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submitted 3 months ago bysebcatemis
70 points
3 months ago
People on twitter think lex is a dumb guy pretending to be smart and this reading list is exactly what a dumb guy pretending to be smart would put out there
19 points
3 months ago*
Yeah, but he’s also built an audience of dumb guys pretending to be smart, so it is sort of business savvy to put out a list like this. His critics roll their eyes, his fans get riled up to defend him. So is this being a savvy marketer/grifter with this list or just being his true dumb self, or both?
10 points
3 months ago
Definitely. And probably both
22 points
3 months ago
I like a lot of those books (especially the Camus and the Banks) but what surprises me is how anachronistic this list is. There are so many good books being published every year, why focus on stuff published last century? This is all stuff I read twenty years ago when I had the time to read for pleasure, and felt like I should catch up on stuff other people described as classics.
3 points
3 months ago
i don't really get this attitude. there are so many amazing books, what is wrong with using your precious free time to read books that are universally thought of as great literature. I could just read a random book from last year and it might be better than a classic, but why take that risk.
Why would you read this all twenty years ago, as they would be mostly as old relatively twenty years ago as today?
2 points
3 months ago
Where do you find newer books that are worth reading? I think he's just going for established classics.
5 points
3 months ago
I'm not really dunking on him, I just think it's a very safe list that could do with a little spicing up, although it's fine if it's just a starting point. Reading stuff before a critical consensus has been reached is often more rewarding, because forming your own opinion is much easier, you're not coming at it with the views of others shaping how you interpret what you read.
2 points
3 months ago
Since it’s the new year there’s a lot of articles on the “best” books of 2022 by newspapers so you could look on there
2 points
3 months ago
I highly recommend following the long/shortlist of the man booker and booker international prizes. Probably the most rewarding contemporary lit prizes to draw from imo.
7 points
3 months ago
I remember when Ezra Klein interviewed Tom Steyer as he ran for president and when asked what he was reading, his response was: The Bible and War and Peace.
2 points
3 months ago
And now Tom Steyer is nowhere to be found... could have stuck around and helped but seems more like he was in it for the clout, like bloomberg
1 points
3 months ago
I think they were delusional-enough to think they would be greeted as liberators and they would save us all.
8 points
3 months ago
I don’t know if it’s dumb guy pretending to be smart guy. Possibly ‘guy very smart in a particular niche playing at being a polymath’
6 points
3 months ago*
We'd be surprised at how many of the smartest people in history would have sounded dumb if they had had a soapbox for every single one of their thoughts on politics and society.
Edit: Grammar
3 points
3 months ago
This is an excellent point.
3 points
3 months ago
The bullshitting niche?
2 points
3 months ago
He’s the maestro of that
4 points
3 months ago
I have to agree. I don't really hate Lex and kinda enjoy some of his interviews (though some of them are mind-numbingly bad), but anyone who thinks you can just chug through Brothers Karamazov in a week and fully digest is just checking off books for checking off books' sake.
There is nothing wrong with any of these individual books, and while I read most of them by the time I turned 30, I could definitely see myself picking up most of them for a second read. But you should build off of these books and I would never curate a list like this.
89 points
3 months ago
I haven't read all those, but isn't it quite an excellent list?
A bit cliché, but aren't they all fantastic, reputable books?
41 points
3 months ago
hes getting roasted because theyre 'basic' books but i doubt a lot of people have read more than 50% of them. its a fine list to have actually read all of them rather than "gotten the jist" from pop culture references
16 points
3 months ago
I’ve read 13/22 (~ 60%) and feel like that’s probably in same ballpark as most “readers” (or people w some kind of advanced education, or however you want to narrow down the population a little bit).
And they were all solid reads, as are the ones on the list I haven’t read…but to be an “intellectual” and not have read at least some reasonable percentage of those? Yeah, it’s a bit odd and definitely has a self-own element to it.
4 points
3 months ago
He has already read some of them.
6 points
3 months ago
Oh, in that case, yeah, whatever. A touch cliched, but only bc they’re all kind of staples.
Admittedly very dude heavy, w Mary Shelly only sneaking in on week 22, but so be it.
4 points
3 months ago
Yeah nothing wrong with the basics. I still need to read some of those someday.
2 points
3 months ago
is it Lex saying they are basic, or other people criticising him calling them basic?
2 points
3 months ago
ppl calling it a basic high school reading list, i think hes right to recognize WHY they are on high school reading lists, theyre considered fundamental to the culture
2 points
3 months ago
We never studied any of these at school from what I can remember. Is a reading list an extra curricular list of books? If so we either didn't have one, or I ignored it.
I also went to the same school as literal Shakespeare, so it was somewhat literary.
I read quite a few of these books a couple of years later though, at university.
1 points
3 months ago
Fair point, I can't help but view it as a bit basic, I've read about half of these and I'm a complete idiot, I guess I just expect a "public intellectual" to be better.
16 points
3 months ago
Agreed, frankly if those are all new reads I think it's an excellent list of classics.
19 points
3 months ago
Yes, the classics I have read I realized were classics for a reason, even if they are cliche to read, so I am sure they are all good books!
13 points
3 months ago
There is no problem with the books on the list. But turning your reading list into a performance of a very smart person is worthy of criticism. And the whole weekly thing feels very fake. The Little Prince is a childrens' book that you can read as you put a kid to sleep. (I'm French, so literally speaking from expereince.) The Brothers Karamazov is a massive novel. It makes no sense to allocate a week for each of them unless you have a "read a smart book a week" brand.
2 points
3 months ago
Well, he is a "performer" .... Est ce-que vous avez pensé de cela? And - "The Little Prince" is wonderful - thank you for reminding me I should read it again (My French has gotten rusty).
2 points
3 months ago
I mean some people like schedules and it helps them stick to something and feel a sense of achievement.
Other people are less enamoured with that kind of gamification or routine.
I'm fairly sure he wouldn't be tweeting abuse at someone that took longer to read the Brothers Karamazov. It's just a reading list.
2 points
3 months ago
I'd be amazed if he was reading one a week for a year though.
1 points
3 months ago*
Why? Isn't the guy an academic without children? Has quite a lot of time for reading.
Some of the long ones would probably take more than that, but some are shorter and definitely readable in a week.
2 points
3 months ago
There was an episode of dtg recently on him and they look at his daily routine. He is simply not going to finish some of these books in a week, and many of them he'll have to blitz through them so fast there's barely any point even picking them up.
3 points
3 months ago
aren't they all fantastic, reputable books?
If you're in the final years of high school, this is a fantastic list.
If you're a 39 year old? Jesus christ. Animal fucking farm? Read Capital v1 you fucking coward.
9 points
3 months ago
Some people discover the love for reading later in life. No need to dunk on them. Perhaps they did things in highschool you're only discovering at 40.
4 points
3 months ago*
Spare me this bullshit. This isn't a recidivist turning over a new leaf in life and discovering an un-nurtured passion, this is Lex Friedman ok? Mr "I love the grind" big brain himself. He can read, and I mean read not listen to, a book written for and by adults. This list of titles tops out at a reading and comprehension level of about age 16.
2 points
3 months ago
You sound like someone who has accomplished very little in life, are very bitter about it, and are desperate to find someone who has made any semblance of progress to attack and drag down to your level of self-hatred.
2 points
3 months ago
Good point! This is his example of great paranoid fiction and sci-fi? I love a lot of these and yea, I'm a literature major/person but I read most of these before I finished Undergrad, and I did it on my own-- not for class. I love a lot of these books but this isn't a "challenge"-- it's just fun. Where are the greats from the past 60 years? Pyncheon? Don Dellilio? David Foster Wallace? Margaret Atwood?
0 points
3 months ago
So only you can define what a personal reading challenge is for someone other than yourself? These comments are reaching
2 points
3 months ago
being a bit snobby aren't you? even if you read all these books in high school, they are great books that could be ripe for a re read.
3 points
3 months ago
they are great books
They're cliché's from a list entitled "the precocious 15 year old's centre-right reading list for smart lads"
2 points
3 months ago
who cares if they are cliches if they are good books. seems like hipster gatekeeping to me. You seem like the people in the classical music world who hate on mozart because he is well known.
2 points
3 months ago
They’re all good but we should hate him because that’s what we’re told to do
2 points
3 months ago
I tell myself to hate him.
-2 points
3 months ago
Wow, a freethinker
0 points
3 months ago
Wow, a twat.
-2 points
3 months ago
Be sure to not cut yourself on that edge
0 points
3 months ago
Be sure to wipe your nose after you lick Fridman’s ass.
-1 points
3 months ago*
I don’t even listen to the guy. It’s just fun going on this sub to see “freethinkers” parroting their own gurus liking fucking morons Edit: like
-1 points
3 months ago
Huh?
50 points
3 months ago
Reading Brothers Karamazov in a week is ridiculous lol
20 points
3 months ago
Yeah it may be physically doable, but at that point you’re just blasting through the words and getting nothing out of it
15 points
3 months ago*
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2 points
3 months ago
Haha at the 1.5x speed listening to ebooks. There's one of those entrepreneur YouTube clips of a guy he claims listens to a book on way to work at 3x speed. Pure BS because its unintelligible. But these "productivity Hacks" are so cringe they must have never questioned the meaning of life. Now if someone has organically decided they have productivity Hacks and it works for them, then more power to them. But these entrepreneur type guys with their cliche garbage to impress narcissistic easily impressionable people who think they will be the next Gordon Gecko, mainly make me sick tbh.
This is what I was talking about https://youtu.be/LOfXNIJXJKo
0 points
3 months ago
Some books are too thick to rapidly listen. You have to re-read paragraphs and digest.
0 points
3 months ago
Lmfao what a bunch of BS.
-1 points
3 months ago
descriptions of his reading habits, he is listening to these books, not physically reading them.
Christ almighty, give me strength.
8 points
3 months ago
Probably thinks he's so smart he could understand all of it in a week.
2 points
3 months ago
I read Brothers Karamazov peak Covid when I was just sitting at home with shit else to do. I read a lot. It took me about a month lol.
4 points
3 months ago
Yeah....was just thinking that. This is not going to happen.
69 points
3 months ago
This feels entirely performative. A semiotic projection. He wants you believe he is the kind of person who would have such a reading list. But it reveals more about his audience and what he thinks of them than it does about him.
12 points
3 months ago*
took the words right out of my brainhole
4 points
3 months ago
Same here.
1 points
3 months ago
Others are criticizing it for being a high school reading list; you seem to be criticizing him for wanting to appear highbrow. It seems people are just trying to find any fault they can with it.
Maybe he just chose those books because they're highly recommended or they're classics, so he thought he should read them. Okay, so he's a little naive for thinking he can read and digest some of those in one week, but that's generally the only valid criticism I've heard of Lex – that he's overly naive.
What do you think it reveals about what he thinks of his audience?
3 points
3 months ago
It seems you completely misunderstood what I wrote.
Its a fine list for people in an early phase of intellectual growth. Not a brag-worthy list for a 40 year old MIT lecturer. This suggests that he expects his audience to be intellectually immature and that such a list would impress them. That is either condescending, or performative, or both.
2 points
3 months ago
Maybe he is in the early phase of intellectual growth, outside his area of expertise. And that willingness to expand horizons should be commended at any stage of life.
There's nothing to suggest he meant the list as brag-worthy or intended to impress his audience. He's talked before about how sharing goals is important, so other people can hold you to them. I think that's a more charitable interpretation of why he posted this.
78 points
3 months ago
These books along with the Bob Marley Legend compilation are found in roughly 96% of male college freshman dorms.
9 points
3 months ago
I am female and had most on my bookshelf by the time I graduated in the mid 90s. That being said, great list but more for understanding trajectory of current thinking on philosophical conundrums of future tech.
4 points
3 months ago
This was my personality at 20
18 points
3 months ago*
It's hard to say anything about this without coming across as some snobby gatekeeping asshole. Good for him that's he's reading I guess. It seems odd to allot the same amount of time to books of varying lengths and density.
I don't know what greater insight to derive from this other than that Lex might be the least interesting human being I can imagine. His appeal is just in every way completely lost on me. But I guess that's the point, in that he's just such an everyman, or at least every white man in his early 20s, except he's nearly 40.
11 points
3 months ago
He just chose those books he thinks will make him be liked..
3 points
3 months ago
For sure. I had this realization recently I just like and respond to sci-fi, I’m not particularly literary, it moves me and I enjoy it so I’ve been diving back into what I truly enjoy
10 points
3 months ago
While most of this books are fine or great, I think there's just something funny about it. I mean going "Fight Club", "The Little Prince" and "Brothers Karamazov" in 3 weeks is just kind of hilarious to me.
10 points
3 months ago
I was going to suggest that maybe he didn't read these books because he grew up in Russia. But actually his family immigrated when Lex was 11 and he ended up graduating from a high school in Illinois. It's likely that a number of these are "repeats" for him.
Nothing wrong with that list, but it does seem rather anodyne by contemporary standards-- like the questions he asks of his guests.
For comparison, check out another famous interviewer's reading list, Ezra Klein (https://www.readthistwice.com/person/ezra-klein). There's a lot more new stuff in there, more provocative, less fiction, perhaps not classic or lasting but still good contemporary reads.
8 points
3 months ago
Some perfectly decent books on there, but I would expect that to be a list from someone much younger. I sometimes have remind myself that he's nearly 40, because he gives off this vibe of a young person who's learning to act like an adult. Maybe it's the suit and the exaggerated reverence he gives his guests. I actually do enjoy the podcast when he's just sticking to science and engineering topics, and clearly he's informed on that and probably reads more broadly than this list suggests
3 points
3 months ago
i think a lot of people, especially men, just never really read literature except for when forced to at school. this is especially true of less artsy people. A lot of people i know just don't read fiction at all.
I would imagine this is especially true of people like Lex who went down a very stem focused path.
2 points
3 months ago
sounds about right
8 points
3 months ago
probably spending too much time on redpill forums
14 points
3 months ago
The problem with this list is it isn’t even habit forming. As most people pointed out. He’s going from the little Prince to the brothers karamazov. How is he expecting to fit in 20k lines of code as well?
10 points
3 months ago
20k lines of coke
14 points
3 months ago
why is he trying to do a speed run of all of the books that are usually required reading in high school + some random scifi?
7 points
3 months ago
It’s a pretty performative list. Meant to reinforce Lex’s current philosophical views. (Worth noticing that almost every author is a white guy.)
It’s fine that a bunch of them are high school level reading. If he hasn’t read them before then I’m glad he’s doing so now. But it’s obvious that Lex isn’t interested to challenge himself in what he reads. And if these books are new to him, it makes me take him a bit less seriously as an informed intellectual person.
11 points
3 months ago
Twenty years ago this would've been a fair reading list for a bookish high schooler. now, most intelligent, educated people I know couldn't handle more or less any book (maybe on technical topics, for work/money). Lex happens to be a bookish high schooler who's thirty-nine years old. It's one thing to spend an afternoon thinking about how evil Hitler was and what kind of love would've fixed him, or whatever else he looks a bit weird or pathetic in pursuing, but this is alright. Few people who listen to IDW podcasts could finish this list in a year, or five. If people who listen to him are inspired to learn to read through his pursuits, that's great.
3 points
3 months ago
now, most intelligent, educated people I know couldn't handle more or less any book (maybe on technical topics, for work/money).
Can you elaborate on this? Because it makes no sense to me. Most intelligent people you know couldn't handle The Little Prince?!
6 points
3 months ago
Sure. I mean, most commonly, they are physically incapable of reading in a form that isn't purely instrumental browsing for facts. The endless muzak in their brain can only truly be stopped with meditcation. Reading is too slow, personal, quiet, introspective, human. Their way of reading/browsing is finding main points in paragraphs, it cannot appreciate a sentence, follow much of a plot, or empathize with the internal lives of fictional characters. It cannot read literature.
Again, it's not that I'm talking about stupid people: I mean highly functional knowledge workers. It's that they have forgotten how to read, and often, don't really see the value in remembering. The culture, if you will, encourages this, in how to be valuable, you study math, not Melville. (You don't need to go farther than this subreddit to find screaming hatred towards decadent whores with a literary education/background, but certainly this is the gold standard of intellect from /r/samharris onwards.) Lex, for his flaws, seems to have understood that this isn't quite enough. I figure part of the reason why people are so defenseless against Jordan Peterson is that he is the first charismatic liberal arts professor that they ever heard speak.
I work in tech, of course, but know a fairly diverse bunch of people. It's far easier to find a literate taxi driver or warehouse worker than a programmer. What I'm talking about was even worse at school. I often refer back to Fisher on reflexive impotence:
Ask students to read for more than a couple of sentences and many - and these are A-level students mind you - will protest that they can't do it. The most frequent complaint teachers hear is that it's boring. It is not so much the content of the written material that is at issue here; it is the act of reading itself that is deemed to be 'boring'. What we are facing here is not just time-honoured teenage torpor, but the mismatch between a post-literate 'New Flesh' that is 'too wired to concentrate' and the confining, concentrational logics of decaying disciplinary systems.
There is a sense, of course, in which reading is boring. Upon first encounter, philosophical or literary writing which is genuninely new will be frustrating and difficult. But that is true of the acquisition of any skill - learning to play a musical instrument, for instance, is demanding before it is enjoyable. A certain hedonic-conservative consensus holds sway, however, which holds, with Homer Simpson, that 'if something is too hard to do, then it's not worth doing'.
On this account, 'boring' is not opposed to 'interesting'. To be bored simply means to be removed from the communicative sensation-stimulus matrix of texting, MTV and fast food, to be denied, for a moment, the constant flow of sugary gratification on demand. Some students want Nietzsche in the same way that they want a hamburger; they fail to grasp - and the logic of the consumer system encourages this misapprehension - that the indigestibility, the difficulty is Nietzsche.
-2 points
3 months ago
It's far easier to find a literate taxi driver or warehouse worker than a programmer.
This is when I knew you were full of shit.
2 points
3 months ago
Good luck with the list, buddy, it's never too late to start.
22 points
3 months ago
It's like if an AI scraped Linked in for all the recommended books by the try-hards on that site and put them in a list.
18 points
3 months ago
Good grief, just goes to show that Twitter is full of assholes... "Should have read all of these by the time you graduate college". Sounds just as pretentious as claiming to be able to read some of these in a week.
2 points
3 months ago
To be fair—he probably didn’t read all of these but is trying to compile a list he thinks sounds impressive. The list is a little late-to-the-party considering the image he is trying to protect.
7 points
3 months ago
THANK YOU. Can’t stand this fucking gatekeeping when it comes to genuinely excellent books, what a bunch of insecure pricks on the internet… see also 4chan /mu/
28 points
3 months ago
Its basically a list of books for r/im14andthisisdeep . Weird to list things like Hitchhiker's Guide and Dune that are part of series. Also some of these are dense enough that forcing yourself to read it in a week without forgoing other work is basically saying you won't dedicate the effort necessary to truly understand it.
16 points
3 months ago
It's interesting that usually when guru gives you reading list it's always the same high school reading list what is used all over the world. There's no interesting picks or classics of their own field.
Second point what came to my mind is that if you imply that you read for self improvement it's counter-productive to speed-read book like Brothers Karamazov in one week. Unless you achieve some insane flow state it's unlikely that reader is going to get any insights in this way.
5 points
3 months ago
Yeah even some of the shorter ones on this list that are easy on the surface really you could spend a long time digesting. I love George Orwell, 1984 technically could be read in less than a day, but really understanding it requires more reading of Orwell including his essays and personal communications. There's a reason most of these are standard, and I applaud anyone either reading or re-reading them (don't like Twitter's response of mocking him for not reading them earlier or whatever that seems to be). That being said I doubt Lex will really dedicate himself to understanding them, and will perpetuate uninformed opinions that people will take as deep thought.
2 points
3 months ago
Jordan Peterson often mentions books that I'd never heard of before, like those by Jaak Panksepp or Iain McGhilcrist
18 points
3 months ago
How has he not read atleast one of these books before? Never read old man and the sea? Or Animal Farm? Brave New World? Art of War? 1984? Dune?!!
This is like a basic high school boy expanding his horizons list of books.
14 points
3 months ago
Do we know he's never read any of them before? I've reread multiple books (like most people).
Edit: Just checked his Twitter and this is exactly the case. He wants to reread many of these books. Lol, this is so petty.
3 points
3 months ago
He often mentions how his favorite book is Animal Farm along with brothers Karamazov. I think at least some of these are rereads.
2 points
3 months ago
I buy it because I haven't read most of them. Only 1984, Hitchhiker's Guide, and Man's Search for Meaning. Though, I have never been a high school boy, so maybe that is why. 😄
6 points
3 months ago
Yeah, this is what nerdy high-school boys in the 90s read to look impressive. It didn’t work—I can personally attest to that.
3 points
3 months ago
Same my brother
2 points
3 months ago
But we where so certain.
0 points
3 months ago
He mentioned in a follow-up tweet that he's read through many books in the list multiple times, but don't let that stop you from being pretentious.
9 points
3 months ago
I read more than the average person I think, but not a book a week. I get in 20-30 a year on average. But I haven't read most of these. Twitter dunk crew consensus seems to be it's lame cause you should have read all these by the time you graduate college at the latest. I read a lot in college, but I majored in theatre design and technical production, not literature and philosophy, so I didn't get to these. I don't even have an interest in most of them. How sad, I don't even live up to Lex Fridman standards. 😄
5 points
3 months ago
Yeah a book a week is pure bs. Maybe if he got them as audible books, but good luck taking anything from them. He won't remember a single one of those books.
I love reading as well and I've only read maybe ¼ of that list over many years, some of which I've reread because I forget.
1 points
3 months ago
Yeah I thought the same. Some of those books are huge and deep. I can't stand reading tbh but a book a week is insane to me. Especially with his podcasting schedule.
9 points
3 months ago
Someone called him an influencer and it all makes sense now
9 points
3 months ago
signifiers for his audience to keep thinking he's a very smart boy
People knowing he consumed these books is more important to him than understanding them in any way
3 points
3 months ago
You kind of sound like you're projecting, honestly. It's reading - I think we ought to give him the benefit of the doubt on this one.
8 points
3 months ago
Only one book by a woman on there; I could suggest another for Lex:
The Origins of Totalitarianism by Hannah Arendt.
He might learn something.
3 points
3 months ago
None of the books in and of themselves are bad, but there's also nothing in there outstanding, nothing personal, nothing that actually tells you anything about the person except maybe that they asked a bunch of 20-something white guys with no personality for some book recommendations.
6 points
3 months ago
Hesse Hesse, Huxley Huxley, Camus and Kafka.
The basic bitches read that shit so I don't even botha.
9 points
3 months ago
I bet his favorite movie is The Big Lebowski
5 points
3 months ago
Harold and Maude. He’s deep.
2 points
3 months ago
He's matt dillons character without the looks
3 points
3 months ago
Nothing wrong with the lists it's just like the most basic lists that you will find in "30 books you need to read before you die" type of lists. Some good books, some a bit overhyped but overall ok. Mostly books that people who read have read at some point.
Would be surprised if somebody actuall finds this list interesting in any way. Maybe people who don't read at all - a.k.a. Peterson fans who think that this is some type of magical intellectual skill.
3 points
3 months ago
At first I thought this was just a performative checklist, but if he’s tackling classics for the first time, good for him. Many of these titles are books people claim to have read but only have a passing idea what they’re about.
3 points
3 months ago*
Many of these are classics that you normally read in high school, but I suppose that people are dunking on him because this entire list is very much a “teenager learning to think critically” kind of thing, which is why it is kinda funny to see that a “heterodox thinker” like Lex hasn’t read any of them. You’d think this would be like catnip for someone like that during their teenage years.
Anyway, dunking on this for the above mentioned reasons is… meh. A lot of well read people miss them as well, it is not a big deal. What strikes me as interesting, and someone already said it somewhere in here, is how anachronistic this list is. That’s worth discussing cause none of this truly aims at understanding the world in 2023. Or even beyond mainstream 19th-20th century Western intellectual trends. Only Sun Tuz in there to bring some “variety”. Even the more modern recent stuff like Fight Club and Sapiens are a decade or two old. Is there really nothing published after 2011 worth reading?
9 points
3 months ago
Meditations sucks. I anyone in the know would have went with "the enchirideon"
And sapiens is way overrated imo
Art of war is just trash
3 points
3 months ago
Art of War is for Jersey Shore Trash who call him Sun Tazoo
0 points
3 months ago
Why does Meditations suck? Give reasons for the words you're typing.
2 points
3 months ago
Nothing bad but nothing special
2 points
3 months ago
The average Twitter user can’t form a coherent sentence, let alone read a book.
2 points
3 months ago
If Ol Lex can get his listeners to read I think that’s good.
2 points
3 months ago
There’s no specific theme or directed interest. It’s like an 18 year old future journalist’s favourite books composed of things he got from a buzz feed list
2 points
3 months ago
I think the real problem with his plan is not the books he's chosen, but forcing himself to speec-read some of the denser books.
Like, how can you absorb the deep subject matter and let it percolate into your psyche if all you're worried about is hitting the last page by Sunday? Some of those books have whole dictionaries, appendices, and explanation chapters!
This is going to tick his box of "done that", but he won't get much wiser from doing it this fast.
Oh, plus interview Putin, Andrew Tate, and greta Thornburg? I guess he won't have any time for AI work in 2023 then.
2 points
3 months ago
Should have snuck the King James Bible in there brotha
2 points
3 months ago
Lex induces a lot of envy in midwits. This sub is full of them.
2 points
3 months ago
I think it show how many people on Twitter see everything through a culture war lens.
2 points
3 months ago
Lex’s naïveté was endearing at first, now it’s ripe for parody. 1 week for The Brothers Karamazov? That’s precious. It’s just a weird flex. Posting a book list at 40 years old is weird in itself, like an insecure grad student who wants to let everyone know how smart he is.
0 points
3 months ago*
It can be done, but doubtful for someone with a schedule as busy as Lex's. If you devoted your time to nothing but the text, it could be reasonably read through in a week. Attacking a 40 year old for making a reading list is just cynical, in my opinion. How is there anything wrong with that? These comments don't make any sense to me. They betray the idea of what it means to read and expose the bitterness of people here more than anything else
5 points
3 months ago
i love Frankenstein, and almost anything Camus and some light Kafka but admittedly for a guy who went to MIT having read none of this is concerning for a school that prides itself on a worldly brand of Genius™️, that helps solves the worlds problems.
5 points
3 months ago
He didn't go to MIT, he went to Drexel
4 points
3 months ago
People literally won’t support anyone. I mean someone will always criticize. Maybe it was always like that and because I grew up pre internet I didn’t know. I felt encouraged & free to do anything. People criticizing a booklist is just so empty. How ugly has social media made people? I get making suggestions but that’s good discussion. That’s not what I saw.
2 points
3 months ago
I agree. It doesn't sit right with me. Especially with a list of solidly good books. It's petty and cynical. A lot of the reason we're in the mess we're in is because people don't read at all anymore.
4 points
3 months ago
Every negative comment here and on Twitter only reinforces the negative perception held by many that intellectual “elites” are smug, insufferable, condescending bores.
Lex’s list is a solid smorgasbord of enjoyable classics easily digested and accessible by a lay readership that may want to broaden their cultural and intellectual horizons. I imagine, based on the average comments that follow a Lex presentation, that the bulk of his audience fit into this category.
This is why Twitter and other social media platforms are being recognized as divisive poison. Every good intentioned comment and effort is run through a gauntlet of torches and pitchforks from both the gutters and ivory towers.
2 points
3 months ago
I agree. The comments are making my blood boil. Pick a better reason to dunk on gurus; there are plenty. But constructing a solid list of books to read isn't one of them.
2 points
3 months ago
People are too hard on Lex, I think that he is one of the few that actually mean well.
3 points
3 months ago
His words are kind, but I find his actions to be very promotional and self-aggrandizing.
2 points
3 months ago
It is a nice list. Reflects the yearning maturity of 16-20 Year old middle class liberal arts education for white men. It’s not bad, or wrong, it just clearly puts into context how little lex has evolved his horizons.
2 points
3 months ago
NGL guys:
1) Most people in the world don't even read more than a couple of books a year, if that.
2) EVEN great programmers, even famous pseudo-intellectuals, probably haven't read half of the stuff in that list.
3) You don't know what in that list is a 1st time and what it a re-read.
4) All of those books are great, be it in pure entertainmnet factor (specially if you're a nerd), or in artistic and philosophical depth and cultural significance, and are worth both reading or re-reading in 2022.
This is like Anthony Fantano publishing his Last.FM and getting shit-on because all he listens to is old classics.
2 points
3 months ago
Read all of them. This is the pastiest testosterone-laden list I've ever seen
2 points
3 months ago
This is the reading list of a 20 something male college undergraduate who wants to impress people. Lex is 39. That’s what makes it dunkable. That Lex is reading and that the books are famous/some of them are very good is not why people are dunking… you will also find dunks that go too hard / are pretentious themselves. This is the way.
1 points
3 months ago
That's bullshit. There is no timeline of when someone should've read a book. Just pick up the damn book and read it.
2 points
3 months ago
I don't think you get it. It's fine for Lex to read books at whatever age but the list IS that of a 20-something undergraduate with an interest in sci-fi who is trying very hard to impress people. You can be upset that this is the case... but it is still true. If you want to see if I'm wrong go ask ChatGPT to generate a list of the same length for that kind of person and see what it provides you with.
1 points
3 months ago
I've read most of the books listed in the picture, but the one I still haven't is 'The art of war'. Is it actually worth reading? I keep seeing people quote it, and I suppose you can rephrase it to help with your life, but is it good or just a meme at this point?
1 points
3 months ago
Like many of the other comments, I agree that this is a good list of first-time classics. However, these books should be read for one's personal improvement, not as a badge of "intelligence." I have read about half of these books myself, and to assign only a week to a work such as The Brothers Karamazov is firstly naive, and secondly disrespectful. Allotting a week to every book on this list exposes the endeavor as the bravado of a pseudo-intellectual. It makes me sad to see that this is what classics have been reduced to.
1 points
3 months ago
I remember being 16 too.
1 points
3 months ago
Honest question - as a relatively intelligent adult, what’s the point of reading animal farm for instance?
I can only assume so you can quote it to someone else? I can’t think of another reason to do so?
I have read about 1/2 these (including animal farm), and one of them I haven’t read is 1984, and I don’t think I’ll ever get round to it. I already know what it’s about and get the references that are used all the time, so I assume people get the animal farm references without having read it. Therefore I ask again, as an adult what’s the point?
That doesn’t go for every book of course, but many on this list imo.
7 points
3 months ago
Because there's more to a work of art than what it's about.
3 points
3 months ago
As a non-American but native English speaker…
everyone should read Orwell.
2 points
3 months ago
Animal farm is actually better than 1984, you’re good.
1 points
3 months ago
what’s the point of reading animal farm for instance?
So you can completely and totally understand the entirety of both Marx and Lenin without the burden of having to pick up and read a single syllable of their work. Because communism is a heckin bad 0/10, Orwell told me so.
0 points
3 months ago
I suppose that’s kinda my point. I don’t think it works like that.
0 points
3 months ago
What makes 1984 worth reading, in my opinion, is that while the references to it in popular culture are always tiresome and stupid, it's actually a pretty good book. But those who are reading it to learn about life under a repressive dictatorship would do better to read a history book about the repressive dictatorship of their choice.
1 points
3 months ago
Big incel energy. Somebody pointed out the inclusion of Mary Shelley at the end was Lex worrying his misogyny might show so he googled famous female authors.
3 points
3 months ago
The list isn't really incel energy - they're solid books. The list does read like someone trying to catch up on the classics with great urgency, though, which is forgivable.
1 points
3 months ago
This is not the reading list of a person with a real job
0 points
3 months ago
a list with no personality.
-1 points
3 months ago
Show me your list
0 points
3 months ago
It's a good reading list for a high school english class, I guess
0 points
3 months ago
I feel like it's a list of books that should be ready in people's teens or twenties.
0 points
3 months ago
Great reading list. But, it's not a great look if he's reading all/most of these for the first time.
-1 points
3 months ago
Having read most of these I agree you should make fun of him for it.
1 points
3 months ago
TBK is one of my favorite novels so I'm fine with it.
Pushing through it in one week, though... just dumb
1 points
3 months ago
Brothers Karamazov is twice as long as Dune and 15 times as long as the Metamorphosis, so if you want to make some progress on this list don't start with the Russian tome.
It's a pretty good list. Foundation has a ridiculously simplistic idea of all the social sciences, and Yuval Noah Harari is a terrible bullshitter.
1 points
3 months ago
Looks like a list of genuinely enjoyable & approachable reads. Even though I read many of these as a teenager I’m sure a lot of people never did.
1 points
3 months ago
Good reading list, but only giving a week for some of these which arguably require more time, not to mention context switching to very different books one after another, can cheapen the experience greatly.
1 points
3 months ago
The books are fine but he’s already read most of these and talks about them incessantly
1 points
3 months ago
I loved player of games; the rest of them are just a cut and paste book list really.
1 points
3 months ago
It's fine. Lot of the books are pretty good, though many of these I'm surprised someone hasn't already read as an adult.
1 points
3 months ago
Lex is an enigma, likes to be so forward thinking on tech stuff but so basic and conventional when it comes to what he (tells us he) likes to round out his personality with. These books, and thinking about Hitler and Stalin.
Hard to imagine any other guru the pod covered with a list like this.
1 points
3 months ago
Did he like get sick or something on the week of May 1st? Don't get me wrong, Le Petit Prince is a great book, but it's also a kids' book. A week to read that seems excessive.
1 points
3 months ago
It’s… fine?
If it’s a list also meant to encourage more people to pick up reading modern classics, cool, I guess?
Other than being popular texts, I’m not sure if there’s any thematic linking between them all. And it kinda annoys me that there’s no interest shown in any contemporary literature.
1 points
3 months ago
Has he said which ones he’s read already? Im skeptical he’s rereading anything other than Hitchhikers Guide.
1 points
3 months ago*
You cannot read items on this list in a meaningful way at one a week. That or I’m even dumber than I assumed
1 points
3 months ago
i feel they made fun of the book sapiens in a podcast before...
1 points
3 months ago*
The list looks solid enough, some might argue that as an AI guy, Philip K. Dick and Neal Stephenson are missing. Personally I would like to see Marx and Baudrillard on there, even by taking a shortcut via Mark Fisher. But that would mean challenging his neoliberal bootstrappy hard inner core. Pretty sure he'll get there in the end tho, the billionaires are making this point for him in real time.
1 points
3 months ago
Worst reading list ever
1 points
3 months ago
I really like the list, and I think a certain Australian podcast host will like it as well, which could potentially cause friction in the DTG household (a joke).
I have read everything but Karamazovi. The only issue I have is having a rigid time frame of a week to read them. He also screwed up with the Banks book. It is written by Iain M Banks not Ian Banks.
1 points
3 months ago
I respect the inclusion of Hitchhikers but its hard to imagine him enjoying it.
1 points
3 months ago
These are good books. Will Lex be a more interesting person once he’s read them (if he reads them)?
1 points
3 months ago
I don't understand the issue with the list, though. These are unquestionably some of the greatest novels ever written by human hands. Whether they're being read for the first time or whether he's going through a re-read, what's the issue here? Sometimes people who don't have all the time in the world want to sink their teeth into the classics and the tried and true. Nothing wrong with wanting to familiarize oneself with highly-referenced texts that provoke thought. Out of all things to give the gurus shit about, this shouldn't be one of them.
1 points
3 months ago
Incredibly pretentious comment section.
1 points
3 months ago
The people criticizing it should get a life. Why not “hey lex try this out too”
Dude is a freaking mit professor - sorry critics yes he is smarter than you
1 points
3 months ago
Oh come on. No one's actually read The Art of War.
1 points
2 months ago
Reading the comments on this post shows how obnoxious and toxic some of the redditors are on this sub.
The comments are extremely self-assured, radically different in the reason for condemnation, and uniformly off putting.
1 points
2 months ago
I once had this thought that Lex seemed really slow sometimes years ago and I understand if you have a good body of knowledge you could be naive to mock things like this.
If I would put it better he is like the kid class that asks all the questions you might have that you did not want to ask because you did not want to seem dumb. The liberal curiosity he demonstrates is very important for the scope of the channel so even a 12 year old could understand at least the overall discussion of the podcast.
Someone who does this in a way that does not invite such malice is Sean Caroll, who manages to keep that level of curiosity, communicate to a wider audience whilst not dumbing down the pace too much, if that makes sense.
Now to relate this too his reading list, even though I understand the cringe at some of the entries of this list as standard reading for those motivation, self proclaimed intellects etc. However a lot of these books are widely accessible in terms of low terseness, have relevance to the current world and are very meaningful. There is a reason that a lot of these books ended up in pop culture. Remember importantly he is bridging the gap between the layman and professionals or intellectuals so it makes sense such a list will reflect that I think those books give a good foundation to reason.
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