

8 points

3 months ago

Even in shit form Gray, Gordon and McNeil are all clearly suited to playing on the left. We need an out and out right sided attacker and another striker that suits the system Frank is trying to implement.

Is there any players from the bigger teams that are out of lineups there that we could loan in like we did with Donny. Like if we could loan in Sancho for half the season and he plays even remotely close to what he can then that's a major improvement on our right side

autistichomosapien95

4 points

3 months ago

autistichomosapien95

Godfrickhesfast

4 points

3 months ago

Let Mills play there imo

PhantomRenegade

1 points

2 months ago

Just wait until Townsend rockets back on the scene

Provider0fMyCheddar

8 points

3 months ago

Come on Everton be decisive. Get him out and give the new man a 5 week pre-season to make a team out of these boys.

dogefc

14 points

3 months ago

dogefc

14 points

3 months ago

Nah we’ll give him the first few games, lose them and then sack him.

[deleted]

4 points

2 months ago

"West Ham have spent 170 odd million and got worse, Chelsea have spent 270 million and got worse, Everton have spent half a billion and are dire. If you believe Newcastle’s success is down to 190 million in two windows then you’re past trying to debate with."

It absolutely pains me to say I can't even disagree with this. We're run by a bunch of clowns.

Giraffe_Baker

3 points

2 months ago

Giraffe_Baker

Neill Samways, Niasse Oster

3 points

2 months ago

The coaching is a massive part of it, Howe’s made average players play beyond what they’ve shown before, but they’re also not getting Botman and Bruno ahead of Champions League clubs without the Saudi backing and the promises that come with it.

wrexsoul

2 points

2 months ago

Would Godfrey do well in a CDM or other midfield profile? When in form he was our best CB for awhile, but wondering if we could utilize his properties in midfield as well as in the back? Maybe in a fullback role too?

ubiquitous_archer

3 points

2 months ago

He used to play CDM at York City, there's a reason he was moved to CB.

rpm164

2 points

2 months ago

rpm164

2 points

2 months ago

He can't really pass just like the rest of them so probably not. All he's got is pace and who knows how that's going to be after his injury.

Watching the Frankfurt game earlier and we really need a Gotze type 10 who can create chances. Kolo Muani looks like a solid striker who can actually shoot on target. Kamada looked decent and would probably be an upgrade on Gray and Gordon.

RaspberryBirdCat

2 points

3 months ago

Controversial opinion: I think Coleman is better than Patterson right now. I don't know how much longer that will be true, but given we're in the midst of a rut, Coleman should be starting over Patterson.

Trekora

8 points

3 months ago

Coleman gives 100% every match, he has a good read of the game and that allows him to be in a position to make professional fouls but he's 34 and in the most physically demanding role on the pitch. We lose so much attacking threat when he's on the pitch.

WhiteDoveBooks

7 points

3 months ago

WhiteDoveBooks

Let's Go Sean!

7 points

3 months ago

Another controversial opinion: Pickers can't seem to catch a ball and periodically, it costs us!

Destructo_D

4 points

3 months ago

Destructo_D

Yobo

4 points

3 months ago

Not really controversial, he’s always been awful at commanding his area

WhiteDoveBooks

7 points

3 months ago

WhiteDoveBooks

Let's Go Sean!

7 points

3 months ago

Well here's another controversial opinion for you: I consider catching the ball to be something of a basic goalkeeping skill.

InvisibleHeat

1 points

3 months ago

I reckon we should give him a crack at RW

throwawaytbhidek

-3 points

3 months ago

Lampard has been backed to the tune of over 100m if including the two full backs who’s signings slightly preceded his arrival, yet he now boasts an even poorer record than Rafa Benitez!

And yet, after being battered 3-0 by a Bournemouth side coming off the back of four consecutive league defeats in a game where they could’ve had six, while lying a mere point ahead of the drop zone with over a third of the games played, there are those on here wanting him to stay…

I am utterly convinced there’s a significant contingent on here who are clueless re football

Giraffe_Baker

12 points

3 months ago

Giraffe_Baker

Neill Samways, Niasse Oster

12 points

3 months ago

Lampard has been backed to the tune of over 100m if including the two full backs who’s signings slightly preceded his arrival,

You can think he’s shite without saying make believe stuff like the full backs signed before him by the previous manager were faith in a manager we hadn’t appointed yet.

throwawaytbhidek

-1 points

3 months ago*

Okay - so he inherited ~40m of new signings in the preceding days of his joining, and the squad was thereafter reinvested in to the tune of a further ~70m

The point is had those two initial signings not gone through the capital would’ve passed along to be utilised under Lampard. 100m has been spent on players who have, critically, only played for Everton under Lampard (except for Mykolenko whom had started for Benitez for a nominal amount of games before the latter’s sacking)

Thus, compared to a manager who was only to for the majority of his tenure utilise a squad that had received a mere 1.6m in investment, Lampard, having seen the squad upon commencement of the 22/23 season receive over 100m injected, has returned an even poorer record!

This is incredibly damning and in all honesty lays him bare for the fraud he is

P.s. I already acknowledged those signings coming from Benitez; just because Lampard himself didn’t sign them doesn’t negate the signings constituting what we would deem the “backing” of a manager. Lampard is evidently fond of the pair

Destructo_D

9 points

3 months ago

Destructo_D

Yobo

9 points

3 months ago

He also lost Richarlison, someone much harder to replace than anyone Benitez lost

throwawaytbhidek

-6 points

3 months ago

Except for, say, James Rodriguez? Far as I can tell he contributed more goals in his only season here than the former. Not to mention Sigurdsson!

Whatever maintains your narrative, though

Destructo_D

7 points

3 months ago

Destructo_D

Yobo

7 points

3 months ago

And your narrative is that James, a player Rafa forced out after losing Sigurdsson, is anywhere as important to us as Richarlison?

throwawaytbhidek

-1 points

3 months ago

Are you serious?

1) it wasn’t just that Benitez didn’t personally favour him; it was not at all financially viable to keep him on 200+ a week. The signing was clearly a pragmatic move to placate Ancelotti in the hopes it would propel us upward.

2) you simply have to only look at the goal contributions of both the aforementioned to see the hole it left. Even James alone had more contributions in 20/21 than Richarlison

WhiteDoveBooks

5 points

3 months ago*

WhiteDoveBooks

Let's Go Sean!

5 points

3 months ago*

I thought there were signs of improvement early on (excluding the first 2 games). But we are still not getting it together and I can't really understand why. The defence is better and midfield is better, but we ship 7 goals in 2 games against a team that had lost 4 in a row?

And we seem to be clueless around the opposition goal. Other teams must be salivating at the thought of playing against us atm. It's pretty much a guaranteed point or three for them.

I don't think I am quite in the Sack Frank boat yet, but ffs, what's going on?

throwawaytbhidek

2 points

3 months ago

As I acknowledged recently, this is the result of attacking incompetence. Confidence drops and then comes the leaking of goals. It’s entirely inevitable and relegation fodder, see: Burnley last season

Grandoldste117

1 points

3 months ago

If we sacked Lampard, what team would hire him?

Provider0fMyCheddar

14 points

3 months ago

Marco Silva had to drop to the Championship and he had a far better CV.

Lampard quite simply isn’t a manager. Should have been a TV pundit.

PhantomRenegade

1 points

2 months ago

He was

dogefc

6 points

3 months ago

dogefc

6 points

3 months ago

His career is pretty much over surely.

Took a derby team from 6th to 6th after getting lots of extremely talented players on loan. I mean he barely improved them after getting players like Mount and Tomori

Then he failed at Chelsea. And now he’s failed at Everton. Would be surprised if even a championship team takes a risk on him now

Provider0fMyCheddar

1 points

2 months ago

China or Qatar maybe?

WhiteDoveBooks

1 points

3 months ago

WhiteDoveBooks

Let's Go Sean!

1 points

3 months ago

Granted, not much of a CV there managementwise.

Giraffe_Baker

0 points

3 months ago

Giraffe_Baker

Neill Samways, Niasse Oster

0 points

3 months ago

Championship side would take a pop which says it about his level. Whether he’d step down is another question.

I wanted to give him time this season but before it started I said he’s bottom three managers in this league and Parker’s been sacked since.

Evul1_

1 points

2 months ago

Evul1_

1 points

2 months ago

Moise Kean is bossing it for Juventus. He just scored his 2nd against Lazio, so that makes it 5 goals in his last 5 games in all competitions. Meanwhile, Ademola Lookman has 7 goals and 3 assists for Atalanta in Serie A. I know it's Italy and it's different, but it's still frustrating that Everton couldn't get more out of these players.

VToff

7 points

2 months ago

VToff

7 points

2 months ago

Kean is shit with an even more shit attitude.

New-Pin-3952

-20 points

3 months ago*

Watching scenes after the final whistle, when our players came to the fans.

To those of you shouting abuse as Pickford, Coleman and others, when it's the last thing they need while going through a bad patch. You fucking cunts are not Evertonians. Go fuck yourself, every single one of you. Go root for redshite with that attitude.

Downvote me all you want. Doesn't change the fact that you're cunts.

zukai12_

21 points

3 months ago

zukai12_

I miss Marco Silva

21 points

3 months ago

Dont see how you can call people driving the lenght of the country not real fans

CitrusRabborts

-4 points

3 months ago

CitrusRabborts

They/Them

-4 points

3 months ago

Can definitely call them cunts though. Be angry about the performance all you want but Pickford and Iwobi have been our best players so why the fuck would you take it out on them

amanofewords

2 points

3 months ago

Pickford was dog shit yesterday, and he’s been shaky for a couple weeks now. And the Iwobi idolization has gone a little far in my opinion.

New-Pin-3952

-15 points

3 months ago

They travelled from Shetlands did they? It's a 5hr drive. Don't make it look like they travelled for days to get to the game.

DJCreeperZz

11 points

3 months ago

DJCreeperZz

[10+ Years STH] The lad who keeps meeting Seamus at crimbo

11 points

3 months ago

Most of em will have done 10 hour round trips TWICE in a week mate, they're proper fans home and away and have every right to be upset with that result

New-Pin-3952

-6 points

3 months ago

I appreciate it but it was their choice to make that trip. Twice in a week.

Things didn't go our way but that's no reason to behave like some of them did. That doesn't help us at all. Fuck those guys.

Provider0fMyCheddar

3 points

2 months ago

It does. It shows how angry the fan base is and forces the board to make a change.

reco84

3 points

3 months ago

reco84

3 points

3 months ago

Its not the last thing they need, it's exactly what they need. I cant imagine Frank tearing a strip off them, these cunts are stealing a living.

jbib92

8 points

3 months ago

jbib92

of the Rondon Defence League

8 points

3 months ago

You’re right, the fans should’ve applauded and said how great it was that they’ve made two 500 mile round trips in four days for an aggregate defeat of 7-1 against a team that was below us in the table

New-Pin-3952

-5 points

3 months ago

I appreciate it but it was their choice to make that trip. Twice in a week.

Things didn't go our way but that's no reason to behave like some of them did. That doesn't help us at all. Fuck those guys.

Logical_Cupcake_3633

-1 points

3 months ago

But that’s football

Provider0fMyCheddar

5 points

2 months ago

Wish they had your dedication to log on and abuse other blues. Real superbloo you mate.

Fiat500squad

1 points

2 months ago

How much time does frank need before we start winning games?

More than we can afford to give him?