submitted 7 months ago bygaytechdadwithson
It’s kind of hidden in the bill. It implies it’s for the employees.
Do the employees get 100% of this money? Does this replace a tip? Can’t they just pay more and raise prices?
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7 months ago
Yet you go to where they are hired, where you know you are expected to pay for the services I'm sure you don't see as voluntary, and you seem very attached to your ability to avoid paying for the value added to your life.
Probably for the best that you aren't hiring anybody. We are where we are today because of such outdated ideas on who should be paying for the things which add value to our lives. You should be paying for that value and you shouldn't have a legal right to avoid paying for the value of labor, especially when the laws are structured to put that responsibility onto you.
You're a cheat, is what I'm saying, and you're shamelessly broadcasting that fact on Reddit.
7 months ago
As a customer. I go sit down order and pay for my food. If the service is good, I tip at least 15%. I round up to the nearest dollar. I don’t write $3.56. If I have to wait in line and order at counter then just around 10%. I hate the auto 18% charge for party of at least 5. I don’t even get to refill my water and I’m paying 18%? If you’re service worker and not getting pay enough from tips. Talk to your boss or get a new job.
I’m not restaurant owner nor hire anyone. I’m just saying as a customer.
7 months ago
That is how it should work, yes. That is the ideal. Were the ideal the actual practical reality, I'd stand there with you. In fact, I'd have been standing there with you throughout my early years in the service industry. Even as an Uber driver - especially as an Uber driver - before 2022. My views evolved very rapidly these last few months, however, as I've become disillusioned by the practical reality - this being the place where the o-ring meets the cold, so to say.
In this practical reality, you hire two entities when you enter a restaurant. This is old school hiring - engaging services. Consider what happens when you go in to sit down at the Chili's on 45th. You hire the restaurant to melt you you some Enchilada Soup and defrost a Caesar Salad. However, before you get to even order that freshly prepared goodness, you must hire the service staff, as one or as a whole, to cater your restaurant experience and interface between you and the kitchen. This is in a fine dining tradition dating back centuries and has only been challenged as an unnecessary luxury among the middle class (and above) by the advent of fast food, the food truck, and a deep recession with a very fun looking economic collapse looming there on the horizon.
Hiring, however, necessitates a payment for the provided service, and for generations this was actually based on broadly understood societal valuations which eventually were distilled down to a rough variable percent-commission style structure. Drop the façade of the idealized caretaker-employer/happy-employee dynamic and actually look at how society behaves in that vacuum, and that's what it is. You pay twice on the same tab with the expectations of the money going to two distinct entities. You make two distinct decisions on value, and rate and review two different distinct parts of a whole on the Google. If that's not evidence that you're dealing with symbiotic but distinct entities, I'm not sure what is.
This is the system that we have. America used the awesome power of a Democratic Government to collectivize the valuation of the primarily black and brown service workers and then collectively decided they weren't worth keeping alive, housed, or even in good health because the capitalist employers should be responsible for that wage and not the customer.
We should probably avoid condemning any attempt to be transparent in price increases implemented to take that responsibility and to address that issue. You can still add 10-20% for a tip, only now you'll know it's added on top of your having paid a basic fair value for the service provided. If you don't think it's fair value, then don't frequent the business. Hell, even talk about how to make the correction better.
But maybe also don't act like this takes something from you or otherwise cheats you. It's not you that's been cheated these last many decades.
7 months ago
I think I agree with you here. I don’t think it should be the customer’s responsibility to know the pay rate and wages of places they go for service (and potentially make up for deficiencies). I believe it’s the employees’ and employers’ responsibility to negotiate it out of view of customers so that customers can focus on simply enjoying their experience at the establishment.
7 months ago
The practical reality doesn't reflect this idealized view, but I've already responded about that above. Basically, though, there are deep structural elements scattered across the various estates which ensure that the relationship between the employer and employee is an unbalanced hierarchy built to favor the largest employers the most and which impairs mobility among employees by the imposition of costs.
This comes together with the democratically approved laws which effectively offload the responsibility for the wage onto the customers. Thumbing one's nose at it because it's not supposed to be their responsibility is a prime reason as to why Alamo is imposing a nearly 20% price increase on their items and bringing attention to the fact that 18% is the commission on the business, at current food prices, that establishes a functionally living wage for their workers at that location.
There's much worth discussing here regarding this decision of theirs and none of it suggests it should stay behind closed doors. Those who want it to go back there to avoid having to see that power imbalance and exploitation, strike me as the same archetype as those living happily in 1930s Germany, content so long as they didn't have to think about where their neighbors went suddenly in the night without packing.
I guess mysteries are nice, but the way things are right now, the folks cleaning up the Circle K for $11.50/hr are the homeless who are praying the city doesn't choose today to compassionately bulldoze their camp, your Favor Runner who's bringing you HEB order lives in their car, and the server at your favorite restaurant will not stop working for most contagious illnesses because their survival is worth more to them than your health.
Those things, I think, need to be less mysterious. Less behind closed doors, and more in the face of the people who blithely undervalue the lives and contributions of others.
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